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Miyamoto doesn’t think console power is important

Miyamoto Wii UNintendo’s Shigeru Miyamoto doesn’t think that sheer console power is important. What matters, according to Shiggy, is innovation and a balance of power and cost. This comes as no surprise, given that Nintendo’s original Wii console was much less powerful than its counterparts, yet managed to outsell both of them, by a huge margin. Nintendo is looking to continue this strategy with the Wii U console.

In an interview with IGN, Miyamoto says that it’s possible that the next-gen consoles from Sony and Microsoft might be more powerful than the Wii U, saying “it’s not just about power alone, but how to balance what you’re offering in terms of power with cost”. Miyamoto added, “I’m very happy with the balance that we’ve been able to strike. What’s left is how developers use it”. Miyamoto said that it’s easy to get caught up on how powerful a console is and lose sight of whether a game is fun or not, which is a lot more important to him and Nintendo than power alone.

For what we’ve seen so far, Nintendo is taking the Wii U price very seriously. We previously reported that Nintendo won’t sell the Wii U at a loss, and the Wii U price has been widely speculated on over the past few months. We’ve heard numbers from $200 to $300, and Nintendo is likely to settle somewhere in the middle.

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  • James

    He’s right, I’d rather play something fun but less graphically beautiful.
    All I want is for Nintendo to keep up with next gen so I can have fun playing other good games like GTA, Skyrim etc
    I dont care if it’s not as powerful as ps4 just PLEASE dont get left behind so I have to buy two consoles :-(

    • WiiUPlayWithMe:P

      What, are you saying Nintendo’s first parties aren’t graphically beautiful? A game doesn’t need to be full HD to be graphically beautiful. It helps, but wouldn’t you say Super Mario Galaxy or Skyward Sword were beautiful? A game can be fun and beautiful, even if limited in power. I think that’s something Nintendo proved this gen. Even if not super realistic, it can still be a masterful work of art that’s a blast to play. Though, you shouldn’t have any worries about next gen. Third parties have shown plenty of support already, so once it picks up, we should get all the third party support we need.

    • Wii Uoops!

      I think the Wii U will be priced at $300, considering how the controller is included in it. But it’s great that Nintendo has finally made a graphically powerful console, far better then their previous consoles. Lot’s of people are thinking the Wii U is competing with Xbox 360 and PS 3, when really, it will probably be right up there with the 720 and PS 4. I think the graphics really will be incredible. Plus, how on earth will the 720 and PS 4 be able to pull off 2x4x, or whatever? If they will, then you can slap my mama.

      • PimpHand

        I’ll make sure to keep my pimp hand strong.

      • TheMaddMan

        The only thing that can outclass 1080p is 4K, and that’s still in it’s prototype stage.

        • Something

          There are plenty of resolutions between 1080p and 4K. In fact, 4K isn’t even used for anything other than extremely high resolution video that you can’t actually but at the store since Bluray only goes to 1080p and pictures that you take on your camera since you won’t find anything on the web anywhere near that large (web is streamlined for fast page loads, quality comes second though obviously broadband has increased quality considerably but it’s still not fast enough to support 4K resolution images nor do most people have the monitor to view them natively anyway). There’s a lot of improvements graphically that can be made before you increase the resolution. Improvements that have a MUCH more profound effect on the immersion factor from graphically superior games.

          Lighting can increase the immersion factor a lot. High quality HDR lighting can really boost graphic appeal of a game, unfortunately you won’t see anything like this on current consoles. The video cards simply won’t support it. Even the Zelda demo had pretty basic lighting compared to what is done on PCs nowadays. If they can beef up the video card in the PS4 and next gen XBox, then it would do wonders for improving the graphics in games.

          View Distance and LOD are two more very important aspects of games that could be increased to add a lot of immersion as well. View distance in current console games doesn’t really bother you until you see the game on a PC and you realize just how far you can really see on a system with a decent GPU. LOD adds a lot of realism to the game as well by slightly blurring objects in the distance (the blur gets progressively more noticeable as the distance increases) to make things look more realistic. You obviously can’t read a street sign that’s half a mile away, you shouldn’t be able to in a game either just because the screen is 2D and distance is all based on perspective.

          Increase texture quality and texture sizes are extremely important as well. Unfortunately console games suffer greatly in this regard. While the game may play at 720p or even 1080p so jaggies are less noticeable even without AA, that doesn’t mean that the game’s textures are all 720p or 1080p as well. In fact, most of the time they definitely are not. You can easily see this in games like Skyrim where looking at snow on rocks you see almost no depth to the snow and a great deal of pixelation as well (it looks like blocky white paint on rocks on the PS3 and 360, not a lot better on the PC without mods either). You can see how amazing textures can look even on outdated engines by looking at games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion when they are modded to use a new enhanced texture set. It can turn a game into a work of art pretty quickly.

          Shadows/reflection/weather/realistic water are all extremely important as well. Shadows in particular can cause a huge drain on older systems and on many games this console generation (let’s use Skyrim as an example again) the game would probably actually look better without the ridiculously aliased shadows that just look ugly. Now add some AA and increase the resolution on the shadow filter and voila you’ve got your shadows and lighting making for a much more realistic experience. Reflections in water and surfaces can add an amazing amount of immersion as well. So can weather and water in oceans and lakes that moves realistically with refraction for shallow water and realistic reflection for deeper water.

          There’s quite a few other things that could be added, but the last thing I’ll touch on is sound. Games need higher definition sound than what is currently offered. Most games don’t really take advantage of the 7.1 surround sound offered on the PS3 or even 5.1 for that matter. It adds an amazing amount of immersion to be able to hear things around you as they would appear in the game. Try playing a FPS like Dead Space with 7.1 surround sound and see just how much more realistic the experience becomes.

          Anyway, there’s a LOT more that can be done other than just resolution. For everyone saying that the Wii U is a power house and can do all of these things, well we have yet to see it. It honestly looks like the Wii U will be only marginally more powerful than the PS3 and 360 after one touchscreen controller and likely less powerful if you add two. Time may prove that the Wii U has some untapped potential, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Games will obviously look better over time, but the potential for the PS4 and the next XBox if they release at even $400 without the extra expensive gimmicks that the Wii U will have (gimmicks are not a bad thing, the Wii U game pad is technically a gimmick, please don’t get upset by the proper use of the word) could easily blow the Wii U away graphically. My computer could be created today on a mass assembly for less than $500, and it can run Fallout 3 fully modded which makes current gen games on consoles look horrible in comparison. There’s really no contest. Next gen games could look absolutely amazing and yes, developers can easily make games that look great on it without putting in a ton of money. DirectX/OpenGL does most of the above mentioned features for you with a few extra lines of code and higher quality textures are already being used in many games then decreased considerably in resolution to work with the RAM restrictions of consoles. Next gen consoles should honestly have at least 2 GB of RAM. It’s so cheap nowadays, there’s no excuse.

          Okay, I’m done rambling. Just to be clear, don’t think that console graphics could not be significantly increased short of a huge resolution increase. There’s a lot that can be done to make games look better before resolution ever enters the picture. Even at 720p, games can and do look much better than 1080p games without the bells and whistles.

    • SanPharaoh

      That’s what I’m sayin’. I would have loved to play GTA IV on my Wii. I hope it gets ported over eventually as I’ve never played it and would really like to.

  • Thrasher 1x

    Power does matter a little because the wii sold well but had little 3rd party, i hope the u isn’t the same thing

    • Death

      Have you not seen the games list or are you just trolling?

      • Thrasher 1x

        I mean next gen third party

      • Something

        EA and Take Two have both expressed disinterest in releasing core titles for the Wii U. Activision and Zenimax haven’t said anything on the subject. In fact, the only publishers that have really gotten behind the Wii U so far are Square Enix and Ubisoft. There’s a lot of reason to be skeptical about third party support for the Wii U. It doesn’t look very good right now honestly. Hopefully this is something the Wii U can overcome, but E3 was far from impressive in terms of graphical power and the Wii U. It will obviously improve over time, but I highly doubt it will even come close to the potential of the next PS and XBox. Nintendo is cutting too many corners to make their console affordable with the expensive gamepad gimmick. An extra $100 for a console can make a ridiculous difference in graphical quality. That alone could purchase a GPU that would run games that look 10 or more times better than current console games (very likely more). $20 can purchase an extra gig of RAM. That’s pretty huge when dealing with higher quality textures and large open world games. I can easily see the Wii U losing most third party support within a few years.

        • pach

          I agree with everything you said. Graphics aren’t everything but they sure help.
          Nintendo should have let the price rise a little more for a huge increase in graphics quality. That would have made $ony and m$ sh1t in their pants.
          That would make third parties come back for sure.

    • afa

      when the ps2 xbox and gamecube came out all game companies made game for them, but when ps3 360 and wii came out majority of game companies made game for only ps3 and 360 not wii…YES WII U is a bit more powerful than the ps3 and 360, but the wii u true competitor is the ps4 and 720. if the ps4 and 720 do have better graphics will the wii U be like the first wii where game companies choose to make games for consoles with stronger graphics only?

      • SanPharaoh

        This is the question that a great deal of people have been asking since E3 2011, and the unofficial word stemming from Sony and Microsoft is that they will not be increasing graphical power to a level much higher than their current gaming consoles. Rather, they intend to bring the costs down and will try to compete with the Wii U’s innovative GamePad, while making the new systems easier to develop for.

        There will always be graphic geeks, who want to see visuals beyond real life, but if asked to pay the price for this kind of power most would decline as it would be far too expensive and the games that they would get would probably suck.

        But I’m not worried about it. From what I’ve seen at this years E3. Nintendo is going to be okay regardless of what the competition does.

  • swic11

    I can agree with this to a certain extent. Nintendo is trying to “lure” back the core gamers, doing this will be harder if the console isnt beefed up. I for one am all about gameplay, but people who consider themselves “core gamers” (COD people for some reason) want the top of the line graphics.

    Either way, I am excited to know that Nintendo is taking power/price seriously. I am willing to shovel out $400 for the console after seeing 2011’s Zelda Demo, I will be the guy at my local Walmart standing in line for 36 hours to get one.

  • Fvaco

    Miyamoto is completely right! If someone wants a powerful machine just buy a PC (24X more powerful than X360 according to NVIDIA)…that’s why we see impressive numbers in Nintendo hardware sales :D

    • SuperMonkeyBallforWiiU

      I love the Wii U but like many have said I just hope that next gen we get as much third party support as the PS4 or XBOX 720

  • WiiUPlayWithMe:P

    Really, Nintendo is just the one smart enough to realize that consoles aren’t the powerhouses of gaming. They are made to be the affordable way to game, cause top of the line PCs are expensive, and those blow all consoles out of the water. It makes no sense to market off a console as a powerhouse, cause your powerhouse system is really only second rate, at best. That’s why Nintendo has done well in recent times. They admit it, yes, there is more powerful stuff, but the whole purpose of videogames is fun and we believe we are the most fun, and the most affordable. And this strategy works. I can’t afford a gaming pc, so I’m gonna get the console that looks the most fun to me. Nintendo continues to claim that prize.

  • Nintengoth

    Shiggy is right, power aint enough anymore i dont know why ppl who class themselves “hardcore” want graphic power, can anyone tell me? personally the more games that have amazing visuals the crappy the game and its much easier than old games.
    but seeing that Ninty has alot of power now, more so than current gen they should be able to bring top class visuals with that classic awesomeness of Ninty gameplay.
    WiiU is driving me insane, really, i could cry when i gets it :)

  • Static

    Innovation doesn’t matter when it comes to securing multiplatform titles. Then, power and installation base are all that matter. The Wii had terrible multiplatform support, and while there were superb Wii first and third party exclusives, as well as great previous gen remakes, if you aren’t interested in those things as a gamer, that doesn’t matter.

    Power matters a great deal, and when Ninty execs say it doesn’t, they just sort of sound out of touch.

    • Death

      The wii u is still very powerful, moreso than the current gen consoles.

      Power does matter; but JUST sheer power doesnt matter all that much. Take, for example, if they made the wii u as powerful as it could be…. It would blow everything out of the water. But would it be affordable? No. So no one would buy it as Nintendo never sells at a loss. That’s why sony is losing money. They make their consoles too powerful and it costs a lot of money to make. And since no one will buy an 800$ or more console, they either have to sell it at a loss (Which they won’t do if they don’t wanna go bankrupt) or make it less powerful. That’s why I don’t think the ps4 will be all that more powerful than the wii u because sony can’t afford to sell another console at a loss.

      And if power mattered, why did the wii sell so much? Also, the wii COULD’VE been as powerful as the other consoles, Nintendo just decided to make it affordable and casual. Also, Nintendo never sells at a loss. So to make it affordable, they toned down its power level, as the gamepad costs a lot to make.

      • swic11

        Sony has stated in a recent Interview, that it would only release info on a new console once their can be a significant leap over whats available now.

        • Frankensavior

          Well then I guess they wont be announcing anything, anytime soon. Unless Sony wants to look down the barrel of a bankruptcy. Making another 800+ dollar console for people obsessed with power who are too stupid to just buy a PC. Then again look at the rest of the things Sony executives have uttered lately. They’ve seem to take a habit of talking out of their butts.

          • Yan

            guys you are wrong…ps1 sold 100 mil, ps2 sold more than 150 mil (best selling console to date) and ps3 sold 64 mil… sony is not going to bankrupt… from when sony entered the gaming industry it was always the winner mostly because other companies didnt make good deals with dev and eventually stopped supporting their consoles (look at dreamcast and sega, gamecube and wii)… my fav console is gc and i was very dissapointed with that.

          • Death

            Yan….

            Sony didn’t make enough money off the ps3 as they should have.
            It originally cost 800$ to make, yet sony sold it at 500$, which amounted to NEGATIVE profit in the first 2 years of its life cycle.

  • James Bowserman

    “Miyamoto said that it’s easy to get caught up on how powerful a console is and lose sight of whether a game is fun or not, which is a lot more important to him and Nintendo than power alone.”

    Yes agreed, Xbox and Playstation are only a little bit different from each other, but Nintendo has always stood out.

    Xbox and Playstation have few exclusive titles… think about it… For the most part Xbox and Playstation both have Assassin’s Creed, COD, GTA, and many more games.

    Whether someone is a ‘hardcore’ player or not, it stills doesn’t hide the fact that Nintendo makes amazing exclusive titles.

    Nintendo 4ever!

  • icanseeu

    Love how people on here agree that graphics don’t matter but are obsessed with the WiiU being more powerful then the PS3 OR Xbox 360!!

    • swic11

      Because the Wii U is a system that is being made 7 years after those systems. If its not more powerful then its kind of pointless. Graphics arent everything, but us Nintendo fans have to have something to throw at PS60 fanboys.

    • James

      Graphics do matter to an extent. Gameplay will always come first in my book, graphics are an added bonus.

      But with the Wii U, now we get both! :D

  • 3ds guy

    It dont matter how powerful x or ps is cos there will never be a pikmin,mario,zelda,smash bros,starfox,metrid, do i need to list more.Dint think so

    • SanPharaoh

      Did you see Sony’s blatant rip-off of Smash Bros.? I would be ashamed to be a Sony fan after seeing that.

  • MYCO

    CANT WAIT FOR THE WII U BUY 4 WII U

  • Joseph

    Tell that to the Wii…

  • loko

    burn miyamoto.

    • SanPharaoh

      Trolling is lame…it was cool on facebook, and twitter at some point in 2007, but now…either be real or be quiet.

  • Pretzels

    This all points to the good old classics. No matter how crappy the graphics were everyone thought it was the coolest thing in the world. That’s why I can’t stand those people who won’t buy a game just because the graphics “suck.” That really gets on my nerves because there are awesome games out there that aren’t supported by these HUGE pimped out consoles that cost an arm and a leg.

    • Nintendo Fan Forever

      Exactly!! I hate that crap! My favorite consoles are the snes and gamecube. The snes is a 16-bit graphic game, and most games from that have awesome enough graphics, and great gameplay! Thats what matters in a game, is gameplay, to me. I rate the NES higher than I could rate ps3 or x box 360 in my lifetime! These new game systems cant TOUCH what the 80’s and 90’s had!

  • James Bowserman

    Man, I swear it’s like a bass-ackwards world we live in.

    It seems like all the ‘hardcore’ fans that love the mature games, but hate “kiddie” franchises.

    Usually, actual adults love everything ranging from Mario and Zelda to Gears of War and Batman Arkham Asylum. It’s because we adults over the age of 25 have experienced the classics and know Nintendo is an amazing company… and though I love “hardcore games” such as COD or GoW, I swear it’s 12 year olds playing it mostly.

    A true gamer is unbiased.

    • SanPharaoh

      I second that.

  • LOLPole

    I’m kinda worried for Nintendo ‘next’ gen, I mean if the touch screen on the GamePad ends up being successful, I assume Sony and Microsoft are only going to update their controls to reproduce a newer GamePad-esque controller to go with their their NextBox and PS4 (Which is bound to be more advanced, hardware wise).

    • SanPharaoh

      And they will probably suck…given the success or lack their of concerning the Move/Kinect disasters. Only time will tell, but if history has taught us anything…then it’s Nintendo leads, the others follow.

  • Greg

    I”m sick of hereing the same cliche shit that it’s about the gameplay. Shut up about it. What we want from Nintendo is their good games mixed with good graphics. We want games FINALLY to look like the zelda demo. We are sick of being sold short with shiit graphics. Super mario galaxy was beautiful.. Skyward sword was alright but YOU COULD STILL SEE LIMITATIONS OF IT’S WEAK SYSTEM. I’m not a graphics whore, but it’s about time Nintendo make some sweet graphics. And I think they are this time. So that’s good. It’s becoming cliche to say “oh it’s not about the graphics, it’s about the gameplay”. No shit- but it’s 2012… make good HD graphics or piss a lot of people off.

    • James

      How are you sick of being sold short? You act as if nintendo’s always been doing this. I know you may be tired of the Wii by now, but don’t act like nintendo’s always been using inferior hardware. The Wii was actually ninty’s first weak console. Gamecube, 64, SNES, and so on were at the very least second when it came to graphical power.

      So give ninty a chance. :D

    • Yan

      greg i completely agree with you! nintendo doesnt seem to understand that if it had great graphics along with its original and amazing gameplay it would dominate the market!

    • Greg

      there’s just something crappy about nintendo ever since the 64. they do their own thing, and it costs them 3rd party support. They suck at marketing. I’m just getting more and more pissed off by them.

  • Jerm1234

    I just cant wait to see these upcoming games this summer! Lots of creativity and originality, Nintendo does it!

  • Pops_Waka Waka

    This is the type of thinking of a real gamer im 15 and I know this im not your average teen age graphic wore but it dosent hert. This is why Nintendo is top of the industry most people wouldn’t understand and let those people play weak 1st party games from Microsoft and Sony then look stupid when they say God of War is better then Zelda games even though God of war has none to little gameplay change and the Zelda series has inovative ways to play every time. The Wii U is going to be a hit this and next gen. just like the NES its going to be new freash and a house hold core/casuale console.

    now instead of R.O.B we need N.S.A.F to come with the Wii U and a poster!!!!!

  • nathant16

    I was checking out my friends ps vita, its all he cares about now. the graphics look as good almost as current consoles. Im thinking about getting one. So what can a wii u give me that I cant get from a psvita handheld? And it has both core and fun kiddie games.

    • SanPharaoh

      You would be better to compare the PSVita to the Nintendo 3DS, or Neo Geo’s new handheld system as opposed to the Wii U, which has yet to be released and will be a home gaming console and not a handheld device.

      Does that help you out at all?

  • AndyC

    I thin power is important. But only if it’s used. There isn’t much point in a powerhouse gaming PC for me when I’ve got a cheap mid-range gaming PC that will play the same games, but with minor graphical changes.

    With consoles it’s the same, the Wii U sounds like it’s using the power it does to do something unique.

    With the looks of the leaked Nextbox, Microsoft will be doing something with AR glasses and Kinect 2, which is unique. It’s going to be something for Nintendo to consider for the future with maybe as an add on. However if the specs for Wii U can’t handle it as well as the Nextbox because it’s missing an extra CPU core here and there, there could be a problem. We’ll see

  • Yan

    the wii u wont be able to compete with ps4 and xbox cause the u if you take out the new gamepad, is practically an enhanched ps3! I am saying this from personal experience as a gamer from the 90s. dreamcast, saturn, gamecube,n64 etc all failed… the companies either stopped supporting their consoles or didnt make good deals withs dev and there were no good games after a point! they started out well but in the end everybody bought a ps… and miyamoto is wrong, of course graphical power IS importand, its unacceptable not to have at least hd graphs(wii), and people will buy an expensive console why? cause they dont mind give 500-700$ for something that they will keep for at least 8 years… anyway i hope wii u does well (i am getting one as a fun of zelda games) and keep up with next gen consoles.

  • Dan

    If u guys want 3rd party support in nintendo, just buy if sony or ms has it,,, like me wii/60

    New consoles from sony and microsoft wont look much different from wii u until 2015

  • Slipsevenfold

    Graphics don’t make a game good! Good gameplay makes a game good!!!

  • SavingUpForTheWiiU

    The only thing I care about in Graphics is if a persons body doesn’t look like a square, a hunchback doesn’t look like a cone, a face isn’t a circle… but unique and not even a shape really, trees don’t look like rectangles and hair and feet don’t look like tiny rectangles.