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Nintendo defends the rapid development of new Mario titles

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Since the release of Super Mario Galaxy in 2007, Nintendo has greatly propelled the development of Mario platformers, both 2D and 3D.

Super Mario 3D World will mark the third Mario platformer for Wii U in just over a year, counting New Super Luigi U. While consistent development is certainly appreciated, gamers are beginning to feel that Mario himself  shouldn’t be garnering quite so much attention.

Nintendo of America Sr. Director of Corporate Communications Charlie Scibetta responded to these notions in a recent interview with Shacknews.

We think we’re putting out the right number of Mario games based on what fans are asking for, based on what our own developers’ creative visions are. The key to that is as long as there’s innovation occurring within the gameplay, as long as there’s new features, then marrying the characters and the IPs that people love is the right call from our standpoint.

Nintendo wouldn’t be the same without Mario, but gamers continue to demand new IPs replete with new characters and themes. On this note, Scibetta added:

You could call all the games that we’re making here new IP in the sense that they’re new gameplay experiences. They just happen to also have the IP that people associate with.

In other words, Nintendo chooses to apply many of its platforming dynamics to their platforming IP, Mario. If they developed a new IP within the same genre, then we would all be asking, “Why didn’t they just use Mario?”

Scibetta acknowledges that for a new IP to be justified it needs to be within the realm of a new genre with gameplay themes and mechanics unseen in existing IPs. For platforming, we have Mario and Donkey Kong; for adventure and puzzle, there’s Zelda; and for strategy,we have Pikmin and Fire Emblem.

There are many more, besides; but until Nintendo’s developers are inspired to develop software with gameplay mechanics unaligned with their current range of characters, the only point in creating a new IP would be to say that they created a new IP. In short,  it wouldn’t be the greatest selling point, and it certainly wouldn’t be very ‘Nintendo’.

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  • Linskarmo

    I like Mario. As long as some new things are brought to the table more games with him are fine by me.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      Yeah! And NSMBU brought great innovation to the new console, as did Luigi U. Its amazing how innovative Nintendo have been with the Wii U. Look at DKC Freeze, how innovative it is for DKCReturns and DKCReturns3D. And soon we will get AngryBirds, that jusr screams innovation.

      • iceazeama

        sarcastic to the fullest.

      • Elem187

        I’m glad you are recognizing the innovation in new gameplay mechanics instead of championing your rehashes of Call of Duty and AssCreed.

        btw Nintendo has no say in what Rovio is releasing, so I don’t see how Angry Bird is relevant to what Nintendo publishes.. but hey if helps you make a bigger, stronger strawman to beat up, more power to you.

        • 1239474899

          Call of duty has had more inovation in the last 3 tittles than mario has in the last decade, ur mind must not be functioning

          • willweinert

            Mario Galaxy, enough said.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            The Galaxy series I’d say is their best Mario games since Mario 64.

          • oontz

            It’s a pity we didn’t get a new mario in the likes of 64 or galaxy or even sunshine. :(

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Sunshine didn’t feel like a genuine Mario game to me. It just felt too out of place. It wasn’t a bad game, but it didn’t live up to being the true Mario 64 successor. I wouldn’t mind seeing another game like it if they made some changes.

          • willweinert

            The galaxy games are my favorite EVER! If you look at every quality that makes games great, either one or both games has each quality. They will truly be hard to live up to.

          • HokutoshinRei

            Galaxy 2 is. The original Galaxy… not so much.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            First one was good, don’t know what you were smoking. To each their own I guess?

          • HokutoshinRei

            I never said it wasn’t good, it’s just not great and not nearly as good as the second.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I beg to differ. Both were good in their own right nonetheless.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Call of Duty? You mean that copy/paste game with the same half -assed rehashed crap that all people care about is the multi-player and never touch the single player campaign? If I wanted to play non-stop mulitplayer, I’d just stick to Call of Duty 4, their last decent title.

            Your mind must not be functioning if you think you’re getting that much innovation from the same game since part 4.

            It’s fine to call some Nintendo games rehashes, but then again, so is CoD. Move along and play your dudebro games drone.

          • AlCaPwn

            Please, go troll elsewhere. Even the most diehardy CoD fanboy to ever live knows that CoD is the least innovative game, although it was innovative a very long time ago…

          • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

            owh really? What’s the new innovation? In the first game you could get an uzi, second game an ak47 and sniper, third game a minigun and rocket launcher?

            Reality check, 1996 Golden Eye had the same and albeit (sarcasm) 20 years older then CoD Golden eye had more innovation, plus beats most of the recent shooters in multiplayer mayhem AND fun. Even now it is still considered as one of the best shooters ever created, and that is a fact.

          • oontz

            have you played n64 golden eye recently? It SUCKS!!! Sure it was innovative at the time but come on it doesn’t compare to any modern shooters.

          • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

            Actually yes, I did yesterday evening with friends, good old fun times relived, graphically it’s bad these days yes, but the fun remains even now.

            you are right though it doesn’t compare to modern shooters, well it does as much as CoD compares to Mario games, but looks like you missed the sarcasm tag as well, I might just as easily leave it out next time.

          • greengecko007

            It’s really annoying how you people crap on CoD for doing exactly what you praise Nintendo for doing.

            Over the years as a franchise, Activision has added new multiplayer and co-op modes with every game. Each game has a new and different story and campaigns that react to the choices you make in game. Each game has different mechanics, online metagames, maps, and tons more. But still you insist that each game is the same.

            But when Mario comes along and the only difference is a power up, transparent pipes, and multiplayer, it is somehow innovative?

          • Mario

            Yes!

          • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

            personally I have nothing against cod I never said I did nor will I ever say it, but each time when a new Zelda or Mario comes you guys always make references to CoD how is that any different then Mario or Zelda? Mario Galaxy, Mario 64, New Super Mario Bros all have similair story, I agree on that (except galaxy which is totally different I think as I never played it), but each game has different gameplay architecture, Zelda only has often the same end boss, yet the game takes place in different times (milenia later or earlier), alternate universes and even different stories but always good vs evil as in ANY GAME. CoD has different story, new modes but exactly the same gameplay as the one before.

            Zelda almost always contains a guy in green, a blonde girl, a evil gerudo and the triforce, yet every game has completely different dungeons and puzzles, even the world looks different or is a lot more expanded then the game before adding new lands races and abilities next to the similair abilities.

            That is what you guys loathe on Mario and Zelda, yet you love it on CoD as example, how is THAT any different from what we do we say the same as you on different games, when you ditch our games we try to explain why you are wrong, when we ditch your game you say we are wrong because it is different but you do not seem to convincingly TRY to explain why it is different unlike Zelda and Mario perhaps you should play 3 Zelda games, try Ocarina of Time, Twillight Princess and Skyward Sword, you’ll learn it’s a whole different story, just like I have played pretty much all CoD games but traded them in as I cba to play online against others, who in my experience cheat more then gold sellers in world of warcraft in other words it’s okay for you to ditch Mario and Zelda, but if we ditch CoD or any other shooter we are wrong? What is the difference?

            Also from my perspective in person, I DON’T like 3D Mario games.

            But enough there is no way we can accept eachothers differences if we keep defending what we like I’m so tired of that shit. Play the game you like just like I play the games I like as any other person plays the games he or she likes. I’m done with this endless discussion and won’t waste any time in it anymore.

          • greengecko007

            “But enough there is no way we can accept eachothers differences if we keep defending what we like I’m so tired of that shit. Play the game you like just like I play the games I like as any other person plays the games he or she likes. I’m done with this endless discussion and won’t waste any time in it anymore.”

            This is really all your reply needed. If the entire world did this, not just the video game community, but music fanatics, sports fans, everbody. If everybody could just enjoy the genres they personally like without crapping over genres of equal quality just because they don’t like said genre, the world would be a much better place.

          • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

            Atleast we agree on one thing, that’s a pro :)

          • The True Gamer

            Hey, Im angry at Nintendo’s lack of innovation, but Call of Duty? That’s almost more of a cash grab than Mario games.

        • oontz

          So the ONLY games available on PS3 are COD and AC? As for inovation… can you point me to these gamepad inovations? Which wiiu games (Other than Zombie U) use the screen in an innovative way? All I ever see is the screen used for off tv play, (remote play has been around for a long time) or the screen is used for the players HUD/Maps. Nintendo tried to emulate the success of the DS on a system in our living room but so far only one game (zombie u) has shown me this TRUE inovation.

          • fireheartis1

            Resident Evil: Revelations, Lego City Undercover, Batman Arcahm City: Armored Edition, Monster Hunter 3: Ultimate, Nintendo Land,(these games aren’t out yet but will take full advantage) Deus Ex Human Revolution: Director’s Cut, Splinter Cell: Black List, and Watch Dogs. There are more I just didn’t feel like wasting my time to show them all to you.

      • Luca Invernizzi

        Well, the second screen for NSMBU is kind of an innovation. You can think that is not that much, but it’s still something new.

        It would probably be the same with donkey kong. No one played the game yet, so judging it is… well, I don’t want to be mean, but it’s stupid.

        This leave your sarcastic argument with just Luigi U. Good job, you are really good at this.

        • Fred

          I love the challenge mode that was innovation worthwhile to me

        • Jeffery02

          And Luigi U wasn’t meant to be innovation. It was supposed to be reworked levels, different physics, and increased difficulty. That’s why Nintendo released it as DLC and NOT a full game unlike what CoD or EA would have done.

          • 1239474899

            They did release it as a full game…….FAIL

          • Jeffery02

            They consider the disk based one as a way to play the dlc independently. They don’t advertise or price it as a full game, so nice try.

          • Potemkin

            It’s still a full game released on a separate disc.

          • Jeffery02

            Let me put it this way, the differences in some of the Call of Duties or sports games are less than New Super Luigi U and yet THOSE are released as new games when they could ALSO be launched as a large dlc cheaper than a full game. Yet you are forced to buy the disc at $60. What’s New Super Luigi U? $20 if you already own NSMBU or $30 if you want an independent disc copy.

          • greengecko007

            Right, because new maps, game modes, and stories are totally less different than playing through remixed levels and fighting the same bosses in Super Luigi U…

          • Jeffery02

            I’m sorry, but the Modern Warfare games are virtually identical. I didn’t say all of CoD, only some. I was mainly talking about the sports games though.

          • greengecko007

            What do you expect from games that are direct sequels? The games released 2 years apart each, which I think is plenty of spacing between obviously similar titles. Mario does the same thing. Mario Galaxy, then a few years later you get Mario Galaxy 2. Both are great games, just like MW1-3 are great games.

            As far as sports games go, they aren’t nearly as open ended as other game genres for obvious reasons. You can make party sports games like Nintendo has for a more creative spin, but for people wanting a realistic sports game, there isn’t much you can update between releases besides improving physics engines, adding players, challenges and obviously enhancing the graphics.

          • Jeffery02

            I suppose this is true. At least Mario Galaxy 2 had different level designs rather than just different levels as well as new power-ups, but I suppose in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter. Still though, you could almost consider New Super Luigi U a sequel and yet it’s half the price of a full game or one-third of the price if you download it as DLC. I still think that MW2 and MW3 could have been downloaded as add-on content for the the previous game in the series in a similar way. So I’ll still stand by that.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I think it’s dumb that it’s 10 bucks more. Really should be the same price. I don’t think a game box amounts to 10 bucks.

          • Jeffery02

            You also have to remember that New Super Luigi U only works by piggy backing the data from another full game. That extra $10 is for the case, the disc, the ability to play on any Wii U, and the extra data required to play without the NSMBU disc. You can say that you are paying for more independence.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I’m all for independence, but I still stand by what I said.

          • Jeffery02

            I personally think that it would be dumb for them to be the same price. If you don’t agree, then we’ll agree to disagree. I still think the ability to let someone borrow New Super Luigi U is justification enough.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I will continue to, true. It’s all good.

          • mikel334u2

            They’re trying to vamp up their digital market, and I think it’s very much worth it to pick up the digital version.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            In this case, it would make more sense if you wanna save 10 bucks.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Thats true. The second screen opens up for another audience, namely people with fuctional disorders. They can much easier control gaming by pushing the screen. I think its very nice of Nintendo to include you guys that way. Actually they should put this in next commercial. A drooling kid in a wheelchair hits the pad with the stylus in spastic movements while screaming “-Maaaaaariooooouuuu”. Then you see the logo of Wii U and the text -gaming the way a disabled would do it-.

          -Thats true innovation.

          • Luca Invernizzi

            Lol, so your point is “Hey, I’m absolutly wrong in my position, so I’m just gonna start telling everyone thet they are retarded”.

            Man, this is the internet… if you wonna be a troll, you should at least put some efford into it…

          • Magnus Eriksson

            No, im not saying that. :)

          • Seth

            I wish you knew how ignorant and absolutely wrong it was to say that. I don’t care if you are buying the Xbox One or the PS4, or if you hate Nintendo, but it was absolutely crossing every line ever drawn to say things like that about people with physical or mental disabilities. That is the most horrible thing you could ever say about anything ever. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself, as I and every other Nintendo fan on this site are completely disgusted with everything you just said.

      • Sidney Majurie

        How did I know you’d be in here with your generic sarcasm. Perhaps you need to play more Mario because you’re one angry, sad gamer Mario’s whimsical nature might cheer you up.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          No, what I need is my very own cat suit.

    • http://waluigi.com/ Waluigi

      A game with me as the final boss

      • iceazeama

        yeah then i can finally kill you!!!!!

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Well, that would be a better twist with Bowser as the boss.

        • Christopher Coonan

          It should be Bowser, but you defeat him only to find out that that was the first part; it was really Waluigi in disguise.

        • Your money

          Agreed.

    • Christopher Coonan

      So, NOT another NSMB?

  • Shota

    1 point wrong. new IP in the sense that they’re new gameplay experiences. IP stands for a totally new title. Nsmb is what she ment and sm3dw. sm3d was for 3ds, so same IP. NSMB Has been since ds and is not a new IP

    • oontz

      yes just like Apple… putting the word NEW in front of it doesn’t make it a new IP. At the end of the day it’s still Super Mario Bros. Regardless of what catch phrase or word you tack onto the front of it!

  • iceazeama

    it prints them money.

    • Elem187

      Trolls like Magnus think Nintendo should do things that lose money, like release a bunch of unheard of games that wont sell… because not very many people buying your games is “fresh”

      • Clel

        Magnus isn’t a troll–he’s an actor.

        • greengecko007

          If someone is intentionally trying to upset people with inflammatory comments that even they don’t believe to be true, then they ARE trolling. That’s the whole point…

          But it seems everyone on Wii U daily thinks that a troll is anybody who doesn’t agree with them. Welcome to the internet kids.

      • howling_wolf1334:[

        Magnus is very sarcastic, u should know that…

  • Tyranno

    “Nintendo wouldn’t be the same without Mario, but gamers continue to
    demand new IPs replete with new characters and themes. On this note,
    Scibatta added:

    You could call all the games that we’re making here new
    IP in the sense that they’re new gameplay experiences. They just happen
    to also have the IP that people associate with.”

    This is one of the main reason’s why Nintendo is being left in the dust to MS and Sony.

    • QuizmasterBos

      You’re joking, right? Fact is that Microsoft has been doing pretty bad as of late and Sony has only more recently started to actually make money. Nintendo has been doing fantastic since their gaming debut in 1981. The first 15 best selling games of all time are published (and created) by Nintendo.

      Can you tell me how Nintendo is “being left in the dust”?

      • bizzy gie

        Not to mention that they’ve done all that with much less 3rd party support and weaker hardware (in recent years only of course).

      • Elem187

        He can’t explain it… What he means is SOny and Microsoft are making dudebro games and Nintendo isn’t bothering competing, so thats leaving Nintendo in the dust.. Yup, dudebro games is leaving Nintendo in the dust.

        • Fred

          What are dudebro games?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Sounds quite childish if you ask me.

          • oontz

            I was wondering the sae thing???

        • QuizmasterBos

          Actually, Sony and Microsoft don’t have actual gaming divisions the way Nintendo has. Sony and Microsoft just have studios working for them, like Naughty Dog and Rare.

          Also, with dudebro games I assume you mean stuff like EA sports and Call of Duty. Well, I can tell you that these games aren’t created by Sony OR Microsoft OR any of their gaming divisions. In fact, they aren’t even exclusive. Other than EA sports, a lot of these games are also ported to Nintendo’s system, like Call Of Duty: Black Ops 2.

          I DO agree that Microsoft (Sony not so much really) has a lot of shooters, which I assume can be called dudebro games.

          Still, I’m sorry to say that your argument isn’t holding up. Nintendo has no need to compete, they want fun games and those just so happen to sell a lot of copies, check the chart I linked in another reply just a bit further down:
          http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/

          Call of Duty doesn’t appear until number 27, so I don’t think Nintendo needs to start “getting into the “dudebro” race”.

          EDIT: Or were you speaking in a sarcastic tone?

          • oontz

            Ummm, Sony has 13 First party studios that they OWN. That only make content for Sony systems; such as arguably the best of the bunch Naughty Dog. Not to mention Sony Computer Entertainment (a gaming division by definition) that has created or published…

            Alundra
            Ape Escape
            Arc the Lad
            ATV Offroad Fury
            Buzz!
            Colony Wars
            Cool Boarders
            Dark Cloud
            Demon’s Souls
            Dead Nation
            Destruction DerbyDrakan
            Echochrome
            Everquest
            The Eye of Judgment
            Everybody’s Golf
            EyePet
            EyeToy
            Fat Princess
            Folklore
            Free Realms
            GenjiThe Getaway
            Gran Turismo
            God of War
            G-Police
            Gravity Rush
            Heavenly Sword
            Heavy Rain
            Ico
            Infamous
            Invizimals
            Jak and DaxterJeanne d’Arc
            Jet Moto
            Journey
            Jumping Flash!
            Killzone
            The Last Guardian
            The Last of Us
            The Legend of Dragoon
            Legend of Legaia
            Lemmings[34]
            LittleBigPlanetLocoRoco
            MAG
            The Mark of Kri
            MediEvil
            MLB: The Show
            ModNation Racers
            Motor Toon Grand Prix
            MotorStorm
            Okage: Shadow King
            The Order: 1886
            PaRappa the Rapper
            Patapon
            PixelJunkPlanetSide
            PlayStation All-Stars
            PoPoLoCrois
            Primal
            Pursuit Force
            Q*bert
            Ratchet & Clank
            Resistance
            Rogue Galaxy
            Shadow of the Colossus
            SingStarSiren
            Sly Cooper
            SOCOM
            Soul Sacrifice
            Sports Champions
            Starhawk
            Super Stardust
            Syphon Filter
            This Is Football
            Toro
            Twisted MetalUncharted
            Untold Legends
            Vanguard
            Vib-Ribbon
            Warhawk
            Warrior’s Lair
            White Knight Chronicles
            Wild Arms
            Wipeout
            Wonderbook
            Xtreme

            But in your uneducated point of view “Sony and Microsoft don’t have actual gaming divisions the way Nintendo has”

            Yeah… no.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Uneducated? Let me explain what I meant.
            Sony Computer Entertainment is Sony’s gaming division. They do NOT create any games, they only publish them and create the hardware. Nintendo on the other hand, creates both hardware AND software.

            Software studios that are owned by Sony aren’t Sony itself, Sony just owns them. Naughty Dog and other studios could be bought up by Nintendo or Microsoft. Remember Rareware? Same thing happened.

            Sony only owns a bunch of studios, Nintendo makes them themselves. This means that as long as the name Nintendo exists, we’ll have Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Warioware and others. Take away all studios owned by Sony and they’ll have nothing. THAT’S what I meant. I wasn’t wrong in anything.

          • oontz

            and your answer points out the MAIN PROBLEM with Nintendo right now. They can’t do it all on their own. They should be buying up studios as well so the studios can make exclusive content for the wiiu. But no, they are to blind to the issue. Many studios out there are more than capable of working on Nintendo IPs as its been proved in the past. There wouldn’t be a problem with a lack of games if Nintendo OWNED more first party studios. It’s not like they don’t have the capital.

          • QuizmasterBos

            I thought my answer pointed out that Sony and Microsoft can’t do it on their own? I mean, Nintendo will always have their well-known IPs, whilst the others exist through other studios.

            Now, I don’t exactly know why Nintendo is not pursuing other studios, but Nintendo seems to do this not to grow too powerful. Nintendo always seems to be holding back, we know they can do so much more, why aren’t they doing it? Maybe Nintendo just wants to give others a chance. It may sound odd, but I remember one time reading a story that Nintendo had a successor planned for the Game Boy Advance, but then trashed it because it was “too good”. It would’ve put so much pressure on Nintendo’s following generation of handhelds that they would never be able to get that kind of success again.

            And think about this E3, everybody says they could’ve done better, we knew Nintendo was in the position to easily take the lead and sell many consoles and games, but I repeatedly felt they were pulling punches. That’s mostly speculation on my part though.

          • The True Gamer

            Sony and Microsoft have third parties, and exclusive games. Nintendo has only their few games they release a generation

          • The True Gamer

            Some people play shooter games too much, but the fact that you hate all shooter games shows you are either a young child or a fanboy who hasn’t played them very often. And where are these shooter games from Microsoft? All their is is Halo. Gears of War is owned by Epic Games, not Microsoft. Microsoft has geometry wars, Forza, and other series that are not these shooters. You are obvious getting your information from stereotypical information that people get when not actually playing the games..

          • QuizmasterBos

            Please read my comment more carefully, I never once said I hated all shooters, I was assuming elem187 was not speaking sarcastically and meant that Nintendo should go for ‘dudebro’ games which almost always points to the people who like games like Call of Duty and EA sports. I didn’t voice my opinion towards those games.

            Also, I specifically stated that Microsoft does not make or own most of the shooters that come out for the system, but you can’t disagree when I say that Microsoft has a lot of shooter titles, more so than any other company. I didn’t say they ONLY had shooters.

            So, in short, I didn’t state my opinion towards certain games, I just assumed a general statement.

          • The True Gamer

            Do your research. Microsofts only shooter is Halo, and in fact, it has a great story and multiplayer. There is n other shooter that Microsoft makes. Gears is owned by Epic Games.

          • QuizmasterBos

            I typed this in my last comment:
            [i]Also, I specifically stated that Microsoft does not make or own most of the shooters that come out for the system.[/i]

            Almost everyone I know that owns a Xbox 360 (and I know plenty, in case you start questioning that) has multiple shooters for the system, but people who own the other systems don’t have nearly as many. Xbox just (seems) to have more shooters than the rest.

            So again, I never said Microsoft makes all of them!

          • The True Gamer

            If I was wrong with my argument, I am sorry, but shooters are not bad games. There may be a sever lack of innovation in nearly all shooters, games that differ from the patterns set by COD like Halo and Battlefield have made good names for themselves as opposed to COD, which is a plague against gaming.

          • QuizmasterBos

            I’m not saying they are bad either, almost all of them are good, but as you say, not innovative. Their existence isn’t stopping me from playing my games, so I don’t mind them too much.

            I am however rather annoyed at the fact that Activision treats their Call of Duty franchise like a cashcow, I feel bad for the people that buy each game, expecting something new and you get basically a 60$ map pack. Again, not my cup of tea, but I wish Activision would put more work into each game.

          • The True Gamer

            Call of Duty has $20 map packs with four maps, just to waste gamers money. Black Ops 2 was just…terrible. Terrible multiplayer and zombies, and $60 for it. Even when COD tries to go to a next generation of games, the new call of duty looks like crap. I can’t believe that their are people that play that all year. Sure, the older CODs were pretty good, but Blops 2, terrible.

      • Fred

        That’s really cool. Which games are those? I’m curious

        • QuizmasterBos

          Here’s the list:
          http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/
          Wii Sports sold the most. Super Mario Bros. is second, but sold less than half the amount of copies. Still a very impressive feat though.

          • oontz

            Considering that wii sports was a pack in title to a system that even old age homes bought for physical therapy It shouldn’t be included on the list.

          • QuizmasterBos

            I just KNEW someone would say that. It still sold, didn’t it? Plus, it sold over double the amount of the second game: Super Mario Bros. Are you saying that more than half of the sold Wii Sports games don’t count?

            And even IF you don’t count that (or SMB with the same logic) Mario Kart Wii sold 33 million copies. Nintendo still would dominate the list, so what are you trying to prove?

          • oontz

            Not trying to prove anything. Just pointing out that console pack in titles should not be included on the list of all time game SALES and no it didn’t still sell because IT CAME with the system, lol. It’s not like everyone bought a wii then also while checking out bought wii sports it was in the box. Many people buy systems, just for the system regardless of the game that comes with it. I haven’t even tried Nintendo land yet but I bought the deluxe cause it was black, bigger storage and had the charging stand.

      • Tyranno

        MS has actually been doing pretty good “as of late” opposed to when they had the DRM bull. Sony did start making money, tons of it xD Ehhh, I would say Nintendo’s golden years was everything up to the Gamecube, and partially Wii and 3DS.
        I only said “left in the dust” as of the next gen., they are being left in the dust this generation, you cannot say they aren’t.

        • QuizmasterBos

          I would’ve agreed with you last generation, but I certainly don’t believe they are this generation. I just think Nintendo is slacking off game-wise, they aren’t exactly releasing what we want. I mean, we get a Mario, but it’s basically SMB. We get Zelda, but it’s a remake with barely any added features, we get Smash Bros. but it’s an announcement and we have to wait until next year to play it (though we were expecting that one). Nintendo is mostly telling us about the good stuff that’s GOING to come, not the good stuff that’s coming right NOW.

          Microsoft is a company that is not to be trusted, after people buy their console, they’ll slowly start pulling tricks on it, I just feel it in my bones. Sony seems to be doing a pretty good run, but it’s all still guessing.

          The Wii U is certainly not too weak this gen, look at Mario Kart 8. Looks beautiful and runs in 60 FPS. A lot of games (if not all) coming out for PS4 still run in 30. Let’s not make assumptions on who’s winning or not (except Microsoft, because they really screwed up and the damage has been done) until about 3 years pass.

          • Tyranno

            You also gotta think about when the Wii U came out like what, 2 years ago, up until now, literally right now, they have been slacking. They only decide to do something about this year is because Sony and MS.

            I agree with you there.

            I still feel it is, I mean yeah 60fps, cool, but it’s for cartoony games. Mario Kart 8 did look nice, but it still isn’t enough to me to go out and buy the game, I mean I only really have fun with Mario Kart o the DS and I only got Mario Kart 7 because I lost my original Mario Kart for the very first DS when it came out with it. (Sadness…) MS did screw up, but of course they are still the die-hard fans that bow to MS feet because of them getting rid of the DRM and other idiotic reasons. I personally believe Sony would have had E3 locked tight if they didn’t mention having to pay to play online like the X-box.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Wii U came out in november/december last year. That makes it only 7 months old. I think that changes a lot about your whole ‘slacking’ comment; the system isn’t out that long yet.

            Why are cartoony games worse than graphics that look realistic? Just the fact that it has colors, doesn’t make it a game for babies. I bet you anything Mario Kart is going to be another case of easy to play, hard to master. To me, the game looks incredibly fun to play just from the trailer alone(even though there’s probably still that blue shell).

            If Sony wouldn’t have mentioned the ‘paying to play online’ feature, then they would’ve been misleading. And if you fail to mention some bad effects in this day and age, you can bet that you’ll receive a lot of flak for it. I’m glad they just told us everything* up front.

            *May not be everything

          • Tyranno

            Changes it mildly, but the fact there are still no good “must buy” games for the Wii U (except for SSB and Monolith X which have just been announced recently.) I still feel like it’s sluggish.

            I never said cartoony graphic are bad, I myself just prefer realistic looking games that I can immerse myself in. I still enjoy cartoony type games, I love SSB and enjoy playing Zelda, but I would like the option to play games that aren’t cartoony. The PS4 has Knack which looks cartoony and Killzone which looks realistic. Mario Kart might be that game, but if you mastered one Mario Kart, you mastered them all (IMO).

            Uhmm….I meant that if there was no pay to play in the first place, they would have locked E3 >_>…

            *Internet*

          • QuizmasterBos

            Aah, finally we get to an understanding. I agree with your comment about there still being no big must-buys, though I can assure you Mario Kart will be one.

            X is the big title a lot of people are looking forward to, myself included. Once Nintendo releases the next big Zelda, makes a new Metroid (any kind) and has SSB released, the Wii U will be a must-buy system. For now, we just have to wait.

          • Tyranno

            Woot~

            I’ll hold you to that

            X was the only game I saw that looked HOLY F@CK amazing, I still wouldn’t say the Wii U wil be a must buy because of X, Zelda, Metroid and SSB though. I mean yeah good games, but only SSB and X can be taken online. An important thing I look for in a system is multiplayer.

          • The True Gamer

            The Wii U will never be a must-buy system until games that all gamers care about will released. Many people don’t like Zelda, or Metroid, or how X looks. Other consoles have many games that rival the quality, or surpass the quality of nearly every Nintendo franchise (except for Super Smash Bros and Pokemon). Until Nintendo can build a console that third parties want, non Nintendo fans will not want the console

          • QuizmasterBos

            I haven’t heard one person say they didn’t like how X looks. In fact, most of them say it looks amazing. And if people don’t like Zelda or Metroid, whatever, it’s their opinion. Just let me enjoy them. Also, a lot of people really like these games and as such will definitely help boost Wii U sales.

            I don’t know Sony or Microsoft or PC-exclusive franchises, but from all the games I hear about, it seems pretty good. But, rivalling and surpassing the quality of nearly every Nitnendo franchise? That goes a bit far, in my opinion. I’ve never heard of a franchise that people stated would beat Zelda, or Mario Kart. Nintendo is known for it’s many succesful franchises. If what you say would be true, Nintendo wouldn’t have billions sitting in the bank.

          • The True Gamer

            Wait..you don’t play Sony or Microsoft games, yet you believe they are worse than Nintendo games???? How do you even know the fact that you don’t own more than just Nintendo consoles shows that you are a Nintendo fanboy, and I can’t reason with anybody who has no idea what they are talking about. Quit talking about how much better Nintendo is when you don’t even know how good other consoles are.

          • QuizmasterBos

            It’s not about me, it’s about the people who bought Nintendo products in the past. Obviously, Nintendo is doing something right, because they have a lot of money. If they made games people don’t want, they wouldn’t have gotten so far. That’s all I am saying.

            Yes, it’s true I like Nintendo more, but that’s because I really like their games. Sure, there are great titles out there for other systems, but I just cannot afford to go experiment.

            And I am all up for reason, as long as you stop accusing me of things I am not/haven’t done/haven’t said.

          • The True Gamer

            I’m sorry. If you like platformers, trust me, you’re not finding a better one on any other console. Nintendo has built a ecosystem of games that can support gamers for a generation, because they have endless replay value.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Apology accepted.
            I like platformers, I also like action adventure games (like Zelda) and the occasional RPG. Shooters and sports games aren’t really my thing, so are strategy games (like Command and Conquer, even before EA ruined it).
            Nintendo suits my tastes, so I think I am going to keep buying their consoles, I hope you don’t mind. And who knows, maybe one day I’ll get a playstation again.

          • The True Gamer

            Don’t mind that you mainly Nintendo games. I did too, until a couple years ago.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Just to let you know, I decided not to comment on your other 3 comments you posted, because I agree with your statements.

            I definitely hope to see some old Nintendo IPs revived and if possible, new ones get added. That would really help putting the Wii U on the map, I bet.

            I’m glad we got to an understanding.

          • The True Gamer

            Cartoony graphics (as you say) don’t make a game childish. Easy difficulty and a simple gameplay makes a game childish.

          • The True Gamer

            Microsoft has not pulled tricks on gamers, like you claim, and I don’t think using a Mario Kart game that has to be slowed down to run in 60 fps is a good argument basis for anything. Nintendo may be loved by its fanboys, but in the general gaming community, Nintendo gets laughed at on a daily basis. I mean gaming community as in gamers who enjoy games as art. Nintendo, whether you believe it or not, has built their games to appeal to young children in the last few years. And as for Sony? You do realize their was just a firmware update that accidentally rendered people’s PS3s useless? I recommend you check your facts before posting on companies you obvious don’t play games on.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Again, please read carefully. I didn’t say Microsoft HAS pulled tricks on gamers, I said they probably WILL. Microsoft is well-known for not caring one bit about its customers and they try doing anything to get as much money out of you as possible. Once the Xbox One has established itself, they’ll probably start updating their software to add gamecrippling side effects.

            Just look at all the stuff they originally wanted to put on the Xbox One under the assumption that people would buy it anyways? What stops them from just adding this stuff after a few years?

            Where did you get your Mario Kart information from? Nintendo themselves said the game is going to run in 60fps and nowhere did I see, read or otherwise notice that the game has to be slowed down to achieve that. Can you back up your statement?

            Nintendo appeals to gamers of all ages. Even if Nintendo has a lot of E-rated games, that doesn’t mean it’s exclusively for them. Look at Pokemon for instance, that gets played by a much larger number of adults than children, I know plenty of people who play that as well and they are all over 18.
            Nintendo might get ‘laughed at’ as you put it (where? I barely ever see massive gaming communities that do that), but truth is, it sells. Even the disappointing current Wii U sales are amazing compared to Xbox 360 or PS3′s first 6 months on the market.

            And Nintendo is the company with the biggest amount of money on the bank, where do you think did they get all that money from?

            And what did I say about Sony? I just said they seem to be going well, but it’s all still guessing. I never said the company was and is going to do great. You keep misreading and or misunderstanding my comments, please read better.

          • The True Gamer

            Your assumption that Microsoft will pull tricks on gamers is based on a Nintendo fanboys bias against a competing company. In fact, all you’re information is. You obviously don’t respect games as art, and only as something fun to play. If you think that the gaming communities of ign, game informer, n4g, and joystiq respect the Wii u as much as the PS4 and Xbox One, you’re wrong. After E3, many websites were talking about all the next gen games announced. Not a single Nintendo games were on these lists.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Nope, all my information is based on personal experiences and accounts from people I know and trust.

            And you think you know me, but I’m sorry to say, you don’t. I am not a raging fanboy (if I was my comments would contain a lot more swearing and a lot less reason) and I DO respect games as an artform. Heck, I always thought of games that way.

            But, even though this is besides the point, aren’t games meant as something that is fun to play? Wasn’t that the whole point of them in the first place? Why should that matter less than it being an art form?

            Are you telling me the internet loves the Xbox One more than the Wii U? Every single game site I have seen (almost all of them not nintendo-centric) hated/hates the Xbox One with a passion. People were making ton of pictures right after the Xbox One was revealed and even though it is a lot less after they ‘reformed’, Xbox One still isn’t liked. Or, it could be I am not looking on the same sites you do.

            An lastly, I don’t care if Nintendo games aren’t listed on some list of all games announced, as long as I enjoy them it’s good, right?

          • The True Gamer

            It is true that even now, after the Xbox Ones main issues have been cleared up, the world hates the Xbox One. That may never end. Microsoft is evil, and all gamers know that, but Microsofts studios continue to entertain gamers with Halo and Forza. Sure it’s not a lot, but its what Xbox gamers like. Nintendo games are not listed as next gen because, we’ll, there’s no particular reason. Nintendo will not end for generations, and its because of communities like Wii U Daily, and Club Nintendo, which Nintendo’s gaming culture intact.

          • QuizmasterBos

            Oh yes, the studios are alright, nothing wrong with them.

            I don’t see why Nintendo wouldn’t be listed as next-gen. I mean, next-gen is such a vague term, so is generation. I think we just need to look at what time the consoles come out, who their competitors are, and not look at horsepower. Nintendo’s games look good to me and I suspect they play well too. That’s enough for me to enjoy them.

          • The True Gamer

            Nintendo isn’t listed as next gen because of its lack of third party support. I assume that most websites believe that Nintendo is next gen, but not in the class of the Ps4 and Xbox one. In my opinion, if Nintendo is classified as itself and not competing with other consoles (which it claims it does), they will get more support, because price is a very big part of buying game consoles. Many think the Wii U is overpriced, but that gamepad sure cost a lot of money. I think that the Wii U should somehow have support for a bundle with no gamepad. Sure, it takes out the innovation, but the main point of Nintendo is games.

      • The True Gamer

        Nintendo’s Wii had under 5 games that somebody who wasn’t a fanboy would enjoy. With other consoles, their are many more games that are enjoyed by all people, not just fans of a series. The Wii U has been the joke of the gaming community since its announcement, and that’s because Nintendo has lost its ability to appeal to gamers who will only enjoy their games if they are great games.

        • QuizmasterBos

          Did you pick your username as a joke? How are you a true gamer if you have unbased hate towards a console?

          The Wii is just as good a console as any other one, it had plenty games. Because you didn’t own one and didn’t pay much attention to it it just seems it had nothing.

          This is a little test I came up with that you should do. Name 5 first party franchises that had a game on the Xbox 360 or PS3. Only one game per franchise, no sequels.

          Now, this is easy for a person who owns a PS3 or Xbox 360, since you pay attention to it a lot. But I for instance can’t name 5 games even if I tried. Does that mean it’s a bad console then? No, of course it isn’t.

          So, to put it bluntly, don’t judge a console until you actually know it and did plenty of research. THAT’S what a true gamer is all about.

          • The True Gamer

            I chose the username The True Gamer because m unbiased. I owned a Wii. In fact, I have platinum status for my club Nintendo account this year, and for you’re test? For Xbox: fable, halo, Forza, geometry wars and Kinect sports. For Sony, littlebigplanet, uncharted, god of war, Killzone and gran Turismo. I do my research. I’ve been checking this website since e3 2011. I bought a 3DS on day one for $249. I played Super Smash Bros. brawl and Mario Kart Wii 300 hours combined. I know Nintendo. I simply am less biased than you. You obviously don’t play Xbox or PS3, and don’t realize that their are better games out their than just Nintendo.

          • QuizmasterBos

            The feeling I got from your comment was that you WERE biased, which is why I questioned your username. Thanks for the clarification.

            Now, I would like to ask you to stop calling me biased. Yes, I do not own a PS3 (or PS4) or Xbox 360 or have a high-end pc, but that is not because I have ungrounded hate towards the other companies.

            It’s because of several reasons:
            - I have little money, so what I have, I can spend on one system. If I owned multiple systems, I’d have no money left for anything else.
            - My first times gaming was with a Super Nintendo (emulator actually, but I didn’t know what it was at the time and that’s beside the point) about 11-12 years ago.
            - My first actual console was a PS One, which I still own, but I picked Nintendo because I felt it suited me better. The games I owned on my PS didn’t appeal as much to me as the new up and coming Nintendo DS. Naturally, I went with the Wii after that.

            So, I’d love to play some games from other systems, but the few games that appeal to me do not condone me buying the system. It’s all personal preference and that’s where it is all about.

          • The True Gamer

            All games are personal preference. I love Pokemon, and hate Zelda games, but I love Smash Bros and hate Donkey kong. Nintendo has built a sustainable company on games that have changed the world, and I am simply angry that Nintendo can’t be the only console I buy. Even so, Nintendo can’t appeal to third parties ever. Otherwise the gamepad wouldn’t exist, and Nintendo would simply be a competitor to Xbox and PS4

          • QuizmasterBos

            Nintendo had third party support up until the N64, which was difficult to program for and still used cartridges instead of switching to the much easier and now suitable discs. Playstation did do that and therefore they got a lot of third-party support at that point.

            Nintendo finally went to discs with their next system, but they used an usual format which didn’t help out things either. It makes sense Nintendo lost most of its support then.

            Nintendo is trying to get some support back and considering that they had very little for several generations of consoles, I have to say they aren’t doing too badly. If Nintendo puts a little more work into it, I don’t see why Nintendo can’t get the third parties back.

          • The True Gamer

            Nintendo could easily get third parties for the next generation, but even then, a lot of gamers from Xbox and PlayStation wouldn’t switch over. Many Xbox and PlayStation gamers don’t hold much respect for Microsoft, sadly enough, and I few even know Wii U is a very powerful console. Convincing fans might be challenging, but if Nintendo uses some classic iPs and some great games, I’m sure Nintendo could gather a decent crowd.

    • kenny Johnson

      Where is this dust you speak of? The Wii, DS, and 3DS have been immensely successful. We’ll have to see how the Wii U does in comparison to PS4/Xbone

      • nin-10-doughfan

        absolutely!

      • Tyranno

        My bad, I meant to say the Wii U specifically is being left in the dust, I just said Nintendo since that’s their newest product. I also wouldn’t bet on the Wii U beating out the PS4 or X-box One since it hasn’t been able to beat the PS3 or 360.

        • kenny Johnson

          You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Wii U is outperforming both the PS3 and X-Box 360s launches. Go look at the sales numbers. The Wii U is only considered a disappointment because its seriously under performing from the Wii and Nintendo was projecting better numbers than they’ve sold.

          I’ll be surprised if either the PS4 or X-box One sell more than 3.5m units in their first 6 months. But we’ll know in a year if I’m right.

          Either way.. nothing about Wii U’s disappointing sales have anything to do with not creating new IP. It has to do with lack of games (due to delays) and lack of advertising.

          • Tyranno

            when you say “outperforming”, are you talking about the performance of the system itself or outselling?

            I’m 100% sure without having to look anything up that the pre-orders of the PS4 or X-box One beats out 3.5 million, so if you want to give them 6 months or a year to increase their numbers, keep me posted!

            I don’t recall me ever saying it was because of the Wii U’s disappointing sales effecting Nintendo making a new IP. Where did this come from?!

    • Elem187

      Making dudebro games is leaving Nintendo in the dust? Funny stuff.
      I actively avoid dudebro games, hence why I have no desire to ever by a ps4 or a SpyBox 1… so for someone who likes interesting games like rts, srpg,jrpg, puzzle games, its Nintendo who is leaving Sony and Microsoft in the dust..

      How about games performing at a high level? Vast majority if not all of the games Nintendo is releasing this year are running in 60fps, and ALL of the games in 2014 will be 60fps… where Sony didn’t show off a single title that was running about a paltry 30fps…. some dust creation there.

      • Tyranno

        Alrighty, people taking my comment to heart then >_> Like it or not “dudebro” games (I’m assuming you mean games like Halo or Cod?) are what the majority of gamers look for. If you also want to get technical, PC beats Nintendo in all categories in which you listed >_> Minor note- srpg, jrpg?
        I’m also confused on what RTS games Nintendo has or puzzle games that aren’t Zelda related.

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Not left in the dust, but they are a bit delusional to think that new gameplay experiences on a franchise means a new IP. That I admit made no sense. Nintendo in that aspect, needs to get with the program.

      • Tyranno

        That’s what I’m saying! But I guess more harshly?

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Yeah. Nintendo is backwards on what IP really means, but I digress.

          • Tyranno

            Fo’shizzle.

  • everyone

    I prefer new game experience with Mario over reused game experience with ‘new’ IPs.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      Yeah! New like New Super Mario. Thats so New and innovative.

      • Nintedward

        You idiot , it was meant to be retro just like OLD Super mario bros….HAHA!!!!!

        • Magnus Eriksson

          HAHAHA! :D

    • 1239474899

      Ok nintendo=inovation=giant DS……FAIL

      • fireheartis1

        Dude Wii U is nothing like a giant DS . You’ve been listening to Patcher for way to long. Go watch reviewtechusa on YouTube and find out why it’s not a giant DS. A DS has the two screens one above the other. That makes it easier to create two different perspective. The GamePad and TV screen can’t do that, how ever, the GamePad used for maps, inventory, weapon selection, and objectives cleans up the TV screen. No more having to pause a game like AC3 or CoD to switch weapons, look at were you need to go, or read your next objective and break up the gameplay. Yah bro that’s some awesome innovation right there. I’m not going to join the whole Mario and CoD debate on here because I love both francizes. I am going to say I wouldn’t play a CoD game on any other system again because I hate pausing my game to choose my next load out set. I can just touch a button on my GamePad and boom my next load out set is chosen. When playing on my brother’s PS3 I have to pause the game to chose it and risk getting shot while trying to chose it. Screw that bro I’d much rather touch a touch screen and keep playing without interruption.

        • The True Gamer

          What about games like Fallout, where the interruption is very much necessary to the game?

  • RockieOllie

    As much as I do want new IPs i would prefer playing IP’s that we haven’t seen in a while. I’m sure Mario is great and all, but I’m all burnt out on Mario games and would love to experience other Nintendo franchises I grew up on.

    I don’t only like Nintendo for Mario games…

    • nin-10-doughfan

      maybe this is all what they know what to make? just saying!

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        I’m sure they can create some more exciting IP’s, but unfortunately Nintendo aren’t the risk takers they once were. I miss their former president. I have no hate for Satoru Iwata, but I just don’t think he’s a good president nor CEO for Nintendo. I think it’s time for a change.

    • Elem187

      At the beginning of a console’s life, do you really think they should bring in niche titles?
      The well known titles are what sells hardware. They need hardware in peoples homes before they can make niche titles like Fire Emblem.

  • Møhåmmęd Jårmøn

    As long as Nintendo is putting other games out and getting third party support there is no downside to having many different Mario games available for consumers

    • Elem187

      The only people complaining about Mario are the people who would never buy a Nintendo console in the first place…. should Nintendo really waste any time or money on these people?

      • Møhåmmęd Jårmøn

        Huh? What’s that have to do with mass producing Mario IPs?

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        I have every single console to date minus the Wii U at this point. Not all people who complain about Mario are those who don’t have the console. The “only” people? That’s a bit flawed, don’t you think? The bigger question is, should the consumers waste their money on Nintendo if they can’t deliver what the hardcore fans want?

      • The True Gamer

        I complain about Mario because I bought the recent games, played it for a little bit, and was disappointed for the lack in challenge.

  • [000]

    Couldn’t the title have been at least a little bit original, instead of a copy and paste from mynintendonews.com?

  • john

    It doesn’t matter how many games Mario is in to me as long as they’re DIFFERENT! In other words, no more NSMB!

    • Magnus Eriksson

      The cat suit brought great diversity to the series. Who would have thought of that? Meeeeeooooow

      • Elem187

        Or Fire Emblem and Xenoblade, pretty darn innovative, I haven’t seen it done in a JRPG and SRPG… oh wait you are one of those naive people who thinks Nintendo only does Mario games.

      • john

        I’m going to assume that was sarcasm. The cat suit is just a gimmick and new power-ups only account for a fraction of a game’s newness. What really makes a game feel new is the art style (which is something that sadly never changes for Mario) the setting, levels, and most importantly the gameplay. The only other time we’ve seen gameplay like Mario 3D world was in Mario 3D land, but it seems like it’s going to be heavily built on this time around. So in terms of freshness, I think Mario 3D World is going to succeed.

        Now if they go the New Super Mario Bros route with the 3D series, that is making three more that are exactly the same except with different levels and power-ups, then that won’t be good. In fact, it would make Mario become to platformer games what Call of Duty is to shooting games. By the way I really dislike the title of this game, it was almost okay for 3D land because it was in 3D (like the screens were actually 3D) and it was on the 3DS. This game is no more 3D than Mario 64 or Sunshine, or either of the Galaxies.

        The thing I really liked about the main 3D Mario games though, is that they always feel new. They have their own unique intricate courses and gameplay mechanics that really make them stand out from each other. I really hope they don’t label this as the real next 3D Mario game.

      • oontz

        Don’t forget about the clear pipes!!! It has clear pipes, those pipes oooze innovation.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          HAHAHA! They sure did :D

  • Denvy

    It does seem like a lot and I can’t even keep up, but they all are quality titles. Until they start turning crappy, bring them on.

  • Justin Lee

    Needs to bring back old power ups, hammer mario, boot mario, and frog mario. More importantly, needs a few new ones. I was disappointed in NSBMU in only bringing one new suit, the acorn which it isn’t really and not very useful. We had the leaf power in SMB3 which is a lot better. Galaxy 2 was amazing with so many fun power ups. Loved cloud mario much.

  • http://rickvug.com Rick Vugteveen

    This issue is overblown. Mario games are tentpole titles that will be core to Wii U for a long time to come. It makes sense to release these games early to establish the console. Expect less Mario and more risk taking from Nintendo in a few years time once the console is established.

    • Elem187

      Exactly, but since Nintendo isn’t falling all over themselves to stroke ‘core’ gamers ego early on makes Nintendo the worst company in the world.

  • Joel

    Translation:

    “We are a bunch of lazy bastards who like to cash in on our fans who have no taste in real games outside of our systems by releasing games with no new features because we can.”

    • Elem187

      We aren’t discussing spybox 1 in this article, where are you getting the quote from Don Mattrick from?

      From Microsoft’s conference they showed us the EXACT same game with a shiny new coat of paint, with ZERO new gameplay mechanics…. so who is rehashing?.

      There was more Halo’s last gen then Zeldas. Donkey Kong or 3D Mario games.

      • Joel

        Because Killer Instinct, Zoo Tycoon, Ryse, and Sunset Overdrive are the exact same games, right? Compared to 3D world, which is just 3D land with tacked-on multiplayer and lolcats.

  • companyoflosers

    they say they are making mario games because fans want it, well that doesnt account for the missing zelda announcement at e3. sure we got an hd remake and a 3ds title but fans have been clamoring for a brand new wii u zelda game for a while now. we REALLY wanna see it push the limits of the console. so explain to me nintendo, if you make games based on demand, where is our new zelda? we know its being worked on so stop keeping us in suspense and just release some footage or concept art or SOMETHING. give us something to speculate about while we wait. dont give us excuses, give us results!

    • Elem187

      They only release the games that sell…. if people stop buying Mario, they will stop releasing so many of them.
      So why should they stop because ~1% of gamers out there is complaining? the other 10 million people who do buy Super Mario 3D World couldn’t careless, they are going to buy, play and enjoy the next installment.

  • John Andalora

    Nintendo, the reason why the games were considered good the first time is because it’s slightly different. NSMB for DS and Wii were different and new. Super 3D Mario Land was different. So, making more sequels like NSMBU and 3D Mario World aren’t selling as well because people don’t like it.

    I’d say I’m boycotting games like 3D Mario World to show Nintendo that I want something different, but I wouldn’t buy these games anyways.

    • Elem187

      I’m sure the other 10 million people who purchase it don’t really care about that one person pouting in the corner thats stomping his feet like a two year.

      • John Andalora

        Glad to see that Nintendo’s disappointing and boring sequels will continue getting made because of the defensive fanboys who see Nintendo as God’s gift to video games and buy whatever they decide to shove on their console.

        I hope you enjoy such memorable and innovative games as Donkey Kong 2, 3D Mario Land, and Wind Waker HD.

        • Guest

          Casuals would like to have a chat with you.

          • John Andalora

            What would they like to say? That games should be shorter, simpler, and have no substantial value while repeating the exact same stories and concepts over and over again?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            As much as I enjoy Mario games, they are repetitive as you say they are. Can’t argue there. It would be nice to see some Mario games that were at least story driven a little, even if it’s cheesy.

            I prefer more of Ps3 games these days, but I still do fire up the Wii on occasion.

          • oontz

            I would love to see a naughty dog or bethesda version of Mario brothers. I know it would never happen but Nintendo plays it too safe. If the wiiu has the power people claim, then a full 3d living mushroom kingdom world is possible! Imagine the scope of skyrim with the art style of Mario. Finding hidden warp pipes to take you to underground dungeons where you can battle bosses for power ups. The technology is there for this to be a reality but Nintendo is no longer about taking risks. The play it safe.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            They claim they won’t play it safe with sequels, but I doubt they’ll stick to their word. Their track record is against them.

        • Mochlum

          It is disappointing and boring in YOUR OPINION. I happen to love Donkey Kong Country games so I’m really excited for Tropical Freeze, 3D Mario World looks pretty fun, and I’ve never played much of the original Wind Waker so I’m excited for HD.

          Ooops, I forgot, I must automatically be a crazed brainwashed fanboy to be excited for those games…. it isn’t like people have differing opinions…

          • John Andalora

            Well, I went to the Best Buy thing to see these games.
            No one played DKC,
            3D Mario World is pretty boring,
            and goodie goodie, you get to play the same game people played before for another $60.

            To have a differing opinion is one thing. To say someone is acting like a two year old because of their opinion throws all that out the window.

          • Mochlum

            When did I say that?

          • John Andalora

            Oh, sorry. That was someone else. My mistake and apologies.

          • Mochlum

            Oh, it’s okay. :)

        • howling_wolf1334:[

          Ninten-Luya!!!
          Lol.

        • howling_wolf1334:[

          Hey, dont mess with Zelda WW!!!

          • John Andalora

            WW not the problem. WW HD is.

    • Silent

      The best thing you could to protest the release of Mario games:

      1) Go to the NoA headquarters

      2) Go to the roof of the building

      3) stand in the very edge of the building

      4) Do a barrel roll

      • John Andalora

        So that’s what fanboys do? Tell those who disagree to kill themselves?

        What a concise, yet insightful argument. You have persuaded me that I was completely wrong, and that I was being quite irrational in insulting boring sequels that don’t add anything new to the formula.

        Why don’t you go away? I don’t want to be your friend.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          All fanboys do that no matter what console they play on. Though that last step did amuse me a little. The formula does get boring over time. I think for Mario games, I don’t pay attention much to the story, just the gameplay.

          In all fairness, Mario games were more fun back in the NES and SNES days.

          • Silent

            Since the formula gets boring as everything that starts getting repetitive, they try to release a Mario game every 2 or 4 years, enough for you to forget how sick you are of the games. Imagine what would happen if there was a Mario or a Super Smash Bros game released every year? Not a bright picture.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It’s seeing the same games that make it boring, no matter how many years pass on. I’d rather see some new IP’s than a new Mario game. Only game that I find worth it, is Smash Bros.

          • Silent

            Have you ever noticed that every time a new mario game is coming out, some of the fans start using the same, ”its the same thing all over again” Same thing happened when galaxy and galaxy 2 were coming out. Didnt it bother you that galaxy’s sequel was very similar to the original mario galaxy game. Same thing is with this one.

            Not trying to dictate what you should do or think but, As far as I can see, you are a grown sir. Havent you noticed that so far every time that a 3d or sometimes 2d mario game comes out, people buy it regardless? In the games, isnt there something that works every time they release a game, either a new mechanic or something that makes you buy the game and maybe enjoy it? They avoid releasing a 3d mario game yearly to avoid turning it into a Call of Mario instead of a one of a kind experience that people can enjoy for a long time. Dont you find games that come out yearly boring and repetitive, since these have only one year of development time?

            This is the time when people start doubting about Nintendo and saying how the company is going to be doomed and all that BS. Im sure you remember when the 3ds came out, how most people were saying it was overpriced and it was the end of Nintendo. Trolls be hating but now, no troll or website is bashing on the 3ds. It wasnt a miracle, Nintendo knew exactly what they were going to do, regardless of what the stupid website, trolls and fans alike were saying. If nintendo didnt fail when the GameCube or Nintendo 64 came out, why is it going to fail now, when it has billions backing it?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I don’t know. I don’t play CoD games anymore so I don’t know what it’s like to play a yearly game. I don’t have a problem with Mario games, just that fact that they shove so many of them in our faces in one given generation. Besides Mario Galaxy games, SSBB, and Mario Kart , seeing Mario Party, Golf, Tennis, Strikers is a bit much. Too many games have the Mario in its name that it’s too much. Why not just make a realistic golf, tennis and soccer games? Oh, and baseball, can’t forget that.

            If people keep getting fed the same games over and over their fans won’t know whats good for them if you don’t do something different. They’ll just want the same crap. Just like CoD fanboys. Even Nintendo is guilty of this with Mario games being shoved up everyones asses often.

            Point is, how about, less Mario and more new IPs, and no Nintendo, new gameplay experiences in a current IP doesn’t make it a new IP. Not even in a sense.

          • Silent

            As a gamer, not a fanboy, I know whats for the casuals, and whats mainly for gamers and casuals. Mario tennis, gold and such are for casuals, since they are spin-offs made to appeal to casuals. I dont buy any mario game except, Mario Kart, Smash bros, 3D mario game, and maybe 2d mario game and mario party. You should know what to buy and what not to buy.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It doesn’t excuse Nintendo from butchering the Mario franchise. A Mario game, Mario Kart and Smash Bros is enough to me.

          • Sora Morp

            but there is a mario game every year…

        • Silent

          Ok, First of all, where does my comment say you should suicide? Nowhere. Dont put your words in my comment. Unless the word suicide is in the comment, your comment can be easily classified as BS. It doesnt take being rational to realize that. Now, anything you think the comment means is at your own risk, since I cannot control your mind.

          To make it easier for you, I’m telling you what you should have learned from the comment: Unless you gather a good amount of people or do something big( and drastic), your protest will be equivalent to that of a kid stomping around.

          • John Andalora

            “Stand at the very edge of the building and do a barrel roll.” What exactly am I supposed to interpret from that other than jumping off the building?

            You also didn’t seem to disagree with Daniel when he said that “all fanboys do that no matter what console they play on.”

            Also, Mr. “Don’t put words in my mouth,” how was I supposed to get “unless I get a good amount of people, your protest will be equivalent to that of a kid stomping around” from directions like going to the roof of the NoA, standing at the edge, and doing a barrel roll?
            You want people to know that? Just tell them. But don’t make some sick joke then try to cover it up with BS.

            As for your “argument,” There are people who agree with me and will not buy the game because they don’t like it either. Chances are with so few people who actually own or care to own the console, and some wanting to sell it, 3D Mario probably won’t sell well enough for a sequel either.

          • Silent

            For you to understand, I will divide this comment by parts

            —– You also didn’t seem to disagree with Daniel when he said that “all fanboys do that no matter what console they play on.”

            I did not disagreed with it because thats his opinion. If he wants to believe that every fanboy does that, then ok. Also, since the comment doesnt really apply to me, I just ignored it.

            —— ”Also, Mr. “Don’t put words in my mouth,” how was I supposed to get “unless I get a good amount of people, your protest will be equivalent to that of a kid stomping around” from directions like going to the roof of the NoA, standing at the edge, and doing a barrel roll?”

            Let us use your interpretation of the comment. By suicide, which is a very drastic action, you will create commotion about the effects of videogames on people, which will result in the media and parents saying how bad videogames are. By doing something as drastic as taking your life away, most parents, influenced by the media and other ignorant parents who think every video game makes someone violent, will stop buying Nintendo products(or videogames at all). This could continue as a domino effect which could eventually result in Nintendo either releasing less Mario games or failing in sales, or even as a company here in the US. At the end, less Mario games for US, and in addition people will start going away from videogames.

            See how a one tiny person can change the country. Something small can become the biggest deal of the month. Only in America (US).

            ——”As for your “argument,” There are people who agree with me and will not buy the game because they don’t like it either. Chances are with so few people who actually own or care to own the console, and some wanting to sell it, 3D Mario probably won’t sell well enough for a sequel either.”

            The number of people who share your view is probably relatively minuscule compared to the number of people who will buy the game, seeing it as a very fun game and being grateful that it is finally here and out. Since people like you who protest about the game without actually playing it or those who protest about the smallest fault in the game rarely succeed in making an effect in the release of games, people are backing away from those points of views to prevent themselves from looking like young whiny kids or even dorks.

            How can you say SM3dWorld isnt selling well if it isnt even out yet? Thats one of the effects of your points of view, you are basically judging a game by its name. The name of the game is actually fine, as well as the new Smash Bros game name. Before actually turning your butt on a game, try playing the entire game or watching someone play it NEXT TO YOU. Believe it or not, NintendoLand is actually very fun to play when you play it with a full party of 5 or when you are watching a party of 4 play it.

            Nintendo doesnt like to change formula drastically because if they change it a little too much, half of you say that the old mario was better, and if they dont, trolls and fans alike start pouting about how they should make something different. For nintendo to evolve, nintendo fans need to stop living in denial.

            In summation: Unless you gather a good amount of people, Mario will be just fine and it still release the games that annoy you. If you dont want the games, dont buy them and miss out. Dont ruin the experience and waiting for the others that, fanboy or not, eagerly waiting for the release of the game. Trolls be trolling because as you might have noticed(or not since you have no idea of what you comment), trolls dont go around trolling about the 3ds anymore. How did that happen? Nintendo happened.

            Extra: Putting words into anyone’s mouth is disgusting. There are many germs in there.

          • John Andalora

            You didn’t answer my main question:
            What did you mean by “stand at the very edge of the roof and do a barrel roll?”

            You say “based on my interpretation,” but how on earth does that match up with “gettig a lot of people to support you”?

            I played it at Best Buy, and thought it was boring. I’m not just saying it’s boring without playing it. I played it. And it’s boring.

            I’m basing sales of it on recent sales of NSMBU and NSMB2, which aren’t nearly as good to claim that “all the fans want more Mario games.”

            I honestly prefer formula changers to cheap sequels. I loved the original Paper Mario, Luigi’s Mansion, Pokemon Snap, Kirby Air Ride: numerous different game-changers that were just something new and fun. I’m sick and tired of sequels over and over again. I think they’re dull. I like Nintendo for their new games, not the same stuff because some people like it.

            People claim how much of a success 3DS was and how Wii U will copy that, but remember that the only competition is the PS Vita, that was advertisied more as an accessory to PS3 play instead of as its own console. Nintendo has more competition in Home Consoles, and have to face 3 other consoles.

            And, finally, there are more people than you’d think who agree and won’t be buying it. If you don’t like the expression of that opinion because you can’t wait for it, then ignore it like you “ignored” Daniel.

  • Chris Hamilton
    • Luna Moonfang

      It just got raised :D (for Wii U, PS4 and Vita)

      • Chris Hamilton

        :-) still lots of stretch goals so the more support=better game

  • Ducked

    Who’s complained?

    • nin-10-doughfan

      ha ha ha!

  • dj3revo

    for me its just weird and funny i just notice that most people who ask for new ip from nintendo are actually people that dont buy or play nintendo games for the most part they just dont care for nintendo games and its funny that they complaining to nintendo asking for new ip hahaha they just see o its a new game from nintendo and its mario o its not new mmmm ok judge without trying the game yea u want new ip its just funny

  • nin-10-doughfan

    it is easier to add on what you have than to make a new one(IP). Until then, we have to deal what they’re giving us and we will have a new IP when they feel like making one so we can do nothing about it!

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Actually, you can. You don’t buy their games to make a statement. However, since people don’t really do that too well, it’s a long shot.

  • Yousif Alromaithi

    Mario 3D world would be great nothing wrong with that. But please add more stages and make a better story. I liked the story from 3DS but it is not enough for Wii U in this point because Wii U is a console system not a portable system. If the game has over ten hours gameplay from a single run then it is okay but most preferable 15 hours. 3D Land is portable so it is okay to finish the game in five hours. Anyways I can’t wait for another Mario.

  • Kenshin0011

    “Scibetta acknowledges that for a new IP to be justified it needs to be
    within the realm of a new genre with gameplay themes and mechanics
    unseen in existing IPs. For platforming, we have Mario and Donkey Kong;
    for adventure and puzzle, there’s Zelda; and for strategy,we have Pikmin
    and Fire Emblem.”

    I haven’t thought of it like that, and I agree. BUT, can Nintendo at least make more of the old IP’s that fans are BEGGING for?! Star Fox?! Metroid?! F-Zero?! Star Tropics?! These games would do the Wii U justice, we’re starting to get too many 2D platformers

    • Yousif Alromaithi

      Agreed with your statement about reviving some old IP’s. Imagine Nintendo bringing back a new Earthbound on Wii U. i know the original would come But I hope they set a release date.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Earthbound is certainly worth reviving, F-Zero, and even Wave Race.

        • oontz

          F-zero wont cause they basically merged it with mario kart for the next installment

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Nah, that was a whole new idea for the game. F-Zero is still a big possibility. They just don’t have any ideas for it at the moment unfortunately. At some point, it’ll happen. It’s a matter of when right now.

        • Yousif Alromaithi

          Wave Race would be excellent

  • Joao paulo sabino

    every game made ​​with Mario is good or awesome so i buy all.

    • Joel

      Hotel Mario would like to talk with you.

      • Clel

        That wasn’t an actual Nintendo-developed Mario game though.

        But still hilarious.

        • Joel

          But it still has Mario in it.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It’s not a true Mario game, however since Nintendo had no part in the game nor publishing. So regardless, it’s not part of the Mario series and Nintendo doesn’t acknowledge it either. It may have Mario in it, but it’s still irrelevant.

          • 1239474899

            Yet u play it….smh nintendrone

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Nintendrone? Are you 10 years old? Give up the name calling cause if anyones a drone, it’s you my friend. Plus what do I play? Hotel Mario? I never made any indication that I played it. Never had a CD-I thank god. Your comment made no sense whatsoever.

            Move along troll.

      • Arthur Jarret

        Hotel mario was the best CDi game
        Mario’s time machine was worse…
        Atari version of donkey kong too
        Cement factory isn’t all that great
        Who liked Dance dance revolution: mario mix?
        Mario party 6-8 were not much fun (haven’t played 9, and I liked 1-5, advance and DS)
        not to mention Mario teaches typing…
        I heard bad thing about paper mario: sticker star… although I still have to buy and play it before having an opinion

    • 1239474899

      CASUAL GAMER ALERT THIS GUY PLAYS MARIO AT THE OLYMPICS

    • Sora Morp

      new super mario bros 2/MK7

  • Abcgamer

    Anyone else want to get a ps4 in addition to their wii u like I do?

    • Veries Seals

      I really thought about the PS4 Wii U combo, but I think I have decided to go with XB1-Wii U. I really liked the XB1′s line up of games better than the PS4′s.

      • Joel

        I’m glad you at least gave Xbox One a chance, seems like everyone is bashing on it even after they scrapped DRM and region locking.

        • Veries Seals

          Ikr. But I loved the 360. When they dropped the DRM that solitified my decision.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I think it’s the fact that they even dared to throw it at us I would guess and the fact that you still have to connect your Kinect to the console. Personally, whether they claim it doesn’t spy on people or not, I’m not buying solely for that reason. Once they take away the requirement of Kinect being connected to the console, then maybe I might purchase one down the road.

        • everyone

          Only reason I wont consider it currently is I want to see what they do after sales. User agreements on the initial start of the consoles state that they can change policies whenever they see fit. I want to make sure that isn’t the case before I buy.

      • Andreas Sunde

        There is so much wrong with Xbox and Microsoft, even after they removed most of the bullshit people complaiend about, but if you want an X1, it’s your choice. Have fun ^^

    • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

      PS4 WiiU combo for me as well. Possibly even Ps4 before WiiU as the must have games on WiiU (For me in person) won’t be released until 2014 so I don’t mind to get a PS4 first, it depens on financial situation for me a living is far more important then luxury. But yeah, I’ll get both PS4 and WiiU in due time.

    • oontz

      I have my ps4 pre-ordered and a space saved in my entertainment centre :)

    • Arthur Jarret

      I’ll get a X1 just for killer instinct, and a ps4 for all multiplats and their exclusive franchises and studios (like naughty dog and media molecule) and i’ll upgrade my pc to catch the RTS games skipping console for yet another gen – and keep my wii u for all games that integrate the pad properly and each and every title nintendo (or one of their partially-owned studios) develops – because 98% of nintendo developed titles are extremely well-polished, addictive experiences.

  • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

    Is it a good thing releasing so many Mario Games, well they sell so yes it’s a good thing from a businiss perspective. It’s not like you are FORCED to buy them, because you aren’t if you don’t like it, then leave it it’s that simple. From my perspective I have bought New Super Mario Bros Wii (yes, Wii, not WiiU) Why? because I wanted to go back to my childhood with Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 2, Super mario Bros 3 and Super Mario World, that’s why I bought it.

    Having that experience once again is fun, but I won’t be buying new Super Mario Bros 2 and U, atleast not as priority purchase. I didn’t bother to buy Super Mario 3D land for my 3DS as I was not interested in it, yet I did get the game in the end as it was one of the free downloads when purchased a 3DS xl late last year and so I downloaded it for free, I’m having casual fun with it, but again I won’t be buying Super Mario 3D world most likely as again I’m not all that interested in it.

    The great thing is noone is forcing me to do so either, not Nintendo, nor other fans. And even not friends and family are forcing me to get it. They call that CHOICE.
    You have the choice to buy it or not. it’s really that simple. If you don’t like it then simply don’t buy it, and don’t complain about it. If you like it, you buy it and you won’t complain either. Can it be any simpler? I don’t think so.

    Besides these Mario games (or rehashes as the haters and trolls call it) I can get a dozen of other games which I will like. Deus Ex, Rayman, Sonic Lost world, Bayonetta 2, X, Smash Brothers, Watch Dogs, Splintercell Blacklist, ACIV and so on and so on, none of these games are out yet, but I don’t care I can wait. Again it’s that simple.

  • Graeme Lynch

    Sorry but I just don’t understand how this article is trying to advocate the lack of creativity from Nintendo. Before people bombard me with hate read the rest of this. By creativity I mean something fresh. Something new. Something we haven’t seen before. Sure you can argue that Link transforms into a wolf or that Mario can become a cat creature but lets face it. Those are nothing more than slight tweaks and quirks to add something ‘new’ to century old IPs.

    It is only my opinion but I am still hoping and waiting for Nintendo to release something that I can say WOW once again. It happened with OOT and then with ED (granted by different developers) but it just feels long gone are the days of a unique, refreshing, completely new game from Nintendo and it makes me sad.

    • Joel

      Second, man.

  • Wanderlei

    Fun fact, Assassins Creed has had more sequels than Zelda.

    • Clel

      That isn’t true, sorry. There have been over 15 Zelda games, and Ubisoft is coming out with their 5th AC game in November (even though it’s called 4)

      • Wanderlei

        1 Assassin’s Creed
        2 Assassin’s Creed II
        3 Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood
        4 Assassin’s Creed: Revelations
        5 Assassin’s Creed III
        6 Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag
        7 Assassin’s Creed: Altaïr’s Chronicles
        8 Assassin’s Creed: Bloodlines
        9 Assassin’s Creed II: Discovery
        10 Assassin’s Creed: Project Legacy
        11 Assassin’s Creed: Lost Legacy
        12 Assassin’s Creed: Recollection
        13 Assassin’s Creed: Multiplayer Rearmed
        14 Assassin’s Creed III: Liberation
        15 Assassin’s Creed: Utopia

        Zelda over 25 years old, AC started this gen.

        • 1239474899

          4 mario parties 1nsmb 2mario galaxy’s 2 mario karts 1 mario land mario soccer and mario tennis nd 2 mario at the olympics …….MAKING A GRAND TOTAL OF 14 MARIO GAMES IN ONE CONSOLE GENERATION

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 3, Call of Duty 4:Modern Warfare, World at War, Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops 1 and 2, Modern Warfare 3, and now Ghosts.

            Sounds like Activision is guilty of the same this generation huh?

          • Wanderlei

            HAHAHAHAHA counting spin off sports game which are nothing but cameos from popular IP, not rehashes. Desperate.

            Fact is Nintendo release one or two at the most of their main IPs each gen and they are stellar quality every time,

            Sony are the worst PS3, PSP and Vita are all pieces of shit in one way or another and they make below average games AND they rehash the shit out of them.

            They’re like the worst of nintendo and microsoft in a single company.

            And don’t tell me they don’t rehash, there’s been like 5 or 6 Uncharted, Resistance and Killzone games in a single generation.

          • The True Gamer

            I don’t like sony, but Nintendo is cash grabbing with Mario. Each game has less and less innovation, and at this point is like Im playing the same game over again

          • Wanderlei

            ROFL there are more changes between each Mario game than Uncharted which has seen 3 sequels in single generation and another reskin rehash in the last of us.

        • oontz

          Aren’t most of those just dlc? Only a hand full are full retail games.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            1 through 8, and Liberation are actual retail games. 9 games, that’s quite a lot for one generation.

          • oontz

            to be fair Number 6 hasn’t even been released yet

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s true, but it’s obviously going to make it 9 anyway once it does. So might as well say 9 now.

          • Wanderlei

            I’d call it text book rehashing something Nintendo gets accused a lot off but Nintendo release one or two at the most of their main IPs each gen and they are stellar quality every time,

        • oontz

          To be fair “this Gen” as you put it, started in late 2005 almost 8 years ago.

          • Wanderlei

            Zelda started 1986
            Assassin’s Creed started 2007

        • Mario

          I doubt it.

        • Clel

          I don’t see how 25 years old changes this, but you’re right, there were more AC games that I had listed. My bad, and I’d like to apologize for that.

          I do prefer Zelda much more than AC, and I wasn’t trying to convey that one is better than the other or anything. However, what you you said (AC has more sequels than Zelda) isn’t true. Zelda has OVER 15 games, AC has 15.

          Unless by sequels you mean like a direct followup in the story.

        • The True Gamer

          Your comment is flawed..8 of those games weren’t even on home consoles

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Boy are you way off. Lol. Zelda is over 25 years old and that’s spread out. AC has several games out this gen that it’s crazy. Do research before commenting.

    • 1239474899

      I swear you dont know math there has been 8 zelda releasesonsoles alone and if you were to count the other ones on the ds gameboy and 3ds you would get over 20 rehashes

      • Wanderlei

        There have been more home console release of Assassin Creed than Zelda.

        Zelda started 1986
        Assassin’s Creed 2007

        Thanks for playing dunce.

  • Joyous Killer

    The time remaining is 222, you know what that means? Zombi U 2 confirmed

  • Mason742

    Are they really counting super luigi U as the second 2d mario platformer -_-… I only know of two mario platformers and one isn’t even released yet.

  • Mochlum

    I’d be okay with one Mario platformer every one or two years, with spinoffs like Paper Mario, Mario Kart, Mario Sports, etc. in between.

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      I agree. Several Mario games is a bit much. Not even Zelda is used that often as Mario.

  • sup3rnoah

    I just want a peek at Zelda U already.

  • NintendoFan001

    What I don’t understand is people who hate Nintendo made accounts on this website and argue with Nintendo fans. IT’S CALLED WII U DAILY WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT?!

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Actually, some of them make good valid points. It’s the ignorant fans and we all know they exist on all platforms, that also add fuel to the fire.

      • oontz

        Agreed… fanboys (regardless of system) are the blindest of the bunch.

    • oontz

      Actually most people probably use a discus account on this and many other web sites, like ign

    • The True Gamer

      I personally point out what is wrong with what Nintendo is. I do that because I loved Nintendo for a long time, but they have recently failed, and people shouldn’t live a fantasy in which Nintendo cares about its fans.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Exactly. It’s a business foremost. Businesses want your money, just like Nintendo and I can accept that. It’s always been that way since they entered the market in the 80′s and why would that change now? While they care about their fanbase up to a point, they care about your money more. It’s a fair trade, you buy their products they’ll keep throwing the same stuff to you since you eat it up.

        People will never know what’s different or better if they’re fed the same things generation after generation. Hate what I say or not, it’s the truth and I’m not singling them out either, plenty of companies do that. Nintendo is no different. Naturally I was like any other kid or teenager who thought people talked too much shit about Nintendo, but then I grew up and realized alot of what they said, was true. Some will get it, and some won’t due to stubborness.

        There’s no reason to attack nor get upset over gaming, it’s a hobby, and it’s not necessity in life. You can accept it or not, but Nintendo is like any other business, they want your money. Rather than get upset over comments and name call, try thinking about it instead of flaming others.

  • FlyingBoat

    i like mario, but i think that nintendo should put a little more effort into bringing back some old ips of different genres. if done right, i think they could make a metroid game that keeps with the series’ style, AND can compete with games like halo, and become nintendo’s very own fps. and then there are other franchieses like star fox, that people want to see return. i just want them to branch out from platformers and zelda

  • MississaugaMaverick

    why is mario in a yellow catsuit?

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Cause they’re running out of ideas I’d guess.

    • Marcus Henne

      One of the new Power-ups in the game is a Cat Suit, used for climbing walls. And even the goal post I believe.

      • MississaugaMaverick

        i know, just was wondering why he was in yellow not red? all the other characters cat suits matched their classic colours.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Cause it matches the yellow streak down his back? *shrugs*

  • XroyD

    I just want to see a new Star Fox, F zero, Ice Climbers (3ds), Kid Icarus (U), Metroid, Pokemon (U), and some others… Although Mario is pretty good

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      F-Zero and Ice Climbers are the least likely you’ll see happen.

      • boynhisblobs

        Yet both would gather the most attention. Why not just do it Nintendo? The fans would eat it up, even for mediocre games like Kid Icarus on 3ds.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Ice Climbers I’ve tried before and it wasn’t that awesome to me. F-Zero on the other hand was bad ass for it’s time. If anything, F-Zero would be the more likely to get remade, that is if Nintendo gets their head out of their asses and quit using the same franchises each generation.

          I love Nintendo, but I also hate their dumb strategies and decisions of late.

      • XroyD

        Yeah, but F-zero actually would sell some consoles I think

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Not nearly enough, however. It never was a system seller. That’s what Mario has been there for, but even that can get old over time. I’d say it would get moderate sales at least.

  • Luke Fon Fabre

    I actually don’t mind them releasing a bunch of mario games in one setting. Hell I’m know that I will buy Super Mario 3d world anyway. I Loved how 3d Land played on the 3ds and 3d world is insured on my list of WiiU games to buy along side WWHD since I never had the chance to really own and play it fully.

    • Luke Fon Fabre

      I’m also planning on buying other Wiiu games that they showed off during E3 as well, So far a am very satisfied with the titles coming for WiiU and I already planned on buying a WiiU later on in the year.

  • DemonRoach

    They should of Just called Wii U something like “Mario Dream Machine” so some shit like that.

  • pandaman27

    Why don’t they make an epic, 3D adventure game and just insert Mario into it? They can call it “Super Mario Galaxy 3″.

    • Sora Morp

      problem is galaxy was a bit to linear. More open like 64

      • pandaman27

        I agree with you 100000%, but I don’t think Nintendo will ever put their main mascot in something as trailblazing and risky as Super Mario 64 ever again. At least Mario Galaxy has some edge to it, much unlike Cat Mario 2 1/2D land.

        • Sora Morp

          its a shame cause it could actually work

  • Antar Rodríguez

    i wasnt expecting a game like super mario 3d world, nor did i wanted a new super mario galaxy, i was rather expecting something like mario sunshine or mario 64, an open world 3d mario game in wich you are free to do as you please, enter the worlds you want, i like mario games but i just dont like the road they are taking, each time more limited (notice in super mario 3d world trailer you have timers to clear the stage)

  • DemonRoach
  • Sora Morp

    We need alot More luigi we only got luigis mansion 2 and Luigi U(Still similar to the previous game) and dream team…you still play as mario. Now we need a 3D only Luigi game and…a waluigi game? Less mario please

  • PS4/WiiU

    I don’t mind at all! In fact I am happy that they are making this much Mario games. I buy every single one of them. Although instead of super Mario 3d world I would have loved a Mario open world game. But, I like Zelda more than Mario so if all of this is preventing the new Zelda game, I wouldn’t like it. I would also love a new star fox, Metroid and Kirby. And most of all, F-ZERO!!!!

    • Sora Morp

      exactly

  • John Raybell
    • Luna Moonfang

      Jesus fuck! [2]
      I mean, really o.o’ – that’s creepy and…kinda disgusting at the same time…

      • John Raybell

        yeah so fucking fucked up

  • Aleks

    BOO. Its not new IP if theres STILL pipes to go in, and turtles to jump on and frilly pink princesses :P P.S. in 2013 your new 4 player mario should b ONLINE- via the INTERNET- you know the thing MILLIONS of people are connected by all over the world. THAT would b more FUN than a cat power up suit.

    • oontz

      I really don’t think nintendo knows how to implement online multiplayer properly. Even Nintendo land should have online multiplayer. You’re right, it’s 2013. If a game has multiplayer it should be online and offline.

  • Ratatat

    “You could call all the games that we’re making here new IP in the sense that they’re new gameplay experiences. They just happen to also have the IP that people associate with.”

    I do love Nintendo, and the majority of the time they release well done games, but this statement kinda annoys me a little. I enjoy seeing Mario just as much as the next guy but if they can make a different game, with a different universe then do it – don’t just shove the mechanics to Mario. You could say this for loads of different games, to give an example – Naughty Dogs’ ‘The Last of Us’. It does have a few new mechanics but it does also feel a lot like ‘Uncharted’. So should they have just shoved the mechanics into a new ‘Uncharted’ game? No. Instead they have created a whole new world.

    Nintendo are trying to innovate with some new gameplay ideas – so why not create a new world and story to go with it? I think the Market is getting a little saturated with Mario at the minute and the story is obviously always the same – Princess Peach being captured etc. Very minimal story. A new IP shouldn’t be just gameplay experiences but story and characters and the world created too. It’s not just this but after a while i’m just going to get sick of the sight of Mario and long for something different. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that ‘The Last of Us’ is a damn good IP and it isn’t just another ‘Uncharted’. It would be nice if Nintendo tried to do something different. They said something about if it’s a different Genre it could call for a new IP, but it doesn’t have to be. You can make another platformer with some different mechanics and it doesn’t have to be Mario. Shake things up a little. Create a different world, maybe one with a bit more story and character focus.

    Nintendo still release quality games so i’m not trying to bash them, and I know the games will be good. Just a little frustrating.

  • Inzanoflex

    i need a fucking F-zero game for god sake nintendo, make this happen once and for all!!!!!! goddammit!!!!!!

    • fireheartis1

      Yah a new F-Zero would be freaking awesome.

      • Inzanoflex

        30 players online, badass story, new engine, HD graphics, new gimmick controls, tv off play, badass music, plz nintendo all the possibilities are in the console, let the other franchise make entrance as well.

    • PS4/WiiU

      YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! F-ZERO GX was one of my favorite games ever!

  • fireheartis1

    You know what I would like to see Nintendo do? I would like to see them finally finish Project hammer. That game was going to be awesome, and for what reason they stopped the production of that game is beyond me. It would have made an awesome Wii title. Let’s see them make it for the Wii U with GamePad controls then. To promise a new IP like that but then never release it really sucks. I wanted to play that game so bad it’s not funny.

  • Johny

    i completely support and approve nintendo with this message

  • Arthur Jarret

    Such a BS excuse.

    If I’m watching a cartoon with Donald Duck in it – I’m not wondering why they didn’t use Mickey instead.

    If I’m watching Daffy Duck, I never wonder… why didn’t they use bugs bunny here?

    That being said – I love mario games and this is a first day buy for me.

  • TheNameisUchiha

    Wii U News Post: Why did not they just use Mario? Hmm.. I believe it should be the following, “Why did they not just use Mario? Correct me if I’m wrong. The word Why: signifies a question. The word They: Is the pronoun aka Nintendo. Oh, I think I get it, based on the meaning the author wants to convey to his/her audience he/she could have used either wording. I think it makes sense if I split the words “did not they” from the rest of the sentence. The first example “did not” means an action did not happen. The second example “did they not” is asking the question, was an action performed by them or not. Therefore, based on the context of the post, I believe the author wanted to express what a common Wii U Daily member and Nintendo fan would say if he/she was in this situation. The situation being that if Nintendo has their biggest selling marketing IP, or Mario, and instead decides to use something like a Gomba in what should be a Mario game. For example, making a game called Super Gomba Galaxy 3 instead of the next Mario Galaxy game. The fans would be complaining. Going back to the wording issue, a Nintendo fan would not be asking “did Nintendo replace Mario with a Gomba in the Mario Galaxy franchise or did they not”. (remember this based on the context of the post. I am sure if this happened a lot of people would be asking this question) Instead, I believe the author expects his/her readers to say something like this, “Why did Nintendo replace its best selling Marketing IP, aka. Mario, with a Gomba?

  • Michael Ocampo

    I really don’t care how many Mario games they make as long as each one is pretty unique when compared to the others and that they don’t release them a lot of

    • Michael Ocampo

      In a short timeframe so my wallet isn’t waving the white flag.

  • The True Gamer

    I think Nintendo’s constant Mario games have destroyed their respect in most of the gaming community. While each game differs, they recently have focused only on a young audience, and reduced the challenge to nearly none. Games like NSMBWii and Galaxy 2 and Sunshine were challenging. Nintendo can’t justify isolating a community of fans in favor of appealing to a the younger crowds.

  • howling_wolf1334:[

    Hey, u forgot mention F-Zero!!!

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    Well if they have been around this long regardless of what people want from them, they must be doing something right. I do agree that they need to take more risks and put out some new IPs and cater better to 3rd parties.

    Of course, step one, is to get people to buy a Wii U. Don’t know how they’ll do it right now with the trouble they’re in, but I’m certain they’ll figure out a way.

  • oontz

    A new RC Pro am would be AMAZING!!

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    Shitty half-assed, little creativity comment again. Try again.