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Spike’s Xbox focus casts Nintendo’s ‘no E3′ decision in a new light

With the long hype train to E3 now finally, painfully, tangibly entering its last stretch of track, we’re getting a much more solid idea of how we’ll all be consuming the big happenings from the show floor and the company conferences. Of course some of us will be there in the flesh to experience things first hand, but most of us (myself included) aren’t so lucky and will be watching from home.

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Last week E3 announced that Spike TV will be the show’s official broadcast partner, delivering all-access footage across TV, web, tablets and smartphones. Spike will also have “exclusive access to the highly anticipated XBOX and EA press showcases featuring ground-breaking news, gaming trailers and demos”. Spike’s had a long-standing deal with Microsoft, acting as the exclusive broadcaster of their E3 press conference for the last few years and of course exclusively carrying the recent Xbox One reveal.

Even with the Xbox stuff being exclusive to Spike, one would imagine the official broadcast would still include all the Sony and Nintendo stuff right? Well not exactly.

Geoff Keighley has confirmed that Sony’s big PS4 reveal and press conference will not be broadcast on Spike, apparently owing to the conference’s late start time. Call me cynical, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it had less to do with programming pressures and more to do with swaying the coverage to Microsoft. If you take a look at Spike’s current program listings you’ll see several hours of E3 coverage from 9am to 2.30pm PDT, encapsulating the Microsoft and EA conferences. Then at 6pm, when the Sony conference will be gearing up, Spike will be showing Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story.

Yes, we’re to believe a rerun of 2004’s most ball-pun filled slapstick comedy is of more interest to people than the first public outing of the PlayStation 4.

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Of course schedules are subject to change, and in any case, all of this will have little impact on us game fans. All the conferences will of course be streamed and live-blogged by all the usual outlets.

Yet in terms of reaching a broader audience, that guy or girl or family who might not have even considered picking a new piece of hardware since 2007, this broadcast business puts each of the big three in very different situations.

No matter what happens that first day of official E3 coverage is bound to belong to Microsoft, EA and other third parties, meaning Xbox One will be reaching more people off the bat than any other device or game that will be at the show. The general public’s first exposure to the new PlayStation then is likely to be through traditional news media, which could swing either way depending on how the company presents itself. After a previous event dedicated to games, Sony’s E3 could conceivably be all about wider appeal, and the official broadcast will no doubt pick up the games announcements on the second day of coverage.

But what about Nintendo? Well obviously their conference has no place on Spike since they’re not intending to hold one. Avid game fans will be able to see all of Nintendo’s announcements via Nintendo Direct broadcasts, while the company is taking a slightly different approach to the mass market. All of Nintendo’s immediately upcoming software will be available for press and attendees to play at E3, and in addition Nintendo is setting up a series of press-only hands-on events. This means that while the news media will be reporting whatever they understand of Sony’s press conference, they will also have personal, experiential takes on the games Nintendo is bringing to market, as well as the of Wii U itself.

Further to that Nintendo is making some of its E3 software available to the general public at Best Buy stores. This move should not be overlooked in its potential to drive mass media news stories and product awareness. If Nintendo plays its cards right it could pack those stores full of game enthusiasts and kids dragging their parents to get hands on with Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3 or even a new 3D Mario platformer.

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So while the decision to remove themselves somewhat from E3’s official proceedings initially came off as a little wacky, we’re now a week out and Nintendo seems to be in a pretty good place to speak to that elusive casual audience. We’ll ultimately have to wait and see, but given the focus E3’s official broadcast partner and mass media gateway seems to be giving to Microsoft and its new device, it could even turn out that opting out of the glitzy press conference was as good as dodging a bullet for the Big N and for the Wii U.

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  • Rob Lucci

    Remember when G4/Tech TV was a thing?

    • CP9Kaku

      Lucci, what are you doing here?

  • discuss

    I don’t think a few best buy stores will make a noticeable difference. They should go for the big audience at E3. However not properly participating in the E3 really follows their current flow of mismanagement.

    • Cameron

      They are participating at E3, they’re just letting their games be playable instead of cramming a couple thousand people in a room and telling them what games are coming. I see this as both a smart and stupid move on Nintendo, but we’ll see how it plays out.

      • D.M.T

        Spike TV will not air Nintendo or Sony’s conference on TV so i don’t see it as a stupid move. Why spend so much money on something that only the hardcore gamers will watch? Just do Nintendo Directs that’s better.

        • Cameron

          I meant stupid as it was somewhat bad publicity. The way they worded it, it made it sound to some like they weren’t going to show at all. I actually can see this being tons more successful than a traditional conference. If it goes well I bet Sony does it in 2014.

          • Link

            No they were clear from the start they would be at E3 and hosting their own Nintendo Directs. It was just stupid people who didn’t even both to read articles and just looked at stupid thread titles that made that assumption which then became wide spread.

    • D.M.T

      You really think that E3 is a bigger audience than 100 Best Buy stores? Really dude? Lol. And they are participating at E3, they just wont do a boring conference.

      • discuss

        Yeah why botter with a lot of press (=advertisement) when you can reach a few hundred people at best with some dumb shop action, right?
        I see a really lot of people around here don’t have the slightest clue about marketing.

        • D.M.T

          So you’re saying that Nintendo doesn’t know anything about Marketing? You actually think you know more about marketing than Nintendo? Really? Nintendo know what they are doing and I understand why they do things. It doesn’t make sense to you now but you will understand later.

          • http://MacroManJr.blogspot.com/ Brian Lockett

            Is that why Nintendo caused mass confusion among average consumers with the name “Wii U” which didn’t convey a strong enough difference to many people as being a different product from “Wii” and not merely some add-on controller?

            Or maybe it’s why Nintendo merely sent an online message to the Wii explaining the Wii U in some more detail, almost six months later, despite the fact that the average Wii own probably doesn’t even use their Wii online much anymore by this point?

            Or is it why stores all across the globe have been selling the Wii U at a price cut and special bundles just to sell the Wii U off their shelves, but most people still either currently don’t have much familiarity with Wii U or much interest in Wii U?

            Or maybe it’s why Nintendo themselves admitted they failed to create sufficient momentum for the Wii U and they haven’t sold their sales target because of the Wii U’s poor introduction?

            I love Nintendo, but they’re not infallible. Even they’ve admitted how much they’ve been botching the Wii U’s marketing thus far. You don’t have to be a professional economist or marketer to see how much Nintendo needs to change their momentum for Wii U with this E3.

            Be a fan, not a fanboy.

          • D.M.T

            It’s not the first time that Nintendo chooses a similar name for their succesor. Remember NES and SNES? How many people were confused? The only people that were confused with the Wii U are casual gamers that aren’t up to date with video game news. I’m not a fan of the name Wii U but Nintendo choose that name because the Wii brand is popular and successful.

            Wii U isn’t selling much because the Wii U doesn’t have many games yet. That will change when Nintendo releases 5 exclusives this summer and when more 3rd party games are released for the system.

            Everyone makes mistakes, even professionals/experts. Nintendo needed to admit that they didnt do things right so they can learn from their mistakes. Wii U has still sold 3.5 million even with “poor introduction”. The problem is not the introduction, the problem is the lack of games.

            Like I said, Nintendo makes mistakes too but don’t act like you know more about marketing than Nintendo or don’t act like Nintendo has no clue about marketing. Everything they do is for a reason whether you agree with or not.

            I think it’s funny how you’re misusing the word fanboy. I never said I agree with everything Nintendo does, I said I understand why they do certain things. I will not bash Nintendo just to prove to you that I’m not a fanboy. I couldn’t care less about what you think of me, I know I’m not a fanboy.

        • RockGod

          E3 has sold out to SPIKE TV & by extension Microsoft! It’s now a complete sham. Plus their Nintendo Directs get excellent media exposure online with just about all sites covering them with next to no cost! Much smarter than spending a mountain of money for a conference already bought & paid for by Microsoft.

          • discuss

            In this case you have to invest money to earn money. Most people will only own 1 console and the Xbox ONE is getting a lot of attenion. This isn’t the time to be quiet. You also need to look at the long term effect. Everyone who buys an Xbox won’t be buying Wii U games.

          • RockGod

            I honestly feel sad for anyone who purchases an XBOX ONE…

          • http://MacroManJr.blogspot.com/ Brian Lockett

            Why? It was their choice, personal preference and money spent.

          • RockGod

            I meant casual purchasers that might not realize all the controversial restrictions that come with their new system.
            If you’re aware of all those things and still want it.. then I honestly hope it doesn’t disappoint you and it turns out to be everything you’d hoped it would.

      • http://MacroManJr.blogspot.com/ Brian Lockett

        a) 100 Best Buy stores reaches at least many hundreds in their respective locations, maybe several thousands if the event goes well enough. E3 reaches millions, both directly with E3 livestreams and indirectly with other news media covering highlights from the show, all around the world.

        b) That guy said that Nintendo should “properly participate” with E3, indicating that they’re aware that Nintendo will be participating, but he doesn’t agree that they’re taking necessary measures with their level of participation.

        If you’re going to refute a point, learn how to reach carefully and not react so hastily with ready disagreement.

        • D.M.T

          a) Maybe 100 Best Buy stores will only reach hundreds or thousands but those hundreds or thousands will spread the word, they will talk with their friends and family about their experience with the Wii U at Best Buy and those with cameras will make videos of the event and post them on YouTube for the world to see. So these 100 Best Buy stores will probably reach more people then you can imagine. E3 is only seen by millions of hardcore gamers, casual gamers don’t watch E3 and are not up to date with video game news. 100 Best Buys will reach hardcore gamers, casual gamers and non-gamers. Even if Nintendo won’t have a conference, you can bet that those news media will be covering Nintendo’s participation anyway.

          b) Only time will tell if Nintendo made the right decision but I understand why they decided to do things differently this time. I can see Sony and Microsoft doing the same thing that Nintendo is doing next year or in a few years.

          I used to reach carefully but then i realized how many douchebags there is on the internet so I just speak my mind

    • Shaise Mughal

      Its been mentioned so many times, they will have playable demos at E3 in the booths.

      • discuss

        And how does that effect the big audience?

    • discuss

      I see the Nintendo marketing team checked out my comment ^^

  • Link Slayer

    I’m leaning to the ps4 being the best system this upcoming generation, but I’m most excited to see what Microsoft is going to do at E3 since they left so many questions unanswered and that may be there plan all along. Right now I’m most excited about the ps4 but that could all change after e3. I hope Nintendo wins me back over and makes the Wii U appealing to me once again. I sold mine and I really hope Nintendo makes me regret it!

    • discuss

      PS4 hasn’t shown anything so far except for the system spec (which are superior to the Wii U and Xbox).

      • John Andalora

        Showed games. And they look cool!

        • Cameron

          It looked meh to me. I want fun games not cool graphics, we’ll see if Sony can muster that this year.

          • John Andalora

            To me, I’m looking forward to what was announced after the PS4 announcement.
            I’m looking forward to the new Thief, The Witness and The Evil Within particularly. However, I also enjoy the concept of Knack, and Capcoms game looks to be interesting.
            I’m not a graphics buff. I picked up a PS2 a couple of weeks ago and have used it more than any of my other consoles recently. I like the games. And those games interest me.

          • Shaise Mughal

            Yeah, thats what I want too, its all about gameplay, not graphics

        • Revolution5268

          a rip off of wii music is not cool, those games look like games that nobody even cares about and will tank.

          • John Andalora

            How about Knack? The Witness? Infamous? Destiny? Deep Down?

            And other games announced, like The Evil Within and Thief.
            It’s got a fairly good list of games announced so far.
            http://www.ps4playstation4.com/PS4-Games

          • Revolution5268

            those games are games that are new Ips that are not going to be successful. Nobody that are a playstation fan want to play those, they want “HARDCORE BLOOD GAMES FPS”.

          • John Andalora

            What exactly do you base that claim off of, considering that the list has FPS games or IPs that were already used before (Assassins Creed, Killzone, Infamous, COD:Ghosts) but also a great deal of diversity for those who want something unique.
            Also, isn’t Xbox the “bloody FPS” group?

      • http://MacroManJr.blogspot.com/ Brian Lockett

        I think the PS4’s biggest competition will be the PS3. PS4 has tech spec, but PS3 has two MGS games, plus like most games announced for PS4. How strange that Sony’s last-gen console might interfere with their own new product.

    • CSM0

      Of course, you should have just kept it, if you’re going to buy it again. Plus, the new 3d Mario game, Mario Kart, and Legend of Zelda automatically make it worth your while.

    • John Andalora

      I hear you!
      I really want to see what PS4 has in store! I hope Nintendo can impress me, but if the rumors are true, then it looks like my Wii U will remain in its box for another year.

    • bizzy gie

      Sold your Wii U? Bad choice.

    • Shaise Mughal

      Well I’m guessing those new games that are upcoming WILL make you regret it!

    • Nintedward

      Dude , I don’t understand why you would do that.

      Why didn’t you just wait until the Wiiu’s best games came out before you bought it ? Now you’ve probably wasted a load of money.
      Did you not learn from the 3DS that it takes time for the best games to come out. They don’t all just magically appear on launch day.

      • Link Slayer

        Well I was under the influence that Nintendo officially said that they learned from the mistake of the launch of the 3ds. They said that they would not have a lack of great software. So I bought it thinking I would have already played Rayman and Pikmin by now. I understand the Pikmin deal it needed to be delayed and its probably a win win on that deal. Probably a much better game by the time we get it. Yeah your right I’m going to be out a bunch of money

    • http://MacroManJr.blogspot.com/ Brian Lockett

      Don’t try to present a fair opinion reasonably here–you’re dealing with a general crowd of Nintendo fans, many of whom being fanboys/fangirls who can’t respect someone’s liking another product.

      Never mind that you said that you’re actually hoping Nintendo wins you back, and never mind if Nintendo has admittedly botch the Wii U’s introduction with a slow run of games and poor promotion–they’ll take it as a full-on assault against the infallibility of Nintendo. And don’t let the opinion come from an article writer–no, then it’s just an all-out sacrilege.

      The best thing anyone can do for something they love is be honest about it. I’ve been a Nintendo fan longer than some folks here have been alive, but I’m not going to just twist my feelings just to protect them. I’m most honest about what I love the most. It’s the best thing I can do for them.

      And personally, I haven’t enjoyed a PlayStation since PS2 and owned a PlayStation since PS1, and even I can respect the PS4. It’s a decent console strong with potential–I mean, for goodness sake, you can let your friends take over your games for you and play games right as you’re downloading them–things I wish the Wii U could do! Personally, I’m not too interested in PS4’s current lineup of games, but still, there’s nothing wrong with giving respect where it’s due.

      Frankly, I see nothing you’ve done wrong here, Randy. You were being reasonably honest about the situation with you, and if anything, you’re actually being positive towards Nintendo. But the average reader is too hasty to comprehend that fairly. A reasonable fan would’ve at least respected your comment–it’s the fanboys/fangirls who were quick to dislike your comment.

      Now, bring on those dislikes for this comment, folks. That’s what many here are quickly good at doing to a differing opinion given in a reasonable manner.

  • ancientgamer

    so nintendo isn’t having a press conference at e3 that doesn’t mean they won’t be showing off games at e3, if anything they are taking a large event n making it bigger, cant make it to e3? visit one of the 100 participating best buys!

    • Cameron

      I swear, people think they’re totally avoiding E3. Reggie, Iwata, and Miyamoto are still going to be there, just not on stage. Which might turn out to be a smarter idea.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        How can it be if “people think they are avoiding E3″? Something is clearly lost in communication here.

        • Arthur Jarret

          Yup –
          “A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”
          Bertrand Russell

          TL:DR – Stupid is as stupid does…

        • ancientgamer

          you would be surprised how uninformed ppl are, most like to just jump to conclusions

        • Elem187

          So microsoft and sony fanboys are spreading information is a bad thing?

    • JWHO

      Not even Microsoft buying out the time slots can hype up the Xbox one!!!!! Nintendo knows what there dong but I feel bad for sony o well…..TO IGN FOR E3!!!!

    • bizzy gie

      Test

  • Samuel Mungy

    I don’t think avoiding a big conference was a smart thing. Not everyone knows about Nintendo direct and Nintendo direct is targeted at people who already own a Wii U. Others will practically be left in the dark. This no-conference will do a lot more harm than good. But somehow Nintendo always manages to make it in the end so I have no worries.

    • ancientgamer

      they will still have games there to show off! the direct is mainly for wiiu/3ds owners, no conference just means no hour long seminar about the console, they still have booths n ect at e3

      • Fred

        Not me, their press conferences are boring. i love the nintendo directs

    • Cameron

      They’re still going to E3, but they’re not holding a public press conference.Instead all their games will be playable at their booth. Honestly though, I kinda wish they’d done both the conference and playable demos.

      • Samuel Mungy

        I know they’re going to have their booths but hardly anyone turns up at e3 since it’s mostly a press event. The average consumer is not going to e3 so a huge televised conference would get those who couldn’t come. I live in Tanzania and internet is not the sweetest at times. Most of my mates are gonna be left in the dark.

        • Cameron

          Wouldn’t that make it smarter to put playable demos outside E3?

          Like they’re doing?
          There’s also going to be a press-only conference to get more news out there. I guarantee Nintendo’s business will see as much coverage, if not more, than the others.

        • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

          Nintendo Direct is their conference where they can speak and show clips. The only thing missing is the on stage lighting effects and the impersonal people on stage with their wireless microphones talking as to say they are important.

          I find the Nintendo Directs more personal where I can watch on my own terms.

          • Samuel Mungy

            Basially, what I’ve been saying is that they shouldn’t just target the american gamer. It’s not me ranting on about Nintendo. I’ve never owned anything but Nintendo consoles. But Nintendo must know what they’re doing and that’s why they’ve lasted this long.

    • Ray01x

      Uh, you do know that there’s this lovely thing called TV advertisement that is much more effective than having 1 painfully long & boring E3 Conference.
      And there are E3 demos in Best buys, so people will be exposed to it during E3 week.
      Sony’s E3 show is not even being televised on Spike & they have a new console to show off…
      Nintendo doesn’t need a televised E3, they need to advertise more through TV commercials, Internet ads, etc. It’s a much more effective method.

      • Samuel Mungy

        TV adverts have shown a trend of losing effectiveness in the 2000’s as people prefer word of mouth. Plus, swaying xbox and playstation fans will be difficult if there’s no large medium drive. E3 will alwalys remain the best way at targeting hardcore gamers while ads normally suffice for casuals. Anyway, I was just voicing my opinion. No need to be offended.

        • Ray01x

          Well, Nintendo Directs are for the ‘hardcore gamer’…
          I see where you’re coming from, but if hardcore gamers really want a reason to buy a Wii U, they would watch Nintendo’s E3 Directs to see if they see something that tickles their fancy. (I’m pretty sure that all ‘hardcore’ gamers know about NDirects).
          Anyone who doesn’t even try to give Nintendo a chance & see what they have to show are just your typical haters, Xbots, & Sony Drones that would never have switched sides regardless.

      • Guest

        Oh yeah. Nintendo’s doing great with that, huh?
        There’s just SOOOO many television advertisements for Wii U now. I’m astounded at how successfully Nintendo’s TV advertisements work SOOOOOO well!

        • Cameron

          They actually have come out and said the U was doing badly in sales due to a lack of games and advertising. From what I’ve heard they plan a blitzkreig of ads throughout Q3.

        • Ray01x

          Yeah, you’re right!
          Nintendo will NEVER Advertise the Wii U. Especially after E3 or when their 1st-party games that are worth advertising come out.
          Nope.
          Nintendo not advertising the Wii U when it doesn’t have many must-have games at the moment means Nintendo will NEVER Advertise the Wii U.
          Wii U is DOOMED!. . . . . . . . . . . . .moron.

  • Cameron

    My prediction is as follows:
    PS4 will be the top-seller of the gen

    Wii U pick up more speed once it gets more games out

    The Xbone will bomb, but not nearly as bad as people predict, and sell pretty well later on

    And the Ouya will do something.

    Honestly I’m already sick of the next-gen console war, and am dreading E3 more than I am excited for it.Once it’s over I’m sure the war will pick up though…

    • Shaise Mughal

      But the PS4 will be expensive

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        That is true but as long as they stay focused on Games first it will sell. Nintendo knows that it is not and will not be the sole console in many (if not most) households. To sell a gaming console you just need games both first, second, and third party. This has been Nintendo’s biggest issue with the Wii U. Had they had a top IP ready at launch it would have stayed strong. The Wii had Twilight Princess at launch and even though that was both for GC and Wii it was a big reason the initial sales were so strong and stayed strong. That and Wii Sports was a revolution in gaming despite how simple it was. Nintendo Land and SMB U could not achieve that this time around.

        I knew that the games would come and even though I am disappointed at some delays and lack of information I know that in this case good things come to those who have patience. I have not even touched my other consoles since I got the Wii U but I need to get back to the few XBOX 360 games I have to complete so I can retire that system.

    • D.M.T

      PS4 will be the top seller if it’s affordable but most Sony products are expensive so I think that Wii U has potential to sell more than the PS4.

      Plus Wii U is backwards compatible, PS4 isnt so for a lot of people it wont make sense to buy a PS4 if they can still buy games for their PS3.

      Xbox One will fail in my opinion. Ouya will fail too.

      • John Andalora

        How many people bought a Wii U to play Wii games on it? Honestly?
        I know that Backwards compatibility seems like a plus, but it really doesn’t matter a great deal. If people like the old console games, then I’d think they’d just keep the old console.

        I think the Wii U will definitely sell better than Xbox One and Ouya. I agree on that one. With PS4 Vs. Wii U, it’s hard to be sure. I think it’s really going to be based on a few years after their releases, and how each console does with the games they release.

        • D.M.T

          You don’t get it. Look…no one bought a Wii U for Wii games but you can EASILY sell your Wii and keep your games. Why? Because Wii U is backwards compatible, you can keep your favorite Wii games. Sony gamers cannot just replace their PS3 with a PS4 because PS4 doesnt play PS3 games. Most PS4 games are also coming to PS3 so there’s no reason really to buy a PS4 at lauch unless you want PS4’s slightly better looking launch games.

          Most people cannot afford having 2 consoles so they need to choose between keeping their PS3 or selling it to buy a PS4. if I was a Sony gamer I would keep my PS3 for 1 more year at least because PS3 is getting most games that PS4 is getting plus a few more games that PS4 isn’t getting at all like Saints Row 4, GTA 5, Rayman Legends etc.

          • John Andalora

            Yeah, cause that $40 from GameStop is really going to go somewhere.

            Honestly, who buys old consoles when the new ones are being launched? Gamestop is just barely holding onto Wii games because Wii is selling more in recent months than the Wii U. Most people wouldn’t be dumb enough to buy a console on its way out, and if they did, it wouldn’t be at any kind of price that would finance the new one. Our house did the same thing with N64 and Gamecube, and I never understood why we sold them. We never got anything from selling them that would help. Certainly not enough to justify selling them.
            (That was when the consoles were family owned, and not just mine.)

            Also, I don’t own a PS3, so buying one at the new console launch makes little sense.

            So, it would just be a better choice for all gamers to hold onto their consoles while getting the other one.
            Thus, making backwards compatibility pointless.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            John Andalora

            “Honestly, who buys old consoles when the new ones are being launched?”

            Is that why the PS2 outsold the PS3 for at least 2 years after the PS3 launch??

          • John Andalora

            The point was that you can sell your console, but you’re damn sure not going to make a good enough price on it to purchase the next one up, so you may as well keep it.
            Read the whole thing or go home.

          • D.M.T

            LOL…arguing with you is more pointless than backwards compatibility because you never understand what people are saying. Your comment didnt make sense at all but hey believe whatever you want

          • John Andalora

            First off, let me say that I’m glad you agree with me that BC is pointless.
            But. the rest didn’t make sense to you?
            Let me explain it slower. So even you can understand.

            You want to sell your Wii to get a Wii U? Well people aren’t going to buy it for very much.
            So, you could just keep it to play your old games, Nintendo could stop making consoles BC, and all consoles would cost less.

            I hope that makes sense to you.

          • D.M.T

            No I didn’t agree with you about BC being pointless. I just used your logic to make fun of your comment. Let me explain one last thing to you because arguing with you is pointless.

            I don’t care if people won’t give me a lot of money for my Wii, I just want to get rid of my Wii because I don’t need it anymore. I’m not a collector of game consoles so I don’t want to have a Wii and a Wii U get it? I just want 1 system under my TV. You can keep bitching about BC but we are happy that Wii U is BC.

          • John Andalora

            When all you do is insult, talking to you is hardly an “argument” more than you just shutting your ears and saying “NUH UH!”

            Having a Wii to play Wii games doesn’t make you a “game collector.”
            And if you want the ability to play Wii games, then it should be up to you to make the effort to play those games. Not something everyone else has to purchase just because you don’t care to keep a console you want to play games on.
            Stop crying and just keep the last damn console.

          • D.M.T

            I’m not insulting you, I just think you’re not making any sense and your nonsense is funny to me. You’re the one shutting your ears and saying nuh uh lol.

            Listen, I don’t need or want 2 separate consoles when I can just have 1 that plays next-gen and last gen games. I don’t care if you don’t like BC, you are the minority. No one else complains about it.

            You’re telling me to stop crying? LOL I’m already playing Wii games on Wii U dude, I have nothing to cry about. I won’t play Wii games on Wii just because you want to. Get real and mind your own business. Your bitching and moaning on Wii U Daily is funny and pathetic at the same time. Your unhappiness with Nintendo doesn’t affect me or anyone on Wii U Daily.

          • John Andalora

            Well I don’t want one console that costs more if people make an option to play the old games. If other people want to play old games, they should have to pay for it. Simple.
            BC is a copout for consoles to try and mooch off of past consoles. The success of the past console was that it progressed farther and used their time and efforts making new and innovative games.
            It wasn’t about allowing people to play games from
            The first one. No one ever remembers a console for the fact that it had BC. They remember it for what was specific to the console: what pushed the borders of gameplay and stretched the very power of video games.
            We should spend more time and money on the new stuff: not on allowing crybabies to play the old games on the new console cause they “don’t want to have two consoles.”

            I don’t care to talk to you anymore. Most of your argument is based on how you think what I say is pathetic, which is about as substantial as slamming your hand on the keyboard a couple of times.
            Take care.

          • D.M.T

            I’m glad you dont want to talk to me anymore.

        • Dimitra Giorgiou

          i bought one.

          • John Andalora

            Was the main purpose to play Wii games, or Wii U games?

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            How about both… I know it is hard concept for you since you have all this space and disposable money to throw at devices that only do one thing

          • John Andalora

            If money is really a concern and you only want to play Wii games, why not just buy another Wii?
            Apparently that’s too difficult for people.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Are you really that dense?? Some people want to play both and not have to have two consoles and two sets of controllers to do it. Or have to go through and sync a controller back and forth between the consoles.

            It’s about convenience.

            Speaking of convenience it has become inconvenient to reply to you as your level of lack of comprehension of simple items is hurting my brain.

            Good Day

          • John Andalora

            Some people.
            But most people aren’t that stupid or pathetic to be unable to simply take one out and put in another.

            Don’t make me pay more because you need all your new consoles to play games you already have a console for but your own incompetence forces you to choose one.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Yeah, Nintendo’s $300 console that has all this compatibility and convenience is so much more than paying $500 for a console that you have to keep the console past to keep playing games you already have.

            You really are special aren’t you..

            Oh and I said GOOD DAY

            Buh Bye Now!!

          • John Andalora

            You don’t get the point of “Good-bye,” do you?

            I guess that’s why you don’t understand me.

            I’ll go slower and simpler so even someone like you can understand.

            The Wii U adds features you could just use an old consolefor.
            Therefore, it costs more to make.
            THEREFORE, it costs more to buy.
            If Wii U didn’t have backwards compatibility, it’d be $25 cheaper already,and Nintendo would have had more time to make more games.

            I hope you understood that.

            Now, get out.
            You’ve told me you’re done three times now. This is just getting silly. I hope I don’t have to tell you how to turn off your computer.

          • MTGSWE

            OOOOHHH 25 bucks cheaper. That’s so much money :O.
            Nintendo has taken their time with games. Nintendo manufacture department does not make games.

            Developers at nintendo are not the ones building the Wii U so the game development does not halt. They have been making most games for several years already. Like Pikmin 3!

            It’s called polish. Making the games perfect. That’s why those nintendo games are not out yet.

          • John Andalora

            Nintendo as a whole shares the same money. Their budgets all come from the same source.
            And think about this.
            Suppose Nintendo has created 4 million Wii U consoles, and that lens reader costs $25 more to read older games.
            that’s $100 million that could’ve been used in many other pursuits. That could’ve been advertising of the new console, bigger budgets for other games, working on anything better and new.
            To me, that’s better than allowing me to play games I already beat.

            As for all of us, in a world so concerned about costs and how price matters, $25 less goes a long way, and people will look at things like that.

            It’s called “wasting resources on frivolous things.” If Nintendo didn’t add that BC stuff, they’d be able to use the money for more things that would be even more impressive.

          • RockGod

            Good move Bob. This guy has no clue, i’m starting to think he’s just a troll.

          • RockGod

            Main Purpose = it does both! do you even realise how stupid you’re coming off as?

          • John Andalora

            The main purpose should be to build off of what it did before, not have me play the before over and over again while I wait for the new.
            A console that has BC only holds a console back. Just let the Wii U be something different and let it build as its own thing. Spend time making something different and stop wasting money on what people already have in their homes.

          • RockGod

            I invested a ton of money into my Wii collection, so being able to access all those games still is a huge plus! I also invest quite a bit in Wii U games as well. i spent my money not FOR but to replace what i already had in my home with a far superior product. If you wanna argue about BC in a home console then you’re gonna be in for a losing battle because you’re the only person i’ve heard bashing it anywhere. ( other than MS downplaying it for damage control )

          • John Andalora

            Oh. Did you lose your Wii? Did it break?
            If you didn’t, you’d still have pretty good “access” to your games.
            Maybe you spend money to replace what you had, but I just spend it for new games. If i really like the old ones so much, I’ll just keep the old console and let the company make better things rather than spend time on allowing me to play old games on a new console.

          • RockGod

            OK now you just sound ignorant. I do not need to use a Wii anymore. My Wii U does it all and I for one am very happy it does. It is an added value that all modern GAMES consoles should have. It’s just plain LAZY not to include it when these companies know they have dedicated customers who spent their money on their products. It’s called supporting your fans, but maybe you can’t understand that as it sounds like you prefer a rival console where fan support does not exist.

          • John Andalora

            If you really care for your fans, you make more and more exciting and interesting games that made them fans in the first place. You don’t just say “HEY! We know you’re waiting for games, so let’s make sure you can play all the old games you already played before!”
            A true gift to any fan is by spending all your time in future endeavors: Not by trying to mooch off the past.

            If you want to play your old games, and if you are a true “fan” of it, then keeping the console shouldn’t be a big deal if it means that companies will focus more on making new things rather than just clutching on to the success of the past.

        • Assassinated23

          My Wii actually stopped reading disks shortly before the Wii U launch, so it was a major plus for me.

          • John Andalora

            Your problem makes a lot of sense, and if the same thing happened to me, I’d have done the same.
            But, like I’ve asked on others, did you buy a Wii U for Wii U games, or just for Wii games?
            I mean, if you just wanted Wii games, why not just fix the Wii?

          • Cameron

            That might have costed more than a new one, if you could even find someone willing to do the fixing. I know a friend who got a Wii U for that reason alone.

            You can keep asking people if they really think backwards compatibility matters, but face it, if the PS4 had it you wouldn’t be trolling this site with that argument would you?

          • John Andalora

            I got my Wii fixed with a disc reading error for $100 by a company sponsored by Nintendo.
            So, your friends Wii U cost less than fixing the Wii or getting a new one? And he just bought it for Wii games?

            And, yes, if PS4 had Backwards compatibility I would still argue with people that it’s unnecessary. It’s because I think backwards compatibility is stupid. It’s just a cheap gimmick that people attempt to call a selling point because people don’t want to just keep their old consoles.
            I certainly don’t care to buy a PS4 for PS3 games. If I want to play PS3 games, I’ll buy a used one.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Must be nice to have all that money, space, and a TV with all these inputs so you can connect all your devices individually. Typically TVs only have 2-4 inputs on them and there is only so much space around the TV to put the things you want connected. I guess I think why pay more to buy two devices when one can do the job just as well.

          • John Andalora

            It is.
            My $250 32 inch TV has 2 HDMI inputs, an AV and Component, computer, and camera input.
            As for space, that’s why most consoles recently stand up. And, if I really want to keep a console but want to play it later, I set it up later. All it is is connecting to the TV and outlet. Not that difficult.
            And of course, why spend money for two when one does the job? Because forcing everyone to pay more for a product that only plays both for a fringe group that want to play old games but not keep the console is ignorant and will only hurt sales, especially if people buy the console for the new things rather than the old things.
            Next thing you know, people will complain about how the PS4 can’t play Xbox One games.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Now you are just being ridiculous. You may think people that want to play “old” games is a fringe group but classic gaming is pretty big market which is why people go out of their way to find emulators to play games of console past.

            Maybe (we can hope) with this shift in processor architecture change that future consoles will keep the same chip architecture in the future and retain that compatibility.

          • John Andalora

            I am a classic gamer. I own 11 different video game systems.
            But “backwards compatibility” isn’t
            “Classic gaming.”

            Look, if they want to play the last console, then BUY THE LAST CONSOLE!

            Why should I have to pay more for new consolesfor other people to play past games? If I want a console, I’ll go and buy it. If I want GameCube games, I don’t tell Nintendo to add backwards compatibility for their new console. I go out and pay the damn $25 it takes to get a GameCube.

            If people are going to whine about how they can’t play past games on a new console but aren’t willing to just keep the old console, then it’ll
            Fall on deaf ears. If people want to “classic game,” then let them go out and get the console.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            You do what you want but having backwards compatibility is a value to many. Maybe not you but to others it is. Since Nintendo kept the same PowerPC processor architecture and used the same Wii dashboard it really did not raise the cost of the console much if it raised the cost at all.

            I suppose you believe that BluRay players should not have been compatible with DVDs.. Heck who wants to watch their old movies again and if you do you buy a DVD player and a BluRay player. If you run out of inputs or TVs to put the stuff on just buy more TVs, an expensive AV switch box or remove and plug in those other devices effectively causing more wear and tear on the connectors so when the quality decreases you can just buy new cables or devices. Or don’t you think that friction of plugging and unplugging causes any wear on the device connectors or the cables.

            Engineers spend countless hours on making devices that do more than one thing so people have the convenience of having one device to do the work of many. Apparently you are not one of those people and rather have your tools and products just do one thing. I guess that is cool for you.

            Oh and FYI I have many systems too going all the way back to my Atari 2600 which still works. Some of the old games I have on cartridge I have repurchased for the convenience of having them on hand.

          • John Andalora

            Nintendo kept the same architecture, but what about the Discs? The Wii optical discs had two different types of layers on their discs: A single layer and a double layer. This means that there are little grooves inside the grooves of discs that carry memory. The single layer of the Wii U, however, holds more and can use more than the Wii. However, having that double grooved disc requires a bit more for reading the disc, and will generally cost more because of getting the parts necessary to read it.

            No, I keep the DVD player I have (cause I still have one) and buy a Blu-Ray for cheaper. If I have a DVD player, I don’t care to buy another one with a Blu-Ray attached. And, if someone wanted both a DVD and Blu-Ray now, I’d tell them to either get one or the other, or get both. But I don’t think that, (in a Video game style market) that I should have to pay more money so I can buy one big console with both and no way of just buying the first one. You like the last one so much? Keep it.

            You know what I do when I have something plugged in but I want to play something different? I unplug the first thing and plug in the second.

            I don’t bitch and moan about how “I can’t plug in all my things because there’s too few spots.” I put on my big boy pants and decide that since I can’t use the TV for everything, I unplug something and put something else in.

            “Wear and Tear?” Never have I once had a problem like that. And I have items from 40 years ago that still work just fine and have no connection issues. As someone who owns an Atari 2600 that still works, I’m shocked that wear and tear is a big issue to you.

            Backwards compatibility is a joke. If you like the old one, keep the old one. If you didn’t buy the old one, there’s numerous cheap models out there you can buy. Go buy one of those. You are a collector of sorts, and you can tell me how simple it is to just go and buy one. I buy a console for its line of games: Not to play games from a different generation. I don’t buy a PS2 to play PS games. I didn’t buy the Wii for GameCube games. I buy it for what it is.

          • John Andalora

            I don’t know about you, but I can hardly see the new posts. I think if we would like to continue this scathing discussion further, we might wish to make a new post for it.

            In the meantime, my response to your last comment on this section… (cause I can’t read it)

            Nintendo kept the same architecture, but what about the Discs? The Wii optical discs had two different types of layers on their discs: A single layer and a double layer. This means that there are little grooves inside the grooves of discs that carry memory. The single layer of the Wii U, however, holds more and can use more than the Wii. However, having that double grooved disc requires a bit more for reading the disc, and will generally cost more because of getting the parts necessary to read it.

            No, I keep the DVD player I have (cause I still have one) and buy a Blu-Ray for cheaper. If I have a DVD player, I don’t care to buy another one with a Blu-Ray attached. And, if someone wanted both a DVD and Blu-Ray now, I’d tell them to either get one or the other, or get both. But I don’t think that, (in a Video game style market) that I should have to pay more money so I can buy one big console with both and no way of just buying the first one. You like the last one so much? Keep it.

            You know what I do when I have something plugged in but I want to play something different? I unplug the first thing and plug in the second.

            I don’t bitch and moan about how “I can’t plug in all my things because there’s too few spots.” I put on my big boy pants and decide that since I can’t use the TV for everything, I unplug something and put something else in.

            “Wear and Tear?” Never have I once had a problem like that. And I have items from 40 years ago that still work just fine and have no connection issues. As someone who owns an Atari 2600 that still works, I’m shocked that wear and tear is a big issue to you.

            Backwards compatibility is a joke. If you like the old one, keep the old one. If you didn’t buy the old one, there’s numerous cheap models out there you can buy. Go buy one of those. You are a collector of sorts, and you can tell me how simple it is to just go and buy one. I buy a console for its line of games: Not to play games from a different generation. I don’t buy a PS2 to play PS games. I didn’t buy the Wii for GameCube games. I buy it for what it is.

          • RockGod

            I bought my Wii U to play Wii U games. My purchase was solidified by the fact that it would also play my 70+ Wii games and my 60+ VC & WiiWare titles. BC is a big deal to any serious gamer. my question to you is why keep or fix a Wii when Wii U does it all?

          • John Andalora

            Maybe I’m just the only one in existence who doesn’t think that being able to play my old games on a new console instead of the company making things for the new game console is a selling point, but I’d honestly just use the older console for the older games, and then have the people who make the console use the time, effort, and money for making other improvements and games with it.

          • RockGod

            Their doing exactly that dude! Just with the added benefit of having BC as well. that seems to be where you’re getting stuck, you seem to think doing both is impossible.

          • John Andalora

            No they aren’t. Wasting any time and effort on making BC is taking away from their time and effort to make other things.

          • RockGod

            The BC is a done deal… it’s not taking any of their time. ALL their time is being spent making other things the best they can be… hence why you don’t see big name Nintendo titles right now. They will not rush a project out until it’s ready, Nintendo puts a lot more effort into the quality and polish of their games than other devs & pubs do. You can rest assured that once whatever games you’re looking forward to are released… they will be a quality and finished product.
            The point is the fact that they included BC is not effecting their release schedule at all.

          • John Andalora

            It took time to add it in. That’s less time and money on other affairs.
            Frankly, I think Nintendo just is a poor planner. They should’ve planned earlier for more things, making more games to spread out throughout the whole year so that people wouldn’t feel any kind of drought at all. Nintendo does put time into their games, but if a new console is coming out, I’d expect more games from the company that makes it to be planned out in order to show 3rd party people how to make a game for it and make sure that the console doesn’t have a massive drought throughout the year. Yeah, games take time, but I’d think the company would have at least started planning earlier to insure that the console gets off the ground and is constantly holding peoples attention with new games.

          • RockGod

            Listen John, I still own most of my old consoles as well, so as you said I can play the titles that I still have for them. What I would prefer though is to have those retro titles available on one new console by means of last gen BC and gens previous to that available on a service like VC!
            One console compatible with all my past console games and with added features is another plus, but convenience is indeed another big bonus. I would like very much not to HAVE TO keep my old consoles anymore. Nintendo isn’t to that point yet, but I think their getting there, and I hope they continue to add and improve on it.
            Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences, and you are no different. I respect your opinion even if I don’t personally agree with it. You do seem a bit harsh on Nintendo, if you do not appreciate the console then for your sake I hope something happens to change your mind. If not i’ll wish you good luck with whatever other console you might prefer.

          • John Andalora

            Well, I DON’T care to repurchase games I’ve already purchased before only for not having to plug or unplug something in.
            I DON’T care to pay for updated versions of the games on different controllers than the original console.
            I DON’T care to throw out the hundreds of dollars of old consoles so I can buy a limited amount of the games for a different console.
            And I DON’T care to have certain games weeded out from the group of potential games I can play just because they aren’t made by the original company or weren’t necessarily “good” games.

            I don’t want this new console to play old games because it severely limits what games from that era are played, how they’re played with new controllers, and simply throw away a huge part of gaming history, good or bad.

            I’m just not satisfied with the Wii U so far. I know there are people who are, and if they are I’m glad for them. I’m just not.
            I hope something changes my mind though too, cause I want to like this console. I’m just don’t.
            Hope you have fun with the Wii U!

          • Guest No. 3

            Here’s a different point on it: when the PS4 suffers the usual drought of new games that happens after a system launch, and there’s no backward compatibility, is there any incentive at all to buy such a console?

          • John Andalora

            if.
            If the PS4 suffers a drought.
            Just cause other systems have droughts doesn’t mean PS4 will. Maybe it will, and maybe it won’t.

            And frankly, then I’d probably just do what the Wii U is doing right now: Put it in its box and let it sit until something different comes out.
            That’s what I’d do.

            I don’t really care to play the games I used to in the past for Wii. I’d rather play different games. So, with or without BC, my Wii U is sitting in its box not doing anything while I do something else.
            Game droughts shouldn’t be the reason to add on BC. Game droughts should be something we avoid by making more games. The Wii was one of those few consoles that I never thought had a drought, because games kept coming at a good rate. That worked very well. So, a drought shouldn’t be a reason for BC; It should be a reason for people to try and create more new things.

        • Wayne Beck

          backward compatibility was especially important to me because of Late Releases like Pandora’s Tower.

          • John Andalora

            But did you buy a Wii U to play Wii U games, or just for Wii games?
            And, what happened to your Wii?

          • Wayne Beck

            My Wii Became useless when I ported all of my save data, online purchases and currency to my Wii U. The way it should be. It is now sitting in my collection of Game Consoles.

            I bought my Wii U so I could play new games and Keep on playing my Favorites until the next One comes out. The only people who complain about a lack of software when a New Console launches are the ones who stop buying good games just because they aren’t on the new console. Nintendo knows this, that’s why we get to keep playing new Last Gen games on our Brand New Console.

          • John Andalora

            I collect all different game consoles and play on all of them, with different reasons. The first reason is to play the games involved in that generation.

            But, point is, most people buy the new console for the new games. They can still keep the old console and buy the games for it at a lower cost, while playing on the new one. And frankly, in the case between Wii and Wii U, it just added cost to the new console. Also, there are very few games that I replay once I am finished with it. However, if it’s really a game that I love, I’ll just keep the console.
            I’m glad that buying a Wii U to play Wii games worked out for you, but I’d rather just play the game on the past console, keep it, and lower the prices of the new console.

          • Wayne Beck

            I can see your point about cost savings, but most people do not actually collect their consoles. They get a new one and sell the old one. I prefer to only have one or two consoles hooked up to my Living Room TV at a time, so backward compatibility is a huge factor for me as it allows for a larger array of titles. As far as the number of times I play games, I am a completion, so I always finish everything in a single player game and usually do not go back to it, but I also love playing games with friends. Having games like Mario Kart and SSB at the ready any time a friend comes over is a necessity. There are dozens of games like this for me and I’d really not have to wait for the next iteration before I get to play again. If a System isn’t backward compatible, my old games tend to Sit and collect dust. I have to really want to play something if I’m going to go through the effort of hooking up a system just to play one game.

          • John Andalora

            What happens though when the next console loses the ability to play the past consoles games? Like how Wii U can’t play Gamecube games when Wii could?

            What happens then?

            Also, if you want one or two consoles connected, you could have Wii U and Wii and play them both. Then you could play your old games with your friends on the Wii or Wii U, and BC would still remain pointless.

            As for all these multiplayer games, they’re going to be overshadowed by the new versions of the games anyways. The only difference is that Nintendo is being rather slow with the new versions of those games. So, keeping your wii connected for the old ones and having the Wii U connected for the new ones wouldn’t be that big of a deal.

            Maybe I’m not quite understanding the effort it takes to hook up a console to a TV and plugging it in. I don’t see that as something that takes longer than a minute, and if the game is good enough to replay it with friends, that one minute won’t matter.

          • Wayne Beck

            It doesn’t require effort, it’s just inconvenient. Why would I want two Nintendos hooked up when I could have a Nintendo and a Playstation?

            As far as systems that are two gens old are concerned, there are already updated versions of most of those games. Melee may be better than Brawl, but Brawl is good enough to not need to play Melee. It will be a minimum of two years before I have new versions of my Wii Games. That’s the way it should be. Nintendo isn’t being slow about anything, except maybe Pikmin.

            A good game takes more than 6 months to make. If a company is releasing a new version every year, they are making a half-assed cash grab. There is a reason AC3, Halo 4 and the Eighth Call of Duty aren’t as good as their predecessors. It’s because they are just re-skinned versions of older games. I’d much rather continue to play a game a like while the new one is being made than pay 60 dollars for the same game twice.

          • John Andalora

            IF the old games are important enough to keep, then the minor inconvenience shouldn’t be a problem. If you are going to replay them, than sometimes taking it down shouldn’t be that big of a problem.

            I own numerous old consoles, and when I want to play one or the other I change them out. If that’s too much of a hassle for old games you know you’re going to play, then I’d say just sell the whole thing.

            If I want to play Banjo Kazooie or Super Mario 64 again but I have the PS2 in my TV, I take one out and put in the other. That’s it.

            Not that hard.

            What about all those other games that aren’t rebooted or aren’t given sequels off of that console? Will those be lost for the sheer sake of convenience? Are those any less important than the games that will be given another sequel?

            Frankly, my problem with E3 right now is that Nintendo is releasing Mario Kart and SSB but not really giving it anything new or special. I feel that those games are just getting some cheap character add ons, a few new maps, and some slightly different moves, but I don’t see anything in the games that would make them require so much time. Also, according to rumors, the new Mario Kart will be based off of MK7, made about a year ago for 3DS. Sounds like just a reskinning to me.

            So, what exactly about MK and SSB makes it take a couple of years to make in comparison to all those COD or Halo games you dislike?

          • Wayne Beck

            Considering absolutely no information about those two games have actually been given, your literally just making that up. For all we know, they will be absolutely nothing like any version of those games before. That said, if they are just re-skinned versions of the older game, I probably won’t buy them. As of right now, they don’t look like anything.

            As for swapping out consoles, I play my one gen old games often enough for swapping consoles to an unnecessary burden. Really there is nothing more to it. Thats why I liked my Wii, That’s why I have a Fat PS3 and that’s why I love having it in my Wii U. The older my games are, the less likely I am to play them. That doesn’t mean I’ll never play them, but i do have Hundreds of Games sitting around that I haven’t played in years. Why? Because I like to have them. Don’t really need any more reason than that. Most of my consoles are Hooked up to an Old CRT in the basement because they look like Crap on an HD TV. Even still, I rarely ever play them unless someone else expresses interest in playing. That’s technology for you.

            The Cost savings for not having Backward Compatibility is not enough for someone like me to give in to System Swapping. It’s a waste of time. I want to play when I want to play and I want my friends to play when they want to play. Having to wait 10 minutes while you pull out the old system, hook it up, which is especially annoying in an entertainment center, and get every one situated with a controller is not worth it in my opinion.

          • John Andalora

            Oh yeah, cause Nintendo’s really going to make massive changes to these franchises to where it isn’t going to be some racing game or some fighting game.

            Also, look at every game they came up with form the past and tell me what they changed about it. A few maps, a few new characters, maybe an item or two and a reskin for graphics. I’ll grant that Mario Kart Double Dash was quite a big change, but then they immediately went back to single player per kart in GBA, DS, Wii, and 3DS releases.

            I like to ask people how they think that these games, typically based on party playing with each person having the same controls, is going to be changed when only one of the controllers has a screen on the front, and the rest have Wii controllers. How are they honestly going to make the game any different from the past ones? How innovative can it really be?

            For the older games, Every now and again I pick them up, but as I only have one big TV and one small TV but 11 consoles, I find that people will find more interest in playing a random console every now and again rather than the same console. Sometimes, I have people ask me if we can play PS2. Other times, it’s DreamCast or SNES or Wii. If people want to play it, I’ll set up the console in about a minute or so and start playing. I don’t know why it takes 10 minutes to set it up, but I’ll typically have it done rather quickly, and if it’s a lively enough crowd we can talk and laugh while it’s being set up.

            I think we might just be two different people on this one, and chances are we just have our preferences. I’d rather a console focus on its set of games and leave the other games to the other consoles, and if people want to play it I’ll take one down to set it up.
            But, this one might just be a difference in preference between us, and I don’t really think we’ll get anywhere further on this one.

          • Wayne Beck

            Have to agree that we’re just two different people on the console swapping thing. I would also have to agree that those two particular games are not going to change all that much. You just don’t fix what isn’t broken. The best we can hope for is some new feature that adds a new level of gameplay, a track editor or better online integration, but you never know when it comes to Nintendo. I’m still really hoping they finally announce the Dual-Gamepad support next week.

        • ItzameyaToad

          Think about it this way(hypothetical), you are deciding to buy a Blue Ray player, one has the ability to only play Blu Ray movies the other is able to play all of your old DVD movies(lets say you have alot of DVD’s) PLUS the ability to play Blu Ray movies, the blu ray only cost $400-500 while the one that plays both BR & DVD cost $300-350. Now tell me which one is more worth your money? The one that allows you to watch all of your old favorite DVD’s Plus all the new Blu Ray movies or the one that only allows Blu Ray movies and cost more?

          The backwards compatibility adds a layer of worth to the console that doesn’t exist without Backwards compatibilty. Here is another way to look at it, I have my Wii U on my dresser by my tv and next to it I have my Gamecube. Now with the Wii U I have access to new Wii U titles and I have the ability to play all of my Wii games and with the Game Cube I am able to play all my Game Cube games. That is three generations/systems worth of games on two consoles instead of having to have 3 consoles hooked to one tv. Now that is something you just cant get with Xbox One and PS4 unless we see something from Sony that allows streaming of PS2/PS3 games.

          Also look at it this way, what about people new to Nintendo games or they skipped out on the Wii so they didn’t get to play all the great Wii exclusives like Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario,Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 etc. but now they want to play them. Should they have to buy both a Wii just to play those games(if they are able to get a Wii) and get a Wii U to play Nintendo’s new games? Or is it better that they can buy one console(Wii U) and be able to just buy those good games and enjoy them. Prime example, I never got around to getting a PS3 so I missed out on some great Playstation IP’s that will probably continue on the PS4. How cool would it be if I could go to the store and buy the Killzone collection, or Little Big Planet 1&2, or the God of War collection and be able to play and experience those great games on my PS4? I think it would be awesome to not “HAVE” to buy a PS3 rigtht before the PS4 just to get caught up on exclusive games like Killzone. I guess the Value is in the Eye of the beholder and I just see BC as a very cool feature for newcomers that missed out on old games and adds value to the new console.

          • John Andalora

            How and why does the one that work with both cost less than the one that just reads Blu-Ray? In the stores I go to, that doesn’t occur. Since Blu-Ray and DVD are read differently, the thing that read both would need a separate reader, and therefore would cost more retail because of parts.

            In that case, it would be cheaper of me to keep the old DVD player (i mean, i’m not getting rid of it since it isn’t broken) and buy a Blu-Ray Only, and hook them both up to the same TV (since DVD has AV cable and BR has HDMI).

            Also, Video Game Consoles and DVD/BR aren’t comparable. I feel like you’re trying to say the dual player costs less like a Wii U but that the only one costs more like the other consoles, but adding that other player would only increase price. As for collections of games and backwards compatibility, suppose someone didn’t have a lot of DVDs. Suppose a gamer doesn’t have a Wii game and bought a Wii U. What if they have no intentions of playing Wii games for whatever reason they have(maybe they thought the Wii was dumb, but the Wii U looks really cool). Now they have to pay more for something they didn’t want or care to own.

            As for exclusives, I’d say if you really want one, get one. It’s not fair for more people to have to pay
            More for a console to have the ability to Play old games for the sake of someone else playing those old games. In the PS4 case, as you know, the PS3 had cell technology, so backwards compatibility would require a lot more hardware, and would probably add another $100 for everyone. I already have my own problems with people making video game series that stretch past a console generation, but if you are looking to play the consoles games, then I think it is up to you to get the console and play it.
            I also didn’t get a PS3, and would like to try one at some point. So, when i really want it, I’ll buy it.

          • ItzameyaToad

            1: I said Hypothetical in my comment for a reason. I was comparing the fact that if there was a more expensive BR player on the market and another BR player that has the ability to play both for a cheaper price. I was using that Hypothetical situation to illustrate that having the ability to play old Wii games adds more value to the Wii U instead of only being able to play Wii U games. It’s like the PS4 will be probably $400-500 and it won’t have BC. Im not saying BC is needed to have value to the PS4, but wouldn’t you find a potential price of $400-500 a bit less of a sting if you had the ability to play PS3 games?

            2: It is an optional thing. If you like the ability to play old games you can play old Wii games. Nobody is forcing you to play them but the fact is is you have the option to do so if you choose to which is where IMO BC adds some value to a console.

            3: Really I don’t buy all that “The architecture is different with the PS4 than the PS3 so that is why it won’t be included” yeah sure the PS4 wont support it now but Sony had every option to build a system with the ability to play PS3 games, you see Nintendo building consoles that are able to be BC these past few gens and they still build powerful systems. It’s a load of BS that Sony and Microsoft don’t build there systems(especially Sony) to have the ability to be BC. It really probably only cost Nintendo $20-40 to add the parts and build around those parts which cost the buyer barely anything so no-one is getting punished because of BC.

            4:Like I said it is a nice option and sometimes the only option(BC) to be able to play all the great games of the previous generation while still being able to enjoy the new games.

          • John Andalora

            Oh, but before someone gets mad at me for saying I’s keep my DVD and buy a BR and ask the hypothetical “what if the DVD player was broken?”, if my DVD player was broken, I’d spend the dough to get the dual, or buy both separately depending upon cheapest alternative (since I think I could find a DVD player for pretty cheap nowadays).
            However, in the event that the DVD player wasn’t broken (like most of the Wiis out there are), I’d just keep it and take a cheaper new console.

          • ItzameyaToad

            1: I said Hypothetical in my comment for a reason. I was comparing the fact that if there was a more expensive BR player on the market and another BR player that has the ability to play both for a cheaper price. I was using that Hypothetical situation to illustrate that having the ability to play old Wii games adds more value to the Wii U instead of only being able to play Wii U games. It’s like the PS4 will be probably $400-500 and it won’t have BC. Im not saying BC is needed to have value to the PS4, but wouldn’t you find a potential price of $400-500 a bit less of a sting if you had the ability to play PS3 games?

            2: It is an optional thing. If you like the ability to play old games you can play old Wii games. Nobody is forcing you to play them but the fact is is you have the option to do so if you choose to which is where IMO BC adds some value to a console.

            3: Really I don’t buy all that “The architecture is different with the PS4 than the PS3 so that is why it won’t be included” It would cost Sony and Microsoft maybe $20-40 to put in the ability of BC and work around it with new tech that works with the BC. Sony and Microsoft had the option to build a console with hardware that supported BC but the choose not to.Somehow Nintendo always has managed BC while pushing out quality powerful systems. BC really doesn’t cost the consumer more in the end so no the Consumer does not get screwed over when it comes to price for something they won’t use.

            4: Having the ability to play games from a previous generation adds value to the new system and you can’t always get an old system to play the old games so having the option of being able to play popular last gen games on the new console as well as the new consoles new games adds value to the console.

          • John Andalora

            Here’s the problem with the Hypothetical:
            1) DVD and Blu-Ray are movie Standards. There’s no competitors based around different movies all trying to get your money.
            Video game consoles are different in their very core, and their massive change in direction from other consoles shows.
            A cheaper console that plays new and old games might have only a GPU and CPU that equal current market demands, and maybe that company is selling them at a loss to try and get the crowd. The other consoles are different in what they do, how they do it, why they do it, what games they have, and what games they prefer. Whoever owns a blank DVD making company has one of the few legal monopolies in the world.

            2) Forced or not to play them, I’m forced to have to purchase a console that can play them rather than being able to purchase a console that just plays the new and keeping my old console.

            3) I’m dead serious about that. The PS3 was set up in a “Cell” structure, where there were 6 miniature processors which took control of different parts and all connected to different parts of the console. the PS4 went with a massively big CPU that handles everything. This doesn’t allow for backwards compatibility (at least, not cheap backwards compatibility), and then the price goes up and people complain about prices.
            Wii and Wii U hardware are rather similar, but the difference in BC comes from the disc itself. See, the Wii had some discs which were both single and double layered, so there are grooves inside the grooves that store information. However, so far, all Wii U discs are single layered. That ability to run double layered discs requires a different laser reader. This wouldn’t necessarily cost as much as differing CPU structures or having so much hardware that it already costs a lot and adding another feature would just make the console bigger, but it still is a cost. If Wii U only read single layer discs, I think price would’ve been cut by about $25.

            4) Trust me when I say you can always get the old system if you really wanted it, or if you loved it, you could just keep it. I know stores that get people wiis for very cheap prices, and most people (at least in the stores I go to) get Wiis for Netflix capabilities so they don’t have to buy a Smart TV.

            But, let me explain why I think that the Wii to Wii U change especially shouldn’t have had backwards compatibility:
            Everything was compatible with the past generation and the Wii U. Even the wires to plug it in and out are the same specifications, and the Wii U manual says you can use the old wires.
            Now, for a console that allows you to use the older wires and controllers, it seems like selling the Wii with no accessories wouldn’t be very lucrative, since few people would buy it. And, as an special bonus, people could just unplug or replug their Wii right where the Wii U was, and vice versa.
            I think Nintendo should have spent their time on bigger and better pursuits, making more of an effort to really hone in on their new console, and put a little more effort on people if they wanted to play the older games. I honestly think that the hours and days they spent making sure the Wii U could play Wii games could’ve been spent on simply getting quicker loading times to begin with, or maybe brushing up on another game, and the money that they used (each $25 for the reader for 3.5 million consoles) could’ve gone to something more lucrative, like more advertisements or bigger projects with games.
            If we stop having new consoles play old games, we could spend that time and money on other matters that really get to show off the new console and the new generation.

          • ItzameyaToad

            Ok my hypothetical seems to keep going in one ear and out the other with you. I understand that DVD and Blu ray players are different than consoles I was just making the comparison of the value of getting one device that plays only one thing and another that plays both thats all nothing more nothing less.

            Let me tackle one thing first
            4: Nintendo like all companies was working on the Wii U right when Wii launched so they probably had BC mapped out a year or two before the Wii U was even announced so I don’t think much time would have been saved and the time saved probably wouldn’t be much.Again the Wires thing is ridiculous because you still have to have alot of wires plugged in to a tv and having an all in one place console is still more convienant than unplugging a few wires. I would agree but I really don’t think a whole lot of time is spent making a console BC and it is a well worth it pursuit to give people more moneys worth.

            4: Continued. When it comes to finding a console you really want sure it’s possible but alot of systems depending on how popular they are can become quite expensive and the fact that you would have to track it down and often times pay through the nose to get it makes having a system that can do it all at one price while still playing new games more worth getting.

            3: The Fact is is Sony had enough time to come up with a way of making BC possible on the PS4 without it costing them or the consumer an arm and a leg they just choose not to do it.The same with Microsoft. Personally I hope that they have the ability to purchase PS3 games on PS4 and stream/download them so people like myself don’t have to break the bank and buy a PS3 just to play the great games it had while also getting a PS4. I am sure even you can understand how much more convienant it would be if they offer all the great Playstation games on one device and all you have to do is buy a PS4 and buy each game.

            Well I say this because I am quite frankly burnt out already talking about this but Agree to Disagree. You think having BC is a useless feature that shouldn’t exist in consoles, and I think it is a useful feature that adds more value and convience to my gaming routine.

          • John Andalora

            4) Any time saved is time that could be used on other affairs. Every business knows that. The time it took to program in the Wii menu, the time it took to be able to read Wii discs instead of just Wii U, the time it took to do test and evaluate the ability of the Wii U’s BC. All that took time. And, to make sure that it was correct, it probably took a good chunk out of their time.

            Any time spent could’ve been used for something different, and instead of giving people the option to play older games which will soon become outdated by newer releases (SSB, MK, 3D Mario,), they should work on the newer games and leave people who actually want to play the older ones to go out and buy them for themselves.

            Con’t) It’s not that difficult. It really isn’t. I could drive down to 4 different stores in my area and find even some rare and exotic consoles. One has a Magnavox Odyssey inside it, while another holds Atari Lynx games.
            And, you talk about the last console generation like the old ones are just completely thrown out. Chances are someone is going to try and sell their console online at a cheap cost on places like eBay, Craigslist, Amazon, etc. If people want to get a cheap version of the console, they can get one. The last generation console is rather heavily available, and with 99 million used consoles out there, I bet someone can get you a good deal.

            3) You aren’t listening to me. You really aren’t listening to me. Why should I try to pay attention to what you have to say when you don’t even attempt to listen to me?
            PS3 architecture is completely different. It’s not going to be simple or cost effective to add BC to it. The discs are different, the CPU is different, lens is different, processing is different. It would cost everyone too much more to get it on their console.
            Maybe it would be “convenient” to play PS3 games on PS4, but it’s not a service that I would care for. I’d rather just play the new consoles games and be able to use the features for the PS4 with PS4 games.

            But that’s just me.
            Well, alright. Take care.

        • Off.Sh

          i bought a wii u and transfer all my data into it and still playing wii games. my “extra wii” was given to my parents so they could use it as a netflix device.

          • John Andalora

            Did you buy the Wii U to play Wii games on?
            I bought mine because it was a new generation of games, cause Wii U seemed like it promised so much.
            I wouldn’t buy the new generation just to play the old. Did you?

          • Off.Sh

            I didnt, but i have unfinished wii games, and its A plus. I dont have space in my living room for a wii,w ii u, Stereo tv and ps3 altogether. If i buy ps4 i dont know What to Do With my old games. :(

          • John Andalora

            If I don’t have the room for something but want to play a game, I’ll typically plug or unplug something. I own 11 consoles, and while I don’t have the space to put all of them in front of my TV, if I want to play one of them, I’ll unplug something else and plug it in.
            That’s my preference.

          • Off.Sh

            Nice. I dont do that, once i disconect i ll never play it again. So usually i give away the consoles.

          • John Andalora

            For me, if it was a game worth finishing or playing, I’ll keep it and set up the console when I want to play.

      • Andreas Sunde

        Oya might not sell well, but apparently they make a profit on every console sold, so I think it will be around for at least a few years.

      • Wayne Beck

        Ouya can’t really fail. They don’t even feint intent to capture the market. Their goal was to make a Toy for Indie Devs and Hobbyists and they have already succeeded in that. I could see them making an Ouya 2, but because they crowd funded, they don’t really have to sell much at all to turn a profit.

    • Nintedward

      Once again , Nintendo will be the top gaming Hardware distributor due to the 3DS.

      My prediction would be about 100 million+ for 3DS and 50 Million+ for Wiiu.

      • MTGSWE

        That’s kind of realistic due to 3ds sale going strong every week. It’s not impossible and I would love if the 3ds make those numbers :)

        • Nintedward

          Well yeh.. 30 million in 2 years. And it will get cheaper and games like Pokemon x and Y and Monster Hunter (and much more) are yet to come. The 3DS will easily clear 100 mill.
          Wiiu isn’t going to set the world on fire with its sales , but hopefully it will with its games like the N64 did.

          • MTGSWE

            As history has shown in Nintendos handheld department, they are the strongest of all.

            Game Boy: 118 million
            Advance: 80 Million
            DS: 153 Million
            3ds: 30 million (ongoing)

            I’m sure Nintendo ain’t giving up handheld ever :D

    • Revolution5268

      wrong the powerful console never wins, didn’t you do any studied in the previous console gens?
      You can tell wii u will win due to its lower spects.

    • Guest

      I know it is your opinion but what is sony going to do that will make the PS4 the top system this gen? Just because the PS2 was a huge succes doesn’t mean PS4 will be and a few good launch games doesn’t mean much. Im not hating on the PS4 I just don’t see how people can already assume the PS4 is going to sell the most this gen already, no offense intended.

      • Cameron

        It’s not that I think it will because the PS2 was successful, it’s more that people seem to be leading towards it. I personally love the Wii U, but the gaming community’s response towards this gen seems to lean towards the PS4. Although the Wii did sell really well to the casual gamer market, so maybe the U will follow in its footsteps, but only time will tell.

        • RockGod

          Hold off on predictions for now. Sony still hasn’t answered alot of questions. everyone wants to know just how much PS4 will have in common with XBOX ONE.. We’ll have to wait and see, in a few weeks it’ll be much easier to predict what will happen.

    • name

      I agree, I just don’t expect anything out of the Ouya.

    • Wayne Beck

      Honeslty, I don’t see PS4 or XBoxOne selling more than 1.5 million this Christmas. There will most likely be a shortage of both and they are both going to be very expensive. If I had to make a prediction about the rest of this year, I would see E3 giving Nintendo a Huge Boost in sales and them having an even better holiday season than last year.

      I think, if they can keep the cost down to about $400, Playstation will do fine through next year. Prolly a little better than Wii U did month to month, but with lower total sales due to a lack of Supply.

      I honestly think the XboxOne is going to fall on it’s face and a lot harder than people are expecting. Xbox360 really only has a dedicated Fan Base of about 30 million people. Their strongest market, North America, is more than a little weary of Microsoft in general and a lot of the feature they have shown off are a big turn off to Core Gamers. The average person is unlikely to drop that much money of an entertainment Hub for their living room that does not function independent of all the devices they already have.

  • Kamon

    Thanks a lot, G4.

  • BieberBlows

    I haven’t watched Spike since the UFC dumped them.

  • warpstar

    I wish they could release all of the demos on the eShop since not everyone is close to a best buy. I think that could pay off for Nintendo in a big way.
    Imagine a person’s friend is optimistic about buying a Wii U and they know a friend who has one and they want to try out the E3 demos. 20 minute drive to friend’s house vs. 1 hour drive to Best Buy. Releasing them on the eShop is the way to go.
    Now I don’t know if there’s something about the demos that Nintendo can’t release them on the eShop but if they can then I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t want to release them on the Wii U. Awareness would rise for the Wii U in my opinion by letting a larger amount of people try the demos in that way than making people drive an hour to Best Buy.

    • http://weeklyrift.com/ Tim Biggs

      If they go to the trouble to make special demos for E3 I have to imagine they’ll make it to eShop. Maybe a week or two afterwards though.

    • Jim Wanstall

      I was thinking the same thing a while back, why not bring it to wii u eshop , if they don’t then maybe they might nearer the time the games are due for release

    • Anubis

      I completely agree with you, but Nintendo has a pretty good reason why they won’t put demos on the eshop.

      http://mynintendonews.com/2013/05/31/e3-demos-are-always-unlikely-to-hit-the-nintendo-eshop/

      • incoherent1

        That seems like flawed reasoning if they wont’ release them on the eShop because they don’t want it to break or be disappointing… If that’s the case, then the Best Buy demo is an even worse idea.

        What’s worse than downloading a demo and having it break? Driving across town (or further) to the nearest participating Best Buy, dealing with a mass of screaming children, waiting in line, then having a game demo break or be disappointing.

        • D.M.T

          At Best Buy you have people that will fix whatever problem there is with the demos.

          • Rey Hardy

            And if a Demo crashes or something on our Wii U…apparently its to hard to delete it and redownload it…Please I will take my chances. I already payed %194.25 to get my Wii U fixed once. If it breaks from an E3 demo like I care. Give me anyway!

          • incoherent1

            Let’s hope so. Best Buy isn’t known for its stellar customer support, so I do hope there will be someone who is competent around to fix issues, otherwise there’s a chance it could do more harm than good for the Wii U.

        • Cameron

          The only people who would play demos on the Wii U are Wii U owners, which is not the only demographic they want to appeal to, so a public store would be a good idea.

          • incoherent1

            So do both — that’ll keep current owners out of the stores so potential buyers can get in there and play. :)

    • http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUYKptJ3wOiYnsvA5tNOT2TQ Blu_J

      I back you on that. its weird they we still don’t have the tour of Nintendo demos of Fabulous 101 and Pikmin 3 back when the Wii U debut that would indeed help push the wii u in my eyes. I would have loved to see the HD Zelda in my living room there are no direct feeds of that footage so people at home cant get the full enjoyment of the quality they were showing off.

    • Guest

      Not to be a debbie downer but how do they get the demos off everyones consoles? I say this because many many Xbox Live games have had the demos removed because alot of people play only the demo and never commit to the actual game. It is a good idea though and I wish Nintendo would explain officially why they don’t want to put them on eShop.

    • CapnCrumbles436

      Yeah but this way they can reach consumers who do not currently own the hardware. That’s the point, grow the brand push the product.

    • Babymario26

      Sometimes alot of stuff is left in a demo… so what if someone actually gets those files and decides to post secrets of the game 4 months early? the game could be potentially ruined.

  • audi lover

    Amazon uk showing price for playstation 4 and xbox one at 600 pound and 90 pound for a games although i do stress it does say subject to change and you will pay lowest price that still massively expenssive speculative cost around 900 dollars in america

    • Cameron

      I’d see it happening. Honestly I can already tell one of the U’s strong suits is going to be its price tag.

      • John Andalora

        I hope that’s not a bullet point as to why people buy it.
        If that’s the case the Wii U is going to bomb compared to the Ouya.

        • Cameron

          I said a strong suit, not the reason to buy it. People will buy it because it will have fun games to play. I can image a $600 price tag might be the reason someone doesn’t buy something.

          • John Andalora

            Hope so.

            Maybe. But I think that if a console seems appealing enough, people will plunk down the money for it.

            I don’t think something of this generation will cost that much though.

          • Revolution5268

            if the ps3 $599 didn’t help with its sales, whats makes people think the ps4 will be better?

    • Shaise Mughal

      That could help Wii U sales

  • 7Down

    Totally unrelated to this article or any other article, but I’m desperate, could someone help me to solve a problem.

    Few days ago, my modem broke. I took my old modem, which is ZyXEL, just like my broken modem, only difference is that it’s slightly older and doesn’t have an antenna, but my Wii U can’t find/connect to Wifi

    Now after several hours of messing with my IP addresses and other crap like that, I tried to configure manually, once I had it all right, I followed tech support guide, I still can’t connect to the internet with my Wii U.

    Do you think that there has happened some sort of mistake while, “installing” this old modem as it used to work with my original Wii, but now even my Wii is unable to connect.

    So I guess the fault is not in my Wii U, but has something to do with the modem, anyone have any great advice, I’d appreciate.

    Been trying to solve this for hours and can’t get any good advice from anywhere, the main issue might be that there is no guide for this stuff for my native language, so I don’t quite understand everything about this technical stuff.

    • ICHI

      How close is your Wii u to it, the WiFi is fast on the console but the range isn’t too great. Mine has gotten better due to just putting it 50cm closer. If its too hard to move your router then plug the Wii u in nearer to it and try that, it may not help but worth a punt

      • 7Down

        It still can’t connect, I was worried that my console is damaged, but even my Wii can’t connect, not sure what to do, the tech support is useless as well.

        It may have something to do with some security key of my modem, however after managing to get trough all password stuff etc. I found out that the modems manual shows options that mine is missing.

        This is a load of BS, I should probably just smash my modem, this damn thing is messing things up =(

        • ICHI

          Possibly smashing is the only cure :-(. I remember when I got my Wii and my 360, I had a couple of routers which were funny about wireless connections in the wii. And in the 360’s case just connecting to xbox live was a chore even though it had to be wired. We forget how archaic the older stuff is until we have to use it again.

  • bizzygie(disqus)

    What’s going on? Why can’t I log in to my Google account? All my information is on there. Every time I try to log in, it just sends me to a disqus page.

  • dat

    I am not interested in Xbox one Or PS 4 at all.

    • Talesgirl015

      Core gamers are not interested in the Nintendo Wii U

      • Cameron

        Who the hell are “core gamers”?

        I’ve been playing video games for 15 years now, been multi-platform since the PS2/GC, and I’m interested in the Wii U.

        Guess I must not be part of your almighty “hardcore” demographic of gamers. Way to decide for everyone.

      • Nintedward

        Wrong. Core gamers ARE and WILL be interested in the Wiiu. That being said , there is only a small amount of core gamers in the world.

        No, CoD and Fifa addicts aren’t core gamers , they’re core fags.
        Core Gamers imo , are the sort of people who play the best the industry has to offer – EG : Bioshock , 3D mario , Smash bros , The last of us etc etc… games like that.

        Xbox is just a big , gay CoD Fifa choo choo train.
        (Core fag – Someone who only plays the most common games such as CoD or Fifa)

        • Wayne Beck

          I think you mean Fanboys.. Don’t Insult English Cigarettes by lumping them in with those Brogamers..

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Cigarettes are lame too.

          • Wayne Beck

            lol It was more of a commentary about using Fag as a slur that typically refers to homosexuals. Not trying to be all high and mighty. I do it too sometimes, but I try very hard not to. I feel like other people should to, if for no other reason than to be a better person.

        • MTGSWE

          Warning! Do not feed the trolls. If we feed them they will never go away. They live on attention. Don’t give them any and we shall see them perish.

          Let’s face it people. They won’t change their mind and they are stuck in their own little world. They think they are hardcore because they bash what everyone else is bashing.

          They don’t want to feel left out by the “hardcore” community :P

        • name

          The Last of Us isn’t even out yet and Bioshock is extremely overrated. You’re point still stands though.

      • Wayne Beck

        I’ve owned every Video Game Console since NES, Straight Up through PS3 XBox360 and Wii. I have no interest in XboxOne or PS4 at the moment. That makes me a not a core gamer?

        Maybe Sony and Microsoft should announce more than a Social Network and a frickin’ camera that watches me while I play..

      • NkoSekirei

        stfu troll/bitch seriously u dont know nothing about core gamers at all and ur logic is flawed and by the way their are ps3 an 360 gamers that do enjoy the wii u just like many of us on here do and thats called respect and getting along instead of starting flame wars like u and many trolls do

      • MTGSWE

        Troll name: Talesgirl015
        Warning!! feeding the troll will only make it want more it is highly recommended that you refrain from feeding it.
        Everyone needs to turn their back at this troll and keep at least an internet meter from them.

        • xBoneR

          The only thing I will be feeding it will be my xBone

      • Agent721

        Then how come I own one…and 2 360s, a PS3 with an upgraded hard drive, two pcs, gamecube, SNES, OG gameboy and I even own some take two stock! Yes! Shock & awe, people have different opinions than you ….GROW UP!!!

      • TheyCallMeDan

        That’s where you’re completely wrong, Nintendo and Sony have made machines that do exactly what it’s designed for: to play GAMES!

        Microsoft are constantly promoting the pointless features that aren’t game related of their console and are chasing a market that wouldn’t know better about core games anyway.

        It’s also shameful how you can say that core gamers “don’t like the Wii U” because YOU are Anti-Nintendo… just remember who essentially revolutionised the gaming industry before your brain stops functioning and being dumb.

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        What is a core gamer little girl? I have probably been playing video games since before you were born starting with my Atari 2600 and Commodore64. I have had every Nintendo Console and many of their handhelds… I have also had consoles from Sega, Sony, and Microsoft. I game on my PC, Consoles, and mobile.

        You need to correct your statement and say “Troll Gamers are not interested in the Wii U” Core gamers are interested in playing games. Good games that are fun to play and no matter the rating or the platform they are played on. Core gamers play the game for the sake of playing the game. That is what a core gamer is.

      • Volfos

        By core gamers you mean you and your abusive ‘friends’ who make you feel so bad you try (quite poorly) to “bully” a group they’d approve you bashing?

  • duo16

    I think the e3 press conferences are over rated Nintendo going to get the same amount of coverage having one or not plus I’m looking forward to checking the games out at Best Buy

  • incoherent1

    Not to mention: if Nintendo’s announcements bomb and no one notices, then it’s essentially a mulligan in the eyes of the news media (“Oh well, they didn’t do a formal press conference anyway, so they knew they didn’t have much”), but if it’s successful and gets headlines, then it’s even better (“Nintendo didn’t even plan a big press conference with bells and whistles, and they still amazed…”).

    Essentially, it’s win-win for Nintendo, even if they don’t get any press.

  • Squid

    Wouldn’t it be cool if Nintendo of a partnership with some channel to exclusively bring us updates by Nintendo Direct?

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      They do… the channel of the internet.

  • Fishy

    am i the only one repulsed that Spike is supposed to be E3’s “official” broadcaster, but then is so obviously in collusion with Microsoft?? What does that say about E3???

    • Cameron

      E3 is about investors and press, Nintendo is trying to make it about the games and their audience, and everybody hates on Nintendo for trying to spice things up.

      Some people have no logic.

      • NkoSekirei

        cause their morons with no lifes

        • Bob Charlie

          …morons…their…lifes…
          You be taken too many hits from your pipe, ‘mon! ;D

      • Nintendofreak

        being honest i never really cared about e3 just read articles on websites for the games…and only saw it to see the fails ( mr. caffeine, etc)

    • DWraySweZ

      it says that whoever has money they have power… i havent thought as spike tv as relevent tv since they change their name from tnt… right, use to be tnt, and feel the same about g4 becoming esquire tv… i am not at all a fan of these sexist tv stations (that includes lifetime, etc.)… once again microsoft proves its only interested in the male demographic of 18-25 year olds.

      • Cubester_64

        COD seems to be for 10-24 year- olds. What a sad world we live in.

        • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

          And how sad are the parents that let their 10 year old children play these games.

          • Revolution5268

            and next thing you know a kid does this and that all because of COD. Only CoD cause kids to go insane and gets talk on the news.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Actually I do not blame the video games or TV shows for how kids act. I blame the parents for allowing them to play games and watch shows not intended for their age. I also blame parents for not being involved in their children’s lives enough to know what they are playing, setting limits and restrictions, and making an effort to monitor and protect their children in the technology use and online. So many things can influence how a child or person behaves or acts. It is up to the parents to make sure that child knows right from wrong and how to act.

            My comment was intended to reflect that. How so many parents cannot seem to be bothered to be involved with what their kids are doing or thinking that “It’s just a game” and when they get online and play other players they are belligerent and immature.

          • ICHI

            Bad parenting choices when it comes to games has been around so long I dont think its ever going to change. It irritates me more when these kids call themselves something like truegamer99, HOW CAN YOU BE, YOUR HALF MY AGE AND ONLY PLAY COD!

        • dr scoobie

          i never understood the logic behind that violent games debate.

          if you think violent games are making you kids violent, then why buy them violent games?

          • Cameron

            That’s what many people are trying to say, but people like to put blame on the product and not the parent.

          • Cubester_64

            Yeah, I’m saying how bad of a job PARENTS are doing (not all, but a generalization)

      • CapnCrumbles436

        As a 26 year old man. I whole heartedly agree. There is a difference between manly and piggish. Spike and G4 cross that line frequently. Who cares if they are the ‘official’ sponsor? Is anyone watching/listening to them anyway. Multiple media outlets will be covering the event with live streaming online broadcasts.

        • dr scoobie

          ill just skip past the boring bits.
          KINECT —> skip ahead
          DRM madness —> skip
          or read the summary instead

          P.S: i edit alot, so a reply may end up out of context.

    • ancientgamer

      means ill be watching it on my pc or keeping tabs anyway, i could careless what ms announces unless its a complete back peddle from their xbox one reveal, you showed your true greedy colors ms, and im stickin with ps n nintendo

      • name

        They didn’t show they were greedy by charging devs for patches, charging gamers for xbox live, and spamming advertisements across the 360 dashboard?

        • ancientgamer

          they did but thats just frosting on the sour cake of microsoft

    • Alex

      Microsoft is like paying other companies to do their job, and not working hard.

    • That guy who hates Spike

      I actually checked Spike’s guide, and it shows that they are actually rerunning another showing of Dodgeball, immediately after the first. As if they don’t have anything else to put on, and as if the Spike viewers haven’t watched Dodgeball. I literally go on the guide every weekend, and I always see some channel having to play Dodgeball. STOP PLAYING DODGEBALL! It only makes Vince Vaughn look relevant. (I hate Vince Vaughn)
      Spike is sitting on a goldmine, being the only channel on my guide that plays E3, now that G4 got replaced, and they decide to put Dodgeball twice.

  • Buduski

    I’m still waiting for the “real next gen” consoles to impress me because so far I really haven’t seen anything mind blowing with the Xbone or the Ps4, i love my wii u and have no complaints except the same problem Nintendo has had for last few console gens, which is the lack of third party support.

    • Cameron

      Wii had tons of 3rd party support, but not in the sense that I think you mean. The U will pick up support as sales increase, or it won’t and we’ll still get some kickass Nintendo 1st and 2nd party games.

      • Buduski

        I was talking about the AAA third party games that actually do make it to the Nintendo consoles being a crappy unsupported port, and yes I agree support will pick up as soon as sales increase, going off of what you said about upcoming kickass 1st and 2nd party games I’m waiting for at least some screen shots of Super Smash Bros. and the new Adventure of Zelda HD

    • Talesgirl015

      Maybe that’s because it’s all about the exclusives, It’s pointless to get excited about next gen consoles if they don’t have a good line-up of games during it’s release..So give developers a year to blow current gen consoles away

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        Wait?? You said on another article it is about 3rd party and now it is about the exclusives??

        You flip flop more than a politician

        • Buduski

      • Buduski

        Nobody can deny that Microsoft and Sony have great exclusives but the best exclusives are Nintendos hands down, so yes I agree in a years time wii u owners should be very happy with all the high quality exclusives they will be enjoying

    • Nintendofreak

      i have to admit the graphical jump was even less that what i had expected…and dont start with all that..ohh they need time they have the ram the thing that limited them in first place is now gone

      • Buduski

        That’s exactly what I’m saying, both console reveals where very underwhelming in terms of game graphics, I was expecting almost exact photo realism but It honestly looked like game footage from well put together ps3 and xbox 360 titles.

  • CupOswaG

    u do know what this means right? nintendo is giving us the chance to spread the best buy news like wildfire to get people to enjoy E3 without paying a whole lota money, its up to us to show people why we are lined up for and enjoying so much

  • david jarman

    I hardly watch spike anymore. Now, I have Xbox one more reason to keep from watching it.

  • hikkerd

    why do I live in this stupid country without things like E3?!

    • http://weeklyrift.com/ Tim Biggs

      Me too friend. At least we all have the internet. Oh and my home town of Melbourne has PAX for the first time in a couple months :D.

    • iceazeama

      if your in europe at least you dont have to deal with reggie and his decisions of retardation. you get the good games that reggie doesnt think is good or worth bringing over.

      • Cameron

        Reggie has actually made more money for the companies he’s worked with than many financial advisors, and is often regarded as one of the top people in his field.

        And localization isn’t his call, if something’s copyrighted it can’t be brought over.

        • iceazeama

          hes good for a spokesmen but for things like localizations, which should be fine really for the ones that were released in europe. it is just pathetic, i was so close of ditching nintendo for good, but then GAMESTOP, saw that xenoblade was in demand, so then nintendo published it as gamestop exclusive, with a deal with gamestop. also xseed with THS and PD. look at all the great games in japan that havnt come over, and the ones in europe that noa itself had nothing to so with anything bring over. im just glad that iwata is head of noa now, maybe we wont have to deal with his bullshit and having no good games for months on end. yeah thanks noa. if reggie was doing such a good job, then why is all the core gone here and all the casuals here gone, oh yeah because that market is gone and he didnt give a shit for the core!!!!!! look at some of the damn history of reggie he is horrible and doesnt even care about games.

          • iceazeama

            this will probably get hundreds of thumb downs, but come on the only reason im saying this because i like nintendo and there is no excuse for this bullshit!!!!!!!

          • Agent721

            It happens everytime bro!!! Next time, hold out until the games come out!

          • Cameron

            Reggie is COO of NOA, not CEO. Meaning he’s in charge of financial issues, not games. I can’t make out what you’re trying to say with all that poor grammar, but he’s actually partly responsible for the 3DS’s popularity in the US, and for the reason EarthBound is going to see a VC release after years of fans pushing for one. Iwata took head of NOA after their old CEO resigned. Now the Gamestop exclusive thing, I don’t know what was up with that or if Reggie even had anything to do with it. The lack of games you mentioned is also due to Nintendo not being able to cram out games every month, and has nothing to do with him either. I honestly don’t see the point you’re trying to make.

          • iceazeama

            whoever is in charge of it needs to get fired then, because having a system with very few titles out. leaving people in the dust with nothing to play is being a asshole when they have plenty of great titles that sony would kill for. its like ni nu kuni was on ds, but didnt come over but look sony then had it on ps3 look it that made it over. im just saying that only nintendo pulls bullshit like this.

          • MTGSWE

            The one in charge now is no other then Satoru Iwata himself. Yeah good luck getting him fired :P

          • Cameron

            That’d be the publishers fault, not Nintendo’s. If a publisher doesn’t want a game in one specific language on one specific system, it’s their call. Nintendo can do anything about it either.

    • DemonRoach

      cuz your country likes to blow things like E3 up

      • Agent721

        What a lame comment.

        • MTGSWE

          He’s a roach. What did you expect? :P

      • ICHI

        Errrrrrrrr so does yours probably? (I’m guessing your an american)

    • ICHI

      Because you live in an enlightened place where millions won’t need to be spent on the spectacle of a few video games and the objectification of large breasted females by sweaty, sleazy journo types. Instead you can just watch a video online while drinking tea in your smoking jacket; safe in the knowledge your not a slave to the machine, being bundled around a smelly, greasy show room floor or queuing for hours to see a glimpse of something relevant which may or may not give your life purpose (probably the latter).

    • Nintendofreak

      e3 is highly overrated its more show than actually gaming shit….filled with stupid celebrities advertising something they dont know shit about and stupid people that dont even know what they are doing….and hot chick that are used to attract the attention of dudes so they go to they booth ( like the pole dancing chick on the devil may cry booth)….its like the oscars a total waste of time and money

      • hikkerd

        yeah maybe you are right

  • iceazeama

    stupid e3 cant come any slower, my wii u is the best swiffer out there, so nintendo making a dust collector so my house stays dust clean… then thank you, but i kinda want some games too.

    • DemonRoach

      Hard keeping my brick clean. I mean, at least Nintendo should of added Blue Ray support, whatever.

      • NkoSekirei

        both of u are idiots and roach nintendo makes their systems strictly for gaming not for ur movie entertainment dumb@$$

        • DemonRoach

          Apparently Nintendo doesn’t make games for their gaming only systems, so shit.

          • NkoSekirei

            dont u realize having a built in blu ray dvd player in a gaming console bumps up the price of a system but no u trolls never listen

          • DemonRoach

            60 cents per unit you stupid dumbshit.

        • ICHI

          I would like to have it play DVD/Blu Ray just so I had less clutter under the TV, less wires. I have kids and they want at least one film on every day. After tea, we settle them down and they get ready for bed, they want something to watch as I hate TV we watch Miyazaki films or older kids films like Goonies (So I can re-live my childhood vicariously through them) but I have to have a DVD player under the TV too. Its not so bad that its a deal breaker and I dont get mad at nintendo, but I do wish it was included :( if not why can’t Nintendo let me pay sony for the rights and make a DVD channel/app?

          • ItzameyaToad

            I get where you are coming from but really with the Wii U being able to stream Netflix movies as well as many other movie/Tv show apps you don’t need a Dvd player as Streaming is much more convieniant. Also if you want buy an all in one stereo dvd player or a small $20-50 Dvd player and put it on top of your Wii U heres the link

            http://www.amazon.com/Coby-DVD209BLK-Ultra-Compact-Player-Black/dp/B001NFOZ4I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1370301076&sr=8-2&keywords=small+dvd

            Really Nintendo is all about gaming and with apps like Netflix/hulu plus they make up for not having a dvd drive. But if you still feel the need to play dvds but want more room buy smaller dvd players.

          • ICHI

            Like I said its not a deal breaker and I have a small DVD player and a TVR it would just cut down on some wires and make the space look a little less like cable hell :-) Man I need some trunking.

          • ItzameyaToad

            I know what ya mean :)

      • Cameron

        They’d have to pay Sony to let them use Blu-Ray, since Sony owns exclusive rights to it. Microsoft is paying Sony for it too.

        Last I checked, giving money to your competitors was a bad idea.

        • DemonRoach

          then pay? It adds value to their hardware.

          • Silent

            Why dont you make a console and pay them for it?

          • RockGod

            You wanna know what would be even cooler than a blu-ray drive? Backward Compatability and no restrictions on playing used games! Now that would add alot of value! You know, for stuff like playing GAMES

          • DemonRoach

            Valuable for xbox/ps3, but wii has the worst library in my memory.

          • RockGod

            You’re trolling the wrong guy Roach. I have 70+ Wii Games and 60+ between VC & WiiWare Titles. I loved the Wii and the Wii U has been an even bigger impact on me. I already have 12 Wii U games and 10 eshop games for it, so I don’t get the “not enough games” Crap.

            I’ve owned every Nintendo home console ever released and NEVER have I had so many games for a system at just over 6 months old. And there are many coming that I plan to be purchasing as well.

          • DemonRoach

            So basically, you’ll suck on nintys balls and eat out their asses if it was offered to you?

          • RockGod

            No Roach. I appreciate quality games and you actually were right about ONE thing. BC would be a big deal for both MS & Sony. unfortunately they will not offer it to their fans, so I am sorry… if you count yourself as one of them.

      • Agent721

        No different then when the 360 & ps3 launched. I was playing old xbox games for close to a year! Do you guys have alzeimers or are you so young as to not remember??? At least its backwards compatible. If you cant find something to play, youre truly not WANTING to play.

  • Matt

    Nintendo has it in the bad IMO

    • ItzameyaToad

      According to Usher You’ve got it bad.

      • Lassassino

        i think he meant bag

        • ItzameyaToad

          oh haha

  • Nintendofreak

    i loved the lesbian feisty chick…grrr

    • ICHI

      Is that the one with the Vase on her head?

      • Nintendofreak

        let me illustrate… well she is lesb in the movie…in real life she is married to the dude got was putting pizza on his dick on the movie…love her name kate veatch xd

  • Moreck

    As usual, Mircrosoft is going to get by on sheer monetary power. If that company ever attempted to go against another company on a level playing field, I’d probably pass out from shock.

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    GO NINTENDO AND SONY!

  • iceazeama

    xbox one sucks…………. it sucks

    • ancientgamer

      your giving it to much credit

      • iceazeama

        your right, i should not even mention it. thats to much for even mentioning it right there.

    • https://twitter.com/Onyzora Ony

      No it don’t suck, it’s something else. A new form of console that permits things others console can’t do, like, voice control and shit ? Man it’s awesome.

      Lol just kidding it sucks. :D

  • Jack5221

    Well, seeing how Microsoft screwed over Sony with E3 coverage, Im really glad Nintendo is getting a 90min COMMERCIAL FREE, XBONE FREE, MICROSHAFT FREE preview of ALL the awesome games coming out this year, and next year. Well played Nintendo, I never lost faith in you guys. :)

    • Guest No. 3

      90 minutes?!? *faints with excitement.

  • Rage Train

    People will lay off the Wii U soon enough either because the games will start flooding in and everyone will be buying one or because the trolls will get bored just like they did with the vita (even though the vita still has very little amounts of games you don’t see anyone bagging on it) and will just stop being assholes.

    • smashbrolink

      IMO, the Vita is in a similar position to the Wii U, in that it doesn’t yet have an absolutely killer system-selling title yet.
      If Sony dropped the idea of trying to use it mostly as a PS4 tie-in for remote play and actually focused on getting something truly killer for it, the Vita could at least rise into profitability.
      It wouldn’t beat the 3DS or DS, but it wouldn’t be a mistake anymore, either.
      Honestly, I’m surprised at how little attention Sony has paid to the poor thing. It’s not a bad handheld by most means[though I don't like the nubs they call control sticks], it just needs some loving care as far as system-selling games goes.

  • smashbrolink

    Ahhh……..remember a month or two ago, when people were still highly keen on bashing Nintendo for not doing a stage presentation?
    Now things are finally starting to come clear after that initial explosion. Knee-jerk reactions are giving way to sense, for those with any left, and suddenly the move to keep themselves away from E3 isn’t seen as such a bad thing.
    Given the fact that Nintendo is taking their games out of E3, which the public can no longer freely attend, and out into Best Buy stores around the country, I’d say I prefer Nintendo’s method.
    Even though I can’t get to one of the stores that all this goodness is happening at, the fact that they’re bringing their E3 games to the public in ways that Sony and Micro are not, is a clear sign that Nintendo is still thinking of gamers first.
    Of course, they still need better advertising than just that, but it’s a huge first step towards better market saturation.

  • ancientgamer

    ive heard of dealers nickel n dimeing every one but what microsoft is doing is down right robbery

  • Mochlum

    Oh god, I need my hands on the Wind Waker HD Best Buy demo. I mean, I would love Mario Kart and 3D Mario demos too, but I NEED TO SEE IT IN FRIGGIN HD!

  • Dez

    Spike makes terrible deals, way too many commercials, Microsoft and EA are easily among the worst companies in the gaming industry along with Activision, of course. Can’t forget about them and CoD 5000. But who really cares? E3 has actually been going down the drain over the years. Still kind of interesting at that kind of bias though. Seems a bit desperate from Microsoft as well since they are trying to make up for even governments around the world rejecting their console due to its privacy issues.

  • Linksawakeningisazeldagame

    I don’t think Wind Waker will be playable. I think these will be playable.
    3D Mario
    Mario Kart U
    Pikmin 3
    Wonderful 101

  • bizzygie(disqus)

    Guys beware. I sense another Pachter article coming soon.

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      Too late… Just saw the headline of one that Pachter says the Wii U will have a price cut of at least $50 before the year is out.

    • Guest No. 3

      You are psychic. O_O

  • Kenshin0011

    I can’t believe IGN hasn’t reported that the Sony Press Conference will NOT be televised. I remember everyone ignorantly going apeshit when Nintendo announced they’d do their own E3 conferences via Nintendo Direct.

    • John Andalora

      Not having a conference < one television station not televising the event.

      • Kenshin0011

        huh?

        • John Andalora

          I’m saying that not having a big conference is worse than one television network not airing the conference.
          People went apeshit on Nintendo because they aren’t even making a big speech. Sony is still having a speech, and I could find it online.
          That’s the difference.

          • Kenshin0011

            You’re blind. Nintendo is having a conference, with just as major game announcements as the others, and it’s going to be online the day of E3 on June 11th. Check the countdown at:
            http://e3.nintendo.com/

            And the reason the ignorant internet rage freaked out about Nintendo not having a live conference is because they acting like unless it’s done broadcasted live from E3, than it doesn’t exist and no one will see it on TV, etc.

          • John Andalora

            You’re telling me Nintendo is having a conference in an article about how Nintendo not having a conference is a good thing.

            And I’m the blind one?…
            Nintendo’s still in E3, but they aren’t having a major press conference like the others, which is a big deal. Not taking the opportunity to tell these people at the biggest game conference in America to make cheap videos few people watch on YouTube is dumb.
            Explain how 3.5 million people own a Wii U console, but the most watched Direct only has 300,000 views.
            Clearly they aren’t advertising well.

          • Kenshin0011

            Yes, you are the blind one. Nintendo is organizing its E3 to cater specially for different groups.

            Nintendo WILL have conferences at E3 designed to speak to the industry insiders, press, etc. (i.e. the kind of people who are actually at E3 in person). All of the people at home will get news via a 60 minute Nintendo Direct on E3 day. And the people who don’t watch Nintendo direct specifically will get it from gaming sites like IGN/Gamespot, etc. who will of course post all E3 goodies of ALL 3 companies.

            People act like the information and revelations do not exist unless they’re broadcast live from the E3 floor. It’s blind and dumb. Which leads to my initial post that anyone who’s not at E3 will have to get Sony’s info online only, just like Nintendo. And considering barely anyone watches Spike anyway, or would even prefer gathering their E3 info from Spike rather than the internet, shows that MOST EVERYONE will gain knowledge from online sites like IGN/GS, etc which will cover all three consoles equally

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Logic is lost on him me thinks.

          • John Andalora

            No.
            I use math.

            3,500,000 own a Wii U
            300,000 see ND.

            3,200,000 don’t get info.

            That’s not a good way of communication.

            Apparently I’m the only one putting 2 and 2 together.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            OK this is my last reply.

            And how many of the tens of millions of other console owners actually watch E3 on TV??

            Just because someone did not watch the Nintendo Direct live does not mean the didn’t get the info. Just like it was mentioned before more people read the recaps on popular gaming news sites later. If nearly 10% of Wii U owners are watching Nintendo Direct then that is pretty good because I guarantee you much less then 10% of gamers overall watch E3.

            Now I said Good Day. You can think what you want but please know that you are the minority that enjoys having many devices and plugging and unplugging them in and out. I, like many, see the value that the Wii U offers direct compatibility to it’s previous gen system and access to a game library of the last 30 years almost.

          • John Andalora

            I thought you left!

            E3 is the biggest conference of the year. It’s the one that the most gamers out of the year pay attention to.
            It’s everyones chanceto really show off their big thing, and to really advertise what they truly have to everyone throughmassive press conferences. And, with it being mostly press at a E3, a conference gives leaders a chanceto just talk to the consumers out there without the middle man muddling it up and missingthe point with their own interpretative bullshit.

            So, not taking advantage of that moment is dumb. D-U-M-B.

            I know Nintendo is trying other alternatives that you’d think would be just as good. However, it isn’t. I already told you that most websites don’t have Wii U set up as its own console, it’s difficult to find information about it, and the Nintendo directs just aren’t seen by nearly as many people.
            Also, many people would still rather prefer just seeing what the person has to say so they can make their own call on the matter. I get so sick of articles here that have their interpretations of what the information means or will have for other things. I’d rather just see the conferences or releases myself, and I’m pretty sure many people out there would rather just watch them too so they know for sure.

            As for the other consoleBC crap, you know why I want them to not focus on that? Because it gives them time, money, and room to focus on bigger and better projects. It gives them the opportunity to really expressthemselves and open up to the possibilities of their new system.By forcing limitiations of playing old games, or making constant rebootsof the same game, they just limit themselves and their own potential.

            I like old games, and playing my old games, but if they focusedall their efforts on the new things rather than just making requirements to play old games, I know that they could really impressand do astounding things.

            And if that means I plug in and out a bit more, I’m willing to do that for something amazing.

          • Spookyryu

            I laugh of what you think , sans commentaries mon ami

          • John Andalora

            Proof’s in the pudding.
            Nintendo’s needs adverts. The ones they got aren’t working.
            They need something better.

            Pretty simple stuff to understand, considering that even Nintendo has said there’s a problem with their advertisements but haven’t changed anything.

          • discuss

            Nintendo knights don’t like math.

          • John Andalora

            I’ll keep that in mind.

          • RockGod

            And Everyone who uses the internet will see the news reports about what Nintendo announced :O

            Seriously, How does one not see that?

          • John Andalora

            Have you actually gone to other websites? Most of them don’t have a separate Wii U tab on their website. They have PS4 and Xbox One, but most of the time, Wii U is under Wii.
            And, have you noticed how biased so many of these gaming websites are? Even WiiUDaily is biased, bashing other consoles and concepts with a spin to try and benefit Wii U with some excuse. Most of those websites bash the Wii U as a bad console and practically tell people not to buy it.

            You mean those kind of news reports?

            Nintendo needs to actually just advertise in a way where it’s in your face, out in the world, and that you don’t have to look for it and wade through piles of biased reports and claims. The “Wii Would like to play” commercial was a stroke of genius. Nintendo needs to do something like that.

            These Nintendo directs require people to actually look for them, and most people just don’t know about them. News reports people make up are mostly extremely biased out of the Wii U’s favor, and only hurt what was said.
            Nintendo needs to stop having people look for them: They need to just go to the people.

          • RockGod

            Strange… in my opinion MS has already bought and paid for E3.
            Even Sony is being shunned by the conference now. I believe Nintendo decided to do something different instead so they could cut all the crap fans don’t care about out and just focusing on bringing games and hyping their games for the fans. I mean their even going to have playable E3 demos in over 100 different Best Buys in NA! You might not think that’s a big deal… But who else has that?
            Nintendo doesn’t do very well when they follow the conventional paths that the other companies do.
            Nintendo shines when they shake things up by challenging those conventions.

          • John Andalora

            So spike isn’t presenting Sony stuff at E3. Doesn’t mean that there won’t be online coverage of the press conference.
            The conference is a chance for the people who make the consoles to really show people why they should buy it. Nintendo not taking an opportunity for that isn’t going to help them. Few people know of ND, and even fewer go to places like Wii U daily. With Nintendo not bringing the hype, few people are going to give it much thought.
            Most people already overlook the Wii U demo station because it doesn’t grab people’s attention. Having 1/8 of the BB in NA put on a show isn’t going to do much either, especially when there are more people who live “too far away” from the BB to actually go. I live in northern New York, and all of the Best Buys in my state with demos are 7 hours away. Some states don’t even have BB with demos in them. No matter how “unique” it is, most people won’t be able or willing to go that far to maybe get to play a game for 5 minutes.
            Nintendo became allowed to “challenge conventions” by playing based on standards and following other consoles. Nintendo fought and fought against discs after they failed to make a disc based console until eventually giving in and making smaller sized discs with less capacity to hold things. Their original console was based on cartridge based gaming that had been popular before that. Hell, their first video game console “Color TV” was based off of older pong games.
            Nintendo can break some conventions and succeed, but they still should follow some standard. They can make things on YouTube and get a crowd, but they should still find ways to tell people about it through conventional means, like TV advertisements or magazine ads.

          • RockGod

            You’re absolutely right! All of the media is going to be there, and all the internet will be set abuzz. Tell me again who has the biggest booth (by far)? Now tell me who has the longest list of games to show (by far)? We’ll see who comes out of E3 looking better…

          • John Andalora

            Check a map.
            Sony and Nintendo have the exact same size booth in the West Hall, while Microsofts is a little small. However, Sony managed to get some permanent meeting rooms for other events.
            If you’re going to play the “who’s bigger” game, Sony won.

            But, we’ll just have to wait and see.

          • John Andalora

            small conferences for press that already don’t care about the Wii U is nowhere near as good as just telling people.

            ND’s don’t work because too few people actually watch them.

            Have you gone to websites like IGN? Most of the websites don’t have a separate Wii U tab. They have Xbox One and PS4 tabs, but Wii U is placed under Wii.
            How many people are actually getting the message?

            Nintendo just needs to tell people. Making bigger and better presentations will get people. Hell, I didn’t know about the Nintendo Directs until April. I had no idea.
            Clearly the information isn’t spreading. Clearly there’s a problem.
            Nintendo has even announced that they understand there’s a problem. But they’re not changing their strategy.

            I hope this all has gotten through to people out there.
            I’ll repeat it to be safe.

            1) Websites don’t have separate Wii U tab.
            2) Not enough people get info
            3) Nintendo doesn’t freaking tell them in a way they will always see.

            Remember the “Wii would like to play” commercials and how you saw those all the time? It was in your face and you knew about the Wii and it wasn’t something you had to look for. You didn’t go to look for it: It came to you.

            THAT’S freaking advertising right there.
            Nintendo needs to do that!

          • Kenshin0011

            You’re right about the advertising, they aren’t on top of that at the moment.

            Though your claim that gaming websites don’t have a separate Wii U tab is ridiculous. IGN, Gamespot, and other major gaming sites have a separate tab.

            And you again cannot put E3 into perspective.

          • John Andalora

            1) Then why don’t they get on top of that and advertise it?

            2) Huh. Last time I had seen it, they weren’t on there.

            Oh well. Guess I was wrong on that.
            However, I still think Nintendo should just advertise it in a way that more people will see, and just advertise and be blunt rather than have people looking for the information which can easily be inaccurate or put out of context.

            3) So you can?

          • Kenshin0011

            There’s no excuse for Nintendo’s failed advertising so far. Though I have a theory about what’s going on. Because there are few games at the moment and they are planning to release a lot of them come fall/holiday, they’ve held their tongue until they’re ready to do the big push. They’ve also been taking the months since launch to basically beta test the wii u os and miiverse, work out all the kinks, and have it they way it should be by the end of the summer update. The PS3/360’s online and OS are not what they were when they launched, they’ve been tweaked and tuned majorly since then to make them way better. Wii U will go through the same as well, especially given that this is Nintendo’s first major foray into it. Anyway, I’ll reiterate that I think Nintendo has made some bad decisions, but they are not doomed and have ample opportunity to regain ground, and then some.

            And I can very much put E3 into perspective, and so can most everyone else. It’s a forum where game console makers and developers have annually announced their big plans. Keyword: Announce. E3 has been the megaphone and the world has been the net to catch it all. Though times have changed and the modern day internet has allowed exponential possibilities for information to be conveyed in ways that weren’t possible before. All it takes is a frickin tweet of a dev’s comment about something to enrage the gaming community. Anyway, my point is that E3 in and of itself isn’t has solely important. In regards to conveying hands on information (game demos, hands on stuff, interviews, etc.) is still serves a very important purpose. But as far as using only E3 to communicate to the world directly about your big news? Why stay so limited? Nintendo is going to be at E3 with it’s major game reveals, new game demos, interview opportunities, private press conferences, etc. for the people that are actually there. That’s how it’s always been. The only difference this year is that Nintendo is replacing the live conference with a Nintendo Direct. Reason being, the live conferences are pressed for time and are clunky because they’re trying to appease the viewers at home and the people actually there. It’s really very simple. The information is still going to be broadcasted and all major gaming news sites will post all the Nintendo Direct info. They already did so for all the past Nintendo Directs and those weren’t even E3 ones.

            Sorry for the long post, but your repeated thick headedness requires it.

          • John Andalora

            Making an advertisement push during holidays makes sense, but Nintendo keeps trying to sell a great deal of consoles (once they thought they’d sell 5 million, remember) and do so little to try and get it. A more reasonable strategy would be to at least get some advertisements that more people will see so they can at least draw a crowd for the Wii U and get people excited for E3 to see what they could be selling. Even something on TV that would tell people about Nintendo Directs would be better than advertising so little that only those who have one know about it.
            As for updating the OS, I have 2 points. Everyone here constantly says to defend the long wait that development of the console and games are handled by different sectors of Nintendo. Essentially, Nintendo could make more games while updating the OS in two separate parts of Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft don’t just stop making games while they try to fix their OS, so Nintendo doing so would only stall their profits and make people more impatient.
            Second, I’d personally argue that the April update is terrible. Loading every icon one at a time just feels bulky and unfinished. I would typically turn on my console and click the icon, letting it load for the 23 seconds while looking at the graphic, and enjoy what I got. However, now when I start it and click the icon, it freezes, then a screen pops up telling me it’s loading, then I look at the frozen picture on the screen, then it takes me to the opening screen, and then it starts. I’ve even timed it, and that process is about the exact same speed as the old update with uglier features.
            If Nintendo is working on that rather than games, then it really doesn’t show. I’d rather have the old update that looked better than the clunky one that isn’t nearly as good.

            Finally, you seem to be missing the point for an E3 press conference. Yes, people are going to be reading tweets and articles, but most companies at E3 get lost under the umbrella of every other game developer, tweet, and article. Having a press conference at E3 that people can watch helps them to stand our above the crowd and not be swept away by all the other news out there.
            Yes, Nintendo is a big company, but that doesn’t mean that what they say can’t be lost behind the other developers, or that people will pay as much attention while Microsoft and Sony both push their way onto the stage and gloat about their own console.
            With hundreds of booths at E3 and Nintendo only showing more games like most other people while the other two major consoles make big statements about how their console is the best in the business, Nintendo, with the lack of advertising that they do, has a good chance of being lost in a storm of news in comparison to those on stage.

          • Revolution5268

            but these are the same fools who watch it online.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            So the speech is important to you?? Interesting… The games are what are important to me

            NIntendo is doing a presentation in Nintendo Directs and taking it a step further and having playable games in full and in demo form. Actions speak louder than words or so the saying goes.

          • John Andalora

            Well, Advertising is kind of important.

            You know… Advertising? Where a company actually talks about something in as many ways as they can to make sure that everyone hears it and gets excited for it.

            And, Nintendo Directs fail hardcore. They hardly get 1/4 of the group of people that even own Wii U’s. Clearly only the hardcore people are watching it, and Nintendo should try something different.

            Also, the demo thing isn’t going to work like they hope. People barely keep Wii U demo booths up and running now. Most of the time I go into a store the Wii U booth is off.

            Getting 1/8 of all Best Buy stores in America to hold games is only going to attract those near the area the Best Buy is at.

          • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

            Why don’t just leave this website? Nothing you’re saying is having any influence on us here.

          • John Andalora

            How about no, and because I can say what I think no matter what anyone else thinks, and even if no one cares I can still state what I think and share my view with the world?

            I mean, I don’t think what I’m saying is too crazy here. Even Nintendo has admitted that they haven’t been advertising as well as they could, and admits that they don’t have a lot of games in their library.
            I don’t think backwards compatibility is a good thing because it takes away time and money from the company to add the features to read the old discs and unnecessarily increases price for the customer that even Nintendo is pretty sure already had a Wii based on their Instruction Manual.

            I see a lot of crap here that everyone here eats up: mockery and insults of other consoles immediately, rushing to positive conclusions about the Wii U, restating something that other consoles don’t have because it apparently is a selling point; all while telling people not to insult or mock the Wii U or Nintendo, immediately blame the person for any flaws that the Wii U has that are pointed out, and hating “graphic junkies” who point out that the new consoles have a leg up on Wii U in some areas too.

            I’ve stopped caring whether or not people here agree. I’m just here to state my views and point out what I think are issues with something. If I’m the only one who makes these statements, fine. But I’m a Wii U owner who wants to share his thoughts and experiences with others who own a Wii U, and I intend to continue sharing with others, no matter what they think.

          • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

            How about If your on here sounding like a troll, then you will be regarded as such. Your comments and replies come off as rude and at the very least, inflammatory. If Nintendo did have a conference, nobody who isn’t a gamer would see it anyway because Microsoft got greedy and bought out Spike, the only channel showing E3. If you have a problem with us not liking what you say, then this website is not for you.

          • John Andalora

            Asking someone to leave a website just because i’m not “influencing” any of “you” is rather rude in my book.
            People know about E3, and will be more apt to go online and look for it. Not too many people are aware of the Nintendo directs.

          • Revolution5268

            E3 on stage is not advertisement, if it is then people would know what a wii u is. small majority of people watch e3 on Tv and gets reported as news on Tv.

            this is a BS statement and you know it.

  • Gecko Altair

    Xbox one is truly terrible, the only problem is, is that every douche bag in the world will buy one because they are simply to stupid to know how bad it actually is.

    • HypocritesRROD

      Millions of gamers are gullible. Hypocrite websites like IGN only need to say “xbox one is cool”, then stupid people will blindly believe it and buy that broken thing right away.

    • Guest No. 3

      Well, I’ve already explained my home town is different from most (everyone knows what the wii u is) but I’ve seen a grand total of ONE person praise the Xbone.

  • CapnCrumbles436

    So Micro$oft bought up the official media coverage….Between EA and Microsoft I’m really fed up. I can’t stand their strong arm business tactics. For me they have both crossed the line on several occasions. I wish consumers would stop feeding them, and cut em off.

    As an after thought, no one watches Spike.

    • http://www.senran-international.boards.net/ TwinTails

      Tell that to the fanboys that said Nintendo wouldn’t get any big exposure by not having a press conference. Well how would Nintendo get exposure if Microsoft pretty much bought out the only channel that would even broadcast E3, but said channel has a small demographic to begin with?

      Well I guess we can all thank Iwata for making such a hasty yet effective decision, he must be able to see the future or something.

  • Erik

    So basically the employees at Spike are Biased Shibox fanboys? Hmph, They are more like ESPN….they are TOTALLY biased to the East Coast teams and not giving any kind of love for West Coast sports teams, so this can apply to Spike as well…Being total biased to M$ and not giving crap and shit about Nintendo. I really like Nintendo’s idea of not attending E3 and bringing up demos at Best Buys because its EVERYWHERE in this country whereas E3 maybe big but there are anything but fanboys wanting to jackoff to the Shitbox Done while they don’t realize that M$ is just taking so much money from the consumer base by just charging so much just to make that thing operate!

  • Fuzunga

    You know the Sony press conference is 9-11pm on the East coast, right? No network in their right mind would air a press conference during primetime. Sony’s thing is usually late, so Spike streams it online instead (though G4 used to air it, of course). Last year, Spike aired Microsoft, EA, AND Nintendo. In fact, The Wonderful 101 was first announced on-air with a live demo. The reason they aren’t showing Nintendo’s “conference” this year is painfully obvious. I’m sure they’ll still have game coverage.

  • Jeffrey Debris

    Iwata is like Hannibal from the A-team: “I love it when a plan comes together!” I can almost imagine him with a big fat cigar in his mouth, haha!

  • old_skool

    I’m a big admirer of Nintendo’s software, but I always end up cringing at their E3 conferences so i’m happy to have the direct approach. At the last E3 when reggie left the stage to Nintendo Land fireworks I almost lost faith in their strategy. The great games will come and I’ll be a very happy Wii U owner.

  • Zombie_Andrew

    Just hurry up with the announcements, I’d far rather have two pre E3 announcements, something to wet our appetite more, it’s like Nintendo gave us some appetizers with a very mediocre direct, and now says, ok we’ve got some awesome main course and dessert but you’re gonna have to wait until midnight to eat it. I’m like bitch give me a few new tip of the iceberg announcements to pass the painstaking last few days until E3 damn it!

  • Joshua Brodie

    Who watches E3 on tv anymore? I think the last time I saw it on TV was a year or two before they kick the public out. Personally, I think streaming is the way to go. Gives you better control of what your watching at E3….i.e. I don’t care how your company is doing financially, how many systems you sold or anything else if its not directly related to games or how the system is going to make gaming better. Save that crap for investor meetings or any other event but not at E3.

  • Christopher Acuna

    What the hell happened to unbiased reporting….not in the game industry. Not anymore.

  • synapticflow
    • http://www.facebook.com/gwwampler Gregory William Wampler

      Are you trolling??? That’s from 2012 genius…

      • synapticflow

        I didn’t notice. Smart ass!

  • The True Gamer

    I do admit that having a Microsoft only displayed E3 conference on Spike is sad. I care about all of the major three’s conferences. Nintendo is good for not going to E3. They haven’t really had good E3 conferences lately, and they can show the games in a casual way without any massive expectations, gimmicks, or other random negative effects of some E3 conferences. I hope Nintendo realizes it needs to appeal to us, the gamers.

  • Aamir Islam

    This is one of the many times I will miss G4. R.I.P. Tech TV, ZDTV, G4, G4TechTV. Bye Xplay, Cheat!, Attack of the Show, The Screen Savers, ect. You will be missed :(

  • WIIBOY101 GEEEZA

    nintendos own show IS BIGGER AND BETTER PRODUCTION VALUE IDIOTS TALKING CRAP AND SUCKING THE INDUSTRY POLE A 1 HOUR E3 PLUS OTHER DIRECTS VS MS PON STAGE SAYING SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS COD

    THESE PEOPLE ARE MORONS NINTENDO DIRECTS DESTROY BORING STAGE SHOWS LOL @ THIS DIEING DISRUPTED INDUSTRY

    • IzanagiBlast

      Indeed

  • Irvine Microsoft

    Meh! I’ll be fervently circle jerking with my fellow Xbros, when the conference for Xbox One is shown. Nintendo Drones and Sony Slaves are just jealous of Kinect 2.0 capability. Also, we have the BEST exclusives (Halo + Gears r@pe Mario, Uncharted, etc).

    • Cubester_64

      I’m biased to my opinion, you are biased to your opinion.