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Peter Moore says the Wii U is an offline box in an online world

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EA COO Peter Moore has had no shortage of critical analysis for the Wii U and his latest statement is no different. In speaking to Games Industry, he stated that the Wii U feels like an offline experience and because of that, it’s out of sync with EA’s vision of the future.

“We were there with four games for them [at launch]. It’s been a disappointment when you look at sell-through and, as a company, we have to be very judicious where we deploy our resources. The lack of online engagement that we see on Wii U [is troubling]. It’s so integral to what we do. They’re so small it’s hardly worth running the servers. It seems like a box that’s out of sync with the future of EA – which is one that gives a real social feel to our games. The Wii U feels like an offline experience right now.”

Currently EA has no games in development for Wii U, but the company hasn’t been shy about stating that they would return to developing games for the console should sales and a substantial user base exist. With Ubisoft giving the console until Christmas to turn around, third party support for the Wii u is looking very slim in the next coming months.

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  • ICHI

    He’s obviously never played one

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.moberly Benjamin Moberly

    Guess he must have missed the whole Miiverse thing. Idiot…

    • Nintedward

      This^ What a fucking idiotic thing to say. All 4 of his late ports have online lol…

      Wiiu is just as online as anything else.

      It’s this sort of Pachter-like statement that really makes you clench your fist… Would love to plant 1 in Pete’s face haha!

  • Graham Gillman

    2 words. Fucking Miiverse.

  • Jack5221

    Mii Verse is much better than you’re crappy EA severs that can barely handle a few thousand people without crashing. Remember Sim City? … Yeah… Voted worst company in America for a reason. Their “vision” is basically always online, even while playing single player games. NO ONE wants that EA… Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

    • The Clockwork Being

      Fact: The previous CEO, the one that announced the partnership with Nintendo was bragging about online on the Wii U. Saying that a worldwide online community only seen on a Nintendo system(Miiverse) that worked perfectly for them was on the Wii U. He also mentioned online leaderboards and rankings. The CEO bragged on the Wii U’s online capabilities more then any other 3rd party company yet we see this imbecile not realising this

      • SH*TBLOCK

        This might SHOCK people but in a way I kinda agree with him…let me explain before you dislike my comment.

        Yeah this is another sh*tty shot at Nintendo for the simple fact that Nintendo stop their on-line partnership and yes this is PR since they made a deal with Microsoft, so I will say to everybody take his statements with a grain of salt…BUT there is a portion of that grain that has truth in it.

        Partly because of how and what EA has done and said about the U and us Nintendo fans have countered back EA and partly because of how Nintendo has run their business policies for many years is why the U is where it is at with 3rd party company’s. Look at the number’s people, even for other 3rd party games from Activision, Ubisoft, etc, with even like 4 million WiiU’s sold mostly around 40 to 80 thousand copies of each 3rd party game has been sold, that is BAD when any company looks at their numbers. Around 50 people are on-line for Madden at the same time (but I always get a match on ME3), AC3 you can’t find games, and only around 2,500 people play during the afternoon/evenings on BLOPS 2, now compare that to the other consoles who are in the 100 thousands to millions a day at the same time and you can see the difference here.

        Many U owners have bought the 1st party IPs/known exclusive Nintendo titles and a high amount from either hard copies or digitally have sold close to over a million copies. Does that mean that most Nintendo owners only play off-line or just mostly buy the off-line games on the U and buy other on-line games on the other consoles? I have to say yes. This has to do with the lack of 3rd party DLC support to the U but also because Nintendo has protected their brand so much other the years that they pushed away adult content and 3rd party games for their consoles, which made them a great family brand but turned the so-called core gamer away too. Nintendo has notoriously halted 3rd party support and their ideas for games ever since SNES. They also tried to put creative content deals in place with these company’s which is why many ran to the other consoles where they could make what ever they type of game they wanted. Unfortunately when these consoles blew up and really could compete against Nintendo, Nintendo tried to get back the support of 3rd party company’s in the GameCube age. and they have been trying ever since.

        Yes Nintendo has been cocky and dependent with their own IP’s and they can be because so many will just buy their console for those classic games, but anybody that doesn’t think they need 3rd party support are fooling themselves. You look at the games over the past ten years, on PC, on all the consoles, and into the future. MMO’s, on-line, on-line, on-line, Co-Op, every game has the ability for you to join others and play on-line. Nintendo still has a long way to go, yeah Miiverse is really cool, but it is no LIVE, where you can go message and group voice chat with all your friends and them meet up and play some game together off the fly. The WiiU is powerful enough and can run any of the games that PS4 and Xbox One can/could…BUT where I see it having trouble is trying to run games like “The Division” “The Crew” “Destiny” because of lack of RAM where you would need that to help with running a Co-Op/MMO game on-line.

        Nintendo has always thought safe and conservatively. I love off-line games like Darksider’s 2 and Zelda, and I love games like Mass Effect where I have a great game off-line but can go on-line and have a great on-line experience. I was the one that said in my Game-review of Nintendoland, and NSMBU why don’t these games have an on-line ability, this is the WiiU now, and these games would be that much better if I could play with family, friends, and even some randoms on-line. Nintendo is still thinking we’re the kids of the 80′s where me and my best friends would play side by side and that is still F-ing awesome to do, but now my friends live in NYC, ATL, LA, and we need to have on-line games because WE ARE ALL STILL GAMER’S…FREAKING WAKE UP NINTENDO…AND F*CK EA, F-ING HATERS!!!!

        • The Clockwork Being

          Hey bro I will reply to you and dont think im ignoring it its just I have to read the whole thing and think. Just wait for my reply

        • david jarman

          I would have to say after gamecube. GameCube had a lot of mature themes. Crap, even their commercials were kinda creepy, but cool at the same time.

        • teknik1200

          tl;dr

          go play monster hunter. it’s the only game worth playing anyway.

          Wherever monster hunter goes I will follow.

        • Mario

          I understand why you fell this way.

        • Bobaganoosh

          My friend, well said. All of it.

        • raiden777

          You make a great point about Nintendo needing a bigger online experience. I know Nintendo must know this, and they must have something up their sleeve. C’mon Reggie, c’mon Iwata, you have our support and love, please give us amazing online experience!

          • ThunderGod_Cid

            I’m pretty sure SSBU and MK8 will take care of that next year.

        • Διονύς84

          Congrats. Any freaking Nintendo multiplayer game should have online! How are they expecting four people to sit down and play Mario Party, Nintendo Land, Warioware, NSMB, Wii Party (U) and a whole bunch of other games? With online all these games would have awesome replayability

        • Andrew W Garttmeyer

          THIS. I STILL CANNOT BELIEVE, that I could not play 4v4 wii Bowling against my friends in another state. Imagine, every Thursday night you got 3 friends at your place, 4 at another, and enter a huge tournament. What a ball dropping that was imo.

        • $39063977

          well said. nintendo are in their own league. it will be a long time, if ever, before they join the rest of the world. they had a chance with the wiiu but they messed up (or chose otherwise) with their arrogant and close minded decision-making (hence the lower specs and ram). 2g of RAM are a very low spec and noone can do anything about it

    • Satoru Iwata

      Please understand, that Peter Moore has no credibility, just like EA’s Origins online service. Well said, honorable fan.

      • teknik1200

        If I could just stop myself from playing monster hunter, but then again why on earth would I want to do that?

        • ICHI

          Hallelujah brother!

      • raiden777

        Are you really Iwata San ?

        • ICHI

          No, there’s a Shigsy and Reggie on here too. They’re all about as real as the Sonic and Mario accounts but its sometimes funny.

        • dr scoobie

          Its fun to pretend.

    • Matthew Stapleton

      I would have to agree with Mr. Iwata. Up until today, I had never heard of Peter Moore lol.

      • Hugh Quinn

        trust me mate, you do not want to know who Peter Moore is.

        • dr scoobie

          according to a google search he is either
          a serial killer, a australian footballer or the COO of EA

          None of those are very nice things to be.

      • ThunderGod_Cid

        Everything this man touches turns to crap, he was the president of Sega(US) during the Dreamcast days, I believe he was at Atari/Infogames for a bit, he had brief stint at Microsoft, and from 2007 to now he’s been slowly turning EA into shit.

    • Rafael Saldana

      Hell yea, EA should make a console and see who buys that piece of crap

    • http://waluigi.com/ Waluigi

      Peter Moore is a stupid man in a crazy world

      • gimpcell

        He is a connected man in an online world.

        • ICHI

          Unless he’s online he doesn’t work?

    • Noah Hood

      Not just voted worst company in America. But if I remember correctly, voted worst company in america two years in a row. And I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with being online even with single player games. For example on New Super Mario Bros U, your able to see what other people are saying about levels, even when your playing by yourself. That is a feature that makes of use to being online even while playing a single player game. What’s wrong is being FORCED to be connected online. You should always have the option to play a game whether your online or offline. That’s my opinion. As for EA… They really need to get they’re act together. But that’s the understatement of the gaming year, and I don’t think that they will shape up anytime soon. However, I will try to be optimistic.

    • $39063977

      you honestly think that 1000 gamers online building, running, sharing across thousands of cities on the simcity servers is the equivalent of 1000 people reading and posting comments on miiverse? my friend, stop fooling yourself. the ratio’s probably closer to 1:1000000

    • Brett deBrain

      One of the problems is that EA really subscribes to a business model (nickel and diming people to death) that has done well but is really starting to piss people off. I know many people that are considering refusing to even get a X-Box-One-line all the time so we can spy on you. because they want you on line all the time and you don’t actually get to OWN your games anymore (can’t share – cant give them away — prices aren’t actually any lower)

      If Nintendo plays their cards right, and when have they lately, they could really benefit from the backlash that is forming.

      That being said they really do need to improve their online play just don’t make it a requirement!

  • Billy_Perry

    Again, huge problems for Nintendo. I think Nintendo miss fired on the Wii U, the gamepad is an expensive feature that dosen’t add as much as the cheaper Wii mote did. because of this, they can’t lower the price, they can’t offer competitive hardware, and they can’t offer competitive services. They have invested too much in the gamepad, and frankly, it isn’t as good as the Wii Mote, and as a result, they are left with a product that is only enticing to the Nintendo faithful.

    • D.M.T

      Stop believing everything you read dude. 3rd party publishers lie a lot to be politically correct. They blame every failure on something else rather than blaming themselves. They also love to make excuses when it comes to making games for Nintendo consoles. Stop believing everything 3rd parties say.

      Game publishers are like politicians: liars, lazy asses and money hungry.

      • Billy_Perry

        What do you think that EA is lying about? Nintendo have a product that 3rd parties don’t like, how is that a lie?

        • D.M.T

          I have a funny feeling that you won’t understand no matter what i say but I want other readers to understand so I will explain because i don’t want them to believe the nonsense you are posting on every Wii U article. Let’s do baby steps:

          1. Nintendo can offer powerhouse consoles if they want to but they don’t because the last time they offered us a powerful console (GameCube) it didn’t sell. Everyone bought the underpowered PS2 instead.

          2. Wii U is not an offline console. Miiverse is Wii U’s social media app which is way better than Twitter and online multiplayer is great and free.

          3. EA lied about Wii U not being able to run their Frostbite Engine and that is not true, they admitted it’s not true.

          4. EA lied about Wii U being weaker than last gen consoles and that is not true either.

          5. EA lied about PS4 being more powerful than high end PCs and that is not true either.

          I can go on and on but you get the point. They lie all the time and ignoramuses like you believe their lies.

          • Billy_Perry

            I’m not a fanboy, I shape my opinions on ideas or trends that can be backed up by evidence and examples.

            Some of your examples are true, and I do agree that yes they do lie. However, it does not negate what I stated, Nintendo have a product that 3rd parties do not like, for various reasons.

            It is idiotic to assume that EA have lied, and thus will lie about everything, you must think critically and skeptically about their claims and make your own judgement.

            I think recent stories support my point perfectly, that 3rd party developers do not like the Nintendo Wii U.

          • Billy_Perry

            Sorry, I feel that my other reply does not do you justice, so I’m going to go through your points and discuss them.

            1) Nintendo can’t offer a console that is as powerful as Sony and Microsoft, this is a business issue. To provide a console that is powerful at a reasonable price, Nintendo would have to take heavy loses, (As Microsoft and Sony do). However, they could not do it to the same extent (not even close to how much the others do it.) because they don’t have other sales to spread that cost over, Microsoft and Sony both are industry leaders in other industries (TV, Media, Computing). Nintendo is simply a video game company, and thus can’t take heavy loses on their game consoles as they have fewer revenue avenues to fall back on. Thus, if Nintendo did try to compete with Microsoft or Sony on power, they would always loose out, they will never be able to do it to the same extent.

            2)I didn’t say it was an offline console, but neither did EA. They said that if feels more like an offline console, they are simply comparing the servers that they have for Wii U compared to those for other platforms. The Wii U has so few EA servers that it feels like it is a offline platform to them. He is not stating it is, just implying it is in comparison. The amount of online players the Wii U has, is vastly smaller than other platforms, surely you can understand that?

            3) They did not explicitly state it could not run, simply it performed poorly in the test runs, and would thus have to be scaled accordingly. EA’s point was not that it wouldn’t run, but that the resources required to make it run smoothly vastly outweighed the benefits for them at this time, however they later admitted that it was possible to get it to run, just not financially viable.

            4) They didn’t say it was weaker, but more in line with those consoles rather than the PS4 and the XBOX ONE, which to be honest, is a matter of perspective, however I know a lot of people would agree with him.

            5) Yes this one I agree with you on, that was completely ridiculous. However, again it could be argued that they were referring to the amount of power that a high end PC has left after it has accounted for the background programmes such as the OS and everything else. It is well known that PC specs have to be a log higher in order to get similar performance to a console because of all the extra tasks they are running in the background. In this sense, the PS4 is very much so in line with a high end PC, after you account for the power that is taken up in background tasks. It wasn’t an out and out lie.

            Do you now see that I’m not on anyone’s side about this, I’m just trying to judge things critically from as many different perspectives as possible. I hope the points I made allow you to reconsider your positions on said issues.

  • gamesplayswill

    Peter Whore is also a liar!

  • gamesplayswill

    J/K

  • Mochlum

    Err…. Miiverse? That really good social-network for Nintendo fans? With great ways to share opinions, fanart, scores, and more? Has he even PLAYED the system?

    • Jack5221

      Obviously he has not. O well, his loss, not ours.

    • Agent721

      I doubt he plays any system…at that level, its all about dollars & cents.

    • The Clockwork Being

      I think he simply is ignorant.

    • greengecko007

      Miiverse is a great online network, but having more Wii U games with online multiplayer would definitely be nice.

      • Mochlum

        That’s true. This guy may be referring to the fact that all of Nintendo’s current first party titles have no online mutliplayer. (Nintendo Land should’ve and didn’t, NSMBU should’ve and didn’t, Game and Wario didn’t, but that game’s unique play may not work with online.) Is there any games I’m missing?

        • Kaihaku

          What I really want is online multiplayer for the Virtual Console, especially with integrated Wii U Chat. It would be great to play old classics again with my brother who now lives on the other side of the country while being able to hear his voice and glance down to see him G+ hangout style on the gamepad.

          • Mochlum

            Yeah, that would be pretty cool, but it is unlikely. I would love to play Mario Kart: Double Dash online… I would love to have any classic MK online… or any Gamecube games…

          • Kaihaku

            Unfortunately it does seem unlikely but not for mechanical reasons. Emulators have had online play for at least a decade and the multicore processor would make it a simple matter to run Wii U Chat simultaneously. But it’s not likely to happen because Nintendo has a design philosophy that really emphasizes local multiplayer.

            I love local multiplayer but it’s just not feasible for me…the people I use to play with live from four hours to three days away by car. The thing that disappoints me is that the Wii U is the perfect console for local style online multiplayer, I keep on thinking isn’t this why Nintendo put a camera and microphone in the controller? Why isn’t Nintendo using it to let me glance down and see my brother’s face after he pwns me in a game?

          • Mochlum

            Yeah, it kind of annoys me of how Nintendo puts their personal preferences of playing locally in front of much of the gaming community’s preferences. I luckily live near a Nintendo gamer, but I do have a number of online friends who I would love to play games like New Super Mario Bros with.

    • Kaihaku

      Electronic Arts no longer has a stake in seeing the Wii U succeed and it seems like that they’ll say anything to justify that. The odd thing is that they could have released one clear statement explaining their position, like Ubisoft, and let it go at that. Instead they keep on jumping around not only on why they no longer support the Wii U but also on how they feel about Nintendo in general. It’s like they don’t have a PR department.

      • Zelly Jeffers

        Kicking Nintendo has also been in for quite some time. Seems a lot of companies feel they gain credibility by poking fun at Nintendo, cashing in on that ‘Hardcore gamers don’t play Nintendo systems’ mindset so many gamers have developed.

    • dr scoobie

      i doubt peter plays any system for that matter.

  • Sonic the Hedgehog

    Moore can go screw himself. He was the one who halted Dreamcast. And now he is ruining EA.

    • Matthew Wesley

      I think EA was already on it’s way to ruin at madden 5000 jillion…

  • Kenshin0011

    Wow, are you serious? Maybe Nintendo first party games lack some online that could be there, but Miiverse is amazing! Definitely an ONLINE experience that other consoles wish they had

  • Andreas Sunde

    “The lack of online engagement that we see on Wii U [is troubling].”
    Do you mean that few people play online on your games? Maybe that’s because three out of four games are shit. Ever thought of that?

  • XroyD

    This is what Mario had to say: ”Here we go again!”

    • Matthew Stapleton

      Now how many of us read that in Mario’s voice LOL.

      • XroyD

        LOL, yeah that was the purpose.

  • Andreas Sunde

    EA’s vision of the future is “The Cloud” so that they can justify their DRM.

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      DING DING DING!! We have winner.. And if people think EA has learned it’s lesson after the recent SimCity debacle then they are clueless.

      I work in IT management and I have to say the Cloud is more bad than it is good. Great for convenience but terrible for privacy and security. I guess that is why I have my own personal cloud with my Home Server that I can access my data anywhere I have an internet connection without relying on some server I have no idea where that is.

  • D.M.T

    I disagree but there’s nothing wrong with being an offline box in an online world.

    This is why a lot of Sony and MS fans don’t have real life friends because they are used to playing online with strangers and social rejects just like some of them.

    • greengecko007

      “This is why a lot of Sony and MS fans don’t have real life friends because they are used to playing online with strangers and social rejects just like some of them.”

      Wow, the fanboyism is strong with this one. And what exactly are you basing this on? Absolutely nothing.

      • D.M.T

        I knew that someone would come at Sony and MS’s defense by calling me a fanboy. Believe whatever you want dude but I know I’m not a fanboy. I owned both a PS3 and Xbox 360 and a lot of gamers need online multiplayer because they can’t invite friends to their house to play video games like Nintendo fans do. Nintendo fans are used to playing together in the same room while a lot of Sony gamers are not used to it,they are used to playing with strangers online.

        • Adrian

          In college, 6 years ago, Smash 64, and Mario Party, and Mario Kart 64 were what brought people together in my dorm room to play. Man those were the days. Owning everybody at Smash and Kart…

          • Mario

            But things have changed over the years. But one thing that never changes is Nintendo.

        • greengecko007

          What makes you think that there aren’t people like that on Nintendo systems, or at the very least, won’t be once the Wii U starts selling better? If you are trying to say that Nintendo fans are excluded from the group of people you so eloquently called “social rejects”, I’d definitely say you are a fanboy.

          Since you own both a 360 and PS3, I’m sure you know all about how both consoles have games that support both online and local multiplayer.

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        I agree to an extent. Playing on XB Live and Online with people I do not know is not very fun to me. I find that many are very rude and downright ignorant. I much rather play with people I know and having them in the same room is better than online IMO.

        • greengecko007

          It’s not a question of which form of multiplayer is better, but rather that DMT apparently thinks only Sony and Microsoft systems have what he calls “social rejects” online.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            I understand your point because when the internet is involved you will always have to deal with the trolls and social rejects that will come on.. I find that with my PC or on my consoles which really turns me off on online gaming with strangers. Makes the whole experience unenjoyable.

          • greengecko007

            Gaming with friends you actually know has always been more enjoyable for me, whether it has been online or local. I agree with you, playing online multiplayer without any friends isn’t nearly as enjoyable as the alternative, and isn’t really any different than playing offline with AI (for games that have that).

  • Agent721

    Then WTF happened with Simcity????!!!!! These guys speak as if we live in a vaccum. This company is truly an embarresement. Between re-ashes of the same sports & racing games every year, or a inferior copy of someone elses idea (Army of 2), were not missing much. BF is the only franchise of true high quality left at EA. The rest are low quality sequels and bad ideas done better by other companies. Lets quit pretending theyre Rockstar or Naughty Dog…

  • Wii Uoops!

    Oh, shut up. He’s obviously butthurt from EA not being allowed to own the Wii U’s online services with their games…

    Wasn’t there a story on that? Somewhere? Oh dear. I think I’ll pass this on to someone else now… to elaborate…

    • sdmac200600

      Ahh looks who’s back. Haven’t seen you in forever dude

  • Adrian

    I’m a hater…I hate forced online integration. I never use any WiiU online features except netflix. Games….are games to me, not social trophies. I appreciate what Miiverse is, although I’ve never used it. I appreciate that I’m not forced to use it.

    Edit: I use the eShop as well :).

  • jeffp3456

    I have to agree with him!
    I have at least 2 friends who would have bought wiiU’s if we could have played NSMBU online together. We like to game at night and for various reasons none of us wants to drive over to the others houses.
    I really can’t understand N’s unwillingness to think outside of Japan.

    • sdmac200600

      I was just about to say this. Nintendo needs to get with the times. It’s 2013 and they currently have no games online. Yes I know smash and Mario Kart but that’s only two. Nintendo needs to get away from making people go to each other’s houses just to play Mario. The people who was around with the original Nintendo are grown up and don’t have no time to go over their friends house just to play a game of Mario. At the very least Nintendo, include online multiplayer with your local multiplayer games.

      • DragonSilths

        Agree.

        Games like Mario Party, New Super Mario Bros U, and Super Mario 3D World should all have online. The sole reason I’m not getting 3D World is cause I dont want 2 Mario games that are all about Co-op but no online co-op. If 3D World was the launch Mario instead of NSMBU then I would have gotten it. But 2 hell no. Add online, I’ll get it.

        • sdmac200600

          I’m getting 3D world for the fact that I know my bro is gonna wanna play it when he get’s home from college if he doesn’t already buy a Wii U before then. I was gonna buy it regardless but if I didn’t have an older bro interested in the game, I wouldn’t be buying day 1

        • Mochlum

          The most we have ever gotten besides Smash and Mario Kart is Kid Icarus and Luigi’s Mansion. And those are 3DS games! Isn’t Wii U supposed to be Nintendo’s super online system?

          • DragonSilths

            Yup. But Nintendo has a issue pulling the online trigger for some reason.

  • nin-10-doughfan

    greedy fella!

  • Adrian Brown

    it’s a shame. On the SNES era the brad EA or EA Sports were incredible names, but now they are selfish idiots with poor arguments. They say they don’t publish sports games on Wii U because there is no fanbase, well how can you have a fanbase if you don’t built it? They are mad at Nintendo because they wanted to take control over its online functionality but they couldn’t, that’s all. I want to see how they will swallow their words once the Wii U sales will jump to sky, and companies like Ubisoft and WB will sell thousands of copies while they will not sell anything, just because we gamers have memory.

    • Adrian

      Ahh! It’s you! I mean it’s me! Ahh! What!?

      • Adrian Brown

        lol good to see me again

  • wober2

    So… Mass Effect 3 / Madden / FIFA / Need for speed are not getting the online play EA expects… Only one that is surprising to me is Need for Speed. The rest seem more fun solo or with someone in the same room.

    I really do not understand why EA is being this unprofessional in lambasting Nintendo. They seem to throw their personal opinion out there and show little tact. I would think a major corporation would not burn bridges and say negative things to a company that does sell (albeit only a few) their games. They really are not even direct competitors why would EA feel the need to damn them. Ubisoft mentions lack of sales and wait and see mentality but does so with so much more tact…

    • wober2

      Next week: EA thinks nintendo is shit because “A” and “B” buttons are different then xbox….

      • Agent721

        LOL!!!

  • $41809923

    online games should be on wii u but we should have both offline games and online games too not just one side thing of games

  • RockieOllie

    In some ways Peter Moore is right and other ways he is wrong.
    Nintendo is lacking key features made standard by it’s competitors that really make the system feel outdated (for a lack of a better word). No built in ethernet port, archaic voice chat system and lack of online play in some games really hold the system back.

    But I will say that Miiverse is a great feature to talk with other gamers and developers some times directly. I just wish there were other ways to interact with the miiverse community other than talking and sharing sick art work.

    • D.M.T

      Did you just say that no built-in ethernet port makes the Wii U feel outdated compared to other next-gen systems? Wow…just wow.

      The reason for no ethernet port is simple: it’s 2013 and most people have wireless internet now.

      • sdmac200600

        Wired connection is always better than wireless.

        • david jarman

          That’s not entirely true. Are we talking about wire connected to wireless interenet source or wired as in cable?
          If its cable then that’s not true cause cable is actually shared with that community so when everyone is home your interenet speed will drop and you will have lag.(in most cases especially peak hours) I have a wired connection to my wireless interenet and its is awesome. Plus, it depends on your bits per second.

          • sdmac200600

            I’m talking a high speed ethernet cable connected direct to the router. There is less of a chance for your internet to drop if it is connected directly to the router than with it being connecting wirelessly.

          • david jarman

            Agree. That’s what I have with my wii u. I have a high speed cat 6 Ethernet cable connected to my router using an Ethernet to USB adapter.

          • sdmac200600

            Wait, how? The Wii U doesn’t have an ethernet port.

          • david jarman

            I’m using a LAN adapter with the USB port.

          • sdmac200600

            Ah I need one of these. Can I get a link to where you bought it?

          • david jarman
          • david jarman

            This one is better. This is the one I have.
            http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000X2DP8O/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

          • sdmac200600

            Awesome! Thanks.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            I have the same thing.. I had one with my Wii and kept it because it works with the Wii U. Well worth the investment.

        • Yoshi5081

          Sorry but if u got a good internet u got nothing to worry about it…

          • sdmac200600

            I don’t care how good my internet is. I have 5 people in my house who uses the internet at the same time. our Smart TV uses the internet. I can’t control how many people are on my internet at once. If it was my choice, nobody but me would be on the internet. it’s a fact that wired internet is WAY more stable and a much better connection than wireless…

          • greengecko007

            And what is “good” internet? Because I maintain a 20mps connection on my laptop while playing on PSN, with an ethernet cable in my PS3. Without the internet cable, there is a noticeable increase in lag while playing online games.

            The reality is that many things can cause interference with wireless internet, as any internet provider will tell you. And no, not everyone wants to rearrange all the furniture and electronics in their house to provide an optimal wireless connection speed. Wireless works perfectly fine most of the time for menial things like playing on an ipad or using a laptop, but for a family using the internet in one house, a wired connection is the only way to go for a video game console.

          • dr scoobie

            Wireless not good for family.

            while i was download a game on the wiiU
            while setting up my PSN account
            while streaming a movie on my laptop
            while downloading a game on my 3DS
            the internet kept cutting out :(

            i also get infra red interferance which is odd.
            my wii remote doesnt work in that room,
            pointer goes into a fit.

            i also get interferance from cables.
            when my tv cable is touching other cables i
            get lots of static.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            False… Internal Wireless will always be faster than the incoming internet connection unless you have an old Wireless B router or something. Wired is way more stable even if it is 100Mbs compared to Wireless N 300Mbs. Wireless has to accept any interference from other wireless devices in your home or even your neighbor’s wireless output. For that reason I ran Gigabit wireless throughout my home and wired all my stationary devices such as my SmartTVs, XB360, Wii U, BluRay player, HTPC, etc… and reserved the wireless for those devices that are mobile.

        • dr scoobie

          What about both?

      • RockieOllie

        Wired > Wifi it has always been that way bruh.

        • DragonSilths

          Yet people are sick of having wires all over the floor. If Wi-fi for you isnt very good, get a better internet.

          • Adrian

            A wired connection definitely trumps a wireless one. But a wireless one is sufficient for many games.

          • Nothing5555

            Agreed wire > wireless, but if your ISP has latency issues then it doesn’t matter what type of connection your console has.

          • sdmac200600

            You sound like Don Mattrick…If you move the wires out the way (YEAH you can do that), they aren’t all over the floor…

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        I agree but some people like to use wired where they can… They do make an adapter for the Wii U to get wired internet. I had it with my Wii and it works with the Wii U too.

    • Michael DeVore

      It supports 802.11n so I’d hardly hold not having an outdated Ethernet port against it. Given that it’s for connecting to the Internet and LAN is not really its focus. Besides 600mbps out paces most Ethernet connections you’ll get at a reasonable price. Heck, my Switch still only does 10/100mbps and my Internet is 10mbps at its best. No one uses 10gbps Ethernet for gaming unless they are running a WoW Style Server, or are easily dupted into buying shinnies.

      Are you interested in these Gold Plated HDMI Cables? They’ll make your Digital Audio Sound Better.

      • RockieOllie

        When it comes to internet connectivity a wired connection will always more secure and reliable than wireless. That’s proven.

        • Michael DeVore

          Not really. Any connection to the Internet should be treated as if it’s publishing everything about you to the world. Because it is.

          Only a stand alone device is more secure.

          • RockieOllie

            Well not more secure, wrong choice of words, but more reliable and more faster. It has been proven:

            http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_wired_networks_have_faster_transmission_speeds_than_wireless_networks

          • Michael DeVore

            Faster is irrelevant. 802.11n can saturate any Internet connection you could have. Reliable is certainly an issue if there is too much noise. However, N is fairly robust in this regard. Speed is only an issue when you’re doing a comparison of the LAN and to beat N you’re going to have to have a Gigabit LAN or a switch with a lot of traffic. Both are unnecessary for home use. The extra latency WiFi can add is nothing compared to the first hop on your ISP so the difference of 1% or less lag is rather meaningless and is better served by convincing your ISP to turn off interleaving, but they won’t so don’t bother, and it would probably decrease your effective speed while decreasing your lag. It’s a basic No Free Lunch problem.

          • RockieOllie

            Faster means smoother online gameplay, this shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp Bruh.

          • Michael DeVore

            And unless you’re stupid and believe that Gold Plated HDMI cables will Improve your Digital Audio you won’t see any difference between a N connection vs a LAN connection. Like those idiots who think they can see a difference at 120fps with only a 60hertz monitor.

          • RockieOllie

            …………….. I’m done. It’s either your trolling me (which your doing a good job if you are) or you are stubborn and won’t admit what your saying isn’t true.

          • Michael DeVore

            Not trolling. Just a Programmer who knows that a 600mbps N connection is going to rofl stomp most hard wired lans, and outside of Kansas you’re not going to find a single internet connection it won’t be able to max out. Your the stubborn fool who can’t even read his own links to grasp the basics to understand your claim is patently false.

          • RockieOllie

            Quote from the link

            “If you are trying to decide which network is right for you, each offers
            benefits. Wired networks supply speed and reliability and avoid many
            headaches of wireless networks: connection requires that you be able to
            physically attach to the network, preventing neighbors from stealing
            your internet and eliminating the passwords necessary for wireless
            networks.”

            LOL! Yeah..okay whatever you say bruh.

          • Michael DeVore

            How about “Most computers today only have 10/100Mbps wired network cards” and then lookup what the speed of 802.11n actually is. Since you seem to believe you can comprehend what those articles stated.

          • RockieOllie

            Lets assume for wireless you’re running 802.11g. At this point your max throughput would be 54Mbit/s.

            For wired, I’m going to assume100BASE-TX as the most common. At this point you’re limited to 100Mbit/s so twice as fast.

            But this is max throughput. In real life, you may never even approach
            54Mbit/s how fast is your connection to the outside world? 2Mbit? 4
            Mbit? 6??

            Wireless is more prone to interference, but probably not enough to drop
            your 54Mbit/s to any slower than your internet connection.

            You can thumb this stuff down all you like, it isn’t going to make it any less true.

          • Michael DeVore

            So rather than admit you’re wrong you’re going change 802.11g to try and make your point. That’s a formal suppression fallacy, and a straw man if you didn’t know. The argument is over N and not over G. N out strips your home use lans without even trying. N is going to be 6 times faster than your 100mbps lan.

          • RockieOllie

            Woops it was 802.11n not 802.11g my bad. (That is me admitting my mistakes when i am wrong) Yes, 802.11n is faster than wired, but as i keep saying as long as wireless connections are prone to interference it will not be as steady as wired.

            Maybe in the next 2 years your statement that Wireless > Wired will be true. but as of right now. No. No it is not.

          • dr scoobie

            Fiber optic is faster and more reliable,
            unless you bend the cable a tiny bit.

            i swear to god if someone bends the cable a few degrees,
            now that i think about it, im not sure if i even have fiber optic
            or where the cables are.

    • DragonSilths

      Wifi is the present and future. Nobody I know uses the Ethernet Cord for online on their system.

      • greengecko007

        Fun fact, just because you don’t know any people that use a wired connection, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        I know you do not know me but I used wired over WiFi where I can.. I have my entire house wired with gigabit ethernet. I have my XB360, Wii U, SmartTVs, HTPC, BluRay Player all connected with a wire.

        Wireless is fine for my laptop(s), tablets, and phones but wired is way more consistent and has a higher and more constant throughput. I figure those devices are not moving around the house and are not mobile so why not give them the better wired connection.

  • Nintendo Hater

    Once again, he’s right please EA boycott Nintendo

  • everyone

    Only release 4 games that have already been out for a long period then procede to complain that the sales aren’t there. Of course the sales aren’t going to be what you expect because most people already own them and by the time they came out on Wii U the price has dropped on each significantly. Not everyone likes to play multiplayer shooters online you know.

  • Nintendo Hater

    I will create a petition to ask 3rd party Devs/publishers to boycott Nintendo

    • NkoSekirei

      the only petition i sign is the one that gets ur @$$ banned off this site troll

  • Petri

    Most EA games that I have liked, has been offline.

    They f’d up BF3, last of their online game series I liked.
    I actually enjoyed more playing BF: Bad Company 2 on online, than BF 3,
    and BC2 was more campaign oriented.

    Dead Space was ruined with crappy online play.

    If they ruin Mirror’s Edge with crappy online, EA will be dead to me.

    Bethesda gets it, if you don’t know how to make (good) online modes, don’t.

    • Gabe Hoffman

      No to mention Sim City which was a DRM filled mess

      • Petri

        Never played EA Sim games.
        But I did experience the Diablo 3 launch, so I guess I can somewhat relate.

    • DragonSilths

      But Bethesda cant program worth a shit. Every game of theirs has glitches all over the place lol. They suck.

      • dr scoobie

        Their glitches are funny.
        Flying mammoths
        360 degree rotating heads
        visits to outer space via trolls
        Flying horses
        bucket head glitch
        and many many more.

      • Petri

        Yeah, pretty much, but they still make games worth to play, only Brink being a game thats actually in pretty much all aspects, shit.
        Not expecting much from Wolfenstein though.

  • Nintendo Hater

    Nintendo needs to Die Already they’re such a joke to core gamers…

    • NkoSekirei

      u know nothing about core gamers bitch do us all a favor and stfu troll

  • Krypton Keeper
  • Mark Thom

    EA WHY U HATE8 NINTENDO DAM

    • NkoSekirei

      cause they couldnt get their way by having origin on wii u but nintendo said no and they started throwing a sissy fit over it wat abunch of pansies

  • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

    Translation: Nintendo will not back EA in charging for every little thing online. We cannot influence Nintendo like we do Microsoft and Sony. Oh and we at EA never really turned a Wii U on so we are idiots to what the Wii U is about.

    Oh and we want to win the Worst Company in America Award again next time. It is the only trophy we can get.

    • greengecko007

      “We cannot control Nintendo like we do Microsoft and Sony.”

      In what ways do they control Microsoft and Sony? Especially since Microsoft decided against used game DRM policies, a big slap in the face to EA.

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        OK OK… Control is a strong word… Maybe influence would be a better word.

  • Christopher Coonan

    And what, the Dreamcast was an online box in an offline world?

    Peter Moore: you could die tomorrow and I wouldn’t bat an eye.

  • Larry Howell

    Yeah, because Nintendo fans are second class gamers who will eat up shitty ports and ask for more. Peter Moore, you cataclysmic asscrater.

  • Clel

    We can see that EA is working hard for worst company in America… three years in a row! Keep it up EA, you’re doin’ great!

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      They already got the Worst Company in America 2 years in a row.. They are well on their way for #3

      • XroyD

        Going for the 3peat!!!!

      • MetroidZero

        3 = 3

        Half-Life 3 Confirmed.

        Sorry I had to :P

      • Clel

        I mean to say three XD edited it now

    • Matthew Wesley

      3 years in a row if they keep this up!

  • Dez

    EA and Peter Moore, honestly, what were people expecting him to say? Peter Moore has publicly badmouthed EA’s own consumers basically calling them idiots for not buying into EA’s bullshit policies. By the way, Peter Moore has always been a douchebag and EA always releases shit and has won the Worst Company in America award two years running, no company has ever done that before.

    EA has the worst policies in gaming and anyone who buys EA game is a part of the problem. How many times do they need to publicly lie, moderate their forums like the Gestapo, backtrack every other day, buy small development studios give them a project utilizing EA’s policies and then close them down when they obviously fail. EA is a fucked up company which treats their employees as bad as they treat their consumers.

    FUCK EA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • andrewjcole

    It can be done. Trine 2, Sonic Racing, Monster Fighter Ultimate. I call it laziness. Nintendo is just too good for their trash.

  • Michael DeVore

    Yes, out of sync with Peter Moore’s Always Online DRM Vision.

    Its online functions work just fine. The only thing he could object to is that it CAN work offline. The only reason to hate something because it CAN work offline is if you want Always On DRM.

  • MujuraNoKamen

    Oh no, heaven forbid we have a console that offers a good engrossing single-player service! All us gamers want is repetitive online competition in FPS and sports games, and servers that crash every 5 minutes like that masterpiece Sim City.
    Really though this is horse shite, Wii U wasn’t profitable for you because your a shit company, 9 out of 10 of your games are shit, the Wii U games you made were shit, and they were all late, lazy ports so why would we buy them? If you’d have let Crytek port Crysis 3 over as they planned rather throwing a tantrum then things might look up for EA on Wii U. Then you started blaming Wii U for it saying it’s weaker than a 360 etc, so you weren’t helping yourselves. Wii U is “online” fucktard, it’s got Miiverse for socializing, sharing art, screenshots etc. Online games BO2 work as well on Wii U as they do on 360. Your laziness and selfishness is why your Wii U ventures failed. Stop making excuses and fix it.

  • Thomas Vienna

    Electronic Arts sure is vocal about the Wii U. Most other companies don’t say as much about a single complementing product, because they’re busy doing their job. Jobs like coding their games to said product properly.
    #take-the-hint

  • audi lover

    Yeah his idea of an online future for EA is robbing his customers with thousands of micro transaction what a tool, I wont even buy your games on pc so I wont on any console either

  • Super Buu

    What if I tell you that I like offline much more than online, EA? Remember last time you went all online with SimCity? Amazing reception right?

  • Baum 「ツリー」

    Meh, I don’t care wether I’m able to do much online-wise on the U or not since I always preferred playing singleplayer games like Zelda, Metroid and God of War (to add something non-Nintendo-made here ^^) and I only play multiplayer with either my brothers or some friends in the same room.
    BUT(!!) it’s a fact, that the Miiverse is one of the best (if not THE best) online communities I know and visit and I really enjoy browsing through amazing fanart and helping out other people with their problems from time to time and I think, that the games, that have online-multiplayer on Wii U are also top notched (and yes, I count CoD to them since its online mode is fantastic, although I don’t like the campaign…or shooters in general xDD)

  • Only a few are true gamers

    Hahaha Mr moore You sir are a moron..You call nintendo small coming from a man who company got worst company two years in a row…Facepalm mr moore

  • Christopher Acuna

    Wow….. /facepalm. These guys just do not know when to quit.

  • Matthew Wesley

    I say this both as a Nintendo gamer for over twenty years and as an ea gamer for 10: Freak you EA and freak you Peter Moore, you bald headed ninny!

  • Dodge Pribyl

    EA: Trying to sink the Wii U and Nintendo since 2013.

  • Gabe Hoffman

    Why did he expect alot of people to be online when the Wii U version of Madden and FIFA were utter garbage

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      O love how some 3rd parties make trashy ports to the Wii U and blame the Wii U for their trashy ports that they made which often leave out features, access to online, and DLC when compared to the game on other platforms. Seems like a scapegoat tactic to me.

  • Link Slayer

    Now I’m on the fence with Nintendo right now and tbh I’m not even liking them anymore. I could go on to say I’m a trader to Sony. But these stayments are faulse to the highest degree! The Wii U’s problems is lack of games right now I think Nintendo has something great with MiiVerse they just need more high quality games. The only thing I dont care to much about Nintendos online is they dont have a Party chat feature which could be changed with a patch but that alone dont make it a deal breaker for the online. You can bash Wii U’s sales and other things but to make a completely faulse statement like this is bad. It is probably the most connected device on the market right now in terms of console. If it had party chat it would be stand alone best. I’m on the fence with Nintendo I’m a long time fan and they have let me down, but these statemest by EA is just them talking with there two butt cheaks.

    • NkoSekirei

      ur an idiot this is not nintendo faults cause they said no to origin and Ea started crying over it and decided not to support the wii u cause they didnt get their way and Ea has pissed alot of gamers off lately and no one likes origin period

      • Link Slayer

        your the idiot. I’m actully defending Nintendo. I love Miiverse and there robust online place. I think thats Nintendos strong point. Listen I think the Wii U has the potential to be a Game Changer the problem is there is no games hardly to really take advantage of the Wii U and show everyone what its about. I love Miiverse and I also love Wara wara plaza

        • NkoSekirei

          i do agree on some things u said but the issue is thats because the devs are being to lazy to take the risk to make the games for the wii u and the only ones that are doing it is ubisoft,monolith,namco,capcom,and a few others but look i was only disagreeing with u on the part that the ea is the main problem with this feud thats going on between nintendo and them but nintendo did make a right decision to not allow origin on the wii u or Ea would of had complete control over the nintendo network which would suck

          • discuss

            Making a game isn’t about being lazy …. it’s all about money.

            Nintendo has to show them why it’s profitable to make a Wii U game.

          • NkoSekirei

            i think they have plenty of money to make games but its about taking the risk thats part of some of the devs problems

          • Link Slayer

            I agree man there not taking any risks! A lot of people are making big talk about Titanfall that was probably my least favorite game of the E3 showing. I like single player campains not just multiplayer. I love multiplayer but I have to have a single player campain

          • NkoSekirei

            heres another thing how can they expect the console to sell well if theres no games for it and these devs think they should wait for the sales to go up and having games for it increase sales for the system which got me very concern about supporting them if they pull this kind of crap wait and see game they should be pushing out games to help the system grow instead their not taking the risks which they should be doing.

          • Link Slayer

            It seems Nintendo is getting the raw end of the deal here really and its been that way it seems since the n64 days. I wonder if it has something to do with the arragance they used to have and how they went with the cartrage and stuff. They are changing there ways for the good of things right now. They are starting to run there buisness like a modern company but I hurd they ran things like it was the 90s and developers didnt like that. But it seems they are working with 3rd parties so much better but still get pumped in the butt. I mean I want a ps4 so bad But look how those 3rd parties are putting all there big games on it at launch

          • NkoSekirei

            ive have alrdy preordered 7 games for the wii u and i should be set for next year big lineup coming and i think the wii u will start doing much better in coming months we just need to be patience and lets hope the other 3rd party devs start getting their acts together or their be hell to pay especially wen it comes from our wallets

          • discuss

            Well yes the profit has the be worth the risk. This is business not goodwill. It’s only logical.

          • Link Slayer

            I agree. And I hope Ubisoft really puts effort into puting those games on the Wii U so fans wont get half assed games. If they put out high quality products people will change there perception of the Wii U. Half the reason the install base is so low is because of big decisions that 3rd parties have made. for one multiplating Rayman. I think that would have sold a few systems. Yeah EA is being Dick heads about that. I’m really hoping Ubi is putting good effort in there games for Wii U this year. But I’m looking forward to Monolifts X more than any game I have seen at any press conference as of right now. That game looks so great!

      • discuss

        They didn’t chose for EA but we got nothing for it in return.

  • Sidney Majurie

    EA…

    Doing everything they can to completely alienate the Nintendo fan from ever buying their products again.

    You do realize Nintendo fans own other consoles as well imbecile. We can chose not to buy EA games for those as well…

  • Xavier Lopez Chabelo

    Fuck…

    I wanted Mirrors Edge on the Wii U… glad I also have a PC

  • SethLaw

    I love DICE but man, the more i hear stuff from EA, it makes me not want to buy any of there shi*.
    I don’t understand why they keep at the mouth so much, it’s not very professional imo.

    • Matthew Stapleton

      But it keeps their name in the news, and it keeps people talking about them.

      • SethLaw

        yeah i guess so but, do they think it’s going to help sales? they’re sports game sales have steadily been on a decline for a few years now.
        There’s been layoffs throughout there studios so i read. I just dont see this helping.

        • Matthew Stapleton

          I don’t think it will either. Its sad because they still have a couple of decent franchises under their belt. I was looking forward the Battlefield 4 on Wii U. But I don’t see myself buying a copy due to the lack of professionalism they’ve been showing lately. Its unfortunate, because I’ve been a fan of BF since the old BF1942 on PC.

          • greengecko007

            I don’t see you buying a copy of Battlefield 4 for the Wii U because it’s not coming to the Wii U. Even after admitting that frostbite 3 works with the Wii U, they still said they have no plans and no games in development for the Wii U.

        • greengecko007

          Might want to look into better newsites then, because Madden 2013, an EA game, broke sales records for the series, with over 2 million copies in the first week. Sports games are a very popular genre among gamers, despite how some people on Wii U daily like to pretend that they aren’t.

    • NkoSekirei

      i agree ea is becoming more of a douche each time they flip flop on their decisions seriously wake up EA or u will take the worst company award for the third time

  • Grulnork

    Nintendo consoles are first party only since gamecube. The wii was a one time success, because of motion control.

    Because I like nintendo games I buy the console and buy the games I like. For all other games I go to steam, which is the superior gaming platform at the moment. This is the core issue with nintendo consoles, people expect third party support to be weak and developers do not take risks. This is an endless cycle.

    As an all round console nintendo has nothing to offer anymore. You buy a nintendo-box, that is it. The only other reason to buy a nintendo console is the price as they often use weaker hardware. In this market nintendo may have his place (next to catering to Nintendo fans). But also here I think steam is the superior platform considering the price of the games.

    Hence there is not a big enough market for third party devs such as EA and that is why they are not on the Wii U. Flame them for that, you are right if you do. But political motivated criticism such as this is often a half truth. The criticism about the Wii U is correct. It is not really an online experience, besides miiverse. But it is not the reason EA isn’t developing. That is purely a financial decision.

    Nintendo-fans would be better off if Nintendo became a software only and multi platform company. They could still make hardware such as innovative controller’s or controllers with a touch screen on it. Or make ‘Nvidia-shield-like’ handhelds which can stream there games from a PC and keep there own mobile e-shop.

    They could even set up there own digital download platform to compete with steam and use there awesome first party software as a way to lure in customers (just like steam does with TF2, CS, HL2, dota2 and so on).

    To finish up I once saw a Nintendo-fan quote Steve Jobs in defense of Nintendo’s hardware strategy: “People who are serious about software should make their own hardware.”

    I disagree with that. What Steve Jobs really means is: “If you are serious about making money with software, you make your own hardware.” And that is what Nintendo does as well, just like apple. A regulated ecosystem, to sell hard- and software overpriced.

    Nintendo can have a bright future, but it is not in making hardware such as consoles. They buy all the parts from other companies anyway, mostly IBM and AMD. It is the controlled ecosystem they care about. I think Nintendo can take Steam and definitely Origin head on. They could do everything Steam does + there own awesome software. They could make a big picture mode and perhaps even sell fully made PC’s just like steam is planning with there “steam boxes”.

    • kenny Johnson

      What about the DS and 3DS? Add the Wii to the mix (which you try to discount as an anomaly) and Nintendo would be STUPID to exit the hardware business.

      • Grulnork

        Well my opinion is from a gamers perspective mostly, we’d be better off without buying a system just for the Nintendo games and do everything else on our other system(s) (PC, PS, XB).

        It may be true that Nintendo could make more profit by keep making there own hardware, but I am not so sure if it is in the gamer’s best interest. It also remains to be seen if there is a future for consoles all together, we’ll see how it works out for the big 3 in the coming years.

        I don’t think I “discounted” the Wii as being an anomaly. And even if it was an anomaly, it was a brilliant one. Nintendo is definitely capable of having such strikes of brilliance again, but do not expect that every console cycle. The touch screen is nice, I like it, but it’s nowhere near as gamechanging as the motion controls were.

        The question is if that is a reason to keep making your own hardware. Imagine they were a PC developer. Then they could still create new innovative ways to control. It would actually be welcome and refreshing for the PC market.

        I am mainly focusing on home consoles in my post. In the handheld department Nintendo seems to do reasonably well, but also that didn’t come easy on the 3DS. There they also relied heavily on first party software. That is there biggest strength. Everything else is just depending on that.

        A mobile device mainly for games seem to have it’s own market still, but also there it remains to be seen how it works with the competition of mobile phones and tablets. I could see Nintendo releasing there own phone perhaps with a dual boot with Android and proper gamepad controls.

        • kenny Johnson

          You said 2 things, specifically that I responded to, but then back-pedaled (or clarified your point, I’m not sure which):

          1) The wii was a one time success, because of motion control.[hence my comment that you called it an anomaly]

          2) Nintendo can have a bright future, but it is not in making hardware such as consoles. [Hence my counter-argument that they are doing quite well as a hardware company]

          There’s no doubt that for people who prefer to just buy a PS, Xbox, or PC that it would be nicer for them if Nintendo was a software-only company.

          However, I happen to like Nintendo hardware and haven’t bought a non-Nintendo console or handheld (excluding phones/tablets) since I had a PS2 10 years ago.

          • Grulnork

            It was definitely clarifying. :)

            They could still sell on PC hardware based consoles for under the television. Or let hardware companies do that for them.

            Perhaps then its not completely software only, but at least multi platform.

  • Energonkid

    Oh so EA is any better…….The only EA games I play are Sims and Spore, and those are Maxis developed! EA is buying little companies and taking credit for their games! No wonder they won the ” Golden Turd Award ” for two years ( going on 3 ) !!

  • JamesJose

    I’m starting to hate EA, nintendo’s first party games are way better. If you wanna play soccer or any sports game, don’t play fifa or madden, go to your freaking backyard or somewhere else, grab a ball and play! I swear it’s even more fun that way. But when was the last time, when you dressed as a plumber and jumped on koopas in real life? or slash some freaking grass on hyrule? videogames are made to enjoy what you can’t do in real life, and have fun doing it.

    • $39063977

      lol

  • Harvey Emmons

    I prefer anything wiiu than anything ea. not 1 thing ea makes im interested in. either on the ps4 or wiiu

  • brian murphy

    peter moore is an EA/Microsoft cock sucking tool has no ties with Nintendo of course he is gonna talk shit about the Wii U only reason were not playing EA games online cause they only made ports of older games its nice to be able to play them on are Wii U but we already played the shit out of them on our ps3 and xbox 360′s you can’t expect large sale numbers on games that are 2 to 3 years old and port them over its just stupid to think so

  • Madmagican

    Sooo… EA thinks that because not a lot of people play their games online then it means that Wii U has weak online?
    …Miiverse, look at Miiverse

  • Nicolas Dorion

    Real “online world” in a videogame: people from across the world that can communicate and share ideas together about said game (wich Wii u has), even if the game isn’t a multiplayer one
    EA’s vision of “online world” in a videogame: games always connected to EA’s server even if the game isn’t a multiplayer one, but no communication between players.

    Wii U is an offline box in a online world if you look at it the stupid and greedy way

    • oontz

      What he’s saying is even though our wiiu’s are always connected, nintendo isn’t offering any online mulitplayer (yet). Such is the case for nintendoland which is begging for ONLINE multiplayer.

  • david jarman

    Hmm…Xbox has drm and 24hr connectivity… People get mad. EA is upset cause they love drm, but hides it and starts loving on nintendo.
    Xbox changes restrictions and EA is still saying damn.
    Still likes nintendo.
    Microsoft has secret meeting with EA about reinstating their drm policy after everyone’s onboard. EA hates nintendo.
    Just a thought.

  • Brawler

    I am getting sick and tired of these publishers.

  • david jarman

    EA is more of a shitty experience at least that’s what it feels like.

    I haven’t seen much hacking on the wii u as I have on my hackbox360. I like that with my online experience.

  • teknik1200

    Um, the console has the ability to always be online if that’s what you want.

    Games compel people to game together online, not the console itself.

    Wii U is also the only console that doesn’t charge you fees to game online.

    I’ve pumped 450 hours into Monster Hunter 3u, the online experience is seamless and quick.

    EA is humping M$’s leg and what is going to happen when xboxone sells worse than the wii u?

    To hear a software publisher trying to take out a console maker is troubling, especially when the hardware vendor pumps out much better software anyways..

    Those people who only play COD or Battlefield and nothing else are hardly core gamers, yesterday’s core, todays casual..

  • discuss

    As much as I dislike EA I have to agree on this one.

  • MetroidZero

    Speaking of Mii Verse, in the E3 Mario Kart 8 trailer and the developer video, Mario Kart 8 is taking Mii Verse to the next level. The Wii U has great online capabilities.

  • GameBoy1979

    I wish all these third party developers that keep making excuses weren’t only after the ‘almighty buck” & realized that there are some gamers out there that might actually buy a Wii U if they were to produce solid games for the system. I’m probably not the norm, but I love sports games. I love playing NCAA football, Tiger Woods golf, Madden, & several other EA titles that only they can make. On the other hand, I’m a die hard Nintendo fan; always have been, always will be. I love the new remakes of Nintendo’s beloved classics & the original IP’s that ONLY Nintendo can make, so it frustrates me to see companies like EA & the others that are “watching what the console does”, waiting for the console base to grow while disregarding the fact that if they instead take a chance & make games for the sake of making games, the consoles base may grow BECAUSE of their games. I have been torn on buying a Wii U because I want those third party titles along with my Nintendo faves (I plan to purchase one soon either way). I guess I want to have my cake & eat it too, but I can honestly say I’d have a system now if there were games from third parties to solidify the Wii U lineup. But, they’d rather please financial investors rather than the gaming community. I’m also not all that interested in the online aspect of a game. The simple fact of the matter is that it’s sometimes nice to play through a game with out all the mumbo jumbo of playing online. I guess sometimes I just want to be a little selfish & play alone. With that said, if I’m not mistaken, it looks like Nintendo has provided a fairly robust online platform for developers to use, but some companies seem to want to make their own.
    The heads of these companies need to take a cue from Iwata & realize that it’s not all about the dollar, but the games & the gamers. We’re the ones that keep the community going by playing.

  • Leo

    Sim City fiasco sent them kisses.

  • Luffy

    personaly, i much prefer how nintendo is tackling online.
    im just not that much in online gaming.

  • Richard Yates

    Translation…..the big N said no to origin…..which is drm based spyware crap. God smite EA please!!!!

  • sd

    He knows his stuff. I mean we all know that EA has great servers that never fail and never suffer from lag. They are the online masters….

    (P.S for those unsure that’s sarcasm)

  • Jon

    ““We were there with four games for them [at launch]. It’s been a disappointment”

    They gave us 4 old ported games….. how did they expect to do well?

    • Gabe Hoffman

      And most of those ports were utter garbage

  • Bobaganoosh

    Nintendo must have really pissed off EA when they didn’t agree to have them run their online aspects. I’ve heard nothing but negative comments from them since. That said, what I understand of the company isn’t too positive anyway. It is unfortunate when situations don’t work out, but EA’s attitude towards Nintendo is just plain childish.

  • Cube

    The only system I purchased were Nintendo systems going back to SNES and only Nintendo games but this is 2013 and Nintendo is still pretty much an offline system. For how long can I continue to stay offline!
    Super Mario 3D World should have had some online futures.

    • DWraySweZ

      they should but wii u is totally online.

      • oontz

        then why is my copy of nintendoland not working online?

  • companyoflosers

    out of sync with EA’s vision of the future? im sorry but was that the same future where people had to use online passes for their games, had to play these games on anti-piracy servers that cut you off if you cant connect, and where they cut content out of the game that was already supposed to be there but forced the team to make it dlc or a pre-order bonus? that future?!

  • gimpcell

    MiiVerse says, hi!

  • gimpcell

    He obviously has not used the browser. I stopped using my pc as much because I can multi task on the damn Wii U. I guess it is not online.

  • raiden777

    I don’t care about EA’s vision, and more and more gamers are not caring either as days go by. What Nintendo could do is elaborate further on how they are a fun family console. It goes back to the roots in the name Famicom. As you know, this means family computer.

    There is not simply one universe of gaming we must inhabit. Nintendo is proof of that alternate reality that reminds us why we love games so much. Fun. We don’t need the money grubbing worlds of EA. We play games to forget about all that nonsense.

    EA has outgrown their use.

  • Wanderlei

    Wii U online > Xbox or Playstation, PSN is the worst by far. PSN is the worst online service I’ve ever used. The store is slow as fuck, painful to navigate, has different, incompatible versions of the same DLC for games depending on where you buy the game, and is a pain to set up.

    Crappy ports way after their release on other consoles.

    3rd parties always do this, ship late ports or shovelware then complain it doesn’t sell. They have years and years of making it up to Nintendo fans. One or two token efforts, then giving up is not enough. They need to support Nintendo with constant flow of quality games and then they might sell better. They have treated Nintendo and their fans for shit for so long it might take a entire gen or two to make it up.

  • AWwriter

    I am so tired of hearing about all this social crap. Online social crap is for people who don’t have real friends in real life to get social with. I don’t play a video game to be social. I play when I don’t want to be social and just enjoy a game, and when I do feel like being social I play it with real people I know in person in my home. Sure online matches are fun and all occasionally, but all this social crap is just a buzz word and a way to force people into online purchases and DRM. This guy is an asshat. The only thing that sucks is that EA now holds the Star Wars IP – other than that they can take their glorified shovel ware and shovel it where the sun don’t shine.

    • NkoSekirei

      not quite cause disney can just pull the plug if EA doesnt make a star wars game for the wii u.Disney has the rights to the star wars franchise and that includes games as well and they ll probably make sure wii u gets one too

  • Aldomiro

    Funny thing is i cant think of a single game EA has ever made that ever made me buy a console. I cant think of single next gen EA game that I plan on getting day one. I cant think of single IP they have ever bought and made better. I cant even think of any game they ever created, that I felt was worthy of game of the year. EA has gotten by in this industry because of their Madden monopoly. Football fans aren’t hard to please when you are their only choice. Thank god they don’t have a monopoly on any of my favorite franchises because they would become mediocre as well.

  • Gustavo Dias Costa

    I’m glad Wii U is out of sync with EA’s vision of the future: a future where every console or pc must be connected to the internet at all times in order to run a game.

    Only Nintendo can save the industry from this tragedy. Words cannot express how stupid is this man.

  • Michael Jurado

    oh yeah because, the first year of sony’s ps3 and microsofts 360 had such an amazing online. as I recall it was next to dead >.> but honestly the wii u’s online is no where near as bad as ps3s and 360s online in the first year so as far as i’m concerned EA can take it’s 3rd party support and shove it up their ass we nintendo fans don’t need it >_<

    • oontz

      Please… PLEASE stop comparing the wiiu to PS3 and XB360. Those systems came out almost 8 YEARS AGO!!

      • Michael Jurado

        well it’s not like i can compare it the ps4 or the xboxone they haven’t been released yet -__-

  • DWraySweZ

    first it was because of orgin, then it was because frostbite 3 couldnt run on it, now its their online doesnt work… anybody play black ops 2, or Monster Hunter 3, the online works pretty damn good. EA is confused as to why they dont like nintendo…

    • NkoSekirei

      cause EA is run by monkeys

      • DWraySweZ

        i am starting to believe that

      • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

        That’s an insult to monkeys…

  • ACE

    puto EA vete a la mierda y callate la boca maricon

  • David Horowitz

    Your vision of the future? Who says it’s your vision to divine?

    It seems like you’ve made some criticisms about the Wii U in the past, Peter Moore, but when you make a game as good as other games out now for Wii U, by other companies, THEN you can start complaning.

    Quit making lame games and looking to them as representations of the Wii U’s full capability, jerk. Pride can only get you so far in life.

  • Arthur Jarret

    He is wrong.

    I barely used the online of my PS3 and Xbox (the latter due to being a paid service). Miiverse pulled me into online gaming, it let me meet people and makes me wanting to compete with them.

    What a bunch of idiots – next week, they’ll make a statement claiming the opposite. They reverse their opinion more often than Pachter on a broken treadmill.

  • dr scoobie

    They are just upset because thier
    always on future was crushed before thier eyes.

  • YoG99

    Oh wait, did I hear the CEO of the company who flopped Simcity launch because it couldn’t be played offline ? oh yeah, that’s the guy :)

  • Squid

    Hey guys did you hear about the new movie?
    Peeter Moore and Michael Patcher: Gets beat up by Reggie.
    Peter and Michael fail to realize what the Wii U is, so they confront Nintendo. And get beat up by Reggie.

    • oontz

      that was lame.

  • PS4/WiiU

    But what he says is actually true. For games like assassin’s creed and black ops, there are multiple people who are online every second on the wii u. But when I play fifa13 there is almost nobody online.

  • Peter Lythaby

    Oh well at least one set of people EA won’t be fleecing. Must get rid of my PS3 so I won’t be tempted by yearly updates ;-)

  • Aleks

    I hate EA for a few reasons, none of which i’ll get into. I do, however, AGREE. (Im surprised too lol). The whole world is playing active online games cooperatively and competitively and has been for years. It was a giant misstep that Nintendoland wasnt online multiplayer…. also NSMB WiiU. As will be the upcoming Pikmin or mario 3d. Lets also not forget all those games they dump onto the virtual console. Since they dribble the games out so slowly they could AT LEAST update them to include an online component like leaderboards or online multiplayer. Nintendo becomes a smaller and smaller island everyday while the world is FULL of fans that want to give them money, but they wont yield. They just say sorry a lot, and ask for patience. Online Smash and Mkart better hurry up.

    • oontz

      I was shocked when Nintendo land didn’t have online mulitplayer. It has left half the game un-playable for me :(

  • Christopher Acuna

    The big N needs to get one of it’s Dev Studios to develop a stellar ONLINE MP 1st person shooter in order for these companies to shut their traps.

    • oontz

      metroid!

      • Christopher Acuna

        No…Metroid would not be that game. I just don’t see how that would work well. A bunch of Samus’ running around or Chozo’s running about. No, I don’t think that will have the appeal it is meant to have for a online FPS.

  • Schultz38

    The reason EA’s games didn’t sell well at launch is because all of them were either ports or multi-platform games (FIFA 13). The market was bigger for 360 and PS3. EA gave consumers no reason to buy a Wii U when the same games were coming to the systems they already owned… idiot.

    I’ve heard about a million different excuses from EA and Ubisoft. They’ve lost my respect as companies, and the higher ups that keep making these statements have lost my respect as individuals. No integrity.

    • oontz

      don’t forget the madden for wiiu didn’t even have the new physics. I bought madden but not for my wiiu.

  • David Clarke

    I just wish EA would concentrate on making their games better than constantly knocking the wii u.. if they put in half as much effort in making wiiu games better instead of lazy ports then people might actually buy their games

  • TrueWiiMaster

    And yet the Miiverse has been very active…

    “We were there with four games for them [at launch]. It’s been a disappointment when you look at sell-through”
    Madden 12, renamed Madden 13, FIFA 12, renamed FIFA 13, and the year old Mass Effect 3, released alongside the Trilogy for the same price, while also being the last chapter of a trilogy Wii U owners never got. Those were the THREE games EA released at the Wii U’s launch. Three, not four. Four months later, they ported the year old Need for Speed Most Wanted. How can EA look at the sales of these games and get any relevant data about new games being released on the system, when none of them were new?

  • Levi Johansen

    EA is a terrible company in a terrific industry

  • sabrina teenage slut

    OH EA LOL ORIGIN AINT NINTENDOS ONLINE SO TOU THROW TOYS OUT THE PRAM

    PATHETIC LOL NOT ONLINE SO HOW AM I POSTING NOW ON A GAMEPAD IDIOTS

  • Thomas Fitzgibbon

    But the Xbox One is a thieving, unfair, backtracking, backstabbing, always requiring a internet connection, spying pervert, several steps back console in an online world!

    Where’s the criticism for that eh Moore?

  • blindtiger

    im tired of ea’s pr. theyre idiots who make poor attempts to port games, complain when they dont sell, and make excuses for lack of further support. nfsmw was their best port and that was purely because they put a little extra effort into the graphics. unique gameplay? none! who is going to sit next to you and change lighting and traffic in co-driver mode as a multiplayer experience? what about using the gamepad for your gauges, or a rear view mirror, or the easydrive menu? dont even get me started on their “fully supported” launch titles. nintendo might be trying to play catch up in hardware and online but at least they are creative enough to make games that are both good and unique. go away forever ea, just leave your sports and star wars licenses behind so someone can put them to good use…

  • Your money

    Really EA, what about monster hunter 3 ultimate? It’s certainly going well, better than your “always online” feature, which failed miserably on simcity. So your belief in your “future” is invalid.

  • Gregg

    That’s fine by me. Then, EA won’t get my money.

  • Super Buu

    Oh boy, I’m a liar? What is your basis? You strong hate for Nintendo and its fans? I prefer an ”offline box” more than an ”online box”. With that said, me being a ”liar” doesn’t remove the fact that people were pissed at the fact that SimCity couldn’t run offline.

  • kenny Johnson

    Who is this majority? I’m willing to bet that online play is a pretty small minority of overall gameplay for most games.

  • david jarman

    Wii u online is actually awesome. You don’t have agree about the wii u, but you know as well as I know this ea propaganda. They keep flip flopping and it has do with everybody at first hating Microsoft to now everybody liking Microsoft. Microsoft changed its drm policy and now EA is rethinking its Origin.

  • MujuraNoKamen

    yes “like” online play, not depend on it. I like online games a lot but for me and many others, a lengthy and immersive campaign is second to none. I fail to see how Nintendo is not up to par, though they have been playing catch-up for some time now the Wii U online experience is as good as any – they ditched friends codes, and replaced it with XBL style-IDs. As a CoD fan I bought BO2 for Wii U and the online was as good, if not better than the Xbox (it’s free on Wii U) Nintendo still are falling behind in the EShop department though, I’ll give you that but that’s not what EA meant. I’m not hating on others I’m simply pointing out that EA are making excuses, they made some second rate ports for Wii U acted surprised when no one bought them and have been bashing Wii U ever since and blaming it on BS like “weak hardware”, “lack of online” etc. Wii U has the same online capabilities of its rivals and MiiVerse, you don’t get much more social than that.

  • kenny Johnson

    Source?

  • dr scoobie

    I own all 3 but i only play the wiiU online.

    and Xbox live costs money and i can barely afford games as is.

  • Mochlum

    That is because we already pay for our internet. Why should we have to pay for it again, unlike a game which we only pay for once.

  • dr scoobie

    i have very little money, i would prefer that my money
    went towards buying games i want as opposed to Live.

  • Mochlum

    Actually, when you already have internet, it is. I can buy an entirely new game with that money, for systems that have free internet! >:D

  • Mochlum

    But, I can play games online on other systems, for free. I can play GTA V on PS3 for free. That is kinda the point I’m trying to make. And I do have many games to buy on the Wii U soon. Next month is Pikmin 3, then September has Rayman Legends, Wonderful 101, Scribblenauts Unmasked, then October has Sonic Lost World, Wind Waker HD, LEGO Marvel: Super Heroes, then November has Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, then December has Super Mario 3D World.

  • Mochlum

    Stop lying. It’s the fact that you are saying “You know damned well Live is the best way to play. Games cost money too, but that does not stop you!” Just because we disagree does not make us liars.

  • Mochlum

    Please, the Wii U isn’t getting discontinued. If you actually have the knowledge that your username promises, you would know that the PS3 and Xbox 360 were selling like the Wii U in the same time of their life cycle. So unless somebody went back in time and made the PS3 and Xbox 360 get discontinued rendering the logic of that actually possible, the possibility of the Wii U being discontinued is extremely low.

  • Mochlum

    We keep using the same argument because it makes sense. And using the argument that we always use that argument kind of shows that you’re out of arguments…. Not to mention, families will dig the Wii U. They’ll see Mario World, Mario Kart, Wii Fit, Donkey Kong, and much much more. How many family games do the PS4 and Xbox One have?

    And if I would choose another system, I’d simply choose the one with great games and good hardware. The 3DS!

  • Mochlum

    (sigh) I should have learned a long time ago that is impossible to show Knowledge logic. I admit, the Wii U doesn’t have many great games yet, but they’re all coming out soon. BRB, gonna go play my kiddie but actually fun Nintendo Land with my family and have fun while you play GTA. See ya later.

  • Mochlum

    Okay, will do. I’ll tell them some person who hates Nintendo yet has the most comments on a Nintendo-related blog told me that the Wii U stinks. BRB, gonna play some of my kiddie Nintendo Land with my friends and have a lot of fun. :3