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Nintendo confirms Wii U still being sold at a loss

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Things still aren’t looking great for Nintendo, despite Iwata optimistically hoping that the company can get back to “Nintendo-like” profits soon. While the company did post an overall profit, a representative for Nintendo has confirmed that the Wii U is still selling at a loss.

This means the price cut that many are desperately hoping for before the holiday season most likely won’t come unless it’s retail-inspired. Price cuts across the UK have lead to consoles being sold for around half of their MSRP, but here in the United States you’re lucky to get a $50 gift card with your purchase.

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  • CEObrainz

    By 2014, I don’t think Nintendo will be worrying about the Wii U.

    • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

      how do you mean?

      • CEObrainz

        Nintendo will have released a number of 1st Party games by 2014 with even more coming out that year. It’s already been said 100 times, but games such as Smash Bros and Zelda will sell units as they are also coming out when there will be plenty of games to choose from.

        • Fred

          I think X will also sell like crazy. Xenoblade cost me $80 and was worth every penny

        • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

          okay good. Just wasnt sure if you meant they’d already have moved on, or if you meant what you just said, which I 100% agree with

  • Zombie Boy

    I think, if they do have an official price cut, they’d hold out for the release of the other consoles. That way it could prove the cheaper option over it’s competition. Until then, there’s no point.

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      Well, it’s already cheaper with no price cut. The problem is lack of games and almost no advertising. We’re just now starting to see the release of worthy games. From January until now, there was very little worth playing.

      • Zombie Boy

        While this year hasn’t done the Wii U (or Nintendo)’s reputation much good, they haven’t had any next-gen competition. The holiday season / 2014 is when they’re really going to have to bring their competitive edge into play. That will mean both more games and more advertising. That’s just my opinion anyway. But I believe, with two new consoles on the market, a price cut would be more beneficial to Nintendo then rather than now.

      • sdmac200600

        Yeah it’s the cheapest but the PS4 is only 50 bucks more than the deluxe and you are getting more for your buck with the PS4. More storage, better graphics, and more games that the “hardcore” audience would want. It’s no secret that casuals don’t care about any of this stuff but their reasoning for buying the PS4 instead of the Wii U will be “I’m getting so much more than the Wii U for only 50 bucks more. I think I can spare the 50 and buy the PS4.”

        • Veries Seals

          I love Sony but I am going to be real. The PS4 library is just not interesting. I think the XBox one has a better line up of exclusives and games. Yeah we like to pay for nice shiny new hardware but inst the game lineup more important. Just throwing in my 2 cents but, I think the Wii U software line up is better than the PS4’s, what do you think?

          • sdmac200600

            Oh yeah the Wii U’s line is hell of a lot better than the PS4 and the X1 but to the kids who all they do is play shooters, the Wii U line up is irrelevant to them. The casuals will be be buying whatever system their kids want anyways lol The PS4 library to me is meh I guess. Most of the games I want comes out during the launch window. I’m not planning on getting the PS4 year one anyways so I’m not really concerned about it right now.

      • Veries Seals

        I dont know about that one Ashley. I have about 38 games in my Wii U library and I have loved them all. But I have a wide range of taste when it comes to game play. I guess It just boils down to the type of games you like to play. To be honest there are plenty of games from VC, 3rd party and independent developers on the console. Yeah I guess if you look at the lack of 1st party titles then ok. But to be honest how many XBox 360 or PS3 games did each of us buy in those 7 years. I had about 40 of them each, but there are hundreds upon hundreds of games on those consoles that I never had a chance to try or could even afford to try, So I just had to pick which ones I knew I defiantly liked. Not much room for trying anything new. I am inclined to say that the PS3 and XBox360 platforms were actually over saturated with games and I am almost positive did not have a chance to shine, which may have been great, but were over shadowed. I had my PS3 and 360 for 7 years and had 30 to 50 titles. I have had my Wii U for 10 months and have had a chance to purchase and experience 38 unique titles. That is 1st, 3rd and Independent. I cant say that any of them were bad or even horrible. They have all been good or great. Yeah a few had stripped features but to be honest the game was still enjoyable. Some of the features that are dropped in these games most people may not use anyway. Now one thing I will say and agree with. We should not be charged full price for a game with stripped features. There should be like a 10 loss for any company that does not give us full features. What do you think? Am I off base with this one?

        • Billy Kostyra

          38 ?? lol

          • Veries Seals

            yep and have plenty more to get this year. I love my Wii U. My game library is niceeeee

    • Yousif Alromaithi

      They will have a price cut with a better bundle soon. About the time on September Direct Nintendo will announce a bundle for Wind Waker. Then price cut it with the 3D World bundle on December. Wind Waker bundle will receive a cut on November.

      • Fred

        If you have any interest in the game ZombieU bundle is an INCREDIBLE DEAL

        • BIG Franky

          agree 100%… had i known, i would’ve purchased that bundle…. tried out ZombiU for the first time last night…. very cool game!

          • Zombie Boy

            I agree ;)

        • Yousif Alromaithi

          I have a Wii U and ZombiU. Deluxe Wii U. But I am picking another bundle if the WIii U had nice design skin for WInd Waker. Well let us hope so.

  • Ducked

    It’s a shame, because a lot of people don’t think the Wii U is worth $350. Super Mario 3D World, Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, and Tropical Freeze will boost up sales this holiday season.

    • Rugmouse

      I agree with you. As a PS3 owner, my first thoughts on the system were, ‘I’m going to wait for a price drop, it simply isn’t worth that much money.’ Then great games started coming out, my friends started discussing how much fun they were having, then BAM – I bought a PS3 for retail price.

      Software sells systems…and of course positive word of mouth from friends (my biggest input by far when making these decisions).

      • Ducked

        Very true, Sony couldn’t expect people to buy a PS3 at $600, I bought a PS3 2 years ago. And I have to say, it’s the best console of last gen. Uncharted, inFamous, and Littlebigplanet were system sellers. Wii U will get there very soon.

      • Jack5221

        Not just software, but console exclusive software. Nintendo has TONS of exclusives coming out this year, as well as next year. The Wii U is fine, sucks that it had a rough start but it’ll turn out like the 3DS.

        • Truthteller

          It did not ‘had’ a rough start, it is not working out then and now!

          • springer85

            We are both idiots

          • Clel

            LOL

          • Yoboyjohn

            Sounds a lot like sony

          • Radojko95

            Look I don’t mean to be rude but if you don’t have anything good to say then don’t say anything … I’m realy getting tired of your comments

          • Truthteller

            If you were that tired of the comments, then you would not have commented and you would have kept it moving.

          • Radojko95

            Hey … I didn’t try to offend you … I just said that your comments are rude and not wanted … You are just trolling and that is annoying

          • Jack5221

            Go look up PS3s and Xbox 360s units sold during their first year of launch. Then compare it to the Wii U. Ironically your name is Truthteller, yet you don’t know the damn truth.

      • Truthteller

        Hardware AND software sells systems. Without adequate hardware, software can’t look spectacular enough for people to become interested in it. The Wii U practically has no software, so where do you expect sales to come from?

        • Yoboyjohn

          Sounds a lot like ps3

    • Entropyguy

      Yep. Buying a console at launch is, at best, kind of an iffy proposition.

    • Wayne Beck

      A lot of people think the $350 price point is too high because they are still under the delusion that XboxOne and PS4 are going to be so vastly superior to the Wii U in terms of graphics. When these consoles are finally out, the delusion will break and people will see how small the step up in graphics actually is. The Console that is not out yet is always better than the console that is out, until it comes out.

      I’m honestly, fine with the fact that Xbox is not in good standing for the Gen right now, but I am truely concerned for Sony. Despite Nintendo always being Number One in my eyes I am still a big Playsation fan. Selling PS4 for that low a price makes me seriously concerned the company is going to fold. There is no way they are going to turn a profit. At least not for a few years.

      • Marcus Navarro

        I really hope you mean Sony Computer Entertainment…
        People seem to get SCE confused with Sony Corp.

        • Wayne Beck

          Sony Corp isn’t doing any better than SCE. This past quarter is the first time they have posted a significant profit in years.

          • Marcus Navarro

            I understand that(VAIOs everywhere crapping out, TVs aren’t moving) but they’re still not going anywhere anytime soon. Sony’s sitting on a (diminishing) pile of cash.

          • Wayne Beck

            Yes, but that pile of cash is diminishing across ever sector of Sony Corp and the PlayStation division is the biggest offender. They’re TV division is loosing money, but not the billions of dollars bleeding out of their games division. They aren’t going to Risk the Movie and Music industry on a failing Console division when they can just as easily make games, not consoles, and license blueray.

          • Marcus Navarro

            *Yen
            Sounding more like Sega, but less beloved(by me :P). And excellent points. However, if they ARE gonna fold soon, then this’ll be SCE’s last shot to make something resembling a profit.
            Quick question: is Nintendo’s capital just about at Sony’s?

          • di g

            no where near it. nintendo can fail this gen all they want and still survive.

          • Wayne Beck

            Sony Corp as a unit is literally ten times the size of Nintendo. Sony being Valued at 14 Trillion Yen to Nintendo’s 1.4 Trillion Yen. That is of course all divisions of Sony combined. It is impossible for me to tell what percentage of Sony Corp that Sony Computer Entertainment actually makes up. There are Five Main Divisions of Sony Corp(Games, Music, Movies, Mobile and Financial), but there is zero chance these are all equal parts of the company.

            As Far as capital is concerned, the reason Nintendo is in such a stronger position than Sony and even Microsoft is because they have almost zero debt. So little debt that investors do not even take it under consideration as a factor in determining the companies viability. Sony, on the other hand, holds Debt Equal to more than a third of the companies total capital. As for Cash on hand, which includes short term investments, Nintendo has just shy of 1 trillion yen, almost the full value of the company, readily available. Sony Corp, a company ten times the size of Nintendo, has just 1.4 trillion Yen.

            Bear in mind, I am not a financial expert. There could be a whole host of factors I don’t understand going on here. I’m just reading through raw numerical data.

            Sony: http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=6758:TYO&subview=BalanceSheet

            Nintendo: http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=7974:TYO&subview=BalanceSheet

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            ohh.. VAIOS’re so bad.

      • Graeme Lynch

        I thought I had already explained to you that the graphical capability of the Wii U is pretty terrible compared to PS4 and Xbox1.
        Not only that but to say that you are concerned for Sony means nothing. PS4 preorders are on fire. It has already been reported that pre-orders now for PS4 does not guarantee a console for every order.
        I bought the Wii U at Christmas with no effort. There was an abundance of consoles you could say. I was also under the delusion that I was going to be playing great games within the launch window. I was lied to and disappointed. If I knew that I would be playing 3 games for the first year of the Wii U’s cycle I would not have bought it when I did. Meaning the $350 price tag is pretty high for a console with so few games. Granted you could argue that Sony and Microsoft may fail in their promises of games at launch but I actually doubt it and would put money on games being released within their launch window and not half a year later.
        Perhaps you ought to open your Nintendo Narrow Mindedness and realise the more you feed into the lackluster efforts from Nintendo the worse the Wii U situation will become.

        • Wayne Beck

          This is exactly what I’m talking about when I say Delusional. Just because you can’t preorder a PS4 and be guaranteed to get it day one does not mean they are going to sell a lot of PS4s on day one. They maybe only be able to ship 200,000 by then. The Wii U Preorders Sold out too and that was only 400k. GameStop reported they had more than 500k on a waiting list. Neither Sony nor Microsoft have ever been able to produce enough consoles to match demand. Neither of them have ever manage to sell even 2 million at launch.

          More importantly, neither of them have ever been able to have solid launch lineup either. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the only Video Game Console that has ever launched with a so called Killer App was the Nintendo 64 with Mario 64. The Wii U had the largest Launch Line-up in the history of the video game industry. It didn’t mean squat. It’s not about having games at launch, it’s about having games all the time.

          As for the graphics, that is truly a ridiculous statement. 1080 at 60 FPS is 1080 as 60fps. The Highest Quality Texture Resolution is the Highest Quality Texture resolution. The only difference between the graphics capabilities of the Wii U and the other two Consoles is the Number of Objects that can be show on the screen at once and the number of polygons in a mesh. The later being 100% negligible outside of a Cutscene that might zoom in to show face wrinkles. If draw distance is really what you care about in your games, by all means go play all the shooters coming out on PSBox.

          • Veries Seals

            Well said Wayne! Spot on!

          • Graeme Lynch

            Here is the thing though Wayne. The majority of the launch games for the WiiU were fodder.
            I think you will find it is yourself that is making ridiculous statements regarding graphics here. You can try to portray little difference in graphical capabilities between the consoles but you will discover that the capability of a PS4 is far greater than the Wii U. Considering such games that has vast, detailed open worlds with high volumes of objects on screen. This makes a world of difference to developers that are creating games that we expect to push the current boundaries of gaming.
            I suppose nothing I say will make you ponder on any of that but only time will tell. Time will tell if Nintendo can create games to be on par with major developers such as Naughty Dog, Sony Japan, Bioware etc. Not only that but wither or not such developers will take the time to develop games for the Wii U that will require further work when its architecture is really quite different from the other two.

          • Wayne Beck

            Did you seriously just say, “only time will tell” if the most successful and profitable Video Game Company in History of the Industry will be able to “keep up” with Naughty Dog and Bioware?

            I mean, at least Naughty Dog hasn’t ruined the all of three IPs they come up with in Twenty Years, but Bioware is a joke. They’ve made three Moderately Successful games, not franchises, games, in Fifteen years. Ruined two of them with Sequels. ME3 was so poorly received they had to remake the ending just to get people to stop bashing it and DA2 was the most astounding fall from grace I’ve ever seen an IP take.

            Just the fact that you think these two studios are even remotely on Nintendo’s level speaks volumes about your attitude toward video games. Why don’t you just put down the controller so you can watch your cgi movies without having to think or try.

          • Graeme Lynch

            You obviously didn’t read my comment properly. I was referring to the scope/size/graphical output of games that such developers make and how they would be unlikely to reach the WiiU. Bethesda for example have been pretty certain that no games will be developed for the WiiU as the system is not on their radar. This is precisely my point. Nintendo have yet to create an HD next gen game on a Elder Scrolls scale. So we have no idea if Nintendo is capable of such a thing. We know they have struggled with the HD transition so it would stand to reason that Nintendo games will struggle to compare to such games.
            Also bioware is one of my favourite developers for not only their excellent RPGs but also the progressive social movement in gaming. Something I feel Nintendo as a developer lacks in. Clearly we both have different ideas of what makes a good game. Plus you obviously are rather misinformed as Bioware are a very successful company creating more than just 3 franchises. Baulders Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of old republic, Mass Effect, Dragon Age.

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            they kill dragron age.

          • Graeme Lynch

            True DA2 was not as good as the first but funnily enough the gameplay was better. Sadly the story was not. Maybe Andreas Sunde has something to say about that.
            Anyway DA3 looks like it is restoring the series back to Origins style but I guess we shall see.

          • dark501

            Well, Nintendo is my favorite developer

          • Graeme Lynch

            Yes good for you. So does that mean you don’t bother to question or want something more from Nintendo or are you completely mindless and accept everything Nintendo spoon feeds you?

          • jrob23

            Vast open world? Oh, you mean, like Monolith’s X? Like that? Lots of volume on the screen? Like Wonderful 101? Like that? Dude you are a troll. You give no credit to Nintendo as they try to dig themselves out of the hole they are in. They had a bad launch for a variety of reason, economy, lack of advertising, competing against discounted wii, ps3, xbox 360, delays that are their fault (Pikmin 3), delays that aren’t (Rayman Legends), and Fukushima reactor which hurt allocation of resources.
            You act as if they aren’t about to release several top 3rd party games, a slew of 1st party games, and most likely a price drop. Their outlook looks better now than a month ago, next month it will look better than today. By the time the others launch they will have righted the ship.
            While I might purchase a PS4 someday, I see very little reason to make the jump as the majority of games can also be played on the PS3. This will continue until latter half 2014. In other words, they will deal with the same thing every console launch has dealt with. Lack of games. If they don’t sell well in their first 10 months are you going to come on here and call them a failure too?

          • Graeme Lynch

            Firstly I did not call Nintendo failures. I was merely highlighting the fact that the WiiU, and perhaps Nintendo themselves, seem incapable of creating games similar to Elder Scrolls or indeed many other sandbox type games. I enjoy Nintendo games and want the console to succeed. Hence why I want fans/consumers to raise their voices and let Nintendo know they can’t half ass things anymore. Also we have no idea if X will indeed be the open world comparable to Witcher or the likes. True while Wonderful 101 illustrates capabilities of the WiiU it also highlights the possibility that it may not have been possible to render better graphics with such volume on screen. Just a theory. I may be wrong. As I said before only time will tell :)

          • Andreas Sunde

            I’ve played both Uncharteds (will play 3 when I get the chance), and I must say I prefer Nintendo. Uncharted 1 had awful gun play, a bad cover mechanic, and is more of an interactive movie than a game. The only thing that made Uncharted 2 better was the inclusion of a “very easy” mode, so the gunfights didn’t take forever. The environments are nice to look at, and I like the sense of adventure (even though the story is pretty dumb), but gameplay is the most important part when you’re making a game.
            That’s the thing about Nintendo. They make games, not movies.

          • Graeme Lynch

            Here is the thing. Some people like immersive games. You are using Uncharted as an example to compare to all Nintendo games? Really? It is quite pointless in doing so considering they are very different in terms of gameplay and target market. Also I don’t necessarily agree that gameplay is the MOST important aspect of games. At least not anymore, maybe it was 10 years ago, not anymore. People want something more from games. A truly interactive, immersive experience that only games can provide. Putting you in control of a character to play out a story, make your own decisions, experience the impact of how you’ve played the game. All of these things and more contribute to a great game. Not just good gameplay.

          • Andreas Sunde

            Talking about making your own decisions when defending Uncharted. Yeah…
            Uncharted is an interactive movie, not a game, and the gameplay it does have, is either extremely linear (you can grab this ledge, but not the identical one two feet to the left), or completely shit (the gunplay). You don’t make your own decisions, you do what Naughty Dog wants you to do.
            There are other factors in a good game, but a game isn’t good if the gameplay (the actual “game” part of it) is bad.

          • Graeme Lynch

            Are you stuck on repeat? Obviously you’re usin uncharted to make example of your ‘clever’ point. It’s gameplay isn’t great but it’s good enough to enable you to continue playing and follow its story. Back to my point that gameplay isn’t the be all and end all of games. Further to that can you give me an example of a Nintendo game where it is story driven? A solid and engaging story is what I love in games. Obviously you don’t as you seem to believe that if a game doesn’t have exceptional gameplay then it isn’t worth playing…

          • dark501

            My 8-core (3.6 Ghz) PC can’t even run gamecube games. I don’t think specs mean anything.

          • Graeme Lynch

            evidently then you’re graphics card is not capable of it. My laptop can run GC emulator easily with a i5 core and 5650 mobility raedon 1GB. Nothing to write home about other than the dedicated memory but it still runs almost every PC on medium to high well. Funnily enough my laptop has trouble with playing PS2 emulators so you might want to look back on your theory.

          • Nintenjoe82

            I think there will be a shock to the mainstream gaming media when one of Sony or MS has consoles left on shelves and people on ebay not being able to profit from re-selling.

        • Veries Seals

          It is actually unfair for you to talk to Wayne in the manor in which you are speaking to him. Its like you are talking down to him or something. Just like you thought you were going to talk down to me in our debate in the Pikmin article a day or two ago. Unlike your grand shopping experience, which admittedly it really depends on where you are from, but I had a hard time finding a Wii U. They were sold out all over the state. I literally had to call county after county to track one down and had to drive almost two hours to get my 8GB Wii U. The Deluxe models at the time were even harder to get. I was OK with the 8GB because I have a 2TB hard drive hooked into my console. So I never worry about storage. Every console becomes hard to find at launch. Especially if the manufacturer has not produced enough supply to satisfy the demand. Then yes they will defiantly sell out. I am sure there are going to be areas where you can get a PS4 or XBox One easier than others. Lets be a sport and play nice Graeme.

          • Graeme Lynch

            Don’t get your pants in a twist. I was just raising a point that Wayne had stated a similar comment before. I live in the UK where Asda has stopped selling the WiiU in stores. So true I am sure things are different from country to country. I just get frustrated with people on here making excuses and basically crossing their fingers for a brighter future for the WiiU. I don’t understand why people cannot be objective and accept that things are pretty bad. Rather than letting Nintendo coast we should be making our voices heard in hopes of Nintendo actually taking action. Not giving us lackadaisical Nintendo Directs or misinformation. It is one thing to withhold information about games to maintain excitement and spinning the rumour mill but it is another to completely avoid it and remain silent that consumers and business begin to worry about the state of the console.
            I do apologise if I have insulted Wayne or yourself.

          • Veries Seals

            Thank you Graeme. I am sorry that I rushed to judgment. I have to be honest it is true that Nintendo is down right now and I do agree that they should be doing a super advertising campaign to remedy the situation. I know sometimes it can be bothersome for some that We Nintendo fans are always super optimistic. But that is a great thing! That means they have a super loyal customer base that when times get tough we dont jump ship on them. In turn yes they should be working hard to remedy these issues. I am always reading UK game news such as Eurogamer and I am keeping a close eye on how the console is doing in the UK. I truly hope Nintendo starts giving the UK simultaneous game releases with the US, instead of getting the games after us in the US. I also think you should have every game available in the US as well. I hate to see other countries that have to wait longer for good games. Lately Nintendo has been releasing games in the UK before the US, which is actually great to see!But we have to have faith in our team. Thats why we are so optimistic. I have had my Wii U for 10 months now and I have honestly loved every minute of it. I traded in my Xbox 360 and have not looked back. I now have a whopping library of games that I know I wont finish anytime soon. I love the console so far because with out the big 3rd parties crowing the system I have had a chance to try new independent games that I never would have tried other wise, like Bit Trip Runner, Cloudberry Kingdom, Chasing Aura, Nano Assault, Spin the Bottle Bumpies Party and more. They are all great games. I would normally be considered a hardcore, fighting, RPG, 3rd person shooter, pro racer and adventure game guy, but yet and still I have purchased great games like Sing Party, Your Shape Fitness Evolved and Scribblenauts Unlimited! I have loved every purchase. I cant even dance but will be buying Just Dance 2014 LMAO! The games on Wii U are great! I hate that the developers are sticking there toes in the water and testing on us and giving us games without the full features. But in a since I understand. They are trying to get the feel for the new Nintendo. We had many games for the Orignal Wii but missed out on a lot of games that were on the XBox 360 and PS3 because the Original Wii did not have the power to run the games. Now it does, so some developers are using it as a testing ground. Some have admitted that they are just all out afraid of not being creative enough to take advantage of the new controller. They simply don’t know what to do with it. But should we not raise our expectations of our developers to be more creative and not just give us cookie cutter games for all of our consoles. If you look at IGN new they have an article about John Carmack, the guy that makes Doom, he says there is virtually only minor differences between the XBox One and PS4. That means you are gonna start seeing twins. The same games on both consoles, just with different box art, and that may be the same too. They have no reason to have to work to give a different experience on either one of the consoles. The reason why I like they Wii U. It is a different experience. The developers must think and go back to the drawing board and make new games or change the way their original games work for a different environment of play. Embrace your Wii U Graeme. I truly believe that within a year it will be your console of choice. Sorry for being so long winded.

        • Nintenjoe82

          Although I am pretty sure that the Wii U will never be able to run the major PS4 games at the same settings, the Gamecube’s specs looked much worse on paper than its competitors due to low clock speeds, less ram etc. and that was the console with the most beautiful games.
          Nintendo really should offer an amazing loyalty program to early adopters because they were the most profitable company in the world (per employee) a few years ago and still managed to fail to make more than 2 decent launch games ready in the first 9 months. Not just some discounted VC games but something we all want.

        • jrob23

          you ‘explained’ your version of reality. Sorry bud, you can’t get much better than 1080p 60fps. Sure they can do 4K, but good luck affording a TV that can do that and good luck finding a game that can do it for a year or two. ha ha ha. Nice try though!!

          • Graeme Lynch

            Are you stalking my comments? Seriously…Have you even seen the actual gameplay graphics that PS4 is capable of? Clearly not because it is much more than simply the screen resolution and frame rate. I’m not even that much of a PS fan but I have a need to point out how ridiculous some Nintendo weeaboos arguments are.

          • jrob23

            Have YOU seen the gameplay graphics that the PS4 is capable of? I mean, you must be really special having an early release of the PS4 in your possession to use. lol. Have you seen what the Wii U is capable of? We all know devs are barely scratching the surface right now. Just look at the difference between Halo verus Halo 4, or Uncharted versus The Last Story. Only in the last year has the PS360 been fully optimized. Sure, there will be difference a couple of years down the road but not so much like there was between PS360 and the wii. What matters is are the games fun. Nintendo has different experiences as do the others. Each has their strengths. You don’t hear people complaining that Sony doesn’t have any Mario type games or lasting iconic characters. I think it’s a little laughable when people make claims about a system i.e. the PS4 and Xbone when they aren’t even out yet and most of what we have seen are trailers and marketing videos.
            The true test will be for games where it comes out on all systems. I think Watchdogs does. Let’s wait to see how that turns out. We will then be able to do a good comparison between the PS360, Wii U, and PS4 and Xbox One. Till then, it’s just conjecture.

          • Graeme Lynch

            Uh no it is not ‘conjecture’ as gameplay for several games has been released for the PS4 so I don’t know what you’re talking about. I also don’t understand what you are attempting to allude to in saying no one complains about not having ‘iconic’ characters. I would argue that PS and Microsoft DO have iconic characters. Evidently you don’t. If you cannot respond to me in a way that makes sense when I read it then just don’t bother.

          • jrob23

            oh, okay so watching someone play a game via a video on IGN or some other site is somehow giving you a true representation of its graphics and gameplay?

          • Graeme Lynch

            That is all we have to go on at the moment. Just like we can only assume the WiiU is somewhat capable of running similar games. We just don’t know and until Nintendo releases a game which pushes the console to the max we might never know other than to postulate.

      • Veries Seals

        I would not worry about Sony Wayne. I think that they will do well. I think Microsoft and Nintendo will all Co-Exist and flourish in this new Gaming Eco-System. Each console has something wonderful that stands out about it. Sony chose to go crazy with specs and ease of development. Microsoft wants to be the king of the living room, pioneering the first multi-OS gaming and entertainment machine and well Our trusty Nintendo gave us one of the most innovative ways to play on a controller since the Wii. I am like you. I am Nintendo for life and the other two giants are my secondary and tertiary machines. Honestly to me I like Nintendo 1st, Second Microsoft, Third Sony. But I like them all. Sony will be fine.

    • Aleksi Enqvist

      Those are all great titles but I don’t think they won’t move systems in great numbers.

      3D world is pretty meh compared to the big Mario game everyone was waiting. It’s not Galaxy or even Sunshine. Wind Waker HD is definetely day one purchase for me but it won’t sell systems. Tropical Freeze… meh. Another 2D platformer. Metroid would’ve really helped to boost the sales. Pikmin 3 is absolutely the best game Wii U will have this year but still it wasn’t enough to sell loads of systems.

      If they had finished the Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros for 2013 holiday season just imagine how much they would’ve boosted the sales. Now those games will be released somewhere in spring 2014.

      • Mochlum

        But Donkey Kong Country Returns sold way more then Metroid Prime…

        • Wayne Beck

          Yeah, it’s kind of funny how the industry works. Gamers are under the impression that it is the super kool hardcore fan titles that sell, but its not. Mario, DK, Party Games, those are the real system sellers.

          It’s not a coincidence that Top Five Nintendo Franchises, Mario, Pokemon, “Wii” party games, Zelda and Donkey Kong are all being released when Nintendo needs to boost Console Sales.

          • Mochlum

            Yeah, Pokemon Rumble U may really help the Wii U, along with Wind Waker HD, Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Mario 3D World, and Donkey Kong.

          • Truthteller

            I guess people assume Metroid Prime sold because of all of the paid reviewers high scores. It is a FPS and many people don’t like those. I have a coupon for Crysis 3 PC and I have not touched it yet.

          • jay

            You do know Nintendo has a policy against paying 3rd parties for praise right?

            Why do you think there’s so much negative media against Nintendo? Because the media label Nintendo “greedy” and want to see them fail. There’s no money in non-partnerships.

            Unlike MS who pays a shit ton to sites like IGN:

          • david jarman

            “It is an fps and many people don’t like those”

            So who the hell keeps buying call of duty and battlefield?
            Why is golden eye, quake, doom and wolfenstein consider cult classics?
            Why did halo? Become halo 2,3, reach, odst and 4?
            Why would you buy a game and not play it?

      • ItzameyaToad

        Wind Waker was released on a console that not everyone got a chance to own so they never got to play it. Take in to consideration the group of new gamers who where never born or where to young to care, the gamers who couldn’t afford multiple systems so they had to miss out on the Gamecube, and the fans that just want another Zelda even if it is updated/improved version of a Gamecube game and you have a fairly big system seller. Sure it won’t move consoles like Mario Galaxy did but it sure as hell will get alot of people to buy a Wii U.

        Sure they could have boosted sales but why put out the big guns all at once? Smash Bros and Mario Kart are some of Nintendo’s biggest franchises so them holding off until 2014 is actually smart seeing as that is when the competition is releasing alot of there big games and Wii U needs big games released then to compete.

        And 3D world is looking to be a great game that will move alot of systems purely on the fact of how much people liked 3D world on the 3ds. If you think it won’t be a big success because it isn’t what people where expecting you are wrong. 95% of all the people who say they won’t buy 3D world will and the people who enjoyed the 3DS version will look to buying the Wii U version/buy a Wii U.

        Also the DK games have always done better than Metroid sorry its just a fact so I feel it will move alot of Wii U’s.

        And Pikmin 3 hasn’t even been out a week in NA and not even a month in Europe and it is helping sell Wii U’s. To say otherwise is stupid. And it’s not like people expected Pikmin 3 to move alot of Wii U’s in fact it has done much better than 90% of people thought it would so in a way it has helped the Wii U alot.

      • Dez

        …You do realize that the team behind the Galaxy games is working on 3D world, right? Moreover, people are judging this game off a very miniscule amount of game footage. Galaxy was uber fun, but I’d rather see them experiment with some other things again, at least Mario games do change except New Super Mario Bros. Wii/U which were basically the same thing. I say don’t knock on it before we know more about this game.
        You would be surprised, people doubt the strength of Nintendo’s software, but they still sell like crazy. When you consider how the Gamecube wasn’t a major success, that means the number of people that were able to play Wind Waker wasn’t that large. To most, they’ll see it as a new Zelda game albeit, the graphics might not give the impression people think of when it comes to a Zelda home console these days.

        Really, lol. How is Donkey Kong not a system seller? Donkey Kong has a ton of fans the world over and they sell about as well as Mario games. Metroid, as much as it is loved, isn’t exactly THE system seller. It’ll definitely move some units, but Donkey Kong/Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart/Smash Bros. are the games that move the most units and cause sales spikes.
        One thing you can’t forget about is also the fact Nintendo can’t play all its cards at once. That means another wave of droughts if you don’t save things for the following year. Next year already is shaping up to be quite good with Smash Bros, Bayonetta 2, X, Mario Kart, and Miyamoto’s new IP. Sony really doesn’t seem to have much going for it early next year, I think the Order 1866 is like end of 2014, Infamous: Second Son is like the only Sony game that I recall being Spring 2014. As for Microsoft, they already shot themselves in the foot ages ago, with that price, too, it isn’t competition, it is dead in the water except for shooter fanboys.

        • Andreas Sunde

          Wrong. The team behind Galaxy 2 is working on 3D World. The team behind Galaxe has been quiet since mid-2011, their project is said to be revealed soon.

      • Andreas Sunde

        Super Mario Galaxy: 11.72 million.
        Super Mario Galaxy 2: 7.05 million.
        NSMB Wii: 27.88 million.

        Metroid Prime: 2 million.
        Metroid Prime 2: 1.33 million.
        Metroid Prime 3: 1.65 million.
        Metroid Prime Trilogy: 0.67 million.
        DKC Returns: 6 million.

        Do you get my point?

    • Truthteller

      *Sigh* You people can keep thinking that those games (the only ones they will get) will increase sales all you want to, but you know deep down that they won’t. Also, to the others who claimed that Wind Walker HD was not being promoted as a new game – just read this guy’s comment!

      • Yoboyjohn

        Lol isn’t this nintendos first hd rerelease? Sony has a ton like mgs had collection,or jak and daxter he collection.too bad they both sucked though since Sony its no effort into anything :)

      • ItzameyaToad

        *Sigh* Ah yes how could we forget a troll such as yourself, you are one of those people who live in a fantasy world where Nintendo 1st party games don’t move consoles and don’t outsell competitions 1st party games 3 to 1 hahaha well thats ok so long as you are happy I guess. I just can’t seem to wrap my mind around going to a site just to post negativity about a product/company. Hell I am almost certain more than half of us on this site have had strong hate for Microsoft and there stupid money grabbing schemes but I am willing to bet more than half of us would not go on a Microsoft fan page just to write bad thing’s about Xbox or Microsoft and if we do go to the websites we give constructive criticism not flat out idiotic statements you so famously wish to spew on this page. You are very pathetic sir..very pathetic indeed.

      • Andreas Sunde

        It’s new to me, so I don’t complain.

    • Διονύς84

      I don’t get this. Hadn’t they said at a previous point that they make 10$ per console sold?

    • Jeffery02

      I’M looking forward to next year! Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, and Super Smash Bros. will make the Wii U a must have for just about everyone! If Nintendo can at least release Mario Kart 8 just after the hype of the PS4 and Xbone calm down, then they may still yet be the top. Btw, you forgot Wonderful 101! I’m so excited for that one!

  • Wanderlei

    You have to wonder how much Sony are gonna suffer selling the ps4 at its price, which they obviously did to under cut Microsoft. They lost $8 billion on the ps3, to put in to perspective it is more than their ps1 and ps2 profits combined.

  • Smartass2

    If they really want to move systems they need to make an update that let’s you play 3DS games on it. Come on its got two screens ones a touch pad and a SD slot.

  • Rugmouse

    Quite frankly, I don’t really see the need for a price cut. The rationale behind the poor sales of the Wii U has always been a lack of quality titles. I believe Nintendo is doing it the right way – focus on giving gamers a quality lineup first and foremost, then work in some targeted advertising that will reach a wide wide audience.

    Once these pieces fall into place, I have no doubt that the console will pick up and, in turn, lead to more developer interest.

    • Entropyguy

      This is true. If there are no games people want to play, it doesn’t matter how cheap the console is. With a library of awesome games (which is finally starting to happen), $350 becomes a reasonable price to pay for the thing.

    • Felix

      just like the wii. *irony*

  • david jarman

    I’d pay the $350 over again for my wii u! I can’t say the same thing about my ex-box 360. It took 1 yr for it to get games worth buying as well and it had suicidal issues(red ring)
    We already new that it was being sold at a loss. We are getting at least one great game a month.
    If this site were truly a nintendo fansite then help promote the damn thing in a more positive way. Why doesn’t anybody write what they like about the system?

    • Stephen Davis

      Agreed and easy to forget nonetheless. We can only stay optimistic for so long

    • Felix

      non agree here. no need to be positive or negative. this is just the reality, even if you dont like it. I own a Wii U since day 1 and i wish i never spend the money on it. I could be playing most of games (cod, batman, darksiders II, lego city, etc) on my ps3 or PC. to me, mario, nintendo land a few more doesnt worth this money, considering the dark future that still has to come.

      • crocodileman94

        Lego City is a Nintendo exclusive.

        • Felix

          whatever :P u got my point

      • david jarman

        First, you can’t play lego city on your ps3 and no it would not be the same.
        Second, why did you purchase one if not for nintendo games?

        Did you not buy your ps3 at day one cause it had a worse drought then both Xbox 360 and the wii u. Everybody claimed that Sony was finish.

        My point is I saw a similar article like this posted earlier on this website.
        I love my wii u. I love playing virtual console games through hdmi.
        I love nintendo games. I love playing black ops on my wii u better then I do on the Xbox! Why?! Cause I love the gamepad. I love using its big map to drop bombs on people. I love switching classes without leaving the game. I love off tv play while my wife reads a book next team as I call people hackers.
        Plus, once again! The biggest reason( I know I’ve already said it) is because I’m straight up a nintendo fan I die for those games. I can’t get that same charming satisfaction from any other gaming company.

        • david jarman

          Edit: my wife reads a book next to me.

          Disqus is crapping out on me and won’t let me edit.

  • Fred

    I don’t understand why people keep thinking they’re going to get a price cut Nintendo has said MANY TIMES that there won’t be a price cut in the near future yet people keep expecting it.

    • Toadlord

      It’s because Nintendo has to do SOMETHING to get the consoles moving. That could come in the form of bundles, but that’s just another form of a temporary price cut.

      • Fred

        They will do something, they will continue to produce great games until people realize that they need the Wii U. Pikmin 3 last week, Wonderful 101 next month, Wind Waker in October, Donkey Kong in November, Mario in December, Mario Kart 8, Yarn Yoshi and the best looking one of all X coming in 2014 with even more after that.

        I don’t think it was the price drop that got the 3DS to finally sell. It was that there were no games so people didn’t want to buy a 3DS and not have any games. I wanted a 3DS at first until I saw that there weren’t any games, but by the time Mario 3D Land game out it was to the point where I couldn’t say no anymore so I jumped in (now I have 2 of them). The same thing will happen with the Wii U except that since they are already selling it at a loss they aren’t going to cut the price again, they’ll just keep making great games till people give up and buy it.

  • Ross Brocklesby

    A ps3 is still selling for over £200 quid, the wiiu is better, more powerful the only thing it lacks is a big games which it will have. I paid £230 for my wiiu and its worth it, the gamepad alone brings features that to me have changed when and how I game.

    • Felix

      u are comparing a wii u with a console from last decade

      • BIG Franky

        its a relevant comparison in terms of pricing, which i am guessing is his point…. the wii u is priced competively, since it is cheap relative to consoles from a decade ago…which obviously makes it cheaper than the upcoming next gen consoles being released… (again, i am assuming that is his point)…

  • Clel

    Don’t feed him guys. Show some self-control. I believe in you.

    • Zombie Boy

      Flag as always!

  • Zzenya A Thompson

    Look at it this way. The crapier Nintendo does the cheaper the games get. I just got Tekken Tag 2 for $15 new. In six months Pikmin 3 will be mine!

    • Deadpool U

      Trolls everywhere

  • Ross Brocklesby

    Also Nintendo have brought a more hardcore console to the market over the wii. Takes time to for people to get used to that. I bought my wiiu for monster hunter which is a system selling game for any hardcore gamer. It’s simply the best game on wiiu for me right now. Gamers forget what fun games are. Mario bros U, donkey kong are platforming classics in HD! Wind waker is great adventure game. ZombieU shows the wiiu’s darker side with a great FPS! If you have not got wiiU take the plunge you will love it! The remote play is flawless and great for gaming when the tv is in use!

  • therealruben1

    If they do have a price cut,i hope for something like the ambasseder program on the 3ds

  • tronic307

    Now, which one of those can you actually afford?

  • Patrick Francis

    Why on earth would they do that?
    “Buy the Wii U that has no games, for cheaper”
    What game would they include 4 months ago?

    Plus, Wii U doesn’t need a price drop, it is cheaper than the other options, and by the time PS4 and Xbox One come out, the Wii U will have the games it needs to be a competitor.

  • Rugmouse

    Actually, this is a post that brings something to the table…thank you for that.

    The way I see it, however, is the 3DS was priced too high when initially launched. Not only was it going up against the Vita, as you’ve stated, but it also had to set itself apart from tablet and mobile gaming – an area in which I believe Nintendo didn’t fully appreciate. This is the main reason I believe Nintendo reacted with a price cut.

    The Wii U, on the other hand, is priced in a decent position. The hardware is below that of the other next generation consoles, which I believe is warranted. The issue now is just enticing gamers to see the system as something worth spending that sort of money on (via quality titles and advertising).

  • Ice Climbers

    In other news, everybody should go check Serebii for the newest Pokemon X/Y news. Warning: MAJOR spoilers. Except now I NEED to have Pokemon Y in my hands.

  • Clel

    I’m not sure how I should do this, but, here we go. It’s worth a shot:

    Calling!

    bizzy gie

    Nintedward

    D.M.T.

    Ducked

    Magnus Erikkson

    Bob Wilkerson

    Zorpix

    The Clockwork Being

    and

    Zombie Boy

    I would absolutely LOVE to play with you all. For that, I would require your Miiverse tags and, perhaps, if you would like, MKWII and Smash Bros. friend codes. If you do not wish to post them to the public, you can also e-mail me at cleltheyoshi@gmail.com (my alternate e-mail address). If you do not wish to speak to me at all, no hard feelings :P

    Whether or not you feel like making these public, it woould be nice if we could establish some sort of group (e.g. through e-mail), because using Disqus would be messy and use up comment space.

    I know this probably wasn’t the neatest way to do this, but it’s worth a shot. Hope you accept!

    Cheers!
    Clel

    • Marcus Navarro

      I wanna join! :(

      • Clel

        You can too :D I just knew I had forgotten a few people.

        • Marcus Navarro

          ^o^/ YES! YES!
          I posted my Nintendo Network ID up top.

        • gamesplayswill

          …Clel boy, I wanna join! =3
          I know I already asked but I would like friends to play MKWii with.

          • gamesplayswill

            Who downvotes me for wanting to have friends online!?
            XD

          • 00EpicGamer00

            Most likely TruthTeller. He’s probably jealous because he can’t find friends to play with. And his mom probably scolds him if he plays past 6:00 (P.M. of course.)

        • Deadpool U

          What about me?

    • gamesplayswill

      want friends, may I too?

    • Zombie Boy

      ZombieBoy78 (with the capital letters). Look forward to seeing you on there :)

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      Are a member of the forums of this site?? I can be found in there. Might be a clean place for people to send messages back and forth and share NintendoIDs if they wish. Definitely do not want to post my IDs on this comment thread.

      • Zombie Boy

        Meh, it never bothered me. The people who cause trouble on here don’t own a Wii U (and you can choose who to accept anyway)!

        • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

          I suppose you’re right.. Just got to be aware of the ones that may have a Wii U that may try and pretend to be someone else to get friended.

          NIntendoID is bobiroc

      • Clel

        No, but you can e-mail me at cleltheyoshi@gmail.com

        I’m fine with posting it here because it’s an alternate e-mail address.

        Oh and how do I join the forums? I’ll start looking anyways, but I’m still asking in case it’s complicated.

      • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

        or a field in your profile where you add the NintendoID

    • JB

      Hey. I got left out the party. HAHA

      • Clel

        Hey, I forgot you!

    • Nintendude

      *crashes party*

    • Marcus Navarro

      DatNOBoi or DatN.O.Boi

    • The Clockwork Being

      I already told you about my situation. I will add you!

      • Clel

        Currently though, the only multiplayer games I have are MKWii and Smash Bros Brawl. I thought you had a Wii?

        • The Clockwork Being

          Oh that I do but right now my Wii kinda has over heating issues which makes it prone to turn off hence why I stopped playing online. So it would be a lost cause to give you my Wii online account.

          So im going for a fresh online start with Wii U

          • readypembroke

            do a System Transfer from Wii to Wii U so if you unlocked characters, you dont lose them!

    • Zombie Boy

      Love that we all got downvoted. I think someone doesn’t own a Wii U and is jealous… lol

    • Yoboyjohn

      Isn’t there no online for the wii anymore?

      • readypembroke

        For games? Yes there still is until the dev shuts down the servers.

        • Yoboyjohn

          Oh cool I was thinking of picking up a few games.would the wii u version of the wii work with normal wii servers?

          • Clel

            The Wii U does absolutely everything that the Wii does, with the exception of playing Gamecube games and accepting Gamecube controllers.

          • Yoboyjohn

            Oh cool I always wanted a few good multiplayer games,thanks!

          • readypembroke

            online parts of wii games do work on the Wii U.

  • Patrick Francis

    Wii U has 20-40 games releasing before the end of 2013.

  • gamesplayswill

    (My meme btw)

  • Nintendude

    I’m starting to think you like this site.

    • oontz

      He’s got a point… Nintendo put TOO MUCH faith in the 3rd parties this time and it bit them in the ass.

  • Nintendude

    …Do trolls actually still say that phrase?

  • Marcus Navarro

    The Wii U’s not desperate for a price cut at all. Just because it’s not a mini-PC with a 500GB HDD(which is available anywhere btw) doesn’t mean it’s not worth a damn. What really makes the console so expensive is the custom-made tech and the flash memory.
    The only reason to even give the Wii U a price cut is to sell it successfully in USA, where the everyday citizen struggles financially that is debating on whether or not to get a Wii U or save up for the PS4. However, what Nintendo’s been doing is somewhat working. Granted it’s far from being the best route to take, 3.6M in 8 months is FAR from what one would (seriously) consider a flop.
    Besides, since when should gaming consoles be anything but? They are(supposed to be) semi-cheap luxuries, what one would buy if they wanna play high-quality games and can’t afford a 1k PC. Their 1st priority is to play games(fucking Microsoft!).

  • Yen

    We apologize that you do not have the intelligence to appreciate those 35 games.

  • Marcus Navarro

    Like you’d know. I bet you can’t list 8 of them.

  • Squirrel09

    Name the five good ones please. :) then name more than 7 on ps4 that you will actually buy. My guess is that you’re a kid who can’t even afford 5 games and looking forward to Christmas so your parent van by you call of duty ghosts… which is on the Wii u…

  • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

    If WiiU still sells at a loss I wonder where the loss comes from, is it the gamepad which is so expensive to develop? I honestly can’t figure it out, hardwarewise PS4 has far more expensive stuff in it, yet it’s $/€/£ 50,- more, or is Sony selling their PS4 at an even greater loss (possibly 200-300,-)?

    It has been known the WiiU sells at a loss of about 60,- when you buy one first party game it’s profitable for Nintendo. I’m just wondering, not dissing the WiiU price so don’t get me wrong, I just want to know what makes the WiiU so “expensive” all I can imagine is the gamepad didn’t it sell separetely for $120-150 in Japan or something?

    • C4

      Probably, CNN estimated the GamePad manufacturing cost to almost 80$.

      http://gengame.net/2013/03/cnn-estimates-the-cost-of-manufacturing-wii-u-to-be-about-228/

      That’s almost as much as a Wii or GameCube one year after launch just for the GamePad, and it’s not guaranteed that those components and manufacturing get much cheaper soon.

      • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

        Ah that explains a lot indeed, good article you found there, it atleast clearifies a lot thx for the link.

    • oontz

      It’s the gamepad. If the wiiu was just sold with the pro controller it’d be around $199usd for the deluxe (based on component prices).

      The gamepad and pack in game are where Nintendo is taking the biggest hit.

  • jeffp3456

    Well more accurately, the WiiU is priced at a loss! And IMO if they don’t cut the price at the intro of the other new systems it prob wont be selling at all :-(

    Still ultimately you buy a system to play games and WiiU should have more available by xmas than the other two..hopefully.

  • blindtiger

    1. you can use two gamepads… there just arent any games that do
    2. nintendo is not in the tablet market, its a controller
    3. doing fine is not doing great or innovating
    4. wii u still uses wiimotes… so we are still out of our seats

  • Marcus Navarro

    Ugh…this dude…
    Tell it to the developers.

  • Marcus Navarro

    Meh. 70+ Wii U games (46 of which are 3rd party) says otherwise.

  • Christopher Acuna

    No price cut needed…MARKETING NEEDED! Marketing to the masses, not just Nintendo Fans.

    • Andreas Sunde

      They’re waiting for more games to market.

  • blindtiger

    there arent games period… but all that is about to change

    • NintenFan2013

      There are some good ones out there

  • Mochlum

    inb4 Nintendo is stubborn and doesn’t do price drop. I mean, I think making the Regular $250-$275 and the Deluxe $325 or so would be good to grab more attention.

    • blindtiger

      no basic model, just deluxe minus nintendoland for $300 would kill it

      • Mochlum

        Yeah. A $50 difference between PS4 and Wii U may not strike up much, but it being a more family oriented system that is $100 cheaper with Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong, and eventually Mario Kart? That’ll help.

        • Elem187

          its not a $50 difference. You don’t get a game with your $400 PS4.
          And when a system comes with a game, it makes it a big deal. Parents don’t like buying a system for christmas that doesn’t come with a game.

          • Mochlum

            True. Also, it would be a good idea to bundle the Wii U with another Wii Remote Plus too, instead of assuming everybody in the world has four to play with.

          • NintenFan2013

            yep

  • ezquimacore

    Mr. Iwata, If you want to sell systems you need system sellers, simple as that… now, announce metroid, zelda, star fox, Pokemon U and miyamoto’s new IP, then everything will be alright.

    • oontz

      Exactly! I bought my wiiu at launch cause I love nintendo but I have A LOT of friends who are still on the fence because they haven’t seen that “Gotta have it” game from Nintendo.

  • Elitepwnsface

    Its going to have to at this point. In fact they are going to need to drop the price this holiday. But i could see huge sales if the deluxe was $300 or $250.

  • Pedro Natera

    $50 dollar price cut if necessary if nintendo wants to sell more units

  • Luis Gonzalez

    Nintendo sold many Wiis because when compared to PS3 and 360 back then it was super cheap. At $350 compare that to PS4 and X1 is not a big difference. If you think Wii sold well because it was different you are very wrong. Wii U is different and yet sales has not pick up. Hopefully with the new batch of games it will do better. But they need a price cut. I think $200 for basic and $250 for deluxe would hit the sweet spot.

    • sd

      Nintendo home consoles have always been a bargain, i think Nintendo should lower the price, they also need to. Yes it is sold at a loss, but they are profitable immediately with one game sale. Thats a tiny loss and everyone needs to buy a game. I think they should at the least do a tiny price drop, even if only by $25.

  • Jonny Smith

    I hope that the price cut will come with a Wii U Ambassador program, I LOVED THE 3DS AMBASSADOR PROGRAM!

  • 00EpicGamer00

    Yeah, no. Are you alright? Do you have a mental problem? Oh, and you misspelled “shit”, retard -_-

    Also, if “44 of those are utter shite” then why do they sell so well? Please think next time before you post. Oh wait, you can’t think, you obviously have no brain since you don’t have the ability to speak correctly.

    If you’re going to make fun of something, spell it right. I hope you start pre-K soon. You NEED it.

  • RoboticLink

    Well hopefully people will realize that the Wii U is priced well since you don’t need to pay $400 and $500 for a console (I think that’s the price of the PS4 and XB1)

  • zajac1661

    Everybody comments “just wait for the holiday. It will boost sales” Hopefully it will. I just think that the upcomming titles like windwaker, super mario 3d world ad donkey kong, should be among titles released earlier this year, to manifest the console, before the others launch.

    We know what wind waker is. We played the donkey kong non hd engine on the wii. 3d mario world built on the same (modified) engine as the 3ds.
    Sure it will be great games, but what i really miss is a solid super title. Like galaxy was for the wii. Like ocarina was for the 64, and so on.

    I totally support the wiiu, and i buy every game that catches my interest. But instead of saying “yeah yeah, the holiday will do” i actually get a bit nervous on behalf of nintendos ability to just rocket the wiiu in sales.

    The competition will be tougher than ever, and yes there are good titles incomming. I just think they come a bit too slow. With a long solo ride, the wiiu should have had established itself stronger. 90% of the people i know, still have no clue about it. I. Hunger for the upcomming games. But i really think it has been faar to slow with titles.

    • sd

      Wonderful 101…..That game will be amazing, it is anew IP and a different game to almost anything I have seen. This is being overlooked by so many people as it is not a Nintendo made game> But it is a Nintendo exclusive and this for me is the reason I never sold my Wii in the first half of this year.

      Pikmin 3 is also one of the best games I have ever played. This surprised me as I only bought it out of desperation.

      • zajac1661

        I just picked up Pikmin 3 as well. The game is very fun so faar. Pikmin is a strong brand for sure, but i doubt it is strong enough to save the WiiU sales, here in Europe at least. I must admit to have looked a bit past the wonderfull 101, but it looks fun.
        I think i saw a article, mentioning the game being very short. That could be a bit of a downside for me.

        None the less, i actually never picked up WindWaker on the GC, so have a big title comming my way personally afterall!

  • Truthteller

    It is not being sold at a loss, because it is not being sold at all!

    • springer85

      We are the stupid brothers!!!!!

      • readypembroke

        SOOOO TRUE!! about freaking time you realized it!!!

  • springer85

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am a piece of shite!!!!!!!!!!

  • companyoflosers

    consoles almost always sell at a loss with the exception of the xb1 and ps4. hardware is never the what gains a onsole maker profit, its the software that is playable on that hardware that makes up for the loss and puts them in the green. the 360 sold at a loss from launch i believe and they still got a price cut eventually. the problem with expecting the wii u’s price to drop isnt whether its selling at a loss or not, its the fact that its nintendo. nintendo rarely drops prices for anything. we didnt see a cut it a game as old as twilight princess until the past year or so and look at how long thats been out. consoles are another thing but nintendo still likes to keep things as high as possible for as long as possible. once they start seeing the wii u catch on like the 3ds is where they will drop the price of the console because if they dont have more software selling to make up for the increase loss on the console, they are just losing even more. game sales will have to be at a point where they can be confident that they can lower the price of the console. theres a sweet spot that just hasnt been hit yet. it wont have to reach a huge amount because they also understand a price cut will increase sales as well, but even they want a comfortable safety net of already existing sales before any cuts happen.

  • Mykdee

    all of this talk about price cuts has led a lot of people to not buy the console. i know several people that say, ‘i really want to get a WiiU! But I heard the price is going to be dropped soon, so i’m waiting until then.’

    If people came to terms that the price is going to stay where it is for a year or two, things would be a lot better for everyone. Nintendo clearly has no intention of dropping prices, and i don’t think they should. I have a WiiU, it’s worth every penny. However i’m not convinced the PS4 is worth the cost, when nearly every game is being created on the PS3 still. Why would i spend more money for something slightly better, with a bunch of features i don’t want. The WiiU is the only console getting played at my house. PS3 & 360 are dead to me, every game is the same. Why would Xbone or PS4 be any different with the same developers.

    • oontz

      Wow over 700 ps3 games and they are ALL the same? That’s amazing… not like Nintendo franchises at all… no they are always different.

      Why are Nintendo fanboys THE WORST! Just play games to enjoy them… trying to sugar coat it like Nintendo is the “be all and end all” of video games makes you look short sighted and immature.

      If anything the wiiu is slightly better than the wii. Gamepad or not. Not even nintendo has shown a reason why using the gamepad is the future of video games AND IT’S THEIR SYSTEM!!

      • Mykdee

        talk about short sighted LOL, you literally responded to half a sentence from my post!
        Slightly better than the Wii? i can tell you don’t own one. and you didn’t even respond to the main point of my message, which was that the WiiU does not have to cut their price for anybody. I never said Nintendo was the”be all and end all” either, i simply said that my 360 and PS3 are not getting played at all at my house, and are dead to me. I have played and own hundreds of video games, and PS3 and Xbox video games are all pretty much the same. Multi-plats all over the place, created using the same engines they always use, only putting in enough effort to sell them to the masses, while they move on to the next rushed out release.

        they already have shown why the gamepad can be useful, its called the 3DS…and people love it.

      • Mykdee

        talk about short sighted, you literally responded to half of a sentence from my post. If you insist.
        PS3 & 360 are full of multi plats, made from the same old engines they always use to throw together a game with no intention of making it great, leaving gamers with subpar games, while they move on to rush out the next release because they know that their last game wasn’t the best they could do. They nearly all look the same to me, trust me i own hundreds of them.

        and as for the main point of my first post, Nintendo seems to agree with me: Iwata believes price isn’t an issue for poor Wii U sales. I still stand by my statement that things would be better for everyone, if people came to terms that the price isn’t going to drop. Waiting for a price drop is hurting sales(and developer support), and the consumers could be enjoying great games right now.

      • Mykdee

        dupe.

  • Tom Greene

    It’s not worth $350 due to the lack of games…it is ..in my opinion( in not any particular order, 1. Only comes with 32gb of storage 2. Has slow operating system and load times for games and menus 3. The Rayman Legends fiasco. 4. Nintendo and Retro Studios playing it safe announcing yet another DK game and not Metroid 5 . Smash Bros and Mario Kart not until 2014 (holday likely)

    • ItzameyaToad

      1: Buying more memory is inexpensive, and really more memory is only needed if you wish to buy multiple big name titles digitally.

      2: Load times are alot faster than they used to be due to an update a month or two ago(and the OS is actually fast now) load times are not bad at all I should know I own several games and the load time is about the same as Xbox 360 for most games, maybe even faster(havnt takin the time to measure the two load times)

      3:Not really a good reason not to get one, anyways the Wii U is still getting the superior version so its all good.

      4:They are not playing it safe they are going with the game series that has proven to sell more and thats DK. Game series that sells more vs series that doesn’t sell as much but can be released later in Wii U’s lifecycle.

      5:Good business move on Nintendo’s behalf. Allows them to increase systme sales in 2013, then in 2014 release there biggest franchises in the midst of the competition releasing there big hitters.

      I understand a few of those points where your “opinion” but some where not hence why I pointed them out.

      • oontz

        were not where

        • ItzameyaToad

          Some where not opinions he stated is what I meant by that.

          • oontz

            still “were” not “where”.. did you fail english?

          • ItzameyaToad

            Hahahaha are you kidding me? Not that grammer isn’t important but I thought you really didn’t get what I was saying haha. Anyways I don’t care if you pick apart my grammer I did fine in school and make mistakes from time to time. I mean who doesn’t? Anyways be a grammer Nazi all you want I don’t givva damn sunny-boy!

          • oontz

            Ha ha, I’m not a grammar nazi mate… not like I’m going to starve you and gas you in an oven for using poor English.

            When people use correct English it makes their points clear and easy to digest.

          • ItzameyaToad

            I agree haha next time be out with it. I try to use correct English as much as I can but mess up on occasionally, so next time just say whats wrong grammer wise. Btw sorry for the Grammer Nazi comment I just automatically assume people are grammer Nazi’s because they correct my English.

  • Josh

    Against what price? no way are they taking a 170 loss on the wii u in canada, and I seriously doubt that target is taking much of a loss. I’m assuming this a loss on the price nintendo sells to retailers. I’m curious what the retailer cost is.

  • Dez

    Tell me, how is this surprising? Nintendo has repeatedly said they won’t drop the price on the console anytime soon, why is everyone keep expecting them to suddenly switch things up? Still the cheapest next-gen console, first Nintendo console they are selling at a loss, why would they try to sell it at an even bigger loss? Seriously, look how long it took the PS3 to be profitable for Sony, it took quite a while for it to return to profit because even with good software sales, they were struggling to make up for all the loses on the PS3 during its early years and constantly popping out better ones.

    My advice, don’t buy a Sony console at the start of the next-generation. I had two defective PS3s and these were around launch. The only hardware I can trust at launch is from Nintendo. I don’t know what they do, but Nintendo consoles never die or malfunction, never had one die on me before. Must be made of a secret element, Nintendium.
    The only problem I see why people are complaining about the price is attributed to the fact most don’t know about all the cool features the Wii U is capable of plus it is barely starting to get its titles out. Pikmin 3 marked the start of the comeback. By December, the Wii U will have the strongest game lineup, it’s kinks worked out, and a lot of other nice features available that people really won’t understand until they have one.

    • oontz

      “Nintendo consoles never die or malfunction”

      Except all the Wiiu systems that bricked during the day 1 firmware update.

      • Guest

        yeah because, disconnecting or turning off the system during the firmware update even though it told you not too is Nintendo’s fault. Go troll some other site please and thank you :P

        • oontz

          Not trolling just stating facts. There were many reports of wiiu’s bricking because of the way the installer was designed. Nintendo has since changed that in it’s new OS update.

          • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

            Right. The installer was designed to not have the system powered off during the install. Just like every other OS and firmware update. Not saying there wasn’t some that did not update successfully but most of the reports stated that people were impatient and thought the system was not doing anything so they forced the power off.

  • Link Slayer

    Nintendo will do great but I think Wii Have all learned a valuable lesson and thats to never again buy a launch Nintendo system again! They told us they learned from the mistakes of the 3ds but they didnt they just told us that so we would buy a system. But it will all get better I mean the 3ds is the system to have right now!

  • readypembroke

    WOOO!!!! Truthteller is in the house!!!! WAIT ladies and gentlemen……. who cares???? two words: NO ONE! he is just a TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jonathan Dogey

    I think $299 would look better for Wii U. XBOX One will be $500. PS4 will be $400. Wii U should be $300. And thats black with some decent memory.

  • Nolan ArchLord

    They should drop it to $299 for the deluxe version and include an eShop voucher for a free digital copy of Pokemon Rumble U. I believe the game is only $18?

  • readypembroke

    I know that at school, I will try to convince people to get a Wii U and somehow advertise it on my locker!! and hopefully my brother Mikie will get one!

  • Reiko Sheppard

    How is it at a loss when the new systems are $100 to 200 more with more power way more

  • Saul Strange

    Whatever Nintendo is paying to manufacture the gamepad is too much if they’re still making a loss. Would people have been put off if the Wii U launched with a normal controller and for $100 cheaper? I don’t think so. The games are gonna sell Wii U, not the control method.

    I like the gamepad (especially off-screen play), but I could take it or leave it, I just want Wii U for those Nintendo games!

  • MississaugaMaverick

    I think nintendo should make a model thats 199$ with the pro controller only. not everyone likes the tablet controller, even though i think its great. the cheaper price could help them sell more systems which increased sales would get us more 3rd party games.

    • Saleh Sbeiti

      the gamepad is required for somethings though

    • TrueWiiMaster

      If they make a model that sells without the Gamepad, they might as well scrap the Gamepad altogether. If developers can’t assume everyone has one, they can’t make full use of it in their games.

  • Nolan ArchLord

    Should’ve made a new Wii Remote. Think about this: Cut the Wii U Gamepad controller in half basically. No screen but the control scheme is the same as what’s in your hands. Motion controls, but a more complex control scheme. Anyone get what I’m trying to say here?

  • smguk

    I recently bought my Wii U Premium here in the UK, Own a 360 and looking forward to getting my XB1 but I can’t resist the Nintendo Exclusives I have been playing games since the Sinclair ZX Spectrum and some of the best Consoles/Games I have owned have been by Nintendo, I especially miss my N64.
    I got the Wii U with Pikmin 3 and Super Mario Bros and Nintendoland for £315 and so far its great but it will be so much better when Zelda/Super Smash Bros etc are released and especially my favourite Nintendo game of all time… Mario Kart !.
    I am hoping that Christmas will be a good time for the Wii U and next year when a lot of the big games will be released.
    I honestly think Nintendo shouldn’t have named it “Wii” again I know the original sold like crazy but I think a new name might have been a better move as I am sure a lot of people see it as nothing more than a slightly better Wii but its way beyond that.

  • Potemkin

    Well, I honestly do not believe that. Building a console like the Wii U shouldn’t cost more than 100 dollars, even counting the low cost of its APU. As for the gamepad, tablets with better specs are sold for like 60 dollars (and still making profit), which makes me believe that each gamepad costs Nintendo around 50.00 bucks.

    Of course, these are my thoughts on the matter, and it can turn out to be that Nintendo is using super High expensive chips and material this time around (which I seriously doubt), but I would like you to think about it this way, both the PS4 and the Xbox One not only include more processing power but also bigger storage space and more RAM, but their prices come pretty close to the WiiU deluxe version (at least for the PS4).

    I know flash memory is more expensive than disk based storage mediums, but what bothers me is the fact that the Wii U in terms of hardware comes closer to the PS3 than to the PS4, and the PS3 is selling at 250 bucks now and it is profitable to Sony for that price.

    In the end what I mean is, no, I don’t believe Nintendo is selling the Wii U at a loss but they want us to believe that so we will not wait for the price drop, but in my case, I will only buy one when it goes below 260 bucks AND I have games to play.

  • TrueWiiMaster

    I still don’t think a price cut is necessary. They need more games, better marketing, and new bundles. I also think they should stop selling the Basic, and make the Deluxe $300 without a game.

  • david jarman

    ???

  • david jarman

    Really? Band for having a debate about nintendo on a nintendo site? Didn’t call anyone names or even said anything negative about the person I had the debate with.
    I was pretty rational with defending nintendo while other people went direct to insulting the guy. Were they band too?

  • Logan Waltz

    if every console sells 3-4 games, then they need to price cut it so that they don’t make profit b4 3-4 games are sold