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Iwata discusses Nintendo’s relationship with third party developers

Iwata discusses how Nintendo handles third party developers and that the company wants to build sustainable relationships rather than pay for exclusives.

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During his investor’s question and answer session, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata discussed Nintendo’s stance on third party developers and how they operate versus what Nintendo does to embrace or ignore them. Plenty of interesting information cropped up during the discussion, including the fact that Nintendo refuses to offer money for exclusives from these developers. Iwata states that if the company started such practices, it would be a never ending cycle.

Instead, Iwata stated that he’d prefer to rely on sustainable relationships with third-party publishers.

“In terms of how we view our relationship with third-party publishers, I think it is natural that there is a difference between publishers who have the software development resources like Nintendo’s to build a software lineup of their own and publishers who do not.

Since former President Yamauchi passed away, I have been considering what he taught us in the end, and his words that the worst thing we can do in entertainment is to follow what others are doing spoke directly to my heart.

Following and imitating others is the kind of reasoning that Nintendo tries to avoid the most, and while we certainly do not have a negative attitude toward strengthening our ties with third-party publishers, employing the same methodology as the other manufacturers would only lead to the most simplistic competitive approaches, such as price wars or money-giving that would never end. We would like to take a unique approach of our own and build sustainable relationships with our third-party publishers.”

A lot of what Iwata says makes sense from a business perspective, as Ubisoft has been one of the biggest supporters of Nintendo’s system, while EA who has not continues to make platform exclusive deals for the next generation Xbox. This stance on lack of exclusivity also explains why Nintendo has such a good relationship with indie developers, as both Microsoft and Sony often require a platform exclusive period for indie developers before they are allowed to release on another console.

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  • shaw98

    Many people may not like Mr. Iwata but I respect him. He does not want his company in the direction of greed but through creativity as he would never layoff anyone. Although he may not be the best decision maker he does not lead the company down the path of greediness (EA hint, hint).

  • Sdudyoy

    I agree with him, if they just did what everyone else did then where would the fun of Nintendo be, Nintendo has always been fun and imaginative, and I hope they stick that way.

    • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

      you read my mind :)

  • gtosheex

    i like it. and that’s what makes nintendo… well… nintendo!

  • Gameonfool

    i always respect a captains strength on a sinking ship

    • Justagamer

      Facepalm!

      • Gameonfool

        Yippee-ki-yay motherfucker

        • Justagamer

          *sniffs the air* What the heck is that smell? Nasty and putrid like BO off of a dead person that crapped themselves? Oh! The nintendo trolls hating comments! Thanks haters for the hate and that smile you put on my face…Priceless!

        • Justagamer

          Oh and guy I think you have some mental problem stalking people on websites is really creepy man..Get some help soon

  • Nintenjoe82

    It’s true, if you go into any game shop at the moment you’ll see that MS and Sony are bankrolling nearly every next-gen version of cross-gen games; free CoD, FIFA etc. Nintendo would rather come 3rd than risk losing billions for the first couple of years.

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Sometimes you have to risk losing money to be on top. In the end, you’ll get back profit if you played your cards right.

      • Mohammad Badir

        the only case i can think of that this worked with is the 3DS.

        • Arthur Jarret

          How about the PS2?

          • Mohammad Badir

            Nintendo still made more money than them that gen :P

          • Arthur Jarret

            Technically… yeah – but the ps2 only stopped production this year, so it continued to make sony money during the current generation as well. Because of this – I cannot begin to estimate the numbers to have a properly argumented discussion about this.

            Therefore I will attempt to deflect your argument by formulating my response in an intellectual-seeming manner in hopes of impregmenting the notion that any person present is unlikely to emerge victorious from any such verbal warfare.

            I would also like to note that despite gaining less profit over the samd time period as a competitor, this does not negate that spending money early did result in a healthy profit and great brand recognition later on.

          • darkcreap

            Sony’s financial situation is not the best nowadays, precisely. Just the opposite to Nintendo. Should Sony face a market failure, which I hope they do not, they are less prepared to go on.

            Sega had to step out of the hardware market because, apart from screwing it in several products, they had a bad financial situation. Sony has something in their favour: they haven’t screwed it hadware wise. PS1 and PS2 were incredible. PS3 was good, but not so succesful as PS2. My guess is that it was the price tag. Hopefully, the PS4 will not face such problems. It has a lot of ingredients to be a successful console.

            What they do not have in their favour is their financial situation, which is likely a result of their risky approach to the market. If one they the game does not play as they expect, they could be in a very difficult situation. They already are.

      • Rinslowe

        Only, we all know Sony’ll take years to recoup that cost if they ever really manage it. Considering the PS4 is already selling at a reasonable loss, like last gen with PS3 before it. It will be years before Sony break even. Being on top in this case is subjective.
        Making the same investment risks and expecting a different result has a predictable outcome IMO. Kaz may just have a gambling addiction. Hope it pays off.
        Xbox one on the other hand is sold at a premium to avoid making the same mistakes, but unfortunately for many gamer’s perception of the platform being second to PS4 in performance and price makes paying for extra’s a bad bet overall.
        Neither next gen console has a cake walk after release. Both have their work cut out for them.
        I just don’t see Sony especially making money any time soon. But if that is worth any honorary titles is a matter of opinion. Personally I wouldn’t want to bet on that one.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I guess we’ll see how things go in a few years. The $399 price tag certainly gives them a better chance of success.

          • Rinslowe

            But surely you cannot imply that gives them a better chance, or any chance for that matter at financial success.
            PS3 has already proven exactly how that strategy translates to turning a profit.
            PS4 innards for that price, especially 8GB of GDDr5 per system is not cheap. Not even if you consider economies of scale.

            They might have a better chance at success in terms of popularity or no’ of total units sold… Or in comparison to Xbox 1, then yes.

            I actually am quite fond of PS platforms, but this strategy of theirs the long game…
            Out of the three main console competitors it’s the least sound, but also certainly the riskiest.

      • nexxus6

        So are you saying it is ok to sleep with the boss in order to get a promotion? I think its refreshing that Nintendo won’t stoop to play “highest bidder gets exclusive DLC, etc”.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I think you took it out of context. Lol. The reality of the situation is, if Nintendo wants third party bad enough, they’re going to have to dish out cash to get some exclusives from most of them. That’s the way the market is and will continue to be. If Nintendo wants to stick to their predictable strategy, then it’s their own choice. All I’ll say is, they better not complain and nor should their fans if third parties don’t fully support them. They can thank Nintendo for that.

          That’s all there is to it.

          • nexxus6

            I don’t agree with that viewpoint at all. What happened to developing a quality product and letting said product speak for itself? If you came to a pharmacy and only paid $10 for your medication, would it be good business for me to only check a portion of your profile for interactions, but if the next person pays $50 I will check his entire profile?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s an interesting situation, but that seems to be a bit off topic. Lol. I see what you’re trying to say, but I just don’t agree with your viewpoint as well, and I’m okay with that.

      • Nate

        I’ve been thinking this since I got my Wii U last year. Not necessarily taking risks getting third party exclusives, but with their software in general. Nintendo always takes HUGE risks with the hardware (especially the Wii and now the Wii U). It seems like they are only willing to go halfway with the risks they take and never both hardware and software at the same time. I’d love to see an entire new and fresh series from them or one of their partner developers. I’m a sucker for Mario games (and Zelda too) so Super Mario 3D World is my most anticipated game all year, but I’m tired of all the same rehashes. It seems like they ARE just doing what Sony and Microsoft are doing with release after release of games in the same series (called “milking” if anyone else does it, but at least Nintendo only gives us one or two games per series per console generation instead of one every Christmas).

      • Nintenjoe82

        I think if Nintendo tried anything like what Sony and MS are doing it would be an unmitigated disaster but as much as Nintendo fans hate to admit it, Nintendo would benefit from paying for EA to support them properly and they’d also benefit from buying all the Wii U owners a copy of FIFA or Tiger etc. Exposing young Nintendo users to decent sports games might actually convince them to stay with Nintendo rather than abandon them as soon as they hit puberty.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      Yeah, that makes Nintendo just great for us consumers. Not having games is always a good thing for a console…

      • Decker Shado

        Not having a console after 1-2 years because the parent company spent themselves into bankruptcy isn’t so great either.

      • Mipaol80

        Their are already two home consoles and the PC for releasing near identical third party ports on, why should Nintendo try and be the third?

      • Simon Stevens

        Imagine how big the Wii U could have been if only they talked to a few third parties years before launch.

        • Nathan DeFalco

          They did. Remember “unprecedented partnership”?

          But on the other hand, Platinum Games. Nuff said.

          So, they were courting third parties. Third parties are just mad because Nintendo won’t become another dudebro factory.

          • Simon Stevens

            Clearly they didn’t have enough, more should have been done, Iwata should have been in their faces telling 3rd parties why they need to support the system, literally like a door to door sales man, like that ad for the wii lol, he’s not even told consumers why they should want the wii u though either, even when the vita was probably at 9 units sold, I couldn’t get away from the ads, especially during the football, half time champions league, there it was “hey fuck face buy a fucking Vita, we have Nathan Drake and some blonde bitch with a cat, I forget her name, just buy one” and so I did lol.

          • ritzz1

            Not only that incompetent Iwata Also insistet to make the name WII U, toys r us and ALOT of diffrent companys had problems promoteing the console,They even warned Nintendo about this, and they refused to change the Name of the console. ppl are still have problems knowing the diffrence, u know why? BECAUSE there is not a single advertisement of the console. are they braindead HQ japan?. a friend of mine that works at nintendo of america even said he was supprised they still keept the name after so many warnings.

            Nintendo Fails on so many levels its not even funny

          • Simon Stevens

            I’m sure if you tried hard enough you could make the failings funny, like renaming the Wii U, picture this “mario 3d world, coming soon to the Nintendo Please understand” with a funny picture of Iwata’s Mii on the front of the console lol.

            Jokes aside, he’s a good ceo, where it matters at least, to his loyal fanbase and the family audience, it doesn’t really excel much passed that point and that’s what worries me, the Wii U is an okay name if the original Wii or Wii mini aren’t on the market, confusing as hell because it is, I mean come on, at least redesign the shape of the console so it doesn’t look like the Wii.

            I love my Wii U and my son loves it too, they really need to advertise that love and really enrich and enhance the experience people are having already.

          • ritzz1

            Wii u is the only nintendo system that i havent bought because i knew this would happend, ( so did some game developers friends of mine).

            I want show you ALL a letter i sendt to Nintendo of America last year ( 20.03.12)

            Dear Nintendo!

            Im hearing from my sources that the wii u will be close to the current generation, with v42 beeing the latest dev kit. i hope u guys realize what you are doing is suicide. haven’t u guys learned anything from wii??. Nintendo please listen to me, im not an analytist or anything but ive FORESEEN everything since N64 Im just a consumer with friends working at at the top developers studios. WII U needs to be true next gen compatible with the newest unreal engine 4, i relly dont understand what u guys are thinking!?. MANY of the Deveolpers are thinking this but are not dareing to say it.

            The hype around Wii U wont be the same as the “revolutionary” wii, and hardcore consumers will be more aware to Wii brand. Also there has to be a new name for the console people are going to be confused, just as they were and still are with the 3DS. the mananger at ToysRUs store still has hard time letting everyone know that 3DS is the successor to the DS and are concerned the same thing will happend with WII U.

            Nintendo there has to be a plan behind this? if not you guys are to confident and will eventually fail. If wii u is going to have chance in HELL it needs to be TRUE NEXT Gen and a NEW NAME.

            Here is Nintendos Response:

            Hello,

            Thanks for contacting us. I can appreciate your concerns about the Wii U and trying to improve it. I want to explain that as a rule, we do not forward ideas to our developers about games they are working on for a variety of reasons, but I appreciate your taking the time to share your suggestions with us. Rest assured that those who are currently designing and programming the Wii U are among the best in the industry, tasked with creating the most enjoyable gaming experience possible. With the system still under development, It’s surten that they have already thought of the same things you suggested. So my dear Nintendo fan Im sure the Wii U will continue the succsess the Wii had or even better!

            As we get closer to the system’s launch date, you can count on more information being revealed at our website (www.nintendo.com). Stay tuned!

            Sincerely,

            Travis Wild
            Nintendo of America Inc

            OH yea DID i CALL IT TRAVIS WILD ?? lol what joke Nintendo has become.

          • Zuxs13

            Another elitist troll who hasn’t even owned the Wii U so has nothing worthy of saying..

          • Simon Stevens

            lol “surten”

          • gtosheex

            you are lucky someone actually replied to you – that letter was written horribly and made you sound like some video game loser that only cares about video games. Nintendo OBVIOUSLY doesn’t consider you it’s target audience and letters like taht won’t help you become the target audience.

            stupidest thing you said in letter (and there were definitly A LOT)

            “haven’t u guys learned anything from wii??”

            yeah it was one of the best selling systems of all time and “won” the conolse war by a huge margin – so I’m sure they DID learn something

            lol you are an idiot sir

          • ritzz1

            Yes the console did sell but i dont need to tell you what the problem with Wii was do i ?. or are you so Nintendofucked u dont know?

            well even though the letter was written abit poorly, i still had valid points back then, and see where we are now ? Many developers did warn Nintendo about this and still they went ahead.

            I do love Nintendo but i hate How they mess up all the time

          • gtosheex

            every system has it’s problems. obviously wii’s benefits outweighed the problems – maybe you are the one that is so nintendofucked thats why you hate it so much. i just dont get all the hate man – if you dont like it then don’t look at it – go to ps4daily or xboxone daily jesus christ.

          • ritzz1

            The problem here is not that i dont care it is that i do

          • gtosheex

            But they also win on so many levels – you are the one failing if you can’t see that.

          • ritzz1

            Tell me how they win on so many levels they are barely alive with wiiu with alot less sales then even the gamecube at this stage

          • gtosheex

            Well considering the wii, ds, and gameboy are among the top selling systems of all time those are pretty important levels. Also the top 10 most sold games of all time are ALL on on Nintendo (not top grossing* there is a difference). You want to talk about current events? 3ds is dominating all sales. Nintendo also has some of the best selling and well known franchises of all time.

            Like i said they, they do fail on some levels, but their winnings definitely outweigh those fails – thus the said profit they have accumulated through the years.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Third parties will only develop for their console when it makes sense to them. Lol. I think you’re being too harsh on third parties, but I digress.

          • Rinslowe

            True

        • nexxus6

          Nintendo doesn’t need to be fleeced by third parties. The fact that they won’t throw money at them is why many of these third parties won’t put effort into the WiiU. I am sure if Nintendo dropped tons of cash onto the laps of all those nay-sayers, those negative comments about the WiiU would blossom into some of the most glowing reviews of the systems that one could find.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Never should believe everything you read. How do we know Nintendo isn’t at fault for their stubborness? It’s a two way street you know. You know that, right? I think the problem is, that Nintendo wants to be different, but most third parties aren’t interested in them being different, which is why they don’t support them. It’s a matter differences between the two. Are you going to say that third parties are dumb because they aren’t interested in Nintendo’s Gamepad? Or perhaps they don’t see any way their games will work on it?

            Sure, you have Ubisoft who sees potential in it and some others, and that’s fine. If other third parties don’t see the same that the small handful don’t, then I don’t see that as them being too dumb. Lol. It’s a matter of interests, and theirs for the Wii U is pretty much non-existant. As a long time fan, I don’t blame third parties that much because just like any business, each has their own way of going about things. About the only company that I can think that is idiotic, is EA, so I’ll give you that one.

            If Nintendo threw money at them , would they stop being so negative? Perhaps. Money does talk. Though, I doubt that works on everyone. Truth is, without third party support, Nintendo won’t do what the Wii did last generation. Nintendo can’t develop enough games within a 5 year cycle to equate to the Wii’s success.

            Truth be told, if Nintendo’s own games can’t even sell consoles(which none really have), the Wii U will end up with gamecube sales, or possibly worse. I could be wrong, I won’t deny that. Though,at this point in time, I might be right.

          • nexxus6

            I never called any company “dumb” or “idiotic”, so not sure where that is coming from. All I said is that if Nintendo threw more money at third parties, the support and positive comments would be hard to miss.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            ” Are you going to say that third parties are dumb because they aren’t
            interested in Nintendo’s Gamepad? Or perhaps they don’t see any way
            their games will work on it?”

            I never said you did. I asked would you call them dumb if that was the case? Lol.

            I can partially agree that third parties would probably leave positive comments if money was thrown at them. That’s nothing new no matter which industry we’re in. I can imagine it. Though, third parties in most cases won’t develop for a console if the situation doesn’t make sense for them. For most, I feel that is the case, with the exception of EA being bitter over the Origin/Nintendo Network controversy.

          • Simon Stevens

            Nintendo are operating third parties like it’s the 3DS, assuming their just gonna turn up, it may work well for a top selling handheld in a league of it’s own but isn’t nearly as effective on a console that isn’t selling very well right now, the Wii didn’t need to convince anybody to make games for it, the number of sales and popularity did that but when that fails, money talks a nice language.

          • Skelterz

            bald

          • Simon Stevens

            I wouldn’t want them too either, but for games, it wouldn’t of hurt them to have had more exclusives to fill in the gaping holes they left open when they weren’t releasing games for the system, I hope it isn’t going to go the way of the gamecube and only see games a few times a year, that’s my worry, but hey, give me a Dragon Quest and I’ll shut up :)

          • nexxus6

            I agree, the more games the better. However, its unfortunate that the industry seems to be leaning toward the “whoever pays us the most money gets exclusivity” business model. So much for making games for the gamer.

          • Simon Stevens

            I agree with that, I think Nintendo should stay true to Nintendo, I hope they don’t go down that route, I didn’t buy a Wii U for crappy shooters, Nintendo certainly shouldn’t pay for those kind of games either, I just think they should of pulled some top Japanese publishers to one side and said “make us some games that show the world why the Wii U is for the true hardcore”, I’m not a fan of western publishers, it’s all about greed, were as the Japanese publishers are about love and passion for great quality games, I honestly think Sony and MS are the ones who completely ignored the hardcore, yet Nintendo are punished for offering out grea gamingt experiences, for the Wii U to be a success, they really need to get these publishers on board and give them incentive to offer out the kind of exclusives MS and Sony can’t have.

        • greengecko007

          Imagine how big the Wii U could have been if Nintendo hadn’t ignored 3rd parties for the past decade.

          • Simon Stevens

            They had loads on Wii, just ashame the hardware let it down, the ds saw loads too, Wii U should have loads but not until Iwata approaches them first this time round.

    • John Andalora

      You don’t get a big gain without a big risk.
      You also don’t get money for being conservative with your investments.

      • Rinslowe

        Broad sweeping generalisations are terrible here considering last gen is an open book on how that one played out…

        • John Andalora

          Well, then let me specify.
          I think that coming in 3rd is a really bad idea. There are few people who have a next gen console, and most people typically stick to one for about a year or two and then make a decision if they want another. The Wii U needs more to attract the audience size it wants, especially if Iwata plans 9 million by next April. It needs those other games that might risk a big amount of money, because it’s very likely that it will get more people interested in it.

          By the way, Fifa is free on Xbox One in Europe, and COD isn’t free next gen (I don’t think it is. There might be a trade-up thing for $10, but I don’t know).

          • Rinslowe

            I agree in that Wii U needs a steady stream of new titles to build install base. Whatever the competition is doing, is in fact not going to help Nintendo reach that point and third parties overall will remain in a holding pattern until it makes sense to invest in the platform.
            Only first party exclusives are going to effectively drive that change.

            Making timed exclusive content or financing titles to whatever degree will not help the current situation.
            Trading up is a nice touch by both MS and Sony. But does not apply to Wii U due to no specified titles being developed for the Wii.

          • John Andalora

            And what if those exclusives don’t work? What if it’s just like the sales of most games on the Wii U thus far?

            I don’t think that Nintendo needs to have timed exclusive content, but I think that they should certainly cover all bases rather than just leaning on the first party titles (that have so far only made a light splash rather than a wave and that have no certainty for success considering how they coincide with brand new consoles coming out.).

            Here’s something I looked up because I was curious for myself.

            US Pre-orders (from Nov. 2) thus far:

            Super Mario 3D World: 49,612.

            A fair number, rather good set for US. In fact, that’s the best Wii U title for pre-orders so far. Now, let’s compare it to other titles coming up or just releasing.

            Knack (PS4): 72,341

            Dead Rising 3 (XBO)100,694

            Assassin’s Creed 4(XBO): 156,860

            Killzone: Shadowfall (PS4): 283,284

            COD: Ghosts (X360): 957,388

            http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders/41581/USA/

            I have a rather unfortunate feeling that the Wii U exclusives will be swept up in the new game frenzy from both other consoles and COD. I think that the game will do well in comparison to the other games on its platform, but I have a feeling that if Wii U doesn’t advertise more, it will be caught under the current of the two other console releases.

          • gtosheex

            Not saying that i disagree with you at all, but to be fair though – if i’m not mistaken some those games (especially COD) have all these preorder specials and launch nights people go to. So I don’t think pre-orders are a good way to measure a game/system’s success to another’s.

          • John Andalora

            I used pre-orders because that’s the amount of people that we know are purchasing said game Day One. Of course, this doesn’t represent everyone who will purchase the game, but I think that the number of pre-orders does give some standard for how many people want the game.
            GTAV had over 2 million pre-orders on Xbox 360 alone.

          • Rinslowe

            I agree in terms of conventional advertising. Not the rest, as mentioned already for reasons already stated.
            What if first party titles do not work? Well that would be bad for Nintendo, however lets not pretend as though “covering all bases” as you put it will change anything should their first party titles fail to move systems. If that doesn’t work… A free FIFA title sure as hell wont, lol.

            Personally I believe their first party content will follow through based on historical evidence.

            Those no’s you provided for next gen pre-orders are something but nothing of note ultimately as the Wii U is not a launch system now. It shows what people want to play on their new consoles and is every bit connected to that, but doesn’t imply how well the games will do outside of the intitial launch (better to make a ratio comparison of system pre-orders of the games above to figure out the attach rate) and also does not imply how SM3DW will do as a system seller going into the holiday season post pre-order sales…

            EDIT:
            “(that have so far only made a light splash rather than a wave and that have no certainty for success considering how they coincide with brand new consoles coming out.).”
            This is misleading, as the titles so far have been only secondary performers not system sellers.
            If you look at the stats from the first two quarters as I know you are familiar with them, then it is hard to agree with the above statement as it is relative. Pikmin 3 and W101 practically single-handedly increased Q3 sales by an 87% increase over Q2. In the few weeks WW HD has been on the market (less than 1 week of which is represented in Q3 sales figures) it has increased Wii U unit sales by 86% of Q3 overall in a third of the time.
            I have mentioned these stats before, but this is the more important information IMO…
            Start from real values and work up, otherwise it’s just as bad as hardcore Ninty fanboys expecting Wii U to sell 10m units by years end. Both unfair and unlikely…

          • John Andalora

            You know why I don’t use percentages?
            Because 100% of 0 is still 0.

            That being said, Wii U sales have been pretty bad, and while sales have increased at a decent rate, that doesn’t mean that the sales should be considered “good.” This quarter sold 320,000 units. That’s better than last year, but still not great.

            Also, W101 didn’t move units. It barely sold 70,000 copies worldwide. Pikmin 3 could be more attributed to helping, but I think the cause was a reduced price and WWHD.

            My concerns with the first party games right now is that they don’t distinguish themselves from things we’ve already played in the past. It’s just some of the same things from past consoles or handhelds. There’s nothing powerful yet that has captivated a bunch of people in the idea that “Yes, this is a really good console with a ton of games that I will play for a long time.” And I think that because people are so interested in the new consoles that the 1st party Nintendo games will be pushed further aside without additional help or advertising.

            If I remember correctly, many people were proclaiming that this was the holiday where Nintendo was going to turn it all around. People were shouting that they were going to release so many great games and come back stronger than ever.
            But, without some kind of risk of push to get more games for more people, I’m concerned that they’ll just move to the other consoles that have more games.

          • Rinslowe

            “You know why I don’t use percentages?Because 100% of 0 is still 0.”
            That clearly does not apply here… In fact it makes little sense to even mention such a statement, lol.
            320,000 is the base figure representing Q3 sales, those percentages you’re discarding are based on that figure, therefore it shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to change those percentages into real world no’s. If we were discussing forecasts, you would have a point. But we are not.

            “This quarter sold 320,000 units. That’s better than last year, but still not great.”
            It was last quarter and simply put too early to say whether good or bad. If the trend continues as first party titles are released, then it is good. If they don’t continue, then it is bad…

            “Also, W101 didn’t move units. It barely sold 70,000 copies worldwide. Pikmin 3 could be more attributed to helping, but I think the cause was a reduced price and WWHD.”
            As I mentioned, WWHD contributed to less than 7 days of Q3 sales…
            I never said in what proportion did W101 contribute to Wii U unit sales. The 70,000 software sales figure has been the same for some time. Not to refute the comment exactly, but do you have a date on the VG chartz site?

            Cheers John, :)

          • John Andalora

            Maybe I should clear it up.

            1) I don’t like percentages because they can make anything look good. If you say “Oh, well Wii U sales were 85% better than last quarter!” that sounds good. However, when Quarter 1 only sold 160,000 units and the next quarter sold 320,000, it’s shown in a much clearer light. Percentages are misleading. Numbers are not.

            2) Quarter 1 sold 160,000 units worldwide. The last quarter we saw that ended sold 320,000. The trend is going up, but Nintendo is still reporting a loss on the Wii U.

            http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0110010KYO8D

            That’s bad.

            Now, I know that the trend is getting better, but “better” and “good” are not the same thing.

            3) I’m not disagreeing with you that WWHD helped increase sales. How’d you get WWHD from W101?

            Also, you did say in what proportion. You said that “Pikmin 3 and W101 practically single-handedly increased Q3 sales by an 87% increase over Q2.”

            That’s not some small estimate. That’s apparently a big deal.

            As for Wonderful 101, here’s what we got.

            http://www.vgchartz.com/game/72209/the-wonderful-101/Global/

          • Rinslowe

            I specifically said neither good nor bad at this point, I’m sure you’ll find that so I won’t bother writing yet another post in detail.

            I did not say in what proportion, I mentioned both games not just W101…

            As I mentioned VG chartz, we obviously had access to the same site. I asked for the date, not the link to the site I referenced.

          • John Andalora

            W101 had dates up to Oct. 26.

            You don’t like it, that’s not my fault.

            Also, I AGREED with you on Pikmin 3 and WWHD. I never said you were wrong on that.

          • Rinslowe

            Sorry mate I missed the part where it confirmed up to what date…
            (I now see it there at the top)

            In that case, not that I ever argued the point. But Pikmin 3 absolutely had more to do with sales than W101…. :)

          • John Andalora

            I agree. Pikmin 3 did have a dent in sales and got some people out to get the console.
            Glad we can finally agree on something.
            =)

          • Rinslowe

            Lol, perhaps so…

      • darkcreap

        I agree with you in that Nintendo is being overly conservative, but risking too much can also be irresponsible. Comparing for instance Sony’s and Nintendo’s financial position, it is clear that Nintendo’s financial situation is way better. In case they face failure, one of them is better prepared to face the investments necessary to survive. Sony has sold hardware at a loss and, correct me if I am wrong, has paid money to third parties to get exclusives in the past.

        In one thing they have had to change: they are selling 3DS and WiiU at a loss, which is basically what they had been avoiding for very long. Probably, they will have to do the same at some point with third parties.

        It seems that Iwata’s fear is that, should they just do that, they would enter in a dynamic in which they have to pay all third parties to have multiplatform titles, not only exclusives. I personally think that this is neither good nor convenient. If the third party has a possibility of making money, they should take the risk themselves. If they do not, it is probably better that the game is not there. Constantly subsidising unprofitable projects can take you out of the market.

        Except, maybe, for key titles. In certain cases I think it is reasonable to give money to third parties in a limited fashion to help the library a little bit. At least in the early moments of the cycle. Further than that, it should be up to the third party to see if there is bussiness drive or not. The hardware vendor is already taking a high risk by developing a platform and even selling it at a loss to trust software sales (which are not sure, due to games bombing or simply piracy).

        Nevertheless, it is clear that Nintendo will have to take a more risky approach at the beginning of the WiiU’s life. Should they just have done that in the early moments, the console would be in a much better position.

        • John Andalora

          I agree with you for the most part.
          But here’s the issue: Thus far every company that’s made games for the Wii U has been met with “failure” or sold “well below expectations”, most games selling less than a quarter million copies. Only 7 games of the 60+ have so far made it past a quarter million, 2 of them making it past 2 million (NintendoLand and NSMBU). Most other games on top of the list are Nintendo Games and ZombiU.
          So the third party doesn’t feel that they have any justifiable reason to make a game for this console, because it will be met with a loss of profit.

          That’s the problem. Nintendo says that they don’t want to take a risk by paying for exclusives, but as we’re seeing right now this is translating to third party doesn’t want to take a risk with Nintendo. And that’s bad.
          Third Party will give the same conservative treatment right back that Nintendo gives them. They won’t just make games of exclusives because they want to.
          I think how Nintendo is trying to push for indies is a good idea. Giving them more leway and working with them on reducing the cost to develop for the Wii U is a good way of going about it. However, if they don’t do something with third party and get more games for the Wii U, I have rather heavy concerns that this will translate to a failure.

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            you forget something: incomplete games.

          • John Andalora

            Do you mean incomplete is in “They didn’t add multiplayer” or “They didn’t finish the game.” ?

      • Nintenjoe82

        That’s not 100% true, especially in the case of Nintendo. They made their products technically inferior to be less risky for them and it has paid off in an unprecedented manner. You could argue that not making as big an investment is a risk in itself but they’ve gained more financially by taking less risk financially in recent years.

        • John Andalora

          I can agree that their products were not technically superior, and that Nintendo didn’t need them to be. However, I do not agree that this meant they were less risky.

          First off, most of their consoles did go to a rather shining edge of graphical power for a while. Their only console that could be considered “technically inferior” was the Wii. The rest were made to be powerful for the time period they came out.

          But, even then…

          Don’t you think that integrating an entirely new controller that thrived on the premise of moving it around in your hand was risky? Don’t you think that integrating a sensor bar to point at the screen wasn’t risky? Don’t you think that making a weaker console is a risk? Most people could’ve just said “This isn’t as good as the other consoles” or “I don’t want to waggle a controller side to side” and just ignored it. Nintendo had a decent base with regular controllers with consoles like 64 and GameCube. Isn’t thinking outside the box and giving people the Wii a major risk altogether? They could’ve lost a lot if people didn’t pick it up.

          But the Wii U doesn’t have that same risk. Most of the things about it (to those who don’t know) seem far too similar to the old one. It’s not risky enough. It’s not different enough. And therefore, this conservative manner by which Nintendo is going isn’t helping their current console.

          • Nintenjoe82

            Yep I think it’s risky but making a new controller (which they do for every console) for a slightly improved gamecube was less of a risk than making a console capable of HD output in 2006. Had the Wii completely failed they would have been in an ok position compared to where they were during the N64 and GC’s worst years.

  • TheKingJoseph

    Batman Arkham originis flopped on the wii u. 500k for both ps3&360 each, and only an awful,embarassing 35k on the wii u. seems like the wii u just lost wb for support. RIP wii u

    • SamusPrime

      The raw numbers don’t look great but a higher % of WiiU owners bought this game then they did on both the PS3 and the XBox 360.

    • YogiGRB

      the game isn’t even in stores or Eshop out here in europe yet for the WiiU but already on the Ps360, it comes the same day as the play4 and XB-one version which makes me believe they treat it as next gen. so your point being ????

    • SomeFluffer64

      As long as it makes a profit, then it’s safe. Digital sales aren’t counted either, and I read somewhere that porting a game to Wii U isn’t expensive.

      • John Andalora

        Hasn’t made a profit yet.
        What’s keeping Nintendo in the black is the 3DS. If it was just Wii U, they’d be pretty far in the red.

        • Rinslowe

          ” pretty far in the red.”

          Subjective…

          Projected or forecast losses are not the same thing as real world financial deficits. Although there is a time and place for such things, like investor/ sales/ marketing & PR meetings…

          So what is keeping Nintendo in the black actually is their rather sizable net capital.
          While 3DS is an active source of new revenue, ensuring that net capital is maintained and grown.
          Wii U is not sold at a big loss, implying so would be false information.

          • John Andalora

            Okay.

            How about what happened in one of the earlier quarters, where Nintendo got a net return because of the 3DS?

            http://www.destructoid.com/the-wii-u-is-doing-really-bad-3ds-is-doing-great-259083.phtml

            You honestly think that Nintendo would’ve done well if it was just Wii U?
            You crazy.

          • Michael Ocampo

            He’s not saying that they’d be doing well, John. He’s saying that they wouldn’t be that far in the red as you said previously.

          • Rinslowe

            Thank you, that is exactly the point I was making and the statement of which I was replying…

          • John Andalora

            maybe “pretty far in the red” wasn’t the best statement.

            How about “They’d be in the red and it would hurt them?”

            Is that better?

          • Rinslowe

            Condescending statement, clearly…

          • John Andalora

            Well if we’re going to argue the technicalities of “pretty far,” then I guess all bets are off.

          • Rinslowe

            There were bets?

          • John Andalora

            I suppose now we’re going to be discussing in great detail the concept of “a turn of phrase,” get nowhere with each other because you split hairs and I don’t focus on what is apparently the main argument, causing nothing but grief.

            I’ll just stop it right here.

            Let’s stop arguing about this, since “pretty far” is subjective and up to personal interpretation.

          • Rinslowe

            I believe I made an acceptable mention of the 3DS in the previous post. And that net return which I was aware of is exactly to my point.
            But doesn’t make this statement any less incorrect;

            “What’s keeping Nintendo in the black is the 3DS.”

            - I believe that was suitably addressed as well…

            “You honestly think that Nintendo would’ve done well if it was just Wii U?
            You crazy.”

            That’s not actually what I said…
            And most people probably would’ve seen that. Also nice little personal comment thrown in there at the end, all class…

          • John Andalora

            That’s me.
            All class with some sass.

            Anywho,

            “Wii U is not being sold at a big loss.”

            Well, it is still being sold at a loss, and even then when they have been making more than they can sell, they’re only losing more. Considering that the Wii U has had a price cut after it was still selling at a loss only hurts a little more, and that money adds up.

            In fact, Nintendo has made statements that the Wii U is selling at a loss. Perhaps you mean a different kind of loss like “not selling well” loss, but it’s currently both. It’s not selling very well, and it’s not helping Nintendo like it could be.

          • Rinslowe

            I wonder if you haven’t jumped the gun a little here…

            I never refuted Wii U was selling at a loss or that any losses would add up over time. And I don’t mean anything except correcting your statement…

            “What’s keeping Nintendo in the black is the 3DS. If it was just Wii U, they’d be pretty far in the red.”

            However to say that you know how much accumulated losses will be made would be another incorrect statement… If the upward trend continues then it would be logical to assume any losses would become more manageable as sales improve, until breaking even and turning a profit. You seem to be operating under the assumption Wii U sales are static. As bad as they have been, it’s nowhere near that stage yet.

            Btw, weren’t we having previous discussions over a Wii Party U thread? Who would have guessed a weekly 38,000+ unit sales would have been spurred on by such a title in one country. Will be interesting to follow that one…
            Regardless of what some may think of the game. Our individual opinions aren’t always the best anchors for judging success…
            ;P

            Ultimately though, I would appreciate if you looked at your original post and my original reply so that there are no further misunderstandings on the actual topic.
            One thing that is rather annoying with what you do is take entire sentences out of context, due to not understanding the message directed to you in the first place or by not clearly reading it to begin with…

          • John Andalora

            You state that I’m jumping the gun, but then reply about “projected forecast sales” and “positive upward trends.”

            My original statement is that the 3DS is earning the profit, and the Wii U is losing them money.

            Nintendo reported an $81 million dollar loss on the Wii U this last quarter.

            http://www.cio-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0110010KYO8D

            (I know you already saw this article, but it’s important to show the point I’m trying to make.)

            That’s a pretty sizable chunk of change there.

            Perhaps Nintendo has a lot of money and can just shrug that off as nothing, but I do think that for them not trying to do what other people do, it certainly isn’t paying off.

            Yeah, perhaps over time if sales improve then we’ll see a more manageable loss, but the facts are that the damn thing is currently selling on loss in both costing Nintendo more to make it than to sell it, and on overproduction costing them more money than they’re making back.
            I’m not operating on the idea that Wii U sales are static. I’m operating on the idea that the Wii U is not selling well, and right now no matter the percentages more they’re selling or the positive upswing, it’s still not selling well.

            EDIT: I am interested in seeing how the Wii U does with Wii Party U. So far it’s been pretty good. I’ll keep my ear to the ground.
            BTW, I don’t want “Wii U isn’t selling well” to translate into “I hate the Wii U, it’s going to die.” I want this to work. I’m just concerned because of the loss of profit that has been occurring throughout these past quarters.

          • John Andalora

            I can’t reply to your other comment because it’s “under moderation.”

            So I’ll comment here.

            I’m sorry, I’m just tired of this. I don’t care enough to argue this.

            I don’t care to argue about how two quarters worth of poor sales can possibly be seeing an up swing by what happens in 7 days of sales. I think the comparison is just dumb.

            I don’t care about them “actually feeling a loss.” It’s still a loss. You can split hairs all you want, but the bottom line is they ARE LOSING MONEY.

            I don’t care how many times you say Wii U sales are on an upward trend. I haven’t disagreed with you, and yet you continue to try and use that as a counter-argument. Sales are getting better.

            But they still suck.

            I’ll just save you the trouble of telling me what’s wrong with my reply, because I won’t be responding again to this.

            Because I’m tired of arguing technicalities and splitting hairs over simple facts and figures.

    • Andreas Sunde

      The Wii U version is also gimped (although that is arguably a good thing, the multiplayer is apparently shit).

    • Simon Stevens

      yeah because xbox and playstation both have a 4 million install base too, right?

  • Adrian Collins

    Sometimes…..I question the decisions this man has made…and it makes my head hurts……and then it times like this, that appease the Nintendo fan within me and makes me smile

  • Adam Porter

    well i guess he isn’t following others, atleast they are successful

    • oontz

      zing

  • bizzy gie

    We you needs that 3rd party support.

  • The Clockwork Being

    Well that is a good way to look at it. And I encourage that way of thinking. I mean lets look at the situations. The big 3rd party devs have dropped out and screwed Nintendo over in lackluster ways.

    EA announces a great parternship yet takes the Wii U owners for idiots by selling them gimped ports. Why keep a partner like that.

    Then there is Ubisoft. Nintendo`s supposedly huge supporter. Although all of their great games are on Wii U they have some problems. Splinter Cells looks great on Wii U but lacks features. Ignoring the Wii U during E3. And not releasing an important launch games.(Ghost Recon U)

    But on the other hand Nintendo has a few faults and have to help 3rd party sell on their console. When innovative new I.P that uses the Wii U`s features fully only sell 100,000(W101) in its home country. Does that make any 3rd party want to make games for your console. If games like Bayonnetta, Sonic and some other exclusives or important games from 2nd party and 3rd party fail how does that make the Wii U look.

    Of course there is damage control by huge companies like EA but some 3rd companies that are optimistic about working with Nintendo but don`t get the results they want then this is part of Nintendo`s fault. There is no denying it.

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    I can respect what Iwata is saying here, but he knows that his approach towards third parties isn’t working. If he wants third party support for the Wii U from most of third parties, you’re gonna have to bend backwards once in a while to get it.

    You can still be different and make a console that satisfies both parties. Nintendo should’ve really thought about that before designing their console for their games only and expecting third parties to deal with it. This is what the result comes out to. Live and learn, Iwata. At this point, only way they’ll get third parties is when they sell more Wii U’s, which might be tough for them this holiday season. We’ll see how that turns out. Coming from a long time Nintendo fan, I wish them the best.

    • SomeFluffer64

      I wish Nintendo would talk with Valve about getting Valve games onto Wii U. I’ve dreamed of it since Valve said that it was interested in the system back in 2011…

      • John Andalora

        Not with their own SteamBox coming out soon.
        They’ll need to keep people on Steam to make sure they get one.

        • Andreas Sunde

          I don’t expect the SteamBox to sell well. I do, however, expect SteamOS to be massive, if it gives performance benefits. Especially since it’s free.
          Integrating the SteamOS streaming capabilities in the Wii U OS would be amazing, though.

          • TheAquacharger

            I don’t expect the SteamOS to pick up unless they add in a lot of support. There’s no file browsing, media device, etc. All it can do is load steam and play games.

          • Andreas Sunde

            Most PC gamers know how to dualboot, or at least how to google the instructions. And there are a lot of PC gamers.

          • TheAquacharger

            Yeah, I am a PC gamer. I have been one since ’99. But it’s still hard to sell people, other then raving fanboys, on a OS that can’t do much and locks you out of the linux terminal. Just to gain a small potential FPS boost if the hardware you have is even properly supported.

          • Arthur Jarret

            You’re right – it won’t detract from windows at all – they’re forcing us to dual boot.

            I think steam developers will be able to easily capitalize on that by programming a steam file explorer, steam wordpad, steam spreadsheet, steam browser and steam command prompt for that.

          • Arthur Jarret

            That’s kind of the point, isn’t it? Offer the same simplified pick up ‘n play mentality on a PC as the consoles had enjoyed until the previous (or almost previous) gen – and ensure a light game-focused OS that doesn’t require a lot of background resources and can maximize the capability of your system.

          • TheAquacharger

            It’s also Valve trying to compete against Windows 8. Gabe N hates Win 8 and this is supposed to be one of the major competitors against Win 8. How can it compete against Win 8 when it is more closed off then Win 8 and much less features.

          • Arthur Jarret

            It’s game-focused. For hardcore gamers it’ll be the system of choice while gaming. We’ve got tablets for multimedia nowadays and google docs provides an easy & free replacement for any office tools windows used to offer at a nominal fee.

            I’ve been a Linux / Windows dual booter for years – but that’s because I dabble in 3D design and using Linux on minimal resources reduces my rendering time by days.

            Unfortunately, the result still looks like total crap (I’m not very good at it, lol)

          • TheAquacharger

            It’s game focused and it’s intent is to try and take some of the OS market from MS which it can’t do when it even locks out the basic Linux terminal.

          • John Andalora

            I’m not sure how SteamBox will sell.
            However, I don’t think they’ll be giving their games to other consoles. Need to keep them to get people into Steam.

        • Arthur Jarret

          Wasn’t steam box simply a pc you can make yourself, and the steam O/S what makes your PC into a steambox? From what I’ve read, valve has no intention of selling steambox as a console outside of the current alpha test units. Therefore, console ports are still a viable option when it comes to valve games.

          • TheAquacharger

            No Steambox is a small pc set up like a game console. Valve does plan to sell Steamboxes, however they will not manufacture them. Various companies like Moterolla, Samsung, etc will make and sell them.

          • Arthur Jarret

            Oh really?
            Hm, haven’t read anything about it in weeks… so I could be wrong. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/10/05/steam-box-specs-revealed/ <— this is what I read -
            and I took away the notion I had to build it myself. As I should.

            It's a right of passage for any PC user to get home in the morning with a bag full of parts and build a PC like lego – spend a day setting it up and fiddle with your settings and getting ready to play your first game at 2AM that night, which you'll play until the afternoon of the following day or until the neighbours complain.

            I kinda missed the point about the custom enclosure and third parties selling readily-made steamboxes similar to the closed beta's various specs…

          • TheAquacharger

            You can build your own comp and install the SteamOS if you wish or you could buy the steambox which is a pre-built computer ranging in different specs and prices (yay fragmented markets that don’t help the PC market at all like the steambox was supposed to do) and comes with a controller and the steam OS pre-installed.

          • Arthur Jarret

            Competition is good for us consumers though… I’m hoping for a steam OS pricewar! But I will likely just build a high-end steambox myself – partly from my current pc’s parts and try to make it smaller, quieter, semi-transparent and using lots of LEDs.

            Then again – I actually won’t use it much as I prefer to own retail console games (they seem more valuable and value-retaining to me… and my insurance policy agrees on that notion) – so I might as well make it a low-end indie-box.

          • TheAquacharger

            I doubt it. Look at the Laptop or tablet space. There’s no real price war going on there.

          • Arthur Jarret

            In the lower-end of both market segments there is (the low-spec models all use the exact same china-developed chipset, mainboard and even casing – so the only difference from their competition is price), but in the higher end there isn’t.

            Even now, the proposed specs of a steambox unit are in the mid-range… so I’m not sure if it will be able to avoid price slashing once certain parts they’ll have in common can be mass-produced on such a scale the build costs drop.

            It also depends on the popularity of the platform in the first place, of course.

          • John Andalora

            For some reason, we can edit other peoples replies…
            Weird.

            Anywho, you can make the SteamBox yourself, but it’s not quite the same as a PC. They intend to sell it for those who want it, but will tell people how to make it if they so desire. That’s why they have alphas at all. To test which boxes they should keep and sell and which ones go in the trash.

            Which makes me glad, because I’ll honestly state that I would not be able to make one from scratch.

      • Zuxs13

        All valve cares about it Huge specs and crazy graphics. They barely put out games on PS360 because of their weakness compared to PC.

    • nin-10-doughfan

      sure!

    • Zuxs13

      It kinda sounded like to me that they want third party support, they just dont want crap cookie cutter third party support. Hence they dont care about EA. lol

  • SomeFluffer64

    I’ll bet Watch Dogs will perform better on Wii U since it’s no longer competing with Super Mario 3D World (AKA the game that every Wii U owner and buyer is hoping to get this Christmas)

    • TheAquacharger

      I was going to buy Watch dogs but after the delay I switchd to SM3DW for my pre-order. I just wanted something to play around the holidays.

  • Is_Mort

    What relationship? LOL

  • Jon Lazin

    I agree with the statement that you don’t want to blindly follow what others are doing, but you also don’t want to avoid what companies are doing just to be different- I believe this is equally as bad.

    I feel like this is a bad choice. Exclusives are a very big part of what sells consoles (not everything, but a large chunk of the pie). I don’t believe Nintendo makes much of a profit off of cross-platform games as the quality is usually on par with or lower than that of other consoles. The question becomes thus- which is the bigger number: the number of people who use a Wii U for cross platform games because they like the second screen or the number of people who don’t use the Wii U for cross platform games because they prefer online multiplayer or just having a friends list. If more people aren’t using the Wii U for cross platform (which was the case for the Wii, which did not have the allure of the second screen) then I think it would be in Nintendo’s best interest to gain some exclusives.

    I only played my Wii for exclusives, which meant that towards the end of its life cycle I was playing MAYBE one or two games on it a year. I think the Wii and Wii U are different enough to give the Wii U an edge when it comes to cross-platform, but I don’t believe it’s enough of an edge to trump other consoles.

  • Barters

    Crap. If Nintendo got half decent 3rd party support it doesn’t mean they’re first party games are going to be any less good etc.

    If they had decent 3rd party support, the Wii U wouldn’t be my last Nintendo console. I’ve no interest in owning all the consoles, I just want one. One and not be in a situation where I only get to play one or two decent games a year.

    As a Nintendo investor I know that Iwata is under extreme pressure as many, I included want to see the back of him. His philosophy of focusing on 1st party titles worked in years past due to the ability to turn out games a lot more quickly. Today Nintendo can’t do that, so they need to fill the void with what their customer wants and has been asking for.

  • Mj78

    The third party games such as most wanted, Rayman legends etc just haven’t sold. I hear nintendo And fans asking for more third party titles like zombie u but then no one buys them! The relationship is irrelevant. Nintendo needs to sell systems and other than the 3ds they are simply failing.

    • Zuxs13

      Rayman Legends was a bad example. Since it sold more on the Wii U than the other consoles combined

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Not by much, however. The game basically flopped on all ends.

  • Noah

    That spirit is what makes Nintendo great. They won’t always make the right decisions, but will always have the right spirit. It’s all about the fun.

  • Mj78

    I think iwata has had too much spirits at the bar recently. Every time he speaks, he sounds more and more desperate.

  • CaesarGood

    They say the same thing everytime in every way possible, nothing changes little progression forawrd…

  • AlienFanatic

    You have to wonder what Nintendo would have to do, though, to entice companies like Rockstar to make their games for the system. While I think that investing in games like Titanfall may or may not be a good idea (look at how much red ink Microsoft has spilled on the system over the past sever years), you have to wonder how they get the truly massive, AAA titles like GTA 5 onto the platform.

    Hard to argue against Nintendo’s strategy, as they remain a very profitable company, but they are really in a bad way when it comes to 3rd party support right now. Perhaps the key, as has been said ad nauseum, is to grow the platform until the user base is large enough that no self-respecting 3rd party would ignore it. Then again, looking at the Wii it had an absolutely massive install base and EA and others still refused to bring anything but the crappiest ports to the system.

    Nintendo is really navigating a razor-thing path between profitability and loss.

    • ritzz1

      and you do know why because SOFTware didnt sell on the Wii, thx to last gen hardware.

  • John Andalora

    Nintendo, there’s a difference between “following what other people are doing” and “giving people a reason to do anything for you.”

    Following what other people are doing is what would happen if you keep making sequel after sequel with few original changes, or keep making the same kind of games without thinking outside the box and examining or exploring new possibilities. That would be if you made a Call of Duty or GTA clone expecting people to love it immediately.

    Giving people a reason to do anything for you is when you offer an incentive to increase the possibilities your console could have with more and more developers working on it. Let’s face it Nintendo, you can make good games, but you can’t sustain a console on its own. Getting more people to make games for your console so it can sell is not something you can do by just throwing out the console and expecting everyone to work on it. Sure, you have people like Ubisoft who make exclusives, but then you have people like Ubisoft, who take away exclusives and make it multiplatform in order to boost the possibility of their own sales.

    Offering something to get people to make games for you isn’t “following what other people are doing.” If you want more sales and more 3rd party people coming like you’ve said you do, you need to scratch their backs too.

    Quid pro quo, Mr. Iwata. Quid pro quo.

  • Mario

    Aahhh… If only people were like that these days.

  • CEObrainz

    While this is good, Nintendo do need to up their game and talk to more third party developers. It’s sad to still hear about games that are coming out on Xbone and PS4 but not Wii U, when this console should still get the games even if they are 720p and upscaled.

  • Ace

    This is perhaps the most sensible comment I’ve heard from Iwata in awhile. I agree with alot of what he’s saying. but at the same time, to me anyway, it just seems like a kid in Toys’r’us saying *Oh! I want this and that and this and that!* Instead of just simply telling us that he wants to basically rectify third party support, he (or some PR.) should be approaching these third party publishers and come to some kind of conclusion. Now, I’m not saying pay a crap-ton of money for exclusives, but mabye cut the royality fees or whatever.

    • Mj78

      If the system has a user base and third parties can see nintendo giving reasons to produce games for the Wii u, then it will happen, but the Wii u has a small user base, third party games so far have been good but no one bought them, and nintendo are not showing what the system can do. Iwata can be as nice as he likes to third parties, but need for speed most wanted, zombi u, Rayman legends, all show that third party games do not sell on wii u.

      • TheAquacharger

        Considering ZombiU sold 500k that’s good and that Rayman Legends sold the most on the Wii U (even beating the PC, 360, and PS3 numbers combined) also good. The problem is they were expecting 1mil which is often hard for a single platform game to do for ZombiU. Rayman Legends was just an all around flop that sold better on the Wii U.

        • Mj78

          Wii u is an all round flop!

          • Justagamer

            Facepalm! …:)

          • Justagamer

            You’re trolling sucks…Just saying

          • Mj78

            As I have said before on this site, trolling is something that is vile and can destroy lives, and what I have said about wii u is simply an opinion that will not kill anyone or affect Nintendo. You people use the word trolling but should understand what it actually means before using it in future.

          • Justagamer

            People hahahaha son coming here on a nintendo page saying wii u is a flop is trolling guy if you don’t like Wii U than go comment on a ps4 daily or xbox daily. Im a gamer guy and have been long before most on this site
            Oh and i returned the thumbs down…Have a nice day

  • Arthur Jarret

    I partly agree… sometimes it’s not a sound business move to try to reinvent the wheel. It’s a great thing to innovate – it’s a better thing to bring those innovations within an environment that both third parties and consumers are familiar with.

    It’s like my full flash site ( http://www.vivazapatero.nl , by the way) – I tried so hard to reinvent the way a website should work – made a full database integration with flash so I could dynamically load content, combined a bunch of commonly used actionscript and applied it in new ways (well, new back when I made it), that I spent all my time on innovation and was left with an incomplete, single language site that despite dynamically loaded content is a hassle to update.

    In the same time, I could have had a standard, easy to read website with full content and multiple languages that I could edit like a text document at any time.

    Also: I want bluray playback on my gamepad, dammit!

  • starwars360

    That is good. At least we knew and we can trust him as always. EA, Activision, Microsoft and some other publishers need to take his note. He tell truth and developers will be much improves upon their future!!! :)

  • leo

    i just want more commercials for wiiu :(

  • Simon Stevens

    I love Iwata, he has a lot of respect from me as a man who has been in the game for so long but he really should be exploiting some third parties right now, There’s a lot of third parties who are struggling at the moment, not saying they should pay outta their ears for exclusives as Nintendo have plenty of that on a first party level but a Dragon Quest game wouldn’t go a miss, heck, press Capcom and throw money at them for an exclusive Devil may cry and Viewtiful Joe, he has a good stance on things but there is no harm in exploring other possibilities outside of Nintendo

  • ritzz1

    Iwata is all talk and does NOTHING about anything ( atleast things Go awesomely slow at nintendo), What can he offer? a last gen console ? its so fucking sad that they do not ever do anything 100% if they just dared to put som horsepower in to WII back then it would OWN any console now. Then that retarded Iwata did the same Mistake again to WII U is unbeliveable, makes me so angry

    • Zuxs13

      Cool story bro.

  • Rinslowe

    Nintendo just needs to focus on their first party exclusives first off. Build the install base and keep the momentum going. Third parties will come around to the platform if there are enough people owning them. It’s not like there are really any other reasons why third parties aren’t invested, unless you believe the conspiracy theories. But money talks and a +critical mass install base is potential for making money…

    EA may be the only third party that has it’s nose out of joint with the big N over lost opportunity. The rest are just waiting for the right opportunity.
    Ubisoft have been quite outstanding IMO with their support of titles on the Wii U, with the exception of delaying Rayman…

  • Dez

    I don’t understand why people are so stupid and blame everything on the CEO anyhow. Sure, Iwata has a lot of sway, but he doesn’t make all the decisions by himself, there are plenty of individuals behind the scenes not taking the heat for screw-ups, as the face of Nintendo, Iwata just gets the most shit. Anyhow, I like his attitude, but I hate the Wii Mini crap as well. They just need to take the Wii and all its peripherals and be rid of them already, they are only complicating the future of the Wii U in hopes of preventing any more losses for the company in the short term. I hope Nintendo really shows improvement moving forward.

    • Rinslowe

      Anyone that thinks the guy who ran Nintendo through the Wii, DS and now the 3DS should step down, needs their heads read…

      It’s really that simple.

      If the Wii U takes off and continues it’s rise in sales through to this time next year. Iwata will receive all the accolades he deserves as a gutsy risk taker. If it fails, he has some answering to do, but like you say and even so… This does not make it one mans failure. He will need to take responsibility however, but this is not the same thing.

  • Hipster Victor

    Iwata is a great guy nuff said. He can get abit ignorant at times, and may have made a few mistakes. He still have the spirit of a true leader. Thats why Yamauchi chose him to succeed in the first place, and he’ll learn from his mistakes, and the Wii U with thousands of Dollars in advertisements, will finally shine.

  • farrellbr

    I agree AC4 Black Flag is a great game on the wiiu thank you ubisoft

  • NYGFAN7

    It’s wierd to me that so many people cite Nintendo’s relationship with Ubisoft as a solid one. Look at how they(Ubisoft) handled Rayman Legends. They screwed Nintendo how is that solid? They delayed the game just so they could put it on every platform at once , for that reason I refuse to even think of buying that game. And you watch what Ubisoft does If they feel AC4 doesn’t do as well as they think it should. I wouldn’t be suprised if we never see another Ubisoft game on Wii U if that happens. And don’t even get me started on EA and quietly 2K sports I don’t believe has given Wii U one game to even see how it goes.

    • Zuxs13

      You know i was mad at Ubisoft at delaying the game as well, but i got over it. And i realized not buying it was stupid, because it doesn’t show that they were wrong. With the wii u version selling more than both the PS3 and 360 version combined this shows them that the wii u was the way to go, and had the margin been even greater, especially with the abysmal sales on the ps360, they may have realized what potential a game like this has as a Wii U exclusive.

  • nexxus6

    I am glad Nintendo doesn’t whore themselves out to third party developers.

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      I don’t see what’s wrong with Sony and MIcrosoft working with third parties to bring games to their console. It’s no ones fault if Nintendo refuses to scratch third parties backs as they would scratch theirs. Can’t expect those developers to support them if they aren’t going to get the same treatment back. Don’t be so judgmental. Nintendo isn’t innocent at the slightest. I see them as stubborn mules.

      • nexxus6

        I am not saying any party is perfect. Also, none of us know what goes on behind closed doors. I just respect Nintendo for not having to grease wheels to get games. If a developer was truly in it for the “gamer”, they would want their product to reach as many homes as possible. However, it is a business and the console manufacturers have deeper pockets than the individual customer. With this in mind, devs have no problem denying many gamers their products. This way, they can get paid by console makers immediately, instead of waiting to see if they can earn profits from consumers based on the merit of their game.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I’m sure Nintendo cares about it’s fanbase, but just as you said, they are a business. That means, that Nintendo is in this for the money as well. It goes both ways.

          Of course neither of us knows what goes on behind closed doors. For all we know, it’s all Nintendo’s fault, or perhaps it’s all third parties fault. It’s something that us the gamers will never know the truth to. I blame both for different reasons. Third parties for not being open-minded enough, but they have a right to their opinion of Nintendo and they can’t be forced to develop games for their console. Nintendo is also to blame because they aren’t willing to take a hit from time to time to better cater to third parties, but I respect that they have their own visions for their console and that’s fine.

          What it comes down to, is that both sides just can’t come to an agreement with one another. I don’t think that’s going to change anytime soon. When it comes down to it, third parties and even Nintendo are in this for the business. They want your money more than your loyalty. While they may appear to care deeply for their fans, Nintendo and third parties cares about your money more, and why not? Their a business first, and a friend last. That’s how it always will be in any industry.

          That’s how I see things. To each their own on this one.

          • nexxus6

            I agree that it is a business, and the goal is making money. Also, I do agree that Nintendo is in it to make money and that is fine for all companies. However, third parties are taking advantage of console makers and are denying many gamers access to their product just so they can cash big checks from said console makers. This aspect of the industry I am not a fan of.

  • Nintendoplaystation

    i think nintendo need to spend more money for some exclusive games or content to make their console more atractive. its a competetive market. you gotta spend money to make money. that they spent money to get bayoneta 2 on they console as an exclusive was a good move you cant deny that.

  • InterTreble

    Buying Nintendo consoles for third party titles is an “error” as buying Sony or MS consoles for Nintendo games is an “error”. But 99% of times not being able to play the same games I can play on my PC or even smartphone on Wii U is the only “problem”, when the “problem” can be also not being able to play Zelda, Smash Bros or Mario Kart on PS4 and Xbox One. It’s the same “error” and the same “problem”. But trolling Nintendo is a great hobby. Have fun, haters. I rather prefer to play games! ;)

  • Potemkin

    You can innovate and at the same time keep up with the actual market. Thing that Nintendo is oviously failing on doing.

  • tom

    NIntendo really needs to do a better job in courting 3rd party companies

  • PachterStation

    Nintendo has never really been third-party friendly. Even the Wii was poorly supported, but it did go on to sell 100 million units. The Wii mainly sold on the remote. Most people wised up to the Wii, resulting in poor Wii U sales. Bottom line, Nintendo thought the Wii U was another Wii. Xbox and PlayStation brands are too alike and I don’t see that as a problem. I think what Nintendo is saying is that it’s not prepared to shell out silly amounts of money for third-party games which is the case with the Xbox 360 and PS3. This will continue with the Xbox One and PS4. But going back in history, Nintendo’s licencing methods haven’t gone down too well with a lot of third-parties over the years (it’s all there to be read), especially with the NES, Game Boy and SNES. Very odd how the Wii sells 100 million units, yet third-party support was poor, probably down to the tech. Wii U tech just doesn’t cut it for most publishers. If the Wii U had been up there with Wii sales, they’d be more third-party games, but things would’ve soon changed, as third-parties can only do so much with the tech. Fair enough, the Wii U maybe 50% more powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3, but that’s dead in the water. The Xbox 360 and PS3 will keep going for another 3 or 4 years. Most third-parties have turned to the Xbox One and the PS4. The Wii U up against 4 consoles is a huge headache for Nintendo. Nintendo will release this and that (it doesn’t release a lot of games for their consoles), but I can’t see any of their games selling a barrel load of consoles. Nintendo just can’t accept that they’re behind with the times. A powerful console with a hard drive isn’t copying Microsoft and Sony, something that the Wii U lacks. But a powerful Wii U console, would it pull in a lot of third-party support? I’m not so sure. Something tells me that Nintendo has too many issues with third-parties. A console (the Wii) selling 100 million units with poor third-party support and the fact that Nintendo didn’t exactly release a lot of games, there’s something seriously wrong there. A potential 100 million install base for the Wii U, a lost opportunity. Top brass at Nintendo need to change their ways big time.

  • Sonic 2099 The Hedgehog

    CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THEY MEANING BECAUSE I CAN’T FOLLOW IT

  • Deadpool U

    Why aren’t you banned yet? You’re nothing but an annoying parasite that does nothing but spend all his time on a website about the company and console you hate.

  • Andreas Sunde

    Probably because he’s already been banned twice (if not more, I’ve only been here since this spring), but he just makes another account and keeps going.

  • verymetal

    I see that Truthteller states his opinion which is his right to do so (as is yours). His comments bring a lot of responses that bring forth different thoughts and views which is the intended purpose. Face the facts…the Wii U has a lot of problems that need to be addressed which I think is the real reason why you get so upset over these type of posts. Nothing wrong with being a fanboy like yourself, but these problems can’t be ignored as the Wii U is in serious jeopardy of being a console failure.

  • Deadpool U

    You know what I see? A troll adefending a troll you two are pathetic all you do is talk about how you don’t like Nintendo andWii U I bet if PS4 or Xbone were struggling you wouldn’t be over at Ps4daily saying PS4 is no you would probably be saying it can pull through. You’re just Nintendo haters who think a struggling console is an excuse to spew hate at people who genuinely love Nintendo you make me sick.

  • oontz

    Wow rage much?

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    Confirmed.