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Nicalis co-founder says Gamepad was a mistake

Nicalis Tyrone RodriguezTyrone Rodriguez, co-founder of Nicalis games (Isaac Rebirth, Cave Story, VVVVVV), has made clear his opinion of the Wii U GamePad in a recent tweet. Beyond pure dislike the exact nature of the game designer’s complaint is a bit difficult to unravel, as many on Twitter pointed out in an ensuing conversation. A response from Mr. Rodriguez helps clarify his statement.

Tyrone Rodriguez Tweet

Clearly then he believes Nintendo is the one cheating its customers (and the one that should feel the regret). Nintendo should, and likely does regret many things about the Wii U. Does Microsoft regret certain aspects of Kinect’s design and marketing strategy? Absolutely. However it is untrue that consumers aren’t using the GamePad. Developers, Nintendo included, are responsible for showing the users in what ways technology can change the way we play games.

Giving Mr. Rodriguez the benefit of the doubt, he is most likely referring to developers and not consumers. Wii U owners enjoy the GamePad most often for things indirectly related to new or paradigm-shifting types of gameplay (i.e. off-TV play). But then we must ask you Mr. game developer, if you (not us) are given the GamePad as a tool, why don’t you create something more substantial?

What do you guys think?

[via Twitter]

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  • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

    I dunno… I REALLY like the gamepad. To each his own

    • Mayoo

      In fact I only play on the gamepad these days. I hate most of my wife’s TV programs but we get to share the same room while both doing what we want.

      • Arthur Jarret

        That’ll teach you to get married :P

        • Mayoo

          Marriage doesn’t come with a taste for bad TV shows. It was there before!

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        you get to cuddle, but do your own thing. It’s the perfect win win!

        • Inferno Uprising

          When I first read this I thought that this was said by someone at EA but I don’t even know where this guy is from, or even what he made(Until after I read the article.)

    • Snake Eater

      I agree the gamepad is awesome

    • Sam Wagner

      Agreed. I hate how just because every game isn’t using it in a new and unique way somehow means that “no one uses” it. I’m really hoping games like Zelda Wii u and other first party titles can communicate its awesomeness to the mass market :/

    • Rich Garriques

      the gamepad is amazing , i dunno what all this crap is about.

      • PatcherStation

        The Gamepad is awesome, but it added around £100 to the console price. I hope with Nintendo’s next home console, they’ll ditch the Gamepad, instead using its next handheld (probably a tablet clone) as a screen, linking both consoles together (like Vita to PS4).

    • Alex

      I don’t know what this guy is thinking the Kenect 2.0 cost the same as XBONE which is around $300-$400 to make and the GamePad that does pretty much almost everything that Kenect does but romur say it cost around $100 to make which is huge difference.

    • palomino blue

      I love it. I don’t even care if a game utilizes it that much. For bootup and easy management of my “apps” it’s great. Combined with the browser, the overall Wii U interface is my favorite to date. And some games really use it well.

      • Funkee Dynamite

        THIS!

      • Arthur Jarret

        I love the browser. I never use off-TV, but I love using my Wii U to go to Couchtuner.eu and use VK to stream my favorite series in HD to my beamer. I’m even thinking of cancelling my TV subscription.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        yeah, I’m with you on that :3

    • The Clockwork Being

      The only problem is that people think it hasn’t been used and think it’s useless but it really isn’t. Look at Splinter Cell, TLoZ:Wind Waker and Deus Ex:HR. Both games show great use of the gamepad.

      I think the reason people think it was a mistake is because they don’t see a great number of Nintendo games using it.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        yeah. I’ve played both SC and WW, so I know exactly what you’re talking about. Apparently Ubi thinks they’re going to take advantage of it for Watch Dogs. We’ll see…

    • matthew garcia

      I like the game pad myself but it doesn’t seem to have done nintendo any favors. It’s hurt there development and the appeal to the console. People see it as a joke.

    • Stephen Dorn

      Yeah, I’ve made a few games (PC, but I’d rather do Wii U or 3DS; not commercial, of course) in the past, and I can think of lots of ways to use the gamepad, and I’ve seen cool ways that even developers that aren’t enthusiastic about the gamepad use it, such as in LEGO Marvel Superheroes, where you can pull up the full map on the gamepad (I’m still laughing when I discovered that many of the loading screens in that game can be skipped)

    • val berger

      Me too, but I can understand, that people in the gaming industry see a different perspective. The question is, what would’ve happened if they hadn’t made the Gamepad Part of the WiiU? Would it have had more power? Sure. Would it have been still cheaper to produce and sell? Maybe. Sure, one Core element of the WiiU wouldn’t have been there, but if you wouldn’t know, you wouldn’t care as most good games available for the WiiU barely use that thing in an essential way. So sure, it wasn’t too smart to integrate it, but I personally am glad they did. It’s what adds character to this console, but we still should be aware that especially Nintendo doesn’t really need some gadget like this to create really great games, Mario Kart 8 is the best practise for that, as it doesn’t really seem to use it at all. Think Gamecube, it just had one Controller and it worked out perfectly. If there’s one thing I really don’t like about the WiiU, then it’s the amount of controllers, not their kind.

      I wouldn’t have minded if Nintendo would really just have created a Wii2, with better graphics and again the Wiimote as controller, as I think there is still quite much to explore with this controller and with better technology, you would be able to really create Shooters or Strategy games that perfectly fit to the Wiimote. And that’s what I don’t like about the Gamepad, Nintendo went away from that forced Wiimote support in certain games. On the Wii, every shooter had to be optimised to support the Wiimote as a targeting device and I loved it. If well implemented, this seemed like the perfect way to play every kind of 1st and 3rd person shooter. And on the WiiU, thanks to its ability to just port any XBox360 game right over without wasting too much effort, there’s barely any game really using the Wiimotes potential like it used to be. Instead, we have this strange fragmented situation, where you probably can’t explain a friend playing Super Mario 3D World with you, how he should control the game, because you never played it with the controller he’s using. This situation isn’t really what Nintendo used to be once. I like them for delivering just very plain, simple solutions that are able to stand for themselves. 3 main input devices seem like a no-go to me. And still, I am glad there is at least some Wiimote support there and I still like the Gamepad, so I guess I can’t really tell, what’s the best way to go. But again, I’d say if they hadn’t me introduced to the Gamepad in first place, I may not miss it.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        yeah, it’s definitely a novelty, but a welcome one in my opinion

    • darkcreap

      Kinect might have been a mistake (although I think it wasn’t), but the gamepad surely was not. It allows:

      -Dual screen gaming. Either being just a map/inventory place or giving additional functionality to change gameplay (See The Wonderful 101, ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Lego City Undercover, etc)
      -Local Multiplayer with different screens. This might seem stupid, but the other not seeing what you see is incredibly important for competitive games.
      -Asymmetric gaming: Like local multiplayer, but allows to have differentiated roles, in contrast with local multiplayer games in which all have similar roles. See the Luigi’s Mansion minigame in Nintendo Land, among others.
      -Off TV play. This one alone is important enough.
      -Touch screen gaming in a home console. Pointing interfaces are possible on the WiiU. This might seem stupid, but just think about Real Time Strategy games on PC and how well they fit with a mouse/keyboard interface. The WiiU screen allows using the touch screen to point at things, so I think it could fit well for a strategy game. In other consoles you have to use probably the joysticks to point. Does any one here have Diablo III or another strategy game for the PS4 or any other console?

      And if you don’t like any of the above mentioned, it is like a WiiU Pro controller with a screen in the middle, so you can play only with the buttons and ignore everything else.

      The gamepad is very versatile and you can be given several options for input: either buttons only (classical way) or also use the touch and motion sensing controls.

      The problem with Kinect and also the WiiMote, the way I see it, is that not all games fit well with motion sensing. There are a lot of games in which WiiMote and Kinect controls feel strange, do not fit or simply aren’t possible.

      I think Kinect is a great piece of technology. Especially for dancing games it is awesome.

      • Arthur Jarret

        I wonder about the Fantasia game. The movies are my favorite disney movies… so I think the game might be good.

        Other than that, Kinect isn’t a really practical application for the games that the audience which they are targetting like. Nintendo, with their clear family focus, they may have missed the mark but the gamepad is a good appliance to use in the type of games Nintendo’s audience likes.

        Their comment to ‘get the core gamer back’ around release doesn’t match up with their current focus.

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  • Vegeta937

    I use my gamepad ALL the time…like right now while typing this =P

    • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

      so do i at home

      • Mario

        Same here.

    • abe

      think i’ve used my propad once

  • Nathaniel Lopez

    Um okay…but he has no problem making games for 3DS and as well as making some of them on the Wii U?

  • GEEMES

    I think people cover stories like this too much. You’re a wii u website. Post more positive stories about people who love the wii u. There are plenty of us out there.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      There is no positive stories. You ask for propaganda and not news.

      • David Trail

        Idiot

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Prove me wrong. One good story please.

          • David Trail

            Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is another great Nintendo exclusive. The console may not be selling but the games are better than the ones on PS4 and Xbox One.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Hardly any news. DKCF has been out for a while now, and should have been released before christmas. Where is the news?

          • David Trail

            120 indies games in development for Wii U.

            Shovel Knight and Mario Kart (SNES) this month

            Drive Club should have been a launch title for the PS4?

          • Brian Lockett

            I hate to be “that guy,” David, but I’ll have to agree with Magnus to a reasonable extent here. Nintendo news drops at a painfully slow rate.

            Throughout the past two years, we’ve known of about five heavier-hitting AAA titles coming to the Wii U in 2014 or beyond. About two years later…we still only know of about five of such games:

            • Legend of Zelda
            • Super Smash Bros.
            • “X”
            • Bayonetta
            • Mario Kart (if that even counts much as a “heavy-hitter” anymore–despite its popularity, the series is a given, by this point, and likely didn’t cost very much in terms of development budget and time unlike the other aforementioned)

            I knew about most of that short list the year Wii U was announced–almost two years later, I should know more than just those game.

            And no, that list of indie games isn’t cutting it, since most of those titles will be available elsewhere–if they’re not already. It merits the Wii U no true advantage if most of those titles aren’t even exclusives. Games available on higher-supported platforms isn’t going to generate many new Wii U sales–it’s only going to give the current owners some new games.

            There’s also a sore lack of news showing Nintendo truly raising their efforts to turn the Wii U around. They need to be making news as soon as possible, informing the public of new upcoming projects under way, and giving people some hope of new effort, to not keep people waiting in the dark.

            PlayStation, while it’s currently rather quiet itself in terms of new game announcements, can afford such since we all know it’s got plenty of developer support, and it’s only a matter of time before people start breaking the silence of their quiet developments. Sony made enough announcements to hold their fans until more news arrives. And nobody not knows what a PS4 is, by now–thanks to strong advertisement from Sony.

            Where’s Nintendo’s equivalent of such effort? They had a full two-year lead on Sony and Microsoft and got dwarfed in effort by both companies, in hardware sales, in game sales, and in promotional strength, in only a few months after their recent releases.

            I’m all for looking on the bright side of things, but sometimes, it’s good to take a good look at standing negative reality. We as Nintendo fans should be upset and demanding a better effort from our favorite company. We should expect better from Nintendo, and stop being so warm to the sloppy effort they’ve given so far, because we all know they’re more than capable of doing better.

          • David Trail

            At least we’re not playing mediocre garbage like Knack and saying its the best thing ever as we don’t really have anything.

          • Brian Lockett

            No. Instead, we’re only playing Nintendo Land and acting like it’s a game that’s more than just a collection of mini-games…

            Fun as the mini-games might have been, Nintendo Land was terribly overrated, by both Nintendo and fans.

          • darkcreap

            Yeah, I am with David in that. At least indies are giving the WiiU some love. It cannot live only from indies, of course, but at least Nintendo is trying to do OK. Sony is said to also be good to indies this generation.

            Indeed the situation is bad (Last Nintendo Direct still hurts), but some positive news there are. I wish there were more full games right now. Only indies is not enough, for sure.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            I think Indies are important, but they cannot justify a console by themselves. Nintendo needs to attract the big hitters, they shouldnt get away this easy by hiding behind indie devs.

          • darkcreap

            Absolutely agreed. I see indies as nice thing, but I agree that more “full retail games” are necessary.

        • darkcreap

          Calling idiot someone helps nothing. If you have some point of view, explain it. We are here to contrast our views not to insult.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Lol, that I dont care about :)

          • darkcreap

            Yeah, I see, but I don’t like seeing these things. If you think someone’s wrong, explain why. Insulting is just irrational.

          • Brian Lockett

            If there’s one thing I’ve learned in my young life, it’s that rudeness is commonly the resort of the one shorter on reason in the situation.

      • darkcreap

        Well, some good news there are. We have to know the positive and the negative, though.

      • GEEMES

        I can’t believe 8 people actually liked your comment. Why are you on this website? The wii u is awesome. The gamepad is great. NintendoLand and Rayman use it very well. Why are the other developers so slow to see the potential?

    • ZeldaFan83

      You can’t just ask for positive news…news is news regardless if its positive or negative, you either choose to read it or don’t.

  • Magnus Eriksson

    But the pad IS useless. Its pure gimmick that offers nothing at all to the experience. Its big, clumsy, uncomfortable and bring nothing of interest to the gaming experience. Nintendo should drop it, drop the price of Wii U and focus on 3DS games instead.

    • jjbredesen

      uncomfortable??? I think it feels better than dualshock 4, it feels great, and the screen ads to the experiance, i personally enjoy it a lot, but i guess thats up to each person.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        Hmmmm… I dont see one game that I would play better with the pad compared to Ds4.

        • jjbredesen

          Well thats you :P, i own people in games such as TF2 on PC with a touchpad and they use a mouse, i guess it has to do with skill more than anything, perhaps your just more used to the dualshock controlers in general?

        • David Trail

          I hate the DS4 lol. I much prefer the game pad. I could never use a DS4 after using the game pad.

      • Donaald

        Why are you wasting time replying to some fag that comes here to troll and criticize something he doesn’t have?

    • Deadpool U

      Magnus you only make yourself look like a fool with these statements.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        Its an opinion, not a fact. Its my opinion, not yours. That makes you a fool because you are unable to see it.

      • Donaald

        Why are you wasting your time replying to some fag that comes here to troll and criticize something he doesn’t have?

    • BIG Franky

      the gamepad is definitely NOT uncomfortable…. it feels fine when holding it in your hands while playing… even for long periods of time… but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a stupid waste of time. I find it incredibly under-whelming and for basically every game I play, when the pro Controller is an option, that is what I use…. which is basically everything… so the gamepad sits in its holster for 99% of the time, LOL…

      • Magnus Eriksson

        Excactly. When Pro controller is available you prefer that, so do I. Why? Because its more comfortable.

    • Brian Lockett

      I’m curious as to just why you keep hanging out here, Magnus, considering you seem to have little-to-no interest in the Wii U at all.

      Well, actually, I know why you do (for the attention of always being contrary), but still…

  • Luciano

    Er…okay,now let’s go back to the common programing.

  • Trevor Mari Switzer

    The game pad makes things like netflix and other non game related things very convenient, but I haven’t seen any situation where I was like, “Oh I’m really glad I had this game pad.” Some sort of Resident Evil item management might be really cool though.

  • ElCharlo

    WiiU needs more MMO that could justify inventory managment on the gamepad without breaking gameplay.

    Also a 5 players dungeon crawler where the one on the gamepad is the GM wouldn´t hurt

    • Wooopigsooie

      5 player dungeon crawler on Wii U. Perfect! I feel like there’s so much untouched potential on Wii U it’s not even funny. Rayman Legends was starting to get there, but 3d multiplayer type co-op games could be so much better!

  • Diaz

    Irrelevant comment from irrelevant producer.

  • TULFich

    Well, while it still has great potencial ahead, the logic says they could have invested on some extra cores.

  • Ernie Sanguyo

    No one use it? That’s absolutely rediculous lol. I use gamepad all the time mostly than my TV. Also I love using gamepad on vc games the most. Gamepad is not a waste of money but kinect is a waste of money. Whoever is this guy has no idea how fun using the gamepad.

  • http://www.gamesobscura.com/ themizarkshow

    I like the gamepad just fine, but it could use a higher resolution screen and modern touch sensors in it so it works better without the stylus. It feels like they went halfway into the second screen gaming scene instead of truly taking grasp of it and running.

  • David Trail

    I’m not even a game designer and I can think of many uses for the game pad. These people should be sacked!

  • David Trail

    Imagine a trading card game eg Pokemon or Ugioh on Wii U?

    • TULFich

      with NFC use to upgrade your deck!! :D

    • Deadpool U

      Actually it’s spelled ‘YuGIOh’ sorry but my nerd side will not leave me alone on that.

      • David Trail

        That’s okay lol!

    • matthew garcia

      Your imagining a lot of stuff that’s not gonna happen. They can’t even put gamecube games to download instead give us ds games. Stop living in fantasy land

  • David Trail

    Imagine mmrpgs on Wii U, free online, miiverse, inventory map as second screen!

  • David Trail

    Imagine a Football Managing game on Wii U. Controlling the action on the touch screen and see the players on the field on the big screen

    • Wooopigsooie

      I have thought about this so many times!!! I wish someone, even an indie, would make a solid strategy/play based football game where u can design plays. Madden 13, buggy as it was, showed a lot of potential w/ separate screen play calling and hot routes, but then EA quit on Wii U.

      • David Trail

        There’s so much potential but developers are lazy : (

        • DeStarfighter

          not all of us ^^ when I get my wii U development license Im going to use the shit out of the gamepad =P

  • Wooopigsooie

    When the Wii U was first announced with the awesome trailer (w/ sports) I was stoked just imagining the possibilities. I could see survival games that used the gamepad’s gyros and surround sound. Mario Kart where u actually aim and fling the weapons. Starfox where you piloted on screen and used the gamepad to aim and set mines, missiles or alternative weapons. Some multiplayer almost board game type feeling strategy games using the gamepad. So far, we’ve seen none of this and the gamepad is used almost entirely as maps and items, or off tv play if used at all, even by Nintendo. Nintendo needs to raise the bar with their innovation in games w/ the gamepad or it will be known as nothing more than a handy web browser.

    • MerryBlind .

      They recently said they will push the GamePad more with games that make better use of it, and that Mario Kart 8 will be one such title. Whether they do it remain to be seen however.

      I really hope what they hinted at for Mario Kart 8 is 5-players or 6-players local multiplayer, not just crap like motion steering and a horn button on the screen like they’ve shown a long time ago.

      Come on Nintendo. Make a 5th player play on the GamePad screen, and a 6th player playing on ANOTHER Gamepad. Great use of the GamePad, first game that uses more than one GamePad. BAM. Wii U sales like cake since it’s Mario Kart and everyone will talk about it.

      But they probably won’t do that…. no…. that would make too much sense.

      • David Trail

        They have hinted that Mario Kart 8 will have a track editor and design emblems. That would make great use of the game pad.

        • MerryBlind .

          Indeed, but not as much a game-changer as what I described above.

      • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

        the one in the gamepad will have advantage with the others

        • MerryBlind .

          Who cares about that; it’s Mario Kart dude. Also,keep in mind that concept would work with less than 5 or 6 players. You could play 3 players local for example, with one player on the TV, and two others on their respective GamePads.

  • David Trail

    A comic and reading app would be great on the Wii U

  • David Trail

    Dark Souls would be awesome with the game pad

  • David Trail

    GTA 5 would be awesome with the game pad

  • lwlshintalwl

    I use the gamepad alot since my TV is used as a monitor and my brother is always playing on PC

  • David Trail

    Strategy games would be awesome with the game pad. Come on developers it’s not all about graphics!

  • David Trail

    They should have an app with simple chess games with Mario and Zelda themes. Just using the touch pad and have online rankings for them

  • David Trail

    Horror games work great with the Game Pad…

    We need a Zombi U 2 Ubisoft!!!!!

    • MerryBlind .

      If the sales of the console do pick up, I’m sure they’ll make one at some point. Just look at Red Steel. Launch title, then years later, they make a 2nd one. Also, the first one was crap, while the 2nd was pretty damn good.
      ZombiU 1 is already great, imagine what they could do with a sequel!

  • Stephen Macneil

    I like the Wii U gamepad but not enough games take advantage of it. I find even using the map on it with games like Arkham Origins and Zelda pretty awesome. I do know some people couldn’t care less about that though. Part of me doesn’t want them to do much with it though as some ideas hurt the game experience. We saw that a lot with the wii motes last gen. DKCR anyone?

    • David Trail

      Games where you play as a secret agent would be awesome on the Wii U. With the scanner and I like the finger print thing in Batman

  • David Trail

    F-Zero with track and ship editor and 30 players online!

  • Vegeta937

    There may not be a lot of games that have utilized the gamepad the way it was made to be, but the few I have played that have (like Lego City Undercover) did it extremely well. Also, you can call me shallow or easy, but imho, if off-screen tv play was all it offered, I’d still be happy. Love doing the tedious things, like gathering in Monster Hunter (or just grinding monsters for that matter) off-screen, while having a movie play on the main screen. It’s the simple things =P

    • David Trail

      Nintendo Land used it very well and so did Game and Wario IMO and Zombi U is the best example IMO

      • D Moness

        do not forget lego city undercover

        • David Trail

          I didn’t lol. He already mentioned it. I was just adding to the list ; )

        • Inferno Uprising

          Finally someone that recognizes a great way to use the gamepad

    • Brian Lockett

      Hey Vegeta, …are we there yet?

      • Vegeta937

        Goddammit, Nappa! Shut up!

        • Brian Lockett

          o/

  • David Trail

    Don’t forget the game pad also makes the best web browser on a console!!!!!

  • Billy_Perry

    The Gamepad has a nice design, its easy and comfortable to use, with some value to gameplay. But its not worth the $150 that it costs, and if it wasn’t there, the pro controller could be better, and we could have a more powerful console, with the same price point. They focused too much on innovating for the sake of innovating I think. Although its definetley not as much of a waste as the XBOX Kinect, Or the PS4 camera. BOTH of which also cost their respective companies ridiculous money.

  • David Trail

    It would be cool if you could use the game pad while someone is watching Netflix on the console at the same time. To surf the net and play virtual console titles etc!

  • Phillip Fauble

    “I’m not creative enough to produce something to utilize this tech, so I’m acting like it’s a bad thing”

    • David Trail

      Amen, I am more creative than him. Just read some of my ideas below.

  • Deadpool U

    There are 3 type of people that are usually say things like this:

    1: People with no credibility.

    2: People who most likely never touched the Wii U in the first place.

    3:EA employees.

    • David Trail

      Basically deuche bags!

    • Magnus Eriksson

      You have no credibility

    • Torgeir Skogen

      Wait, so you’re saying that EA employees have credibility?

      • Matthew Stapleton

        Not since they killed Origin Systems and the Wing Commander franchise…… We’l never get to see Wing Commander Online, and Shadow Force.

    • Jeffery02

      I believe that third option is all of the above

    • ZeldaFan83

      Haha…I like number 3

  • Kyle

    The gamepad is amazing, but you have to use it to know that. Back in my days we didnt even know which console was more powerful, we just wanted to have fun… And still, Nintendo makes beautiful looking games even with lower power. Currently there’s no company that makes better art than Nintendo imo.

    • RyuNoHadouken

      me and my friends knew which one was more powerful…hell, power wars been going on since atari…idk what yall were doing

      • Jeffery02

        Pooping in diapers with a controller in my hand. I couldn’t give the shit in my pants for which console was more powerful.

    • MerryBlind .

      Indeed, if there is one company that can get away with less powerful hardware, it’s Nintendo, because they seem to be the only ones who know how to really make use of hardware fully and optimally, and to make visually coherent and polished game.

      Most other Game Developers seem to make, for example, a game with insane textures, but low polygons, nice particle effects, but no AA, great details, but disgusting draw distance, etc. It’s all a matter of balance and overall consistency. Nintendo understand that.

  • Mario

    Sorry! But to me, it wasn’t a waste of money. I use the gamepad almost all the time when I play on my WiiU. And I enjoy it.

    • David Trail

      He’s a graphic whore!

      • John Andalora

        You’re calling the guy who made VVVVVV a ‘graphic whore’?
        HA!

        • David Trail

          He’s acting like one.

          • John Andalora

            Listen.
            A guy who makes a game that looks like that is not a graphics whore.

            I think he probably just doesn’t like the GamePad. VVVVVV is on the 3DS, after all, so second screens aren’t an issue.

          • David Trail

            Okay, if he makes these types of games. He should love the game pad. What he is saying does not reflect what he creates.

          • John Andalora

            That is an illogical assumption.
            This game is a one screen game, and even on 3DS doesn’t make huge use of the 2nd screen.
            I got it on PC.

            This kind of game doesn’t show whether or not he loves the gamepad.

  • Anton Gustin

    Except that it’s not a waste of time or money, because you know…using the gamepad is actually fun!

  • DeStarfighter

    I use the gamepad all the time at home, even as a mini tv to watch netflix while working ^^ and its perfect for games like windwaker, its awesome not to have to pause everytime you need to check your map or inventory :D

    • MerryBlind .

      Yeah it’s amazing for Wind Waker. A game-changer for me. Sailing was such a breeze (pun intended lol) with the Map on the GamePad.

  • David Trail

    I like the idea of just a plain racing game and nothing on the screen apart from the cars and the scenery and everything else on the game pad, map, laps, time etc!

  • David Trail

    A Project Rub style game would be great on Wii U. Anyone remember those games on the DS?

    • Shota

      LOL yeah! that was one fun perverted game! XD remove the crabs

    • matthew garcia

      Dude u need to get laid and quit jacking off to princess peach

  • David Trail

    What I don’t get is why hasn’t Capcom made a Phonenix Wright for Wii U yet and a graphic Novel Type game would be awesome. Also Nintendo really need to bring Nintendo Tvii to the Uk. Looking forward to GBA and DS games on my Wii U : )

  • David Trail

    Substantial do you mean creating a really powerful console to give us mediocre crap like Killzone, Thief and broken Battlefield. If that’s substantial I think your priorities need to change mr games developer!

  • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

    Opinion Everywhere. I think Microsoft and Sony going to low end x86 parts for their consoles was a mistake that’s just me. The gamepad offers a lot to my gaming and that is all that matters.

    Edit: Oh and it is such a mistake that other companies are trying to copy it and use similar features on tablets or game streaming to second screens or trying to incorporate touch controls into gaming.

    This is no different really than when people all went in a tizzy calling the WiiMote motion control style a mistake and yet the industry rushed to copy it and/or put their own little spin on motion style gaming.

  • WiiUisgaming

    The Gamepad is the best game controll I ever seen and used.

  • http://www.0xsh.com/ Shashwat Pant

    So from his perspective Oculus Rift must be the biggest blunder of the gaming world. Things needs to change other than usual specs else there won’t be any innovation, beefing up hardware is not a a revolutionary step but rather a natural evolutionary progression that every consumer device goes through.

  • HydePark1980

    You know you’re living in today’s industry when gamers and developers are ragging on a controller that most have never really used or bothered with.

  • FutureFox

    Says more about the developer. Did they forget its their job to utilize new tech in new and interesting ways?

  • Mr Ninty

    the gamepad is the best controller ever made. if only the devolpers would open there eyes and use the gamepad for real

  • MerryBlind .

    Just for Zelda Wind Waker HD and CastleStorm, I got my money’s worth for the GamePad. Can’t wait to get my hands on ZombiU and Wonderful 101, I love their demos and thought they made great use of the GamePad (I don’t understand people saying Thumbstick is better than drawing for W101, I find it doesn’t even compare)

  • Joey

    Not a waste i love the gamepad i had a whole lot of fun with it such as Zelda WW, Rayman Legends, Lego City undercover, and even NintendoLand etc… no one makes anything like it, Kinect still has it’s own flaws not perfect.

    • David Trail

      Game Pad > Kinnect

  • wiimenonowiiu

    I love my pad works great on ac3 and 4 same with lego under cover and zombie no pause to see map or change items and when the wife watches what ever i dont like i can still play or netflicks

  • Capt. Smoker

    I’m sure there had to be a better way to do what they wanted to do this generation, rather than force the gamepad on people, it was a nice idea for off tv play but it’s a scary idea that you can’t easily replace it if it breaks, that’ll make anybody including parents back away from buying it, to me, Wii U wasn’t innovative and Iwata was a fool to think he could get away with releasing a system like that, now he’s paying the price.

  • Cyberus

    NIcalis’s co-founder is a mistake

  • Dark-Link73

    I really love and use the Gamepad until the battery dies every time. If there’s a “mistake” made by Nintendo on the Wii U (imo) would be the use of Power PC instead of x86. Other than that, I’m very happy with my Wii U as is.

  • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

    For me the gamepad is mostly used to watch this site and other stuff, during games I personally prefer the pro-controller, as I have no wife or children and live on my own. I’m not forced to use the pad for off tv play, I play games with the pro-controller if supported. And if I watch tv I use the gamepad as my personal second-screen, or as tablet if you will. It’s a good addition but a bit awkward when playing games, that’s my opinion atleast :D

    • David Trail

      The game pad is a great normal controller. Being a man I like the size of it more than SONY’s DS4 and the screen really helps in certain games and makes a great internet browser as well as the reasons you mentioned.

  • Razo_E

    See, that’s the thing. Those that don’t like the gamepad are the ones that don’t own Wii Us. Those that own it, seem to love it. I know I do!

  • GregoryTheRainMaker

    You sir are a mistake. v.v

  • MrTravan

    I would not own a Wii U if it didn’t have the gamepad. The gamepad and all it offers is the sole reason I bought a Wii U and play it nearly every day.

  • gamesplayswill

    I agree with this actually. I feel that the Wii Ugamepad wasn’t needed, and they could use the money on the specs of the console. The Wii U is a little slow in my opinion. Probably because I have a gaming PC.

    • David Trail

      It is needed otherwise it would just be the same as PS4 and Xbox One. Do we really need more of the same?

      • gamesplayswill

        I can see your point of view, but dude, the gamepad isn’t needed to make a console unique. Nintendo have awesome games and a great eshop library along with Miiverse. That’s enough to get (at least ME)sold.

        • David Trail

          True but the game pad is another selling point for me along with those. I love off screen play. The games really feel good which use the game pad aka Zombi U, Lego City Under Cover, Game and Wario, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter: Ultimate, Nintendo Land etc. It also makes the best internet browser on a home console.

          • matthew garcia

            To bad that selling point isn’t working. Nobody wants to develop for it and it’s losing nintendo money with its horrible sales. Wii u is dead and I purchased one. Just give me Zelda X and bayonetta 2 and I’m done with it

          • David Trail

            Mario Kart 8, SSB, Shin Migami V Fire Emblem, Sonic Boom, Hyrule Warriors, Yoshi’s Yarn as well.

          • jackie

            I grew out of mario, fire emblem looks good there hasnt been a good sonic game since dreamcast and yoshis yarn sounds like a childrens game. Im a women and dont want to play those kid games

          • David Trail

            Ha ha I beg to differ about the Sonic games:
            Sonic Lost World, Colours and Generations, Rush were good…http://archiv.roumen.cz/a/-_Target_audience_vs_actual_audience_-______12.01.2013.jpg

          • jackie

            Those games got horrible reviews

  • ActivesiN

    I love using the gamepad, I wish more developers would take advantage of it

    • David Trail

      I know so many possibilities!

  • Donaald

    I’m sorry, who did you say?

  • fabian

    I really hope nintendo isn’t even thinking of getting away with the gamepad. The thing they need to do is to work on how to use it. Because If they use it the right way, where the gamepad is built into the game itself, I think wii u will succeed. I actually think they will have to get rid of off-tv play if they are going to be able to make a game where the gamepad is built into the game.

    • David Trail

      How about some games with off screen play and some games with unique experiences. Mix it up?

      • fabian

        yeah, that could be possible. Maybe that they bring off-tv play to eshop-games and focus on intergrating the gamepad to the game with the bigger games.

  • Kay Wrobel

    And this from a developer who couldn’t even turn on audio on the GamePad for Off-TV play. Like the Giana Sisters developer who also didn’t turn the audio on. How hard can it be to get the video AND audio to the gamepad? That alone shows you this (and other) developers don’t even read the documentation. Have they even tested this thing? Quick port, quick buck, zero effort… How can you support developers like this?

    • David Trail

      We are better off without them. Nintendo games are better than about 90% of the multi plats!

      • Kay Wrobel

        Don’t get me wrong: it’s good to see plenty of indie developers embracing the Wii U, maybe not specifically the Gamepad, but surely there are plenty of indie games that have off-TV play right (Runner 2, Rush, Toki Tori2). So it can’t be that hard to get the audio working. But developers like this one, with the audio issue? Come on. He needs to RTFM ASAP or leave. It’s so upsetting.
        I’m a programmer (not games). And if I was testing my game and saw that there’s no audio coming from the Gamepad, I’d dig into the developer kit’s documentation to find out what causes this. This one apparently didn’t care too much.
        And then he has the nerve to call it a complete waste of time and money? What a character.

        • David Trail

          He’s a waste of time lol!

          • Kay Wrobel

            ^^THIS^^

  • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

    I was reading this article using Wii U gamepad. What a waste of time…

    • David Trail

      They should make an app on Wii U… Where you can download comics and books.

      • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

        Excellent idea. I want also 3DS game support, one way or another.

      • readypembroke

        and an Amazon Kindle app!

    • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

      Remember the time when people told us how useless the mouse was? Rest is history of a revolution. Someone’s gotta have balls to create new things.

      • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

        Also, this coming from a company who created Cave Story for 3DS [having the goddamn 2nd screen] am not getting this. What was he thinking? Too many beers while tweeting? Go figure.

  • Geoffrey Tasker

    actually before people start flaiming the guy I believe Iwata said the exact same thing at the last shareholder meeting. they also said the 3d capability of the 3ds was a waste too, but unlike 3d nintendo has the abilty to make the gamepad useful.

    Hopefully the handheld console hybrid rectifies a lot of the mistakes made and nintendo becomes the trend sitter its known to be once again

    • David Trail

      Iwata said that he wanted to use the game pad more. Not that it was a waste of time.

  • jhell

    the gamepad is great to me

  • greengecko007

    It has been a waste of money so far. It contributes greatly to the overall cost of the Wii U but doesn’t really contribute to the overall experience. It’s a good controller, but so is the pro controller, which is a lot cheaper. Until Nintendo starts using the gamepad in ways that are actually creative, instead of just using it as a cheap tablet, it is going to continue to be viewed as a novelty item.

    • David Trail

      You clearly don’t own a Wii U.

      • greengecko007

        You’re right. I just bought Nintendo Land, Pikmin 3, Assassin’s Creed 3 and 4, and Super Mario 3D World just because they look nice on a display shelf.

        • David Trail

          Then you would realise that Nintendo Land works great with the game pad.

          • greengecko007

            Nintendo Land does a good job showing off concepts that could be used in upcoming Nintendo games. The problem is, there haven’t been any games that use these concepts, and Nintendo’s recent AAA games have barely used the gamepad at all.

            I know that the gamepad has a lot of potential, but in order for it to not be considered a novelty item and a waste of money, that potential needs to turn into actual use.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Idiot company to release a 2D platformer NSMBU at launch instead of doing some cool thing that involved the pad.

          • ben

            What you say is true if NSMBU did not allow off screen play. It did. So it did what it said on the box.

          • David Trail

            It had off screen play and could be played with five players. That’s pretty revolutionary!

          • oontz

            Ummm the wii version of NSMB allowed for 4 player simultaneous multiplayer. Are you really saying that adding another player was revolutionary? Ha ha… Oh David.

          • David Trail

            Yes, how many five player platform era are there? This can only be done on Wii U.

          • oontz
          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I actually had that long ago. Unfortunately, it broke down about 10 years ago. Was fun times with friends every weekend.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It’s been done long ago dude(as oontz proved to you). I used to do 5 player games with friends way back in the 90’s with friends. For a guy who practically worships Nintendo, you don’t know your history too well. ;P

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I know the Wii U gamepad looks great on a display shelf. Of course, it’d certainly make a great android tablet as well with some modifications.

          • David Trail

            Yeah I love surfing the web on it and I love Zombi U. The Game Pad makes the game even better.

          • greengecko007

            I keep mine in a display set that says “Unused Potential” over it. It’s kind of sad that even Nintendo isn’t using their own product for anything beyond what the DS has been doing for the past 10 years.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            True. It really doesn’t do enough to make it a worthy investment. It might as well be a standalone mobile device at this point.

          • David Trail

            Try some of these…

            Zombi U, Lego City Under Cover, Game and Wario, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter: Ultimate, Nintendo Land, Wonderful 101, Batman Orgins and Arkam City etc.

          • greengecko007

            I have heard that Zombi U shows off some good ideas for gamepad use, but I’ve also heard that it’s an otherwise mediocre and clearly unpolished game.

            I already have Wind Waker on the gamecube, and I don’t plan on paying $50 for the same game but with better render distance and more bloom effect.

            Arkham City I already have on the PS3, and Origins I never got because I heard it was a step down from City, and I don’t have a lot of money to spend on games.

            Nintendo Land I already stated I own.

            The other games, Game and Wario, Lego City Undercover, and Wonderful 101 just aren’t games that I find interesting.

          • Hipster Victor

            Clearly your just a troll. Have you even tried Monster Hunter? And btw Wind Waker is more than just a port, dont judge a book by its cover.

          • greengecko007

            I’ve played Monster Hunter 3 on the Wii and didn’t enjoy it. I can respect that some people enjoy it, but I don’t like the tedious nature of the game. For me, 30 minute long monster fights of doing the same pattern over and over isn’t fun.

            I never called Wind Waker HD a port, but I’m not going to buy a game I already own just because of minor graphical enhancements and menial upgrades like faster sailing. “Gameplay over graphics” right?

          • David Trail

            Buys Battlefield, COD and or Fifa

          • greengecko007

            Welcome back Nintentroll. Please show me any comment where I said that I buy or even like any of those games. Happy hunting!

            I’ll also leave a little protip for you. If you can’t respect that people like different games than you, then you don’t belong on the internet in a comments section.

          • Hipster Victor

            You dont have to say it, because you already showing that to you its just a port. But thats your opinion I guess

          • greengecko007

            No offense, but I get the feeling that you don’t even know what a “port” is… A port is when you take software and edit it so that it can be used on another piece of hardware. Multiplatform games like Assassin’s creeds are ported to the various consoles, and except for some differences in optimization, are identical.

            Wind Waker HD was completely remade for the Wii U. It’s not the gamecube game software recoded for the Wii U. However, this doesn’t mean I have to buy it. I already said I have the original Wind Waker. Wind Waker HD isn’t much different, except the graphics are a little better (don’t care), and you can play with the new gamepad (don’t care).

            Unlike good remakes, like Pokemon Heart Gold, A Limk Between Worlds, etc there is no new worthwhile content, and thus, no reason for for someone like me to buy it again. If you like Wind Waker HD, great, Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda game, but you should try not to accuse peopke of things on the internet when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • ben

            Wonderful 101 is one of the best games from 2013. THat game will be a cult classic when the last of us is dead and buried.

          • oontz

            What does the last of us have to do with him not finding 101 interesting? It has actually zero to do with it… Z E R O

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Fanboys will be fanboys.

          • oontz

            The Last of Us 95% > Wonderful101 78% LMAO!!

            See other people can do it too. Doesn’t that seem lame though? Kinda sad really. Sad David.

          • ben

            Do you even understand English? Obviously your IQ is incredibly low. Let me make it clear for your one brain cell to almost closely fathom (fathom means understand).

            Cult classic does not mean universally popular. It means it has a cult fan base. THe Last of Us is pop crap. It is the same as a movie like Avatar. It has a huge first year and slowly people realize it was nothing more than RE4 with out the intelligent AI.

          • oontz

            Ha ha, that totally went over your head. No worries though. I forgot to add a disclaimer to the end. Also I am well aware of what defines a cult Classic. I am also highly educated, educated enough to know that a single cell organism wouldn’t be able to post on this site or even comprehend what anything is outside of growth and reproduction. So yeah. Anyways next time I shall attach a disclaimer to my posts as some people have difficulty understanding the fine art of sarcasm. Cheers

            Disclaimer: The above post/reply was simply a sarcastic parody of what David Trail constantly posts on a daily basis. It in no way reflects the true feelings or opinions of Oontz.

          • ben

            So basically your saying you fail at sarcasm.
            When you make a post name dropping please consider that the people reading it may not even know who you are alluding to.

            By the way, I never called you a single celled organism. I said you only had one brain cell. Obviously the one you do have has problems with simple comprehension, I would advise you that with you limited reading and writing skills you refrain from sarcasm.

          • oontz

            Good you’re paying attention… It seems you’re quite daft. A human couldn’t live on one brain cell, you’d be brain dead. You wouldn’t be typing or communicating in any way at all. However a single celled organism can function and live while at the same time being the owner of one brain cell. Certainly a single celled organism wouldn’t be typing either but that’s beyond the point. The only living thing with a single braincell are those. So it’s not a matter of comprehension on my part, but yours. Reading your other posts leads one to the same conclusion. You are power hungry and simply a bully.

            Go trip somewhere else.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Indeed. Gotta love those types. When you keep them coming back, you already won. ;P

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            “So basically, you’re saying you fail at sarcasm. When you make a post name dropping, please consider that the people reading it may not even know who you are alluding too.

            By the way, I never called you a single-celled organism. I said, you only had one brain cell. Obviously, the one you do have, has problems with simple comprehension. I would advise you that with your limited reading and writing skills, you refrain from sarcasm.”

            There you go buddy. I fixed your spelling and grammar mistakes. You obviously have problems with simple comprehension of grammar and spelling. I would advise you to refrain from the same sarcasm. People may not know what you are alluding too. ;P

          • ben

            The same sarcasm? I didn’t use any sarcasm, never-mind the same sarcasm, what does that even mean? Did you mean to write something that was gibberish? Do you also suffer from reading skills problems?

            Correcting mistakes then writing a sentence which does not actually make sense… Kind of makes you look foolish.. Sorry.

            PS. I can correct my mistakes. So thanks for the heads up.

          • ben

            I think you probably don’t know how to play pikmin and I doubt you can have finished Mario 3D world, you need to use the gamepad for that.

          • greengecko007

            I’m not trying to brag, but my completion time for Pikmin 3 is 21 in-game days, which is much faster than the average time according to the leaderboards.

            I’ve also completed Super Mario 3D 100%. That includes beating all the levels, collecting all the green stars, and earning all the stamps. There are only like 2 levels in the entire game where the gamepad has any purpose.

          • ben

            Pikmin requires both control systems if you want to be good at missions.

          • greengecko007

            You keep telling yourself that. The other controls work just as good, or better.

            These are just 3 examples that I found just from a quick google search of Pikmin 3 reviews, one of which even comes from our very own Ashley King. They all state the same thing, the Wiimote and nunchuk is the superior controller for the game. If you like the gamepad, that’s perfectly fine. But assuming I don’t know how to play the game because I don’t use the same controller as you? Come now, let’s try and be mature.

            http://wiiudaily.com/2013/08/pikmin-3-review/

            http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/07/pikmin-3-wii-u-review/

            http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/wiiu/pikmin_3

        • ben

          You need the gamepad to be good at Pikmin 3.

          • greengecko007

            Pretty much everyone agrees that the gamepad is the inferior control choice for Pikmin 3. The Wiimote and nunchuk let you aim and move at the same time. You’d think this would also be possible with the gamepad, since it has two joysticks, but it’s not.

          • ben

            Urm, you don’t know how to play pikmin 3. You need both control systems to play that game. You need to micro manage the other two players with the game pad while controlling one player with the Nunchuk and wiimote.

            You should have worked that out by now Mr. 21 days. I did it in 13 days mate. I’m not even that good. There are people who can do it in 8.

          • greengecko007

            You don’t “need” the gamepad at all to play the game. The Wiimote and nunchuk has been called the superior controller by nearly everyone. If you like the gamepad, that’s fine.

            “You should have worked that out by now Mr. 21 days. I did it in 13 days mate. I’m not even that good.”

            Ha, I knew that if I told you my personal best you’d take it as bragging. If you completed it in 13, great, but that would make you a very good player, as the average time to return to Koppai with all the fruit is around 40 days.

            “There are people who can do it in 8.”

            That’s a given. The fastest time without glitching or exploiting any of the Pikmin games is 8 in game days. It’s a reocurring theme.

          • ben

            You do need the game pad if you want to play the game how it was designed to be played. It can be played by stupid people, like your self with just the Nunchuck and Wii mote, and it can be played by Real gamers, like everyone else with more than 3 brain cells, with both. You should try it and see how much you can improve.

            It took me 25 minutes to work out that you could micro manage using the gamepad, you completed the game without knowing that. You must be really low in the old grey matter.

          • greengecko007

            It’s people like you that I quote whenever people say Nintendo fanboys aren’t as bad as Sony or Microsoft fanboys, or that Nintendo fans are more mature. Stay strong Nintentroll!

          • ben

            Are you crying?
            You flamed about how the gamepad has no functionality I proved you wrong. Now go do whatever it is people like you do when again you find out you are wrong. Sony and Microsoft fanboys have lower IQs and nintendo fans make you look stupid. It is not our fault. You could blame your parents, it might be genetic?

        • oontz

          Don’t mind him he’s kinda slow, and has no real control over his condition.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            There’s no kinda in this case.

          • oontz

            Very true.

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      I’ll just continue using the Pro Controller. Gamepad is limited.

      • David Trail

        Zombi U, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter Ultimate, Wonderful 101, Game and Wario, Lego City Under Cover, Nintendo Land all make great use of the game pad.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          I have Wind Waker HD. The controller bring little new, and nothing to the experience.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      this

  • Squid

    The Wii U gamepad isn’t as annoying as some people think, it’s actually REALLY comfortable, but I suppose it wasn’t all that necessary for the system.

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    I don’t think the Wii U Gamepad was a waste. I think it has plenty of potential being a dedicated Android Gaming Tablet.

    • David Trail

      TROLL

      • Magnus Eriksson

        Leave now and never come back.

        • David Trail

          Go to a Playstation site. They have so many amazing games like Knack and err Thief!

    • Magnus Eriksson

      That would be great.

    • Brian Lockett

      The day I turn to Android for gaming will be the day…well, I have a new low for gaming.

  • bizzy gie

    I wouldn’t be able to use my Wii U if there were no gamepad.

    • David Trail

      Imagine miiverse, the internet browser, Art Academy, Zombi U with out the Game Pad. It just wouldn’t be the same!

      • David Fail

        Justin Bieber > miiverse LMAO

        • David Trail

          Ha ha ha Oontz you’re nearly as pathetic as the ps4 but not quite there yet.

          • oontz

            Well isn’t that rich… sorry as much as I would like to claim responsibility for that… it wasn’t me. Looks like you’ve annoyed more than just me on here. Good job!

          • David Trail

            Sure it wasn’t you fool… Go to a Playstation website please

          • oontz

            Yeah… sorry, not me mate. You piss people off every day on this site. You’re a very abrasive individual and usually annoy many people at once. So as much as I think it’s hilarious. It’s not me. I don’t have time for that kind of childish behaviour.

            Oh and I also frequent playstation sites, and PC sites. and PSvita sites, and ios sites.

          • David Trail

            Sure, you are the one who calls me David Fail. Do you think I was born yesterday?

          • oontz

            And anyone on the message board can see that and run with it… Which seems to be the case. Like I said rarely have time to post on here as it is… No time for children’s games.

          • David Trail

            You are on here nearly every day lol!

          • oontz

            When I have time I post… but I sometimes go many days without posting.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Figured someone would mock his stupidity eventually.

  • Kevin Welch

    The key point and best question this article (Sam) asks is, “If [Rodriguez is] given the gamepad as a tool, why [doesn’t he] create something substantial?” I propose the reason is a lack of creativity. Developing games is creative but changing game-interacting paradigms is the creative’s creative. That’s Nintendo greatest strength. They redefine the box. Sometimes they stumble and sometimes they fall on their face but they are the company they are today because of their amazing successes that didn’t come from playing it safe. Playing it safe is focussing on the same games with better shaders. Innovation is the wii, the 3ds, the gamepad. All non-innovative creators can do to self-justify their stale rut is point out the stumbles of those brave enough to try.

  • Daniel Carvalho

    The Gamepad isn’t a waste of resources! People keep claiming Nintendo should remove it from the bundle and sell the Wii U for $200 bucks, but then who would buy it?! The Gamepad is its selling point, the one thing that makes Big N’s console unique front to the PS4 and Xbox One! If you remove that, all you have is an underpowered console made for the casual market!

    It is true that developers haven’t been using the Gamepad as they should, but taking away isn’t the solution, and calling it a waste of resources isn’t true. We’ve seen awesome games making good use of it (Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, ZombiU, Rayman Legends, Nintendo Land). As everything Nintendo has done with motion controls on the Wii, two screens on the DS family and 3D graphics on the 3DS, it is just a matter of how much effort developers are putting on it; and I’m sure Monolithsoft’s X, Bayonetta 2, and much more upcoming titles will prove what I mean!

    • oontz

      Yeah removing the gamepad from the wiiu at this point would be certain death for the system. That doesn’t change the fact that in some peoples opinion… That maybe it wasn’t the best idea in the first place.

    • David Trail

      Wii U is for the hard core. Ps4 is for casual/ dude bros

      • Daniel Carvalho

        Nintendo is trying to cater to the casual gamers more than to their own fanbase, and their image right now for those who only see the ads on TV is that they only have casual gamers.

        I understand what you said about the PS4, but the image they have is inverted: the Wii U seems to be for the casuals, and the PS4 seems to be for the hardcore gamers.

  • Sdudyoy

    I like the gamepad, I don’t see why so many people don’t like using it? It’s definitely better than Kinect, And no I don’t hate the Kinect I hate motion controls, that includes Wii remotes.

  • C.S. Bailey

    Sounds like he’s still pissed “Isaac Rebirth” isn’t on the 3DS……

  • Logan Wayman

    Two words, pal: You’re. Wrong.

  • ETeach

    Wow, that’s disappointing. I really liked Cave Story, and thought this guy was a genious for it. But dang. There’s having an opinion, and then there’s being an a**hole about it. This guy seems to be the later.

  • Logan Waltz

    From what I can tell, everybody that actually owns a WiiU loves the system and the game pad. I know I do. Glad I bought it. Just fucking make games now.

  • Nathan Verbois

    I agree with the writer, it’s up to ALL of the developers, not just Nintendo, to use the Gamepad in new and creative ways. Perhaps the single touch nature of the screen isn’t as cool as multitouch, but it seems unnecessary as you can only comfortably reach the touchscreen with one hand if you’re using the other features, like the thumbstick and buttons (I have fairly large hands and it’s difficult for me, so for the vast majority it’s not even practical).

    Personally, I love the Gamepad, and even if I only get off-screen play with the majority of games, I’m very much ok with that, even if it doesn’t help to sell the system to the unwashed masses.

  • blindtiger

    offtv, internet, keyboard, map, inventory, rear view “mirror”, coop (w/out split screen), scanner, scope, camera, radio comms, drawing pad, async play… useless?? i think youre lack of creativity is more to blame…

    • Blue Hernandez

      What’s async play?

      • blindtiger

        asynchronous… sorry its a long word that i can never be sure ive spelled correctly. like in nintendoland where one player is doing something different on the gamepad than the other 4 on the tv

  • Andrew Clear

    The gamepad is the best part of the wii u (and the 2nd screen is the best part of a DS / 3DS).

    Does he believe the same about the DS? I think he just wasn’t creative enough to actually do something with the gamepad.

  • Carlos Webster

    Are you serious? the Crapnect is no less crappy than the gamepad.

  • http://thediceabide.com Adam B (TheDiceAbide)

    Honestly as a UI/UX designer, I thought that game pad was an amazing breakthrough in console interface technology. No longer are you tied to the standard few input buttons, but can instead explore a full GUI which doesn’t take the player away from the game. This is definitely more on the game designers for not using the tools they have access to than on Nintendo for giving game designers an amazing feature.

  • Guest

    And Wii U owners suffer because of the lack of developer’s creativity

    • Brian Lockett

      It also suffers from a lack of…well, developers.

  • http://nintendopapercraftvideos.wordpress.com/ Sam

    Well, his company isn’t that credible, so I really don’t give a crap what he says. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. That’s why he’s not in a higher position for a different company.

  • Untrentide

    Imagine a world where developers attempted to use and understand new peripherals before outright dismissing them. Alas, i live in a world of fantasy.

  • asdfg

    I like the Gamepad. I find it very useful, especially that off TV thing. Sue me

  • TinyGreenMonster

    Love the pro controller. The game pad is a gimmick and too big.

    • David Trail

      DS4 is cheap and has three gimmicks and breaks easily.

      • oontz

        I don’t see where the OP mentioned anything at all, about the DS4. You do know what a Pro Controller is right? Man you suck so bad sometimes… correction, all the time.

  • nigeriangamer

    i think the gamepad is one the best things ever to ever happen to gaming

  • lonewolf88

    but the ps4 touch pad is genius. and it will be used in all games.

    • oontz

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      • David Trail

        Says the troll

        • oontz

          Do you even know what the term troll means? Cause you missed the mark with that one.

          • David Trail

            Nope you are pro Sony. In a Wii U article. You are the troll.

          • oontz

            I’m Pro-Videogame Dumb ass. If I was just Pro sony… would I own and enjoy playing nintendo consoles, or any other platforms? No. Do I own and enjoy playing Nintendo consoles? Yes.

            It’s entertaining to see you call someone else out for being pro sony… don’t you own a PS3 and a PSVITA that you love? Contradict yourself some more. It’s very amusing.

            Seriously discussing things with you is like trying to discuss something with a bag of dirt.

            Pointless.

          • David Trail

            Pro video game, you are a dude bro

          • oontz

            LOL, you got me there David. I am indeed a Dude. However I am not your bro.

            Curious about this term Dudebro, what do dudebro’s like to play?

          • David Trail

            Battlefield lol!

          • oontz

            So do dudebros play SM3DW? Or how about Zelda WWHD? Maybe NSMBU? I know what about the beautiful Tearaway? Hmmmm maybe all the classic NES VC titles? Strange I always assumed low bro people used the term “dudebro” to describe adolescents that only played FPS games, especially COD. Or has the definition of “dudebro” now been changed to label a wider range of gamers?

          • David Trail

            You lean towards the dude bro side more.

            70% dude bro and 30% hardcore

          • oontz

            Ha, ha. Okay then. Thank you for pigeon holeing me into the “DudeBro” category. So I assume by your logic, the only hardcore games are Nintendo ones then, right?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I would call him dumb, but I think even dumb is smarter than Mr. Fail.

          • David Trail

            You were on the Watch Dogs article saying how you are getting Watch Dogs for PS4. Nintendo gamers mostly do not care for these types of games. Which makes you primarily a dude bro.

          • oontz

            So anyone who buys WatchDogs on wiiu is also a Dudebro?

            HA ha. Seriously.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Now I see why many people have cancer in this world. It’s comments like his.

      • lonewolf88

        eh thats the gaming media in a nutshell these past months.

  • John Andalora

    Here’s my 2 cents.
    I think the Wii U’s GamePad is just like the DS 2nd screen. Yeah, it’s kind of cool, but should it really be used for all games?

    • http://its-yuma-tsukumo.tumblr.com/ Yuma Tsukumo

      Yes, and if some people don’t like that, there’s a pro controller. The GamePad adds depth to the game you’re playing, ZombiU made very good used of that.

      • John Andalora

        Unfortunately, no there isn’t.
        Try using a pro on MH3U, and the touch screen is still forced upon you.

        I think the Gamepad can have some depth, but the way it’s used now doesn’t help. While there were some things I liked with ZombiU, the whole “map and inventory” thing got a bit old a bit quick.

  • Leo

    I love the Gamepad and i can’t imagine gaming without it anymore.

  • X3Charlie

    The only problem is there aren’t many worthwhile games (To my taste)at the moment. My Wii U is sitting over there, waiting for more Zelda’s and Mario Karts and any other game that looks appealing to me.

    • David Trail

      There are a lot. Maybe you should just open your eyes!

      • X3Charlie

        I’m sure there are, I just meant to my preference and affordability. I don’t have the money right now to experiment with a bunch of games.

  • HydePark1980

    I personally believe that if you haven’t actually created something from the ground up on the Wii U, you’re not really in a position to bitch about it.

  • Brian Lockett

    The GamePad is the only modern game controller that best allows for MMORPG, point-and-click, and RTS games to be enjoyed on a console environment.

    It’s gyroscopic viewing features (moving the controller around to see a different view on the secondary screen) allows for a greater level of simulation depth, If a developer so chooses, imagine things like panning closely around your television with scanning in a Metroid game or having a mecha that pivots its view independently from its body orientation to quickly spot an enemy on your actual right–that’s novel stuff, but nice touches possible with the GamePad..

    It’s also the only console controller that allows for strategic usage of secondary visual information, such as keeping secondary information off-screen, along with direct-input touchscreen controls to compliment traditional physical-button controls, which allows for things like quickly drawing routes on the screen to direct your team.

    For the first time, we can do things like survey our teammate’s camera view on the smaller screen while maintaining our own view on the big screen and quickly search the web while we’re gaming. And we can continue gaming away from the main situation of the living room, for moments we need to step away or share the television but still want to continue gaming.

    If anything, the GamePad is a more than capable controller that leaves you more room to be innovative and creative than what was previously possible. It has the advantages of traditional controls, the added touches of physics-based controls, and the benefit of direct-input touch controls.

    It’s a basic control design that, at times, can offer something that even keyboard-and-mouse don’t. Imagine reducing much of the on-screen UI clutter in which MMORPGs are notorious for using, all kept cleanly on a secondary screen, and the different UI menu options available as directly as a touch instead of a panning of the mouse cursor, all while making available traditional controls which are far more comfortable to use for navigation and attacking than keyboard keys. That’s just one example of the unique control scheme the GamePad allows..

    The problem isn’t so much the GamePad. The only real problem is that developers need to grow an ounce of imagination about themselves.

    • Brian Lockett

      With this all being said, I do wish that Nintendo had given the GamePad every better advantage, such as better trigger buttons that feel better with response (trigger buttons should feel like, well, triggers), support for up to four GamePads, and at least present the option multi-touch version of the GamePad available. I would’ve done whatever it took to make the GamePad a premium choice in gaming.

      • oontz

        So where are these next level Nintendo games that make full intuitive use of the gamepad? I mean Nintendo did create the gamepad so shouldn’t they be the ones showing the world why it’s the future of gaming. So far the best use of the gamepad I have experienced to date is with zombie u. Not a single Nintendo title has shown me why this input method is the future of gaming.

        • David Trail

          Zombi U, Lego City Under Cover, Zelda Wind Waker HD, Monster Hunter Ultimate, Nintendo Land, Game and Wario, Wonderful 101.

          • oontz

            I’ll state again…

            “where are these next level Nintendo games that make full intuitive use of the gamepad?”

            I already mentioned Zombie U. Other than that there is nothing Intuitive of the gamepad use in the other titles on your list. Items and map allocation are not intuitive.

          • David Trail

            Look above

          • oontz

            Sorry other than Zombie U the other titles don’t make use of the Gamepad far beyond item selection and map duty. Nice try again though.

          • David Trail

            Troll

            Scanner in Lego City
            Finger print scanner in batman
            Zelda/ monster hunter map, item selection, clears screen of clutter
            Game and Wario has one of the best mini games ever
            Nintendo land Luigi mansion mini game and the Mario one could not be done without the game pad
            Wonderful 101 also has cool puzzles that use the game pad
            I also use the game pad to draw on miiverse verse and in art academy

          • oontz

            Hey would you by any chance live in Australia?

          • David Trail

            No

          • oontz

            Are you sure? I have met many Australians before and you seem to act exactly the same way as some of them. It’d just be interesting you know.

          • David Trail

            Ha ha talk about putting people into groups lol!

          • oontz

            Sorry it’s not meant in disrespect, I’ve actually been to Australia many times. Lovely country and people.

            No different from saying Canadians speak in a similar way, or any other country for that matter. Not saying it’s a bad thing.

            Of and the Australian Zoo is one of the best in the world, just FYI.

          • Brian Lockett

            I don’t mean to distract from your point overall, but to use “…clears screen of clutter” for Wind Waker and Monster Hunter 3 is kind of a stretch here, considering that neither of those two games used terribly-cluttered interfaces on-screen to begin with.

            Monster Hunter’s minimalistic on-screen indicators were original pretty sparse before Monster Hunter Ultimate, and the on-screen indicators in Wind Waker weren’t distracting–in fact, I prefer seeing the buttons map on-screen.

            Item selection being a nice and more noticeable benefit in these two games, sure, but they’re probably not the best example of games with “on-screen clutter.”

            I mean, I do agree with the point about the GamePad being useful towards reducing screen clutter, but these two games just aren’t particularly strong examples for that point.

            If anything, I think that’s exactly Nintendo’s big issue here–they need games that truly showcase the significance of such a reduction to games that otherwise would be of higher obstruction of one’s view.

            It shouldn’t be just a few games moving the Start menu to the GamePad screen, but more having games that exhibit this features with significant benefit. That’s what’s really going to sell this point more.

            I only say all of this because I hate to see a good point suffer from a rather bad examples, simply because they’re the only examples around at the moment. The public see weaker examples of this point, and too readily discount all such usage as mere novelty.

        • Brian Lockett

          Hey, you have no argument from me there. I only made a point about the potential of the GamePad. I’ll be first to tell you Nintendo needs to step it up with for themselves.

          • oontz

            I agree the potential is there… but very rarely utilized so far.

  • Michael Mangao

    Relax Mr. Journalist. He (Like you most of the time) is just giving out his opinion.

  • ben

    I want a developer to make an RTS that runs at the same time as an Action game. I want to be a general in the war while ordering my troops around on the second screen. I really want to see this kind of game. I love both RTS and Action games.
    Mix it someone please!!!
    They did sort of do it with Pikmin 3 where you could send people with the touch screen and control someone with the controller/wiimote, but they could easily go full realtime. I

  • Trevor

    Just wait until more RPG’s come out. The Game Pad is PERFECT for those kind of games and as soon as the new Zelda/X games come out, people will be praising Nintendo’s ingenuity.

  • Ryan

    This is pure trolling. The gamepad is superb. Pikmin 3, looking for your remaining pikmin at the end of the day, using your finger to swipe around the map.

    I have drawn a few mediocre pictures using Art Academy, this is an excellent use of the gamepad and it works so well. Its incredibly fast and responsive. Always fun to have a quick draw whilst others are watching TV.

    How could such a precise and superb input device be put down as being worse than one which detects body movements using a camera. I don’t own Kinect so I am not going to put it down, I have only tried it once in a shop and wasn’t impressed by it.

  • http://www.instagram.com/flip1982 Flip

    For Tyrone to say that nobody uses the gamepad is pathetic, every one who has a Wii U uses the gamepad, it’s what you get with the console, you cannot use anything else other than old wii remotes if you previously owned a wii!
    Secondly Miiverse alone proves that people use the gamepad, some of the artwork that i have seen over the last few months is amazing and a great use of the gamepad, can you do that on XBox360, PS3 or current gen consoles like the XBox One or PS4!?
    Yes i’m a little dissapointed by the lack of games/third party developers etc but you have to ask the question “Why can people not be bothered to learn about what the gamepad can do?” I think that sometimes developers forget that they are possibly making the same game over and over again, take the Call of Duty francise for example, nothing against it but i wouldn’t spend £40-£50 year on year for what effectivly is the same game…
    Making good games takes time and effort something that some developers couldn’t give a toss about as long as they are making money! Personally i’m looking forward to what Ninendo has in store for us lucky wii u owners, Mario Kart 8 is the main reason i bought a Wii U in the first place, but other gems such as Smash Bros are only round the corner if you have patience.
    Sure I own an XBox360 and enjoy playing games online with folks on a daily basis but i’ve never owned a console that has made me feel part of a community from day one like the Wii U does.
    Finally the gamepad is an amazing piece of tech, how it seemlessly displays pictures on both screens is witchcraft in my book and thats not even scratching the surface of what it can do! There are so many opportunities for games and app developers to utilise this second screen it’s just really frustrating that ill informed people slate it because they can’t be bothered to develop for it!

    • Rinslowe

      “some of the artwork that i have seen over the last few months is amazing and a great use of the gamepad, ”
      Yeah, some of the artwork on Miiverse is just mindblowing… Some really talented people out there.

  • Acarie

    Personally I hate the gamepad and every chance I get I turn it off and use the pro controller. I hate how big it is, the terrible battery life especially hate how the same picture is shown on the TV and the gamepad why do I need two screens with the same image? I completely agree with this statement and wish Nintendo didn’t follow the newest big thing like smart phone and tablet gaming. Nintendo is best at doing its own thing and following this new trend bit them in the ass. And yes I have a Wii U since Jan of 2013, and have had every Nintendo home and handheld console.

    • Arthur Jarret

      Did you play Lego city, Deus ex: HR, ZombiU, Need for speed most wanted, Sonic racing (esp. in local multiplayer), Nintendoland and Wonderful 101?

      Those games had some awesome, smart uses of the gamepad.

      Off-TV is a meh feature for me, too… if I don’t want my beamer on, I’ll just play 3DS, DS, PSP or Vita.

  • Jan Compaf

    “why don’t you create something more substantial?”

    because wiiu pad is just a silly gimmick a kids tablet and a poor quality one and nothing can be created for it

    • David Trail

      Zombi U is awesome with the game pad. Wii U could do with some more horror games.

  • Aiddon

    considering how he then went on the GoNintendo forums and started throwing a tantrum like a freaking five-year-old, I find it hard to take anything this man says seriously

  • Richard Branches

    It looks like this developers complaining about the gamepad are lazy, they want everything ready so they don’t have to strive for something new or better than they’ve done before.

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    Mr. game developer, if you (not us) are given the GamePad as a tool, why don’t you create something more substantial?-Sam Wagner

    That is an excellent question Sam-one that many AAA devs have to answer to for not coming forth to develop for Wii U.

  • Misfit410

    The Gamepad makes the WiiU one of my most played systems, as when the wife, or as I call her “she who must be obeyed” wants the TV, I can keep on playing.

  • stealth20k

    Talked to him about it on twitter and he is welcome to his opinion, but he is wrong.

    The Gamepad is the same if not better than a regular controller.

  • Drewtlo

    Who is this guy, and why am I supposed to give his opinion any credence? Also, now that he’s voiced his opinion, why am I supposed to support his games?

    • David Trail

      He made Cave Story. Nothing special lol!

  • Zuxs13

    I like the way you ended this article Sam. Good response. Tired of all these “developers” bitching about the technology they are given to make games on. Either make your own, or shut up and figure out how to make something worth a crap for what you are given or just give up. His games suck anyway,.

  • PatcherStation

    The Gamepad is a great addition, but it’s a bit too big when playing games on TV. £40 extra for a controller (they only come in black in Europe) isn’t worth it. But I said before launch that the Gamepad will be Nintendo’s nemesis. It must easily add around £100 to the retail price of the Wii U. At launch, I think the Wii U was around £230, so with a controller (without the Gamepad), you’d have been looking at a much more realistic price. But at the same time, most gamers seemed happy with their Xbox 360 and PS3, waiting for the release of the Xbox One and PS4. Wii U game releases have been poor and it looks to continue in 2014, even with Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2. Pricing and timing just wasn’t right for the Wii U. If Nintendo decides to have another go with a home console, it’ll need to get it right, as the Xbox Two and PS5 won’t be far off.

  • Nintendoro

    He’s almost 100% right. There is only 2 games that I prefer playing on game pad rather than Pro controller: Mass Effect 3, Deus Ex. Other games aren’t offering anything worth talking about (I almost added Batman Arkham City as a third game , but that game requires fast button pushing for combos and game pad is way to big for the job).

    • nexxus6

      Don’t forget ZombiU, that game really did a great job incorporating the gamepad.

    • Andres Marin

      I have to disagree with that statement maybe you’re just too used to the pro controller i happen to own Arkham and Assassin’s creed 4 and the gamepad works just fine for me (yes i do prefer the pro controller but the gamepad to me is the same thing)

  • Andres Marin

    I love the gamepad it allows me to end the t.v wars in my house at will my mom/ dad/sister if they feel I’m hogging the t.v I just switch to the gamepad and everyone is happy

  • nexxus6

    I enjoy the gamepad and in no way consider it a waste of money. It’s too bad that this developer can’t be creative enough to utilize the gamepad.

  • heavenshitman1

    The guys an idiot, the Gamepads potential hasn’t be touched yet, and it’s all on the devs. Nintendo are about to be porting their uber successful DS lines to WiiU, depending how quickly they can achieve this, it will be HUGE. Opening up genres that other systems won’t do. I want my WiiU Brain Training (A ground up built one would be cooler)
    Just the types of games that could be done on WiiU and not other systems, I think something in line with Zombie U but done with better production values could be epic as well. And Watch Dogs with all it’s hacking and touch device controls should be an absolute winner on WiiU by a large margain (if they put the effort into it, though ports never utilize the hardware the best either)
    Nothing wrong with the technology, just developers being lazy lazy lazy as they always are not wanting to do anything beyond the decades old dual-analogue gaming

  • companyoflosers

    i mean, you can play most games on the gamepad AND its a camera and wii remote sensor. i dont remember there being privacy concerns on the gamepad, the kinect cant play games without a tv and the gamepad doesnt actually cost 100 dollars like the kinect does. i DO wish the gamepad supported mutitouch but thats the only thing i was disappointed about. the kinect isnt even necessary, however useful it may be.

  • Rinslowe

    Well I’m no even going to pretend like I respect his comment. I’ve used the gamepad far to much to even consider that someone could potentially just write it off…
    Usually that’s the kind of nonsense you hear from people on the internet, who have never touched a gamepad outside of 5 minute store demo’s.
    This from a dev, is just ridiculous. “No one uses”? That’s the line right there… Lol.

  • Ricky__Spanish

    I just want some damn games.

  • Osiris11235

    As with all of Nintendo’s home systems since the N64, I HATE the hardware, but love the FIRST party software.

    The GamePad truly is unnecessary and tacked-on. The fact that most of the first-party releases can be played with the Pro Controller (which is how I play them) exemplify this point. Wind Waker HD, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, New Super Mario Bros. U, and Super Mario 3D World are all prime examples. That NES Remix can be played with the Pro Controller ONLY if the GamePad is already on shows that the GamePad in its case is an arbitrary constraint.

    Let’s says the GamePad costs $100 to make (for the sake of argument). If it had never been included with the console, that $100 could have been spent trying bringing the Wii U up-to-par with the Xbox One and PS4 from a hardware perspective. Then third parties could port games more easily, driving console sales due to a larger selection of games, etc. Alternatively, the cost of the Wii U could have been lowered, also spurring console sales.

    If off-TV gameplay is the main reason that people like the GamePad, that doesn’t provide a reason to buy the Wii U if you have an available TV. The resolution (854 x 480) is roughly on par with an NTSC SDTV (720 x 480), and is VASTLY lower than the HD resolutions the console supports. Nintendo could have provided the same off-TV feature as an ADD-ON, or release a new handheld with a higher resolution screen that has the same capabilities. If people can’t find access to an HDTV to play their games for whatever reason, they likely have or can obtain a cheap SDTV if they don’t care about HD resolutions.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the first-party Wii U software, but agree that the GamePad is a waste of resources. It’s only real worth – off TV gameplay – shows that it should have been made an accessory item.

  • Ace

    The ending question is really weird to me. “But then we must ask you Mr. game developer, if you (not us) are given the GamePad as a tool, why don’t you create something more substantial?” It’s clear to me that the guy feels the GamePad is *Unncessary/Ripoff* and then you more or less ask him to make something more *Substantial*? I don’t know… To me, that’s like saying there’s a guy who just hates McDonalds foods. He boycotts there foods and just simply feels it doesn’t taste good. And then a friend proposes that he should work for them. Then you’re just left with the question *Why would I do that?!* I don’t know, it just seems really backwards to me.

  • http://gentlerobot.com/ Gentle Robot

    The gamepad is fantastic, but it’s been largely ignored by even first-party games. So far it’s best used by apps like art academy, street view, miiverse and the browser.

  • Prizm

    It’s true, the gamepad is big, clunky and puts off many of the casual gamers that bought the original Wii (families with young children and older generations). Nintendo went backwards with that decision. My three year old does quite well with a Wiimote, but the gamepad is just way too big and awkward for her.
    I see the gamepad as one of the significant reasons why Wii U flopped financially.

  • LemuelColon

    The Gamepad it’s awesome, in Splintercell, ZombiU, and other games they give you lot of good options and either playing on the gamepad instead of the TV it’s good, at least I like it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMwgly Mwgly

    If they would finaly bring their tvii to europe, people would have even more reasons to use the gamepad.
    Btw. Nicalis games are mistakes.

    • David Trail

      What is the reason for Nintedno Tviii not in Europe? I hate having the icon there lol!

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMwgly Mwgly

        As far as i am informed, and as everybody would expect, nintendo still made no efforts (or maybe they did, i just assume they havent), to get partners for that. I swear to my left ball, if they would partner up with some streaming service, and they would have some kind of “pay 10 bucks per month and watch one movie every weekend” – option, i would have it in the next second nintendo made this available.

  • Brandon

    I fucking hate nicalis anyway even though I’m american. So I don’t care. :P

  • Goheels999

    Should have been optional, just like Kinect. The developers only use these peripherals occassionally, they add cost, etc that are unneccesary. Nintendo never should have moved away from the motion gaming wiimotes that made the Wii so great and simple to use.

  • Rodger_Ramjet

    I think the dude is a complete tard. The gamepad is a awesome, the WiiU is awesome and this person is far from awesome. I would put the comments made by this particular individual in the same class as EA … In other words, a bullshit talking, pathetic arse licking liar.

  • Greg

    Oculus rift will be out in due time. Virtual reality will bury Nintendo if they don’t latch on to the technology. No one cares about a little screen when you can be inside the game with vr. The wii u is incredibly obsolete. I still like mine but yeah

    • Greg

      I’ve been obsessed with everything vr lately and it makes me almost forget Nintendo exists. This could be the end for Them As console makers. We will see but the truth of the matter is that the future is here and its being run by young fresh minds

      • Arobadope

        Congrats you’re obsessed with a technology that’s been around since the 80s. You’re an idiot if you really think that’s going to lead some massive revolution.

  • PaulRuddsHair

    As noted many times below, the gamepad can be awesome. My experience with it has been extremely enjoyable – from Zombie U to Wii Fit U and lots in between.
    I totally agree with those who are saying that this particular developer obviously cannot figure out how to use the gamepad effectively! It may not be IMPERATIVE to the game play experience, but it definitely ENHANCES it. And, I love trying new things in gaming. IMO, the gamepad is far from a failure…