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Pinball Arcade dev bashes Wii U, then apologizes for his misinformation

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Yesterday there was a bit of flurry on Facebook between the Pinball Arcade developer and Wii U fans. The developer went on record saying that despite the Wii U’s status as a new console, the PS3 stomps it.

No, it’s not as powerful as the PS3 for visuals, it has more physical memory, but it every other measurable way, the PS3 stomps it.

Of course, fans of the Wii U were quick to point out just how wrong the developer is and later on, he issued an apology for his inaccurate statements.

“Those comments were made based on a conversation I had with the developer who’s been working on the WII-U version, he was unable to get the console to perform anywhere near what the xbox one and ps4 were capable of,” the developer said. “I was misinformed in that I said the ps3 was far more powerful… after speaking to him again, I was told that while the system still does not compare to XB1 or PS4, I was incorrect in regards to the ps3 comparison, and for that I apologize.”

This sort of bashing is exactly the way many consumers perceive the Wii U and now a developer has made the same mistake without doing his own research. While it’s true the Wii U doesn’t have the same capabilities as the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4, in every comparison done between games released on both last-gen systems and the Wii U, the Wii U version typically looks better. Assassins’ Creed IV Black Flag is a great example of this, as the Wii U version had great weather effects while on the high seas while the PlayStation 3 version didn’t.

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  • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

    Was thinking about picking up Pinball Arcade at some point. Thanks to a developer’s complete disassociation and lack of knowledge of the platforms he’s developing for, I might go for other things…

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      Actually don’t let this hurt your opinion of Zen Pinball, which is available on Wii U. It’s a completely different studio. Pinball Arcade is not available on the Wii U, which is why dude’s bashing is unwarranted.

      Zen Studios has nothing to do with this, so if you want to play pinball on your Wii U, feel free to support them.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        oh whoops. I must’ve confused the two. Glad to hear it! Zen Pinball seemed nice and colorful. I didn’t know he wasn’t developing for Wii U

        • Ben English

          If he was he wouldn’t have said what he did.

          • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

            True, which is why it confused me

    • Clarky

      yep, why buy something the dev doesn’t put effort into? (compared to many other rock solid wii u titles)

    • darkcreap

      Don’t let that prevent you from enjoying a game. They screwed it, but not the in an EA (malicious) way. Don’t think that man has anything personal against the WiiU. Nonetheless, he could have checked better his facts.

    • Gabe Hoffman

      I am happy with Zen Pinball 2

    • Veries Seals

      Zen Pinball is wonderful. Pick it up. Pinball arcade is on the playstation. I have had all 3 consoles. I prefer Wii U and Xbox 1. To be honest the PS4 library is very weak. I really don’t understand all of the hype about it ad the Xbox 1 has better features out of the two. But I love the Wii U. You just don’t get the same type of game play any where else.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        I agree with you. It’s something we’ll cover on the next Zorpix Den maybe ;)

  • starwars360

    Wow EA and now this. Oh dear. Lol

    Cannot wait for Mario Kart 8!!!

  • Mayoo

    I didn’t even read the article. HE IS A FRIKKIN’ PINBALL ARCADE DEV, you could develop on my toaster and it would still run smooth.

    • Pilu Skifte Grønvold

      True that :)

    • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

      hahahahahaha

    • Ducked

      Pinball Toaster 64 is my favorite

  • DisneyRadiance101

    People still play pinball?

    • ICHI

      You would be amazed. I went to the play expo for all the retro goodness and the majority of the retro machines were pinball, and there were que’s! At least I got to play Mario kart 8 and thrash random passers by on goldeneye :-)

  • jjbredesen

    This just goes to show hos misinformed devs are…. Nintendo should just share the dam specs, don’t get why not..

  • John Andalora

    Honestly, it’d be more worth your time to just play on a Pinball machine.
    I’ve always hated the Pinball games on consoles or PC. It never has the satisfaction of pushing the side buttons or actually tilting the entire machine.

  • Ultrasyd

    Dear devs, turn your tongue seven times in your mouth before speaking :D
    On an other note, Eurogamer’s advice in their exhaustive comparison test is not as optimist as you Ashley :/ So far, I can’t really find games where Wii U version typically looks better. NFS Most Wanted ?

    • jrob23

      that has more to do with the amount of effort and skill devs put towards the Wii U than anything else

      • Ultrasyd

        I think it’s both. I know I alway say the same. But well … I’m waiting for a big game from Nintendo, that shows what Wii U can do. Mario Kart is the next one. The day when they release a great open world game with details, textures, and less cartoon style, then we will be able to say : see, devs don’t know how to handle the Wii U. Even though graphics don’t make a good game. From Nintendo, I saw Pikmin, Mario, Windwaker HD, DK so far … Great games but not much concerning the technical side.

        • jrob23

          there’s the rub…great open world game. What great open world game has come out for PS4 or Xbone? Is it a game that belongs on the Wii U? From what I have seen the games that go well with the Wii U audience are on or coming to it. Pikmin 3, is 3d open world with good graphics. I realize it was supposed to be a wii game and could look better, but that is on Nintendo not being very good yet developing for HD, not on the tech specs. I’m afraid only Zelda or Metroid or X will give you what you seek

  • Gabe Hoffman

    Obviously this guy never considered that fact that Wii U has a capable GPU and a more efficient architecture. Is is really that hard to make a Pinball game look that good?

    • matthew garcia

      No its probably not hard to make a pinball game look good. It’s also probably not hard to make a sidescroller look good on wii u. Nintendo needs to hurry up and release something that proves the power of the wii u that’s not a racer, sidescroller or fighting game. They need a game with big open world environments like on x. Wished they let more information out on that game cuz we still don’t know much about it. It’s the only way to shut people up. Cartoon graphics won’t change people’s minds

      • Ultrasyd

        +1. I count on Zelda and X ! Nintendo has to show what one can do with such hardware. You definitly can’t compare a sidescroller and a complex open world engine.

        • matthew garcia

          Those are my most wanted nintendo games. Even more so then smash bros and mario kart. The only game I would probably want more is metroid if it ever comes out

          • Ultrasyd

            Same for me … Mario kart is mandatory, to play it with my wife and my son. Absolutly not into Smash Bros, so I count every single day until E3 ; )

  • Donaald

    Less powerful than a ps3 but with more RAM, huh? Seems like another idiot who never heard of a GPGPU let alone know how to use it.

    • matthew garcia

      Do u know how to use it

      • Donaald

        Yes

        • jackie

          Tell them to hire u then. Cuz nobody wants to make some non cartoon graphics on wii u

  • thedeciderU

    what an ass clown

    • CydeFxt

      LoL yeah he’s an idiot.

  • thedeciderU

    i love my ps3 and my wiiu. and all my other systems because they all have GREAT GAMES.

  • Veries Seals

    This is what some don’t understand. Nintendo does not have to prove anything about power. The Wii U is very capable of competing on the graphics side. Developers need to quit putting their lack of creativity of making great games on hardware. I grew up in the art, computer hardware, software and graphics field and I work in it today. Hardware is only a tool to help make the process more efficient. But it does not determine what kinds of games that could be created.

    • matthew garcia

      I agree with u but also showing that power sales more consoles. The gaming community believe the wii u is weak and that it’s a children’s console. Show them somethin that’s powerful to blow minds and that will lead to more sales. Truth is graphics sales which is the sad nature of gaming today. U still have to have sales to keep goin

      • Veries Seals

        Yes the gaming community is fickle. But what they don’t understand is graphics hardware help with the efficiency in which visuals are brought to screen, but it does not control how the visuals of the game come to be. That comes from the imagination of the artist. Maybe this should be better explained to those who really don’t know how it works. But I do agree that this is the way some perceive it to be. Good examples of this are the guys at UBI SOFT. There games look outstanding on every console, no matter the efficiency of the hardware. Most should begin to ask themselves, how can they, or Nintendo themselves pull off such quality, but I can not. It is because they don’t depend on the hardware to do the work for them. They make the hardware do what they need it do do creatively.

        • matthew garcia

          I mean people go to the movies and everybody wants to see the movie that has the most explosions and crazy fx. The movie that has the best acting seems to get the least views now. Don’t get me wrong there are some movies that are great on effects but have great acting also. That entertainment works the same way on in videogames. That’s why ps4 is Killin it right now. Power sales

          • Veries Seals

            I would not say that the PS4 is killing it, lol. They have only sold just over 6 million consoles and their console sales have slowed already. Keep in mind, I bought a PS4 and it was ok, but in my opinion the Xbox One is a much better quality product that I can see new types of game play on besides the Wii U. Sony is feeding off of hype right now. Yes it is true that everyone likes pretty explosions but lets look at it from another perspective. How many of those movies or pretty games are actually really good? Look at the games in the Wii U library and then compare how they rate with the games in the XB1 and PS4 library, I have to say that the Wii U games are more fun and do better on the ratings as well. Being pretty does not equal high quality or good content.

          • matthew garcia

            Everything what anybody like is a matter of opinion. I have a ps4 also and I think infamous so far is a great game and the best looking console game out right now. I say ps4 is Killin it right now cuz it only took 5 months for it to pass wii u sales even with nintendos 1 year head start. Sony passed it very fast

          • Veries Seals

            Yes, but having a great start does not equal killing it or success. Be honest, also being an owner of a PS4, Infamous is the only thing Sony has, but I hate to tell you that Titan Fall for the XB1 is gorgeous! And it also is doing better than Infamous. The XB1 library is much stronger than PS4. So if you want to go on whats what. In sales for now Sony is on top. As far as Quality Games At the Moment the Wii U tops Sony and Microsoft. When it Comes to all around better device with more Capabilities the XB1 is defiantly much stronger. So you see having the most powerful hardware does absolutely nothing for creativity. The Ps4 is a great gaming device but I would not call it is a great platform yet.

          • matthew garcia

            I don’t think x boxes library is much stronger. They practically have the same games lol. They have titanfall which is multiplat. Xbox 1 sales vs ps4 sales only and infamous sales are beating it pretty easily

          • Veries Seals

            I am not a betting man, but if I were. I think Nintendo will remain steady and do very well. They are quickly becoming the Favorite of indies. It will have the largest indie base, which means tons of potential to have the most exclusives. This will help some of those small indie developers to become major developers. They Will replace the EA’s and Bethesda’s over the coming years. Nintendo has the the standing to make them into real players in the industry. They are successful and stable and have been around since the latter 1800′s. Microsoft just has too much money to fail in anyway. They could really sell the XB1 for Pennies and quickly grow there console base and take Sony complexly out of the game. The Only struggling company here is really Sony. They have to sink or swim at this moment. They have tons of financial issues and even with the PS4′s great sales they are still having to lay people off. Nintendo, nor Microsoft are deep sixing employee’s to stay afloat. Are you sure you want to keep betting on Sony?

          • matthew garcia

            I love nintendo and microsoft as well but nobody will pay 300 or 500 bucks for a indie machine. Cell phones have been the best place for indies so far. Sony is in big trouble but that doesn’t mean the play station brand will die Cuz it wont. Some company will definitely buy it cuz they know it sales

          • Veries Seals

            Yes, I agree. I don’t think it will die anytime soon, but it is wounded, even though most of the industry try not to admit it. Don’t get me wrong. I love the PS4, but if I had to give my honest opinion. Side by Side, the XB1 just does way more plus deliver a great gaming experience. I have to disagree. almost 6 million people has bought a Wii U and it is a great machine and is becoming stronger as an indie machine. Hell I bought 2 of them and I am proud of it. I plan to buy a 3rd. Sony is a hell of a brander. They truly know how to advertise, but Nintendo and Microsoft are two juggernauts that is going to be tougher than they think to run over. Just saying..

          • matthew garcia

            I agree I hope ps4 doesn’t destroy everyone like they did in the Ps2 era. I hope there is competition from all consoles. Creates better games

          • Veries Seals

            Totally agreed. But I will say the PS4 is a very nice console, just giving the attributes of the other consoles as well. They are all great consoles.

          • matt

            No Sony can sell as many units as ps2 Nintendo will keep building new studios and bring us WiiU gamers the goods aren’t Sony going bust right now ????

          • matthew garcia

            Wow u sure like following my comments. Sorry I’m not guy dude

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I know I do. Never count Sony out. Even Nintendo nearly went bankrupt back in the early 80′s. Lol. Personally speaking, I think people exaggerate this quite often.

          • Veries Seals

            Hell, I think everyone was broke in the 80′s lol

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It was before the video game crash in ’83.

          • uPadWatcher

            You mean “Never count junk status out”? LOL I kid, Danny Gonzo.

          • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

            Wrong. There are no record of Nintendo ever going even near bankrupcy. Early eighties Nintendo was making lot’s of money out of Game & Watch, which they used to create Famicom. There was a lawsuit from Universal and Coleco in the eighties, where they were after royalties, that’s all. No harm done there. Get your facts right. –> http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Nintendo

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Look in the section of years 1965-1977. It says that they were in deep debt, which means they were close to going bankrupt if things didn’t turn around soon. I was correct there. It’s certainly recorded. Donkey Kong was the biggest success and put them on the radar. That released in 1981, which is before the video game crash. Game and Watch didn’t take off until after the success of Donkey Kong. The rest you are correct on pertaining to lawsuits, but that was off topic nonetheless, and have been aware of for years. Perhaps you need to read a bit better and get “your” facts straight.

            http://classicgames.about.com/od/history/a/NintendoHist1_3.htm

            It helps to research a bit more than just a wikia. Have a nice day.

          • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

            It’s a bit of a long shot to talk about bankruptcy IMHO if by the time they were investing, opening new plants and looking for new areas of business, but I can live with that interpretation.

          • matthew garcia

            I’ll keep betting on Sony cuz I like the games better. I like uncharted the last of us god of war better then halo and gears of war. That’s just me though

          • matt

            But last gen you Sony gamers were saying sales don’t say which console is best ????? NOW SALES MEAN EVERYTHING NOW YOUR PS4 IS CRAP……

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Nice job generalizing. Now perhaps you may want to play nice with your keyboard and not pound the keys so harshly? ;P

          • matthew garcia

            I’m an every console gamer. You can only afford one

          • matt

            You don’t listen mate i owned a ps4 and sold it so stop with that rubbish i earn £40,000 a year i choose what i buy i can afford lots of things it doesn’t mean i buy them I’m 34 you sound like a kid talking about parents……??

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            You’re 34? I’m not buying it. Lol.

          • matthew garcia

            Also the multiplat games look better on ps4 and run smoother then xbox 1

          • Veries Seals

            lol, I guess you mean as far as frames per sec. I honestly don’t need 60 FPS to enjoy a game. To be honest, moves go between 24 to 30 fames per sec. That is more than enough to show life like movement. It really only matter in online play. Then the 60 would be good. But I have to tell you that the PS4 games does not run better in total than the Xbox 1 games. If you look at the record the PS4 is struggling to play games very well online. XB1 does not have most of the issues that Sony is having. So they may run at 60 FPS when they actually function on the console. They are having to patch most of the PS4 games just for them to work in single or multiplayer modes. Trust me, get an XB1 if you have to have one of the 2.

          • matthew garcia

            I heard problems for both consoles online. I heard titanfall has its own problems also. Ps4 plays more games at 1080 p and 60 frames per second then xbox 1. I’m not gonna pay an extra 100 bucks for a console that performs worse. I’m good with my wii u and ps4

          • Veries Seals

            If you are proud of that record then you should love the Wii U the most. It has more 1080p games than the PS4 or the XB1. But a lot of people don’t know what that 1080p means. Unless you have a 60 to 70 inch tv, which most people do not, the 1080p does not matter. 1080p is simple;y only resolution which is only affected by super large screens. There is little differences between them graphically. Trust me.

          • matthew garcia

            I’m sure u can barely know the difference but this already shows me ps4 is more future proof technically if xbox has a problem right now delivering 1080. Also 1080 was done on last gen games. It’s easy for 1080 to be done I’m sure with nintendo when a majority of the games aren’t as graphically demanding with sidescrollers. I just want x zelda and metroid. I’m not into mario and friends

          • MerryBlind .

            Ok stop right there. At first I thought you knew what you were saying, but the more I read of your comments, the more I realize you don’t.

            First off, saying the X1 has a better library of games compared to the PS4 is entirely subjective, and isn’t really true anyway since both consoles barely have any worthwhile games to play on them, whether it be TitanFall or inFamous, both are pretty standard stuff that aren’t memorable in any way, except “zzooomygawwd ROBOTS, and derp particles everywhere!”. Recommending any of the 2 based on their games is way too soon right now. However I agree the Wii U has the best library by far for now, and that is to be expected.

            As for the 1080p stuff… sigh… I thought people would get it eventually, but it seems not. Look. 1080p does make a big difference compared to 720p, as much as 720p makes a difference compared to 480p. It’s all a matter of ratio. NOT only size, but size in relation to resolution in relation to viewing distance. If you cannot see the difference between 1080p and 720p on your TV, then you are either sitting too far away, or aren’t watching proper 1080p content.

            Speaking of which, you said the Wii U has much more 1080p games than PS4 and X1, but that is simply not true. Only Wind Waker HD is native 1080p, and even then it’s 30fps. Most other games are 720p@either 30fps or 60fps (generally 60fps).

          • Ben English

            Wind Waker HD is also a Gamecube game with a new lighting engine. I mean, no denying that it looks gorgeous, but it’s not a strong case for declaring that 1080p will happen more often on Wii U in the future.

          • MerryBlind .

            Indeed, but at the same time, if it had been build from the ground up on Wii U, I’m sure they could have achieved the exact same visual fidelity, but at 60fps. I believe the framerate the GC version had is the framerate we got in the HD remake. They somewhat managed to improve the look of the game and add some nice lighting effects, but without changing the code and stuff.

            Edit: Here I’m just speculating, I have no idea how exactly the game was (re)made.

          • Falcoxcalibur

            This guy here, he speaks the truth.

          • MerryBlind .

            Thank you for your support Falco.

          • Rinslowe

            Not to rock the boat. For the most part you’re correct. But lets not use WWHD as a guideline for 30fps in a technical limitation sense. Because it was mentioned in an old Iwata Asks session that the only reason for keeping to 30 was so that they did not have to go back and rework all the animations… And that it would have been likely to hit 60fps, if that had been a key factor in the vision of a WWHD remake. Obviously given the budget Nintendo wanted to spend, together with manpower and turnaround – they didn’t think it was worth the extra effort…
            Rightfully so to, IMO. Better they set there limited resources in Zelda U’s direction instead. :)

          • MerryBlind .

            Indeed, I agree with that. All I said was that claiming the Wii U has a lot of 1080p@60fps games was a lie. I do think too that Wind Waker HD was only 30fps (with slowdowns!) simply because they ported the GC codes over without changing anything except adding a new coat of sugar on top of it. I believe the exact same game could have achieved the holy 60fps mark if it had been developed from the ground up on Wii U.

          • Rinslowe

            Don’t get me wrong, I thought WWHD was a fantastic success in remakes. And there was more to it than a simple facelift. But yeah, if they to spend the extra effort and time to change all the animations in the game then good decision of their behalf keeping to 30fps with the token slowdown prompt…

            An interesting tidbit. If you read the Iwata asks on WWHD, it sounds very much like Nintendo has officially made their own GC/Wii – Wii U emulator. As it specifically states using a method (algorithm) to nearly instantly provide “clean” HD images from the source material…
            This is also hopeful for future remakes as the teams can be small but still turn out titles in short time after planning.

            Sadly, have to wonder what is the hold up?
            A Metroid Prime Trilogy Remaster on one disk would be a great preemptive to an official Wii U Metroid title. And then later bundled in with a limited edition Wii U Metroid package…

          • MerryBlind .

            Yeah I remember reading something about that. About how they tested this with Zelda Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, and Wind Waker, and ended up choosing Wind Waker as it was the prettiest one in HD.

            I’m hopeful for a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD too. I never played any Metroid Prime game, but now that I have a Wii U, I really want to finally try them out.

          • matt

            WiiU has the most Full HD games google it why do you guys go against FACTS ?? google it and i think it stands at with indie games 11…

            Windwaker was in development for 6 months only…

          • MerryBlind .

            You google it instead. I know a lot of people claimed that, but that is simply not true. People got confused because there is always someone somewhere (often it’s someone from Nintendo) claiming that the next big exclusive is going to be 1080p@60fps, and then everybody gets excited and start spreading this shit, only to find out months later that the game is in fact 720p@60fps.

            As for Wind Waker HD 6 months thingy, I agree this game isn’t a fair representation of the Wii U’s potential. In fact, I’m sure if it had been build from the ground up on Wii U with the exact same graphic fidelity in mind, it could have been 60fps on top of 1080p, but it isn’t because they didn’t want to re-write all the codes and change everything. Which I perfectly understand.

          • Brandon

            Agree, but the wii u actually has less 1080p games then ps4 and almst the same amount as xbox. But, yes resolution is not everythng when it comes to graphics is the quality of the texture and lighting that show us the pretty graphics.

          • matt

            The crew is upscaled 1080p 30fps…….

          • Gilbert Nicks

            yea I also saw that some PS4 games that claim 1080p/60fps dont always run at 1080 or 60fps. great example is is Killzone. it does not play at 1080p when online to keep 60fps and what i understand Infamous is getting a patch to lock it at 30fps because it has dipping issues. If people want true 1080p and locked 60fps get a PC. PS4 is struggling atm to give you true 1080p and average around 60fps. Xbox One is doing the same thing ATM but instead of BSing the consumer they came right out and say we are going to run this at 720 or 900p because we feel this is going to give you the better experience. instead of claiming its 1080p and come to find out on part of the game really is.

          • matt

            So what 3rd partys are driven by money and underhand deals compare all the exclusive then you have your answer…it prob goes in this order…WiiU 1st,Xbox1 2nd,Ps4 3rd………delusional kids play playstation.

          • matthew garcia

            I’m glad I play all consoles. Too bad your parent can’t afford to by all of them for u. I live on my own and work hard and play any Console I Damn well please. U can go suck your dad’s cock some more

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Relax dude. Lol. Leave it to him to insult. You’re too good for that kind of behavior. ;P

          • matthew garcia

            Lol my bad your right I’m calming down

          • matt

            I don’t insult I’m better then that obviously you guys are not if you insult someone its because you can’t stand the truth.

          • Nothing5555

            Was that last part really necessary?

          • matthew garcia

            Yes it was. I don’t like people disrespecting me. Just read all his comments he had on me. He didn’t want a conversation he wanted to degrade me. I’m all for civil conversation but not when someone comes at me like that. I’m like that with somebody in my face also. Not just the internet. Are parents taught us to respect others if u want to be respected. Apparently his parents didn’t teach him that

          • matt

            I’m 34 mate ….

          • matt

            You Sony gamers could get a game at 10fps as long as it looks what you see as amazing you would still say its the best grow up go play some real games on WiiU……you fool.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            You sure are an angry guy. He has his opinion, and you have yours. I’d say it’s you who needs to grow up if you can’t even keep things civil. Lol.

          • matthew garcia

            Oh god I have a wii u also but my little girl plays it more then me. I just want x and zelda. No mario for me just her. If I want real games I’ll just go play all my old rpgs on ps2

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            True. Mario isn’t much my thing these days. I love the real games claim from him. Obviously an angry dude with too much pent up emotions. Lol. You usually know who are the fools when they can’t even keep a discussion civil. ;P

          • matt

            I let my little girl play wiiu i’m a big man i only play 25fps so called nextgen games yeah alright mate your really mature…..wiiu has 98% mature/teen games your funny…

          • matthew garcia

            What does playing the games of your choice that u pay with your own money have to do with maturity. There is much more in life that dictates maturity besides video games. Let’s me know u have no life. Enjoy living in fantasy land dude

          • Rinslowe

            More a testament to Nintendo’s dreadful title delay’s in 2013 than anything else on that point. The Wii U itself sold about 50% of it’s current total in roughly a third of the time it’s been on the market.
            After the launch period ended there was a nasty drought for months…

        • LordiMcKill

          I totally agree with you on Ubisoft, they’ve done a fantastic job on all of there Wii U games so far and I have high hopes on the Wii U version of Watch Dogs, i think the delay is a good thing as it shows that they are determined to make the game run as smoothly and fantastically as possible.

        • Rinslowe

          This is pretty spot on…

      • thedeciderU

        it’s been the nature of video games since nes vs. genesis, at least. bah.

      • jrob23

        So the most powerful console sells best?

        • matthew garcia

          Not last gen but this gen so far yes. Consoles only not handhelds.

        • matthew garcia

          U Also have to remember wii is no longer supported. Hasn’t been since 2012. They still make great games for ps3 and 360

          • jrob23

            yeah they dropped Wii like a bad habit. Sadly, several titles that could have come out for it were delayed so they could come out on the Wii U otherwise the last couple of years might have been decent ones for the wii

          • matthew garcia

            Wii ended on a good note with me though. Xenonblade is a good way to end it’s life

        • matt

          The perception is that the ps4 is the most powerful because they advertised that everwhere but the games don’t measure up to the statements that’s why i sold it Blackops 2 wiiu is beautiful 720p native with 2k textures ??? ghosts on all 3 looks utter shite,i think people forget that the wiiu specs never got out except it uses a custom E6760 and has a tri-core powerpc with some tech from watson ie edram and 2GB RAM and 38MB of edram thats all that got out and recently someone checked sony’s statements of the bandwidth ram on wiiu being alot less then 100GB and found when using the edram you can get 563.GB at minimum…..wiiu is in fact graphically the most powerful.

          • matthew garcia

            No ps4 is stronger. Sorry dude. Cartoon graphics on wii u prove nothing. There still good games though

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Yep. That and the 563 GB claim I don’t believe Nintendo ever confirmed. Even if it had this amount, it’s likely restricted due to hardware limits. Something to think about too. Plus, I’ve seen some better looking games like X for example and even Bayonetta 2, they aren’t even close to what I see compared to Killzone or Infamous SS. Nintendo isn’t helping it’s case by developing games that don’t prove its power.

          • Rinslowe

            “Even if it had this amount, it’s restricted due to hardware limits”

            I don’t think you could back that up, mate. Better not to assume you know the hardware limits…

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Nintendo never confirmed this, so as of now, it’s anyones guess. Whether I’m right or wrong when its specs are revealed(a big if), there’s no harm in it.

          • Rinslowe

            Honestly? If your assuming something you cannot know, based only on the reasoning that the source has not provided confirmation either way. Then I’d say that at the least making assumptions on a systems limitations while not knowing whether right or wrong is just – unfounded.
            But you’re right in that it’s totally harmless. Just not sure why you would even go there…

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            The question was pretty much answered. There’s no harm in it. Not sure what you’re looking for beyond that.

          • Rinslowe

            Not looking to take it further either…

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Just looking for clarification there. Anywho, thanks for the civil discussion.(no sarcasm)

          • jrob23

            trolling 101

          • matt
          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I read that article long ago. Nonetheless, the claim is by a source that isn’t Nintendo. So therefore, it isn’t a proven fact. As someone has stated to you, it doesn’t mean that Wii U is more stronger than PS4 or Xbox One. Not even close. Lol. You are grasping for straws which isn’t a surprise on your part. No use getting upset. Nice job looking foolish, though. ;P

          • Brandon

            That black ops 2 on wii u statment is bullshit. The game did not have 2k textures and it rendered sub-720p.

          • Ben English

            …Dafuq is wrong with you man.

            This is a Wii U website. We like the Wii U here. But there’s no denying that it’s not as powerful as PS4. That’s not even controversial.

          • matt
          • oontz

            Ha ha… he is off the deep end.

          • Rinslowe

            Um……
            Say what?

          • oontz

            Crazy… not the specs… YOU!

      • matt

        Ive owned ps4 and sold it,the ps4 has 8 jaguar cores basically the type of cores you can find in mobile devices and it’s x86 so not as scalable or powerful as powerpc there’s a reason NASA use powerpc not x86 u know,then its got the gddr5 8GB of it all producing 178GB bandwidth ram,then you have a gpu off the shelf dx11 comparable wow???

        Xbox1 had 102GB of bandwidth ram but recently got a bump don’t ask me how they did it to 198GB so more then ps4…….???

        WiiU has at least 563.2GB of bandwidth ram slightly easier to achieve higher resolutions and framerates on wiiu by farrrrrr.

        • matthew garcia

          U can talk specs all u want I know ps4 is more powerful. Not saying it’s a better console but yes it is more powerful. Nothing on wii u looks better then killzone or infamous

          • jrob23

            saying a game looks better because they add unnecessary shading, lighting, reflections, etc just to crowd the image as much as possible does not make it so. There such as thing as restraint and subtlety that graphic whores don’t understand. These are the same people that go into Best Buy and say wow look at that bright LED not realizing it’s in torch mode and that the plasma in the dark corner is much better with its subdued truer to life colors and shadows.

          • matthew garcia

            Can u name a game on wii u that’s visually better then infamous 2nd son. I’m not saying it’s a better game but can u tell me a game on wii u that’s visually more hardware aggressive then infamous

          • jrob23

            I haven’t played it. I doubt anything the Wii U has out now is more impressive visually than that though from what I have heard. But from what I have seen, the Wii U is in the ‘same area’ and doesn’t have it’s peer not because its incapable but because it just hasn’t come out with a game similar to it yet

          • matthew garcia

            I have a wii u and ps4 and honestly wii u can play any game no doubt. But it would have to be a lower tech version. I think wii u can handle infamous but a lower tech version. It won’t be able to play it full strength like ps4

          • matt

            X will be by far…….and it will have better framerate/resolution as well oh Mariokart8 looks better easily….

          • oontz

            You think this…

            Looks better than a ps4 game?
            Really? This is a bit better than PS3, but nothing like PS4.

          • matt

            Killzone is not impressive the ps3 one looks better…

          • oontz

            SUPER TROLLING!

    • Ultrasyd

      Your are right, power is just a tool. But on the other side, hardware has always been an important part of gaming. Do you remember when we passed from Odyssey and stuff to NES, and then entered the 16bit era, and when we were dreaming of a Neo Geo because it was so powerful, an arcade cabinet at home, then the begining of 3D ? It’s not only about fun, but the whole technology stuff. We are always willing to move forward to … more.

      I don’t think that power is a big issue for Nintendo themselves. But for 3rd party devs, they should be able to bring more or less the same quality on each existing platforms. This is where Nintendo has to prove that people can except more or less the same on Wii U and its contempories.
      A great gameplay is cool. A great gameplay with better graphics is better.
      But graphics don’t have to hide a lack of creativity, as you say.

      • Veries Seals

        yeah, those were the good old days. lol. I agree that it has always been a part of the industry and tradition. I think we really need to put more pressure and responsibility on our 3rd party publishers. We simply give them an easy way out when it comes to there responsibly to deliver us quality products on all of our platforms. Do you agree?

        • Ultrasyd

          Yes I do agree, but i would even say more pressure and responsability for everyone, 1st party included. It’s 2014 and when i see the shit Nintendo delivered with Wii Sport on Wii U… I’m sorry but i can make those graphics in one day. I want Nintendo to move forward too, create new IP and stop pretending they don’t have to polish their casual games for example. Games like Wii Sport and Wii Fit really lack quality, it’s disgusting. I remember back in the 90′s, we only had paper magazine, and each screenshot was the promise of new exciting graphics. I’m still very attached to this aspect of gaming, and I prefer when I say “wooow” than “meh”. To me, visuals are an art, I like beautiful things, and I feel like I’m scammed when there is no artistic research in a game. E3 will make us dream with news from Zelda, X and Zelda hopefully !

      • matt

        Yes but he is still getting paid from Sony to say its no where near ps4 come on….

        Ive owned ps4 and sold it,the ps4 has 8 jaguar cores basically the type of cores you can find in mobile devices and it’s x86 so not as scalable or powerful as powerpc there’s a reason NASA use powerpc not x86 u know,then its got the gddr5 8GB of it all producing 178GB bandwidth ram,then you have a gpu off the shelf dx11 comparable wow???

        Xbox1 had 102GB of bandwidth ram but recently got a bump don’t ask me how they did it to 198GB so more then ps4…….???

        WiiU has at least 563.2GB of bandwidth ram slightly easier to achieve higher resolutions and framerates on wiiu by farrrrrr.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Do you have a source that shows Sony paid him off? That’s quite the bold claim.

          • ETMew2348

            im not saying that they did but if they did pay him to say that they wouldn’t say that publicly.

        • Brandon

          That 563.2GB I dont recall that being confirmed and even so, thats only for the edram. The main ram has a bandwidth of 12.8GB/s.

          • matt

            Here is the link u fanboy..

            http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Memory-Bandwidth-GPU-More-Powerful-Than-We-Thought-62437.html

            Eitherway with edram you get more bandwidth ram then 178GB in ps4 in other words even if that figure is wrong its still way higher then ps4….

          • Brandon

            Im not a fanboy and you seem like the nintendo fanboy that will believe anything good about the wii u. Having 563.2GB/s of only only 32MB is not better then having 178GB/s of 8GB.

          • oontz

            “Here is the link u fanboy..”

            Says the fanboy

          • matt

            You won’t recall it your a Sony fanboy that pretends to like Nintendo as well to justify your opinion that ps4 is better ??? Idiot….google it the wiiu has stronger graphics end of MK8 is the best looking NEXTGEN game,it takes animation alot further then weve seen before all at 60fps/1080p….

          • Ultrasyd

            Lol now that’s a fanboy assertion. How can one say “this is the best looking game”. I mean, saying one game is the best looking is ridiculous. What parameters do you compare ? And the game is not even out XD

          • Brandon

            You call me a fanboy but, you will try and make everything about nintendo seem better then what they are. Mario kart 8 is not the best looking game out for next gen, and wii u does not have a stonger graphics end compared to it competition.

          • ChariotMan7

            Brandon you’re an idiot. That’s what the edram is there for. It has access to the cpu’s brandwith to make it run at high speeds. Please do your research before you talk!

          • matthew garcia

            I’m sure actual developers know more about wii u then anybody commenting right now. A majority of developers thinks wii u is underpowered and when nintendo itself doesn’t show off anything but sidescrollers with cartoon graphics it’s hard to have proof that wii u is the most powerful console out there. I’m not convinced on that yet. I’m sure even xbox 1 could easily play mario 3dworld in 1080. Ray man looked just as good on last gen consoles as it does on wii u. Then again like I said sidescrollers prove nothing

          • Brandon

            Yes I understand that, but the wii u wouldnt be able to handle all that speed if that rumor is true. We’re not talking about cpu’s anyway we’re talking about the GPU which edram is not going to make the games have much better graphics and certainly not better then competitions.

          • ChariotMan7

            Once again. Do some research. The Wii U’s GPU is base between the Radeon 5000 evergreen and Radeon 6000. NorthIslands. The game project cars. The Wii U uses GPL 4.3 the XBox 360 can not use that you know why. Because that feature is only in the Radeon 5000 and up. Not even PS3 can do it. So that prefectly shows the Wii U is more powerful. I’m going to go the lim and say it’s generations ahead of the PS3 and Xbox 360.

          • Brandon

            Are you confused? I never said that the wii u is weaker then last gen. We we’re talking about the edram and GPU.

          • ChariotMan7

            THAT”S THAT SAME THING I WAS TAKING ABOUT. SO HOW AM I”M CONFUSED!. and By the way the PS4′s Brandwith is 178 GB Total brandwith for the PS4 “Total” not for each core of 8 GBs. The Wii U has 563.2 GB Total Brandwith from the eDram. which the PS4 even doesn’t have. But Still we all know the PS4 is a lot more powerful than the Wii U. We all kmow that and the XBOX 0NE. and I’m hearing even they have more Brandwith the PS4 Lol.

          • Brandon

            Yes I know it total, but even though the ram is slower theres way more to work with. 32MB is nothing compared to 8GB even if its 3x faster. Out of the three the ps4 does have the slowest ram, just not main ram. Xbox ones esram has a peak of 209GB/s.

        • matthew garcia

          Sorry man your living a dream right now. Nintendo never confirmed that. If that was the truth I’m sure nintendo would have mentioned that advantage along time ago. Your an idiot

          • Stal Lion

            @matthew garcia
            Nintendo never discloses or confirms any specs to their console. WII U has different architecture CPU + GPGPU(General-purpose computing on graphics processing units). Direct port of software being created for other platform hasn’t truly used WII U ‘s architectural potential. It’s CPU is lesser than others but GPU also executes coding with super fast bandwidth (almost 50X, THAT’S 563.2GB) with SIMD. PS4/Xbox1 games are developed the same way as PC. here is an article about WII U hardware http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Memory-Bandwidth-GPU-More-Powerful-Than-We-Thought-62437.html
            video demonstration GPGPU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P28LKWTzrI
            or nice detail about GPGPU. http://www2.latech.edu/~box/hapc/intro_gpu.pdf

          • Rinslowe

            You mean since Wii… So last two home systems only.
            Gamecube and back all had specs released…

          • matt

            Wow the gpgpu painting was 1000 times better then the cpu painting….wiiu will prove these fanboys wrong before the year is out…..

          • oontz

            L O L

        • Ultrasyd

          Yeah, easier by far. The reason why Nintendo makes 720p sidescrollers and Assassin’s Creed IV is 1080p and 60fps all the way on PS4. Seriously, wait for the games and don’t make such statments unless you are developing yourself on such consoles right now. It’s just numbers you know ? The important matter is the visual quality of the games and their performance. I don’t say that the Wii U is weak, nor that PS4 is better. We’ll judge by the games : ) Have fun with you Wii U everyone !

        • ChariotMan7

          Lmao. Real talk man. That’s that #eDram which the PS4 and Xbox One don’t have. I know that Pinball dev looks stupid now saying the PS3 brashes the Wii U in Power, and now it’s the other way around LMFAO!

    • bistricky

      So right Veries …. well said. Cheers :D

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Doesn’t determine what kinds of games can be created, but hardware also limits to how far you can go with your creativity. So far, Wii U hasn’t shown much in comparison to their rivals. It certainly does have to prove power, otherwise, third partie will give it the cold shoulder. Unless you’re okay with just a 1st party console with little third party, then power to you.

      • Rinslowe

        This is not really accurate.
        There are a few decent examples of Wii U’s performance being “good enough”, even in comparison to the other two next gen systems. This is not the determining factor in “how far you can go” anymore. Both 360 and PS3 are still providing comparable experiences and next gen systems have so far only marginally expanded on those formulas, through visuals. So not only does Wii U posses those comparable titles, there are also a few like Zombie U, Deus EX, Rayman, W101, NFSMW U etc.. with gameplay mechanics – via the gamepad, which positively differentiates the overall experience from those other consoles…

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I was talking about in terms of visuals, not gameplay mechanics. I should have made that clearer which is what some have been talking about on here. Gameplay mechanics I won’t get into. Though when it comes to visual details, your creativity can only go so far if the hardware isn’t strong enough to handle it. Of course, this depends on the art direction.

          • Rinslowe

            I think you’ll agree that a pretty looking PS3 game like TLoU. Is still a pretty game even after playing Shadowfall on PS4 or Infamous…
            It’s just not as pretty…
            Undeniably the visuals on next gen systems are overall more advanced due to better hardware. But it’s no longer about the polygons.
            More so about the bandwidth, supported features and shading capabilities. This is where next gen has a clear upper hand.
            But if you want to compare feature sets, although subtle it may be. Wii U is certainly comparable.
            When people unfairly speak of lazy dev work on Wii U ports, it’s a shame. But when you look at the confirmed supported feature set the console has available, it’s equally a shame to see so much potential not being utilised. Speaking more so for third party here.
            But even a slight resolution and texture bump with permanent V-sync is nothing to scoff at. And that is mainly from one single area not related to the consoles supported feature set.
            If you want to talk comparable, then look at Kart 8. DOF is greatly used. Beautiful lighting and robust vibrant character models in 1080p 60fps. Should be enough to answer that question and put the debate of a bottleneck riddled system to rest. And yet here we still all are…

          • jrob23

            it won’t. Trolls will still point to it being a kid game using cartoony graphics, as if ‘realistic’ shooters are the only way to be graphically impressive. Considering gameplay and graphics, the Wii U is just fine. Anyone saying otherwise is a butthurt dev or troll and arguing with either is pointless.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            “it won’t. Trolls will still point to it being a kid game using cartoony
            graphics, as if ‘realistic’ shooters are the only way to be graphically
            impressive.”

            Just as people who feel PS4 and Xbox One are only about realistic shooters and graphically impress. Sounds to me, you’re doing the exact same thing that these so called trolls do.

            “Considering gameplay and graphics, the Wii U is just fine. Anyone saying
            otherwise is a butthurt dev or troll and arguing with either is
            pointless.”

            Wii U’s graphics are fine, but they certainly aren’t in the same area of PS4 or Xb1, which is what developers have been talking about. They are entitled to that and there is nothing wrong with it.The only butthurt I sense, is the ones who get so easily offended by a point of view of developers and trolls.

          • jrob23

            except I don’t say Xbone and PS4 are only about fps shooters. PS4 especially will provide a much great variety of beautiful games besides shooters. So, no, I don’t resort to those types of statements.
            you stating the wii u graphics aren’t in the same area is just more trolling and I won’t respond to that

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s because they aren’t in the same area. It’s not a huge gap compared to Wii vs 360/PS3, but they are certainly noticeable. If you feel an opinion that’s different than your own as trolling, then there is clearly a problem there, and it certainly isn’t me. I’ll leave it at that since I know how you are there. ;P

          • matthew garcia

            I agree with u to a point but I’m sure those shooters or any open world active 3d environment game shows more off then a sidescroller racer or fighter that wii u has. Wii u hasn’t really showed anything in that department yet. They need x badly. Even then we know nothing about that game

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Yep. X better be shown at E3. It’s about the only game that shows off a 3D environment. I have a feeling, it isn’t going to release this year.

          • jrob23

            I agree, Nintendo needs this to be their Wii U showcase game (or Zelda U) and I don’t see them having it ready as they are woefully behind with HD this gen

          • Rinslowe

            Woefully behind in terms of releasing their titles, sure.
            But I think based on every first party title released since Pikmin 3, they’ve found a sweet spot in HD development…

          • Rinslowe

            If Zelda U gets a reveal during E3 then we’ll see what the console is truly capable of. Judging off of Kart and considering Zelda has confirmed to have the largest team and budget on a game made by Nintendo to date, then I think it will be surprisingly pretty to look at…
            Although you saw what Monolith Soft did with Xenoblade on Wii. They also made a mention that X should be the title to push Wii U graphically. They certainly have the talent.
            But until more gameplay footage is shown of the game in it’s final forms then the early judgment could vary on widely by person watching it…
            All the early footage was a definite step up from last gen, again though in subtle ways. But the latest combat feature wasn’t too flattering. Arguably though you could find area’s like that on any open world PC title as well…

          • oontz

            “But the latest combat feature wasn’t too flattering”

            This!

          • Rinslowe

            The point being too early to judge if the footage does indeed change the visual potential…
            Obviously it was mean’t to outline the combat more-so than show off the game world or any of it’s size, features etc…
            And as mentioned, unflattering area’s can be found in any open world title, on PC or otherwise. And doubly so in footage that likely still does not represent the final product.

            No point in saying “this” while only referencing a single line in the sentence…

          • oontz

            “No point in saying “this” while only referencing a single line in the sentence…”

            I was just agreeing with your point, no need to be a dick.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            He tends to be a sensitive guy. Expect responses like that. :P

          • Rinslowe

            Yeah I admit. Was on a tangent…
            Sorry mate.

          • matt

            If Timesplitters4 was exclusive built on Cryengine 4 and looking better then anything out there and you would still say but ps4 is more powerful….u guys just get sucked into Sony’s PR crap……..haha,honeymoon period is over in may lets see what gamers think has the best graphics when its out……

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Not sure why you’d bring that one up. Lol. Grasping for straws isn’t helping your case. Plus, that game is postponed indefinitely, so might want to find something new to make your point. Instead, they are allowing a fan-made game called Timesplitters Rewind to be made. It’s releasing on PC with a PS4 port mentioned to be in the works. May wanna keep up with the news. Google is your friend. You silly fanboys bring up the funniest arguments. Thank you for the entertainment.

          • jrob23

            Pikmin 3 did but I get what you are saying. X should be that game that comes as close as possible to providing that visual experience people need to compare to other consoles of this gen

          • matt

            Google it Mariokart used insane polycounts it’s just as taxing on the hardware as second son easy all the animation as well….

          • Rinslowe

            True. It’s unfortunate that the majority of critics would like to point to Karts artstyle. But there’s a lot more going on in the game from the footage provided than just the art style on a technical level. Perhaps it’s that aspect which affords the additional feature set usage in the first place. But that could have been in line with Nintendo’s performance target from the start.
            When it comes to realism, Wii U does ok… All the fanboy anti is boring.
            I was recently on a project in Australia for a month and came across AC4 second hand for only $25 AUD and curiosity sold me on the spot. A steal IMO. So I picked it up and found it to be pretty alright. Compared to PC it’s not so comparable visually. But for the topic, it’s certainly capable of providing realistic visuals. A port no less. And like PS3 last gen, exclusives will raise the ceiling on performance again. It’ll be interesting to see by how much is possible.
            I know a lot of people are critiquing Bayo 2 early. But it seems to me that it’s performing better than last gen in resolution, textures, draw distance, lighting + other effects and frames per second. It’s subtle but it’s there. And that’s really this generation in a nut shell.
            I game mostly on PC for multiplats for obvious reasons. So the enthusiast to high end PC gamer knows where the ceiling is on performance already…
            Where it matters now is in the experiences each company brings with their franchises. Visuals is a done debate at the top end…

        • jrob23

          well said

      • jrob23

        huh? Wii U has more variety and number of quality titles than either Xbone and PS4 that show its capabilities. Your comment makes zero sense

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          It makes plenty sense. I’m not talking about the quality of titles, but the graphic fidelity of these games, which is where the power talk is being talked about. You’re also forgetting that Wii U had a head start, but in time, the variety comparison will no longer be a topic. Also, quality is subjective as I’m sure you’re aware of. Since you went off topic rather than understand the point of the post, your comment makes zero sense.

          • jrob23

            still make no sense. you said in comparison with graphics. Yet Wii U has most multi plat games and hangs right with them considering I doubt the devs put all that much effort to make it the best it can be. So wrong there…again. COD, Batman, AC, Rayman Legends…none of those looked worlds better on the others considering dev effort. Seeing Kart footage and Smash appears to me to be as nice looking as anything they have as well. Really, there’s good trolling and bad trolling and you just troll poorly Daniel

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I never said Kart was a bad looking game, or Smash for that matter. As for saying it’s better than anything they have, well….that’s a matter of opinion. To each their own there. There’s good discussions, and there’s bad discussions with those who clearly miss the point. Or those who just don’t like a different point of view. You just have a poor understanding jrob, or perhaps it’s because you do a poor job at covering up your trolling tendencies. Either way, I know I won’t get a decent convo with you due to your grudge you clearly display. Bye bye now. ;P

        • Brandon

          Wii u definitely does not have more variety games then ps4 and xbox one, number of quality titles somewhat.

          • jrob23

            It has fitness, dance, sports, 2d side scrollers, 2.5D, 3D, fps, party games, racing games, movie tie-ins, lego, and every single game from the wii.
            you can’t seriously be claiming that PS4 and Xbone have this amount of variety can you? C’mon at least be honest about it. How many games does Xbone even have lol

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s his opinion, and if he feels that there’s no variety for him on the Wii U, why is that a bad thing? If you think that Xbox One or PS4 don’t have variety, then you are entitled to your opinion there too. You get too defensive when people don’t see things from your own point of view. Live and learn. ;P

          • jrob23

            Listen. When people share opinions that are supposed to be based on fact like different amount and variety of games. And you can refute that based on facts. That opinion is proved to be wrong or his assumptions misplaced. Has nothing to do with disagreeing with me and how I take that. I know that is your new go to comeback but it really doesn’t apply. Saying you think KZ is prettier than Mario Kart is an opinion. I don’t have a problem with that. Saying there are nothing but side scrollers on the Wii U is not an opinion and I will refute that. What is a core gamer? Some made up word for people that don’t like Nintendo? The Wii U has covered every genre of gaming imaginable and is doing it well. What exactly doesn’t it provide except in your opinions, better graphics. Does blood and killing equate to core gaming? Does raindrops and a few more reflections off puddles and lines on someone’s face mean core gaming? It really is hilarious listening to you guys. lol

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            “Listen. When people share opinions that are supposed to be based on fact
            like different amount and variety of games. And you can refute that
            based on facts. That opinion is proved to be wrong or his assumptions
            misplaced. Has nothing to do with disagreeing with me and how I take
            that. I know that is your new go to comeback but it really doesn’t
            apply.”

            Hmmm….straw grasping. Must be your new go to comeback, eh? ;P

            “The Wii U has covered every genre of gaming imaginable and is doing it
            well. What exactly doesn’t it provide except in your opinions, better
            graphics. Does blood and killing equate to core gaming? Does raindrops
            and a few more reflections off puddles and lines on someone’s face mean
            core gaming? It really is hilarious listening to you guys. lol”

            I don’t do labels such as core, hardcore, or even casual, so you may wanna save that for someone who does. So I’m not sure where you got that I feel that graphics, a few reflections, or even a puddle has to do with it? Again, it’s that usual grasping for straws argument that you tend to bring up when none of what you mention was part of the equation. I made it simple, Wii U’s graphic power isn’t on the same level as Xbox One Or PS4, nothing more.

            Yep, that’s my opinion, and it won’t change. It is certainly hilarious to listen to people like yourself go off topic and start the generalizations. Works both ways, doesn’t it? You only do yourself a disservice by being your usual angry self. ;P

          • jrob23

            the dude responding right above you mentioned core gamer genius. you are a part of this comment thread right? you have been responding to him and me all along right? so basically this response is laughable and off base as I didn’t do any of what you suggest

          • Cdwoods

            War! War! War! War! This was a interesting read. I just don’t get why they’re calling you trolls for stating the truth. You never evn said the wii u is worse, just less powerful.

          • Brandon

            Well they both have a dancing game, more and better sports games, they have a 2d side scrolling(ps4 does have more then xbox), more and better fps, racing games, lego, and xbox has fitness. Not understanding the 3d or movie tie ins, but yes wii u does have more games and a little more variety, but it had a year over them. Wii u is not as bad as people say, but depending on the type of gamer you are is if your going to want the console or not. As a core gamer its not the best choice for me, but still I like.

          • jrob23

            so now we resort to ‘well it’s been out a whole year’ See when you qualify your assumptions with moving targets like that you can fit anything into your narrative.

    • greengecko007

      Hardware absolutely dictates what kinds of games can be created. There is no way an unmodded NES console would be able to run an online MMO, because the hardware doesn’t support that functionality.

      We don’t need to fall into the pit of thinking that hardware is the only thing that matters, but we also can’t pretend like it isn’t an issue.

    • FutureFox

      In you both in accordance with the trends and tomes of the day. Some deviation above and below permitted regarding raw hardware. That is all.

    • Capt. Smoker

      When developers keep coming out bashing it, you have to think Nintendo messed up somewhere down the line, personally, I see nothing wrong with it’s visuals and performance, yet…. I feel it’s somehow lacking, but for a pinball dev to come out and bash,… geez, that guy needs a swift kick in the nuts.

      • jrob23

        It’s only developers bought by Nintendo’s competitor and the less than skilled ones that can’t manage to work it well that bash it. There is already proof it makes great games. So either they suck at their jobs or they are paid to think poorly of and voice their displeasure with Nintendo.

        • Capt. Smoker

          On one hand I agree their incompetent, on the other hand, I have no idea why Nintendo made it complex in the first place…. I can’t defend that at all.

          • jrob23

            it is odd. But I think it’s an ego thing. We do things our way and we are better programmers and our hardware while hard for you is quite capable of making our beautiful games.

          • Capt. Smoker

            That’s probably the way to look at it, it’s a shame they don’t reach out to form other partnerships and help developers, seems their under a delusion that no matter what, everybody should support the platform, rather than make things happen, we’re blessed with great Nintendo games, yet we lack everything else, if Nintendo can do both with their next console, they’ll simply be the best.

    • ChariotMan7

      True fucking Facts!!

    • GmailIsDown

      true. but it is a limiting factor nonetheless. a strong hardware can help the developers to realize their goals and creativity. when i first played Forza 5 on Xbox One, i feel like it is a piece of art, with breathtakingly beautiful visuals, music, and realistic sound effects and haptic feedback. and then there are the next-gen version ofTomb Raider and NBA. and then i got the same “wow” feeling with Infamous Second Son on PS4. the kind of freedom a strong hardware can provide enables the developers to do amazing things. the new generation of consoles (PS4 and Xbox One) continue to amaze me.

      perhaps you don’t need anything more powerful than a handheld to create an awesome Mario or Rayman game. but people want other games as well, games that wow them, push the boundaries of technology, and do amazing things that were not possible before.

  • ETeach

    Even his apology sounds tongue in cheek. “Look, the reason I said that is because the developer couldn’t get the Wii U version looking good. It’s still not as good as the Xbone or PS4. But sorry anyway.” XD

  • ActivesiN

    what a misinformed useless dev, ill make sure never to buy a game from these tools

  • jrob23

    In summation: He overheard his inept friend complain how he was having trouble accessing power from the Wii U as he is an incapable developer. He then decided to spin that as the Wii U is weaker than a PS3. LOL. Then when that absurdity is pointed out to him. Instead of completely admitting he is full of shit, he half apologizes because he through in the “it’s still not nearly as powerful as a PS4 and Xbone”. No wonder he works for a pinball making company. Either he is the worst programmer ever or they did this for publicity. Too many devs have said quite the opposite and Mario Kart, Smash, Bayo 2, and others are already evidence of the Wii U’s prowess so why these devs feel the need to broadcast their lack of abilities is beyond me. It’s like a painter saying he can’t make much of a painting with three colors knowing Monet made a masterpiece with only two colors.

    • Paladinrja

      I can understand your derrisiveness but thats a bad attitude to have. He was wrong and thats all there is to it.

    • Veries Seals

      lol, being an art major i really love it. great point! They are blaming hardware for there lack of. it is amazing!

  • Paladinrja

    @overlordror:disqus
    Alot of developers are doing this, just hang out in Unity and you’ll see. Truth is if you are not on the siicon then you really shouldn’t be making statements one way or another.

    What unprecidented in Gen 8 is that IT staff (qualifications unknown) are making these statements despite curtesy or protocol of this professional industry and are comming off to those of us whom are ubiquitousy informed of availabe ISA’s as very unprofessional. Whats not confusing is that those comments are almost certainly due to grapevining.

    Alot of Nintendo fans beieve that this is some industry bias but in truth its based on knowledge no more or less different to the average enthusiast and that is a big problem.

    Due cost prohibitiveness IBM cluster processes are a first in the games industry – on top of the eDRAM faciity. This doesn’t represent a challenege to anyone accustomed to the ISA concepts, in fact the entire thing makes life alot easier, however there is alot of hesitancy over its use and this represents a deeper problem.

  • Veries Seals

    I declare it now! I am waiting on Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero, and Starfox! Bring it Nintendo! Not including all of the other games coming out that I am excited about. I love the Wii U.

    • oontz

      You’ll be waiting awhile then.

  • Rygar

    Well, I guess WiiUDaily got their three articles in for the day, so I guess they’re
    done lol. Meanwhile, no eshop update like on nintendolife.com. So here’s some
    info we actually care about:

    Wii U eShop:
    My Exotic Farm

    Wii U Virtual Console:
    Kirby & The Amazing Mirror (Nintendo,
    $6.99)

    WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$! (Nintendo, $6.99

    Wii U eShop Temporary Discount:
    DuckTales: Remastered (Capcom, $7.49 until 17th April, normally $14.99)

    Wii U eShop Permanent Discount:
    My Farm (BiP Media, $4.99, was $7.99)
    You’re welcome Ashley!

    • Yen

      There was also a mini Nintendo Direct about Tomodashi Life today. Not sure how many people are interested in that game but the direct amused me.

      • Rygar

        I actually want that game pretty bad! Then again, I’m a huge fan of Animal Crossing.

  • Rinslowe

    Another fault which Nintendo should take responsibility for…
    If specs are not so important to the experience (which I agree with, but only to a point), then why not just release the specifications from the start?
    Looking back at the whole thing, keeping tight lipped about Wii U’s specs only added to the image problems the console has faced since early last year. The continued decision to approach the consumer in this way has done little to reinforce their focus on game-play over graphics. And just opened the door to slander…
    If they had released the specs at the beginning, I’m certain there would be no iffy power debates about the console. People would be able to accept what it is, as in mainstream. And the games would speak for themselves like Nintendo planned from the start.
    Meh, to silence and secrecy.

    • Yen

      “If specs are not so important to the experience (which I agree with, but only to a point), then why not just release the specifications from the start?”

      Going by that, wouldn’t it make more sense to not release it? Since they believe it’s not important enough to the experience, why would they want to release the specs?

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        To the media, if you’re so secretive and silent on specs, they assume that you have weak hardware. We know what the PS4 and Xbox One have so it’s simple to compare. Developers like knowing what the specs are so they can determine if it’s worth developing for. Being secretive in my opinion, just hurts your image. Especially in Wii U’s case, they can’t afford more bad publicity.

        • Yen

          I was more talking about that thought process. Yea it’s simpler to compare PS4 with Xbox One, and it can be considered a bad thing that we can’t compare it to Wii U because they’re secretive with it. Another way to look at it, they’re following the same idea behind the Wii, to go a different direction than the competition. They didn’t reveal the specs because they didn’t want to be compared like that.

          For developers, yes knowing what you have is important. There’s no arguing that one. How do we know that the developers don’t have access to that information? If you know for a fact that they don’t then yea point taken.

          • Rinslowe

            “They didn’t reveal the specs because they didn’t want to be compared like that.”

            That’s the saddest thing about this whole spec debate. By not releasing the specs, they were compared in “that” way instead. Even worse.

            Better for Nintendo’s vision to just have released the specs and said, we can make next gen experiences – why can’t you?
            But surprising how easy it is to use the get out of jail free card when it’s handed to you on a silver platter…

          • Yen

            I guess I see it this way. Take PS4 and Xbox One. Xbox One is getting a lot of crap because in terms of specs it is slightly behind the PS4, at $100 difference. If the Wii U reveal its specs, and the numbers come out lower, they’ll just get more crap about it. But for now, since it’s all secretive, there’s room to debate what it can really do. But to bring it all around, specs don’t really mean as much as gameplay. It doesn’t matter how much power a system has, what matters are games that are made to their full potential.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I agree. Though, knowing what the specs are, at least puts the rumors to rest and everyone moves on from it. Even if the Wii U’s specs turn out to be lower, it makes it easier to know what it’s capable of. I believe that developers aren’t fully aware of them, especially if Nintendo is able to utilize them and not third parties. We can’t always assume it’s a lack of skill. Most times, it’s lack of understanding and this is where Nintendo needs to come in and support third parties so they too can create Wii U games to their full potential. Whatever that potential may be of course.

      • Rinslowe

        “Going by that, wouldn’t it make more sense to not release it? Since they believe it’s not important enough to the experience, why would they want to release the specs?”

        I’m certain that was part of Nintendo’s reasoning for not releasing specs last few generations as well. And at the beginning of Wii U’s release I wouldn’t have cared either way, being sold on what Nintendo can deliver.
        But now that we have the benefit of hindsight, obviously this time, it didn’t make more sense. Obviously, it hurt consumer perception due to how certain media, public and the competition used that aspect as a negative to “good” effect…

        • Yen

          I agree that it definitely hurt consumer perception of the Wii U. What I find funny about it is most people that judge technology based on specs don’t even really understand what those numbers actually represent and what they can do.

          • Rinslowe

            This is true. But that fact swings in both directions equally. And the less the consumer really knows, the easier it is to sway them towards a certain perception.

  • Sdudyoy

    Honestly if Nintendo could bring fun and creative games back on the NES or Gameboy, than they can sure as heck bring great games to the Wii U and 3ds despite how powerful the consoles are, sure they could have made the Wii U stronger to attract other developers, and they probably should have, but they didn’t, so it’s to late to complain, besides developing games isn’t about power, it’s about creativity, and how fun the game plays, I couldn’t care less about how a game looked as long as I could have fun playing it.

  • mch13

    If I was this incompetent in my job, I’d get fired today.

  • janco tianno

    It’s clear that if you want to have the best graphics on Wii U you have to do a very specific job for that. It’s not a surprise that Ubisoft’s games usually have graphics that you can compare with PS4 and X1 and Also It’s not a surprise that some games are just like PS3/X360 (e.g.: Batman AO)…because it’s easier to port.

    But it doesn’t matter if Wii U is weaker than Atari 2600… If you are a professional and work for a multi-platform games company, you don’t have to piss off any of your clients. “Oh because Wii U can’t handle even Sega Saturn graphics”… So please someone show this guy some games like SMB3DW, NFSMW U, AC4 and say “you don’t have to do something with the amazing PS3 quality. Just ask your Wii U team to make something close to these 3 games I mentioned (one from Nintendo, 1 from EA Bast…Sports, 1 from Ubisoft).

    • Quicksilver88

      I fully agree and add DeusEX to that list which has a unqiue art style but the WiiU has the best version and they did cool gamepad stuff to boot. Many fine looking games on WiiU but I agree AC4 and NFSMW look a notch better than ps360 versions.

  • Justin Bieber

    Buy an Xbox One, because Justin Bieber said so. My Beliebers approve of this comment.

  • wiimenonowiiu

    Pinbal dev who cares who even buys pinball games

  • Mr. Socko

    Zen Pinball 2 looks way better, anyway.

  • Iflywright

    And shouldn’t it be the developer’s job to know the differences between hardware? judging by his comments I’m inclined to think that he’s a paper pusher and not a tech guy. This guy sounds like that Hollywood exec who’s opinionated, takes credit for everything, but has no clue how the craft is done.

  • Billyd

    Wii U is close behind the Xbox One. Seems people just want to hate because the system isn’t considered the cool thing right now, compared to the untouchable Wii….

    • FutureFox

      Close behind a console that launched a little over 4 months ago, as oppose to 17 months. That’s pitiful and the Nintendo execs know it. Most people don’t hate the system but the business decisions surrounding it.

      • Billyd

        I was referring to Power, yes, the way Nintendo has handled the marketing, slow releases and overall neglected consumer confidence has hurt them…. When they have as good of a catalogue on the Wii U and not promote it effectively and rely on cheap social media advertising, is really perplexing. Yeah its pathetic how Nintendo has handled the Wii U.

    • Brandon

      Close behind in what? Definitely not power. Untouchable wii is right, because nobody touched it after a few years or months of owning it.

      • Billyd

        Power. Do some real research it is close behind the Xbox One.

        • Brandon

          Umm………….No its not.

          • Billyd

            Yes it is sheeplings. Talk to a Dev that actually knows what he’s doing, he’ll tell you its a drop behind the Xbox One. Why do you think Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 8 look like they could have been PS4 titles? So please don’t comment if you don’t know what your talking about.

          • Brandon

            Look like they can be ps4 titles. WTF. They look like they can be played on a ps3 and xbox 360 also. Those games dont really show off the wii u’s power, its games like bayonetta 2 and X or even project cars that do.

          • Billyd

            Facepalm… See now your just lying to yourself, if you see the games on the console, playing in 60fps, you’ll see the difference compared to lesser looking 30fps games. Hell Mario 3D literally Looks better then Infamous SS, Infamous SS looks like a slight upgrade if anything, still closer to PS3 titles. Still has that blotchy 30fps look….

            These are facts im stating, not opinions. If you don’t like honesty or Nintendo, thats on you. Like I said, talk to some real devs that know what there doing, and looking at what they’re already doing with Wii U games, and you’ll see that the console easily can hold its own…. When you get older, you’ll understand….

            Theres plenty of Wii U games that were similar looking to PS3, but theres a few that give PS4 graphics a run for its money….

        • oontz

          Not sure what research you’re talking about… was it done sober?

      • oontz

        ZING!

  • Magnus Eriksson

    Great job Nintendo fanboys. Threatenebing a man for telling the truth and then make him to lie. Dont you have any shame in your body???

    • Rinslowe

      What truth did he tell again? Stop putting down an entire fan base because one of the more aggressive ones offended you one time…

  • Magnus Eriksson

    “in every comparison done between games released on both last-gen systems and the Wii U, the Wii U version typically looks better”

    Not true at all. AC3 looked the same. The first Batman looked better on other plats. Darksiders2 was way better on other plats. Rayman Legends got a higher score on other plats. The truth is that Wii U doesnt seem to be anymore powerful when it comes to multiplats. But PS4 looks much better. Wii U and PS3 is on pair. However Wii U got some nice looking 1 parties, but so do PS. I would even say that the best looking PS3 games kicks ass on Wii U s best games.

    • Rinslowe

      What is this? An attempt to stir up a graphics debate? Lol.
      Those with multiple systems have the facts in front of them. No need to spread your opinion like it’s more than just that.
      Sorry mate. But not everything you say is in good taste. Even if it’s done with good intention…

    • MerryBlind .

      Dude… if they managed to make the ports more or less the same experience as the source, that’s because the Wii U IS more powerful. Otherwise, the multiplatform games would have been A LOT worse than what we got since Devs barely optimized their ports to harness the architecture of the Wii U. They just brute-forced their games onto the Wii U hardware.

      As for 1st-party titles graphic quality. Are you out of your freaking mind??? The 1st-party games we got so far in little more than a year are already STUNNING so imagine how they’ll look in 2 years. Finally, the ‘best looking PS3 games’ all run in 720p@30fps, while most Wii U exclusives are 720p@60fps, so if Nintendo had chosen 30fps as a goal like Sony do, their games would look even more stunning.

  • james

    Not a big deal, Xbox ONE and PS4 are much more powerful than Wii U. Wii U is a bit more powerful than 360/PS3. No news here…

  • TheSkeletonMan939 .

    Power means almost nothing, especially if it’s a pinball game. If your game needs a ludicrous amount of power to run properly, then it’s time to start being creative about how to make the game more compatible with other consoles.

    Unfortunately, games today are about how much muscle they can generate and their characters, and not about being creative and intelligent – which is why so many people are crying over the Wii U’s “terrible” processing power.

  • Cody McKrell

    So wiiu wouldve been really competitive six or seven years ago, then?