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IDC predicts $50 price cut for Wii U, PS4 lead, and Kinect-less Xbox One bundle

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In a new report scheduled to be released by the International Data Corporation, we have a new look at how each of the new consoles is scheduled to perform throughout 2016. According to the report, the PlayStation 4 will take the lead in sales with nearly 51 million consoles sold, while Microsoft will feel the pressure and release an Xbox One SKU without the Kinect. According to the research firm, this is the best way to bring price parity between the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4.

The presumed unbundling of Kinect and Xbox One, which should facilitate rough price parity between it and the PS4, should lead to a spike in Xbox One sales; assuming the console and sensor are unbundled in 2015, IDC expects Xbox One to recover and emerge with the largest installed base of any console in North America by the end of 2016.

As for the Wii U, IDC says it expects the console to receive a $50 price cut either in late 2014 or early 2015, which will bring the price down to just $250 here in the United States. Despite the price cut, IDC isn’t predicting the Wii U to make a dent in the install gap between the Wii U and the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.

The full report hasn’t been released yet, but GamesIndustry.biz was given a preview of this information.

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  • nintendope

    :(

  • Officer Raichu

    if they drop the price they would lose money(if its like 200 bucks to make then fine)

    • Santiago

      since long ago they are losing money on WiiU hardware, I read somewhere that they start making profit until you buy the first game (full price I guess)

  • Someone Cool

    Well all I know is that their are some must have games on the way. Nintendo said it was takng them a lot longer to get momentum going with their HD efforts. I bet with a clever MK8 campaign they could generate a lot of interest in the WiiU.

    • Gordon Tillett

      I hope so. Watching some previews brought out a childlike joy I don’t usually experience. The Wii U is a great system and doesn’t deserve the bad rap it seemingly gets from the public.

      • Someone Cool

        I think with even less games on the other consoles to play and not much coming to them until fall, I think a big AAA title like MK8 will be hard to ignore especially with that slick MK8 bundle launching on the same day.

        • Gordon Tillett

          Good point. I have seen posters for it in front of many video game stores. Nintendo needs to come hard with advertising on television, billboards etc. It looks like a game-changer and the more people playing, the better it will be for all of us.

  • Blue Hernandez

    As long as Nintendo survives and puts out a more desirable product next gen, I’m ok with it.

    • Officer Raichu

      yeah i feel like they will bring it there all(advertising hype) and make sure nintendo becomes king again

    • matthew garcia

      I hope so to. For now at least Zelda better be amazing like the new ocarina of time amazing. That’s all that matters to me now

    • Christian Schoff

      But I like the Wii U. It has been desirable to me ever since it’s announcement. Nintendo games that are HD as well as a screen in the controller that let’s me play said games at the same time as someone else is using the TV? He** to the yeah! Wii U easily beat out PS3 as my favorite owned console and until more exclusive games come out for PS4 or XB1 I don’t really feel like shelling out half a grand.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        PS4 isn’t a half a grand though. You’re right about Xbox One.

        • Christian Schoff

          Ok, nearly half a grand. It still only has 1 exclusive that I desire which is Infamous Second Son.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Well, it is rather new, so don’t expect the big games to come just yet. If you’re doing the waiting game, good call. I can relate to that.

          • Christian Schoff

            I want at least 3 which means they need to make a Jak & Daxter or a F.E.A.R. lol

        • MichelChartrand

          Here in Canada it’s half a grand. $450 for the console, and $69.99 for a game to go with it.

          • thedeciderU

            yeah, even in US, it’s 400, a second controller, a game. there’s over 500 easy with tax. if you want to play online, don’t put away the wallet yet.

        • Rinslowe

          Well pretty much if you want anything to play on it right?

        • Blue Hernandez

          450 with free Titanfall or Forza 5 = 390

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Not sure what region you live in, but it’s over $500 here. Well, pretty much in most countries. Lol. That and neither of those games interest me in the slightest anyway, so not sure what you were trying to do there. :P

          • Blue Hernandez

            Just showing that the system has some great deals on it right now, under half a grand. Making it a very cost effective choice for Americans, who dominate the videogame sales. :P

      • Arthur Jarret

        Also, PS4 is 1080p only…. while wii u is 720p (TV) + 480p (Gamepad) = 1200p. Wii U is obviously more powerful.

        • Santiago

          some wiiu games run at 1080p dont they? anyway, I can’t even tell and I don’t care really, 720 is as good as I can see with my aging eyes. There are other factors that are more noticeable like frame rate or even the detail in the world design, not just ppi

        • matthew garcia

          I hope your joking

        • Brandon

          Well, ps4 does have remote play with the ps vita, which displays games at 544p. So that and 1080p being displayed on your tv equals, 1624p.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            lol

        • Guy

          I’m pretty sure that’s not how it works…

        • AlienFanatic

          It’s not as simple as running in 1080p or not. The Wii-U is pushing far fewer polygons and effects at 1080p than the PS4 is. While Mario Kart is pretty, it’s only somewhat more detailed than the 360 and PS3 games were. If you compare the overall complexity of, say, Killzone with Mario Kart, it’s clear that the Wii-U is not in the same league.

          That’s not to say that the games for Wii-U can’t be pretty. It’s just that rather than embracing realism, Nintendo will probably continue to focus on stylized, cartoonish graphics that hide the lower polygon counts. I’m still amazed to this day, for instance, how good World of Warcraft looks even though it’s running a very old game engine (albeit with upgrades along the way.) Creativity trumps complexity in many cases.

          • Rich Garriques

            k moron killzone shadow fall is confirmed to be running at 900p and do not compare the newest mario kart game to killzone because mario kart looks a lot better then killzone sf and runs at 1080p 60fps. get over it

          • Brandon

            Actually, killzone runs at 1080p@30fps for single-player and 1080i@60fps for multiplayer. It does compare to mario kart(in graphics), which is actually native 720p upscaled to 1080p.

          • Rinslowe
          • Brandon

            No, I read from a post, but I should have done some research before trusting it. It does kind of make sense, since the other exclusives were said to be 1080p, but turned out to be 720p native.

          • Rinslowe

            I know… And don’t get the wrong impression. I’m not trying to bust your balls or anything like that. I’m equally as interested as you in finding out the facts about things in general. So far it’s pretty inconclusive either way. And could be either or…
            :)

            I think we’ll find out first for certain after digital foundry make a tech analysis. If they get their hands on a review copy. Or I can wait until I download the official retail version, as I have the means to confirm as well…

            Cheers.
            If it does end up being 720p upscaled, I personally don’t think it makes much of a difference. The game is gorgeous. But again, I like knowing these things regardless.

          • Brandon

            True the game does look good, and i plan on getting the bundle if its still available in August.

        • Santiago

          Also 1080p equals 2.07 megapixels in total.
          720p + 480p equals 1.33 megapixels in total,
          so 1080 is better than 720p+480p (assuming a 16:9 ratio in all cases)

        • thedeciderU

          regardless of the battle of which is more powerful, aren’t there a couple wii u native 1080 games? i know the ps4 can push more polygons, whatever the hell that means, but generally the games look gorgeous so far. so who cares?

          • greengecko007

            The only one I know of is Wind Waker HD, which is 30 fps with frame rate issues according to others. I can’t say for certain as I never picked it up, not seeing any value in a remake that didn’t add new content. But if Nintendo wants to give me a free copy of it with MK8, I will be all over it, as WW is my favorite Zelda by far!

      • Gordon Tillett

        I’m with you on this one. I love the system. It looks cool and I can play cool games on it. I don’t understand why more people don’t buy the system. If you like fun games, it’s a great system to pick up, especially with Mario Kart 8 around the corner. I’ve played Xbox One and the graphics nor the gameplay of Forza impressed me. I hope Nintendo aggressively markets Mario Kart 8 and the system not only on channels that children watch, but channels that adults watch also. I have never seen a Wii U commercial on TV but I see PS4 and Xbox One commercials all the time when I watch basketball. Nintendo has to get on it and further publicize the product.

        • Christian Schoff

          Yeah. I sadly have also not seen any Wii U commercials except for that stupid one about the parents needing to ‘upgrade’.

          • thedeciderU

            worst commercial since the game.com. actually, worse.

          • Gordon Tillett

            I just want to see cool commercials on major channels. Nintendo is fun for everyone and I would love to see an ad for it on a network like TNT.

    • swic11

      its a pretty sad state for the wii u if we are already looking forward to next gen

    • palomino blue

      “Desirability” is fairly subjective, especially when referring to a Nintendo product. We all know Nintendo as a company has the bankroll to survive even if the Wii U flops but I wouldn’t count on them not taking chances in the future. They are a creative and innovative company and sometimes that bites them in the ass. I just hope the Wii U survives long enough to see a few really good releases. Right now I’m mostly using it as an Unepic and NES Remix machine.

  • MichelChartrand

    Why don’t they predict a price cut for Xbox one to bring them closer to price parity rather than assuming a kinect-less version needs to be released?

    here in Canada there’s only a $50 price difference between the PS4 and Xbox One(which also includes a game).

    • BIG Franky

      becuz no one wants the Kinect… most people think its garbage… given this, most people are assuming more people will be interested in the console without it (Kinect)…

      • WT Herrod Jr.

        Granted but from a strategy/development stand point Microsoft would be better off leaving it in and cutting the pricing… otherwise development of titles would have to weigh whether or not the intended user might or might not have a Kinect accessory. It would be like selling a Wii U without the tablet. Now the user can’t play half the games intended for use with the tablet. I don’t know if they are interchangeable but a work around might be to sell a Kinect-less Xbox with the understanding that the user can use the one from their 360 when upgrading. No dog in that race myself, no Xbox and no Kinect. But I can see why Microsoft included it, they are trying to ensure 100% install base so devs will put features in the game that use it.

        • MichelChartrand

          Exactly. Without knowing 100% of users have access to it, studios may not want to invest too much in extra Kinect features. Just look at how many games are really maximizing Sony’s Move hardware potential, barely any and it’s not even on most users radar.

  • Officer Raichu

    hey guys the wii u mk8 bundle is doing better than ps4 and xbox one on gamestop!
    checked a lot and mk can not be passed by watch dogs or ps4
    (which will change soon)

  • Christian Schoff

    That’s a pretty stupid prediction. “Nintendo will make a price cut, selling the console at a bigger loss than before, and it will not increase their sales at all.”

    • matthew garcia

      I don’t think there going buy the price of the console but by how the market just doesn’t like Wii u. There basically saying even with a price cut people just don’t want it. Which may be true not entirely to sure though

  • Daniel Gonzalez

    I don’t think it matters who wins this war. As long as you got what you wanted out of the consoles you own, that should be enough for any gamer.

    • AlienFanatic

      It does and it doesn’t. The silly competition between players, arguing over whose system is more popular, is straight out of High School. However, reports are that Nintendo will report a loss of nearly $300 million when they release their fiscal results on Wednesday. Nintendo cannot continue to absorb those kinds of losses, no matter how much money they have in the bank. I’m not as confident that Nintendo CAN cut the price of the Wii-U by $50 unless they unbundle the GamePad or they are willing to absorb deeper losses on each console sold.

      Time will tell. I really wonder what Nintendo is going to do about its long-term viability. I’m also less than confident that the PS4 will sell anywhere near 51 million systems. Do people really find the games that compelling this generation? Is console gaming even the same as it used to be?

      • Magnus Gonzalez

        Losses are always expected the first 2 or 3 years until economies of scale kick in down the road. Because the Wii U uses less expensive parts I imagine that means they will enter profitability faster and be able to drop prices quicker. But they are a software company really and unless Mario Kart helps sell consoles they will continue losing money. Just know that research, development, marketing, and initial hardware costs are all written down and cause losses during launches. There is zero chance PS4 sells 51 million consoles by 2016. Zero

        • Carlos Webster

          Are you Daniel Gonzales’ brother?

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            yes. The only Nintendo fan in the family

        • AlienFanatic

          “Losses are always expected the first 2 or 3 years until economies of scale kick in down the road.”

          Really? Where do you get that from? It’s foolish to plan on losing money in any business, even if you can. And Nintendo’s history shows that until the Wii-U they’ve NEVER had a losing cycle like this. In fact, it’s never been Nintendo’s practice to take a loss on hardware. Never.

          Sony never intended to lose money on the PS3, but the Cell processor proved extremely expensive to produce. They had hoped to integrate it with other Sony products as well as offering it to the market as an Intel or RISC alternative, but there were no buyers. And they wanted to use the PS3 as a way to force the adoption of Blu-ray discs (which was successful) for which they received royalties. But look at Sony right now. The company’s electronics business is in shambles. They’re losing money like crazy. There’s even question as to whether Sony will be around in ten years, PS4 notwithstanding.

          Microsoft took very heavy losses on both the XBOX and 360 in the hopes that they could gain enough market share to become THE set-top box. But Microsoft has enormous resources and even THEIR money-losing practices are being questioned. In fact, Bill Gates was recently quoted as saying that he’d support spinning off the XBOX division of Microsoft if Satya Nadella decides he wants to.

          Nintendo has always been careful about making money and doesn’t take the crazy risks that Sony and MS do. And thus far, they’ve protected themselves from volatility. They can’t ride losses forever, though, because it not only undermines their cash reserves, but it also undermines investor confidence which can also greatly sap their resources as investors pull away from their stocks.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            coming out with new consoles forces companies to expend an enormous amount of resources in manpower, intellectual property, manufacturing, marketing, etc. All cost you don’t see when you buy the box at the store are realized as they are paid and factor into the cost of the machine. This is why initially they charge more for the product so they can try and recoup as much of those costs. As the technology catches up and the input costs go down (hardware, IP, marketing) the break even is realized. Some happen quicker than others. The Wii U needed one game purchased in order to make a profit when it launched. After 18 months it has to be about the same because they lowered the price which will offset any gain they might have made from lowered input costs.

            “It’s foolish to plan on losing money in any business, even if you can. And Nintendo’s history shows that until the Wii-U they’ve NEVER had a losing cycle like this. In fact, it’s never been Nintendo’s practice to take a loss on hardware. Never.”
            Ask ANY local business man if they plan on making a profit when they first open. There is so much involved just getting started as far as costs that it takes years to get in the black. The Wii U has sold miserably. Of course they didn’t plan on it being this bad but they have known since its launch it would sell at a loss. The ramp up to Wii U, the costs associated, and the continued support of 3DS costs money. You have to remember that the 3DS is only recently doing well and making a profit. It had the same exact launch problems and lack of games and sales as the Wii U. That cost Nintendo too. The Wii U just needs to sell around 20 million for them to thoroughly in the black as their games can then sell very well. I suspect that 2015 will be back to profit. Most likely that happens next quarter actually.
            Nintendo is supporting their stock with buybacks. With their long term view they don’t mind buying back their company on the cheap. They are not stupid. Buy low sell high

          • boynhisblobs

            Very nicely put. Couldn’t agree more.

          • Rinslowe

            “Really? Where do you get that from? It’s foolish to plan on losing money in any business,”
            Not to burst your bubble mate, but the other comment is pretty accurate.
            Hardly any business can be profitable out of the gate. Generally speaking 2-3 yrs is a standard time frame in most projections to start breaking even on investments and turning a profit. Depending on your financial backing and such, if you are still taking heavy losses after the 2 year mark. Then it’s back to the drawing board on strategy or maybe time to cut and run…

            Actually Sony always knew they were going to take a loss on the PS3 until the install base and software attach rate could leverage bring the cost of manufacture down. They went into the generation with that model.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            right? PS4, despite not really pushing the envelope with hardware compared to even years old PC’s did choose a more expensive DDR5 compared to Xbone. And even with choosing this more expensive cost input they made the genius decision to not force the camera on consumers (unlike Kinect) so they could keep the price more palatable for the consumers.
            I have been so impressed by their launch. It’s a different environment with more competition and poor economy so even with all that we aren’t seeing the sales we might have 5 years ago with such a launch, but as far as marketing, hardware choices, pricing, etc….they have knocked it out of the park. It started with E3 last year, it really was remarkable. You can’t have anything but respect for what they have done. Once those games come in droves (I think 2015 is going to be great year for them) sales will get crazy.
            I still don’t think they’ll get to 70-80 million though.

          • Rinslowe

            From a gamer’s perspective I admire Sony’s genius all the way from E3 last year to today. They really did nail it with PS4’s image/ hype. marketing etc…
            From a business perspective I’m not so sold. PS4 is still selling at a loss. Despite what some media outlets are incorrectly reporting.
            And that loss may be quite a bit less than PS3 before it. But it’s significant enough to in reality negatively impact Sony’s bottom line. The gaming division in total posted a sales profit of US $170+m. That’s the profitable PS3, the Vita and also including the PS4, because they lump their results in one place only. Considering at the time of the report the PS4 had sold nearly 7m consoles already with an attach rate of roughly 2.5 : 1. With software being profitable and if the PS4 was indeed also profitable, considering the combined sales of the other two platforms. That amount should be north of that figure by quite a bit. R&D costs are still likely needing to be recuperated and the PS4’s economy of scale is still not enough to bring the manufacture and assembly costs in the black either.

            Thankfully when it comes to games. I’m more about the gaming than I am the manufacturers business practices…

      • Jack

        “unbundle the GamePad”?
        You clearly never used a wiiU.

        • thedeciderU

          i really enjoy the gamepad, but i feel it would be the difference between a good many people buying the wii u vs. not.

          • Donnie

            You do realize that the Wii U can not be used without a gamepad, right? Its built into the ecosystem, core functionality relies on it.

          • thedeciderU

            yes, i am aware of the integration, and i do realize that, though i feel like nintendo should’ve thought it over more, as in being to market the gamepad as an add on.

            there are still many things you can do without the gamepad with a just a pro controller (menu navigate, turn on-off console) – so many, in fact, that i believe if nintendo wanted to move other features over from the gamepad to a pro controller, they ultimately could (of course there’d be a few games that would not function without the gamepad, but most are fine with a pro controller only). i’m not saying this is the best idea, but i think it might help sales for potential buyers who are off put by the idea of another “nintendo gimmick” – their words, not mine.
            to be honest, there are times when i’d love to browse the eshop or miiverse with only the pro controller. i’m glad to have the gamepad, but even nintendo haven’t done enough with it to warrant it as a pack in.

            i do have to say that had i not outright bought it out of curiosity and excitement of new tech and favorite franchises, i can see why many people think the gamepad is stupid having not used it.

          • AlienFanatic

            That’s programming. There’s nothing inside the GamePad that performs any processing. In fact, all of the processing is done inside the main unit. With software changes, the GamePad could become an entirely optional component. However, Nintendo’s software developers are INCREDIBLY slow to make changes, so it’s not something they could do quickly.

          • darkcreap

            No, that is not really correct. There is a dissection video of the gamepad in a hacker’s congress. The gamepad has 3 CPUs, so it indeed has processing. It has a firmware of its own, something that you should know if you had it, because in a couple of updates the gamepad’s firmware has been updated. Not just to process the video, but also to create the TV remote interface and send it to the console. Furthermore, the video and I/O messages are sent through a WiFi connection (the WiiU works like the Access Point) and it implements the TCP/IP stack, so it needs at least minimal processing to be able to use IP.

            On the other hand, in some way it is optional right now, the console will still work mostly the gamepad goes off. Simply, the video signal to the gamepad will be lost and the console will not receive input from the gamepad. What is no possible is to configure the console or use the eShop without the gamepad. Sorry, I do not buy it.

            EDIT: Confirmed. You must be trolling.
            http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/do-you-need-the-gamepad-for-the-wii-u.453266677/

          • AlienFanatic

            That’s programming. There’s nothing inside the GamePad that performs any processing. In fact, all of the processing is done inside the main unit. With software changes, the GamePad could become an entirely optional component. However, Nintendo’s software developers are INCREDIBLY slow to make changes, so it’s not something they could do quickly.

          • MichelChartrand

            I think people simply need to be educated more on what the game pad can do, rather than have Nintendo abandon it. If the game pad were unbundled, there would definitely be even fewer studios willing to invest in game pad functionality.

          • greengecko007

            It’s already basically being ignored by developers anyways. There’s no denying that there is potential for it in games, but if Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros U, two of Nintendo’s biggest releases this year, aren’t using it creatively then what hope does it actually have other than being a forced accessory?

          • MichelChartrand

            I’m personally glad Nintendo didn’t force some gimmicky control methods or odd stuff simply to make the gamepad required. Mario Kart is racing, there isn’t much they could implement that would be a drastic innovation, same with smash bros. I’d hate to see what forced game pad gimmickery could be achieved on a fighting game. This doesn’t mean the game pad can’t be used in innovative methods, such as those used in zombiu, call of duty or assassins creed. And more can be done, but they should remain not only creative, but also natural.

          • greengecko007

            I can agree that gamepad integration shouldn’t be forced and gimmicky, but simple things like the gamepad not having its own screen in Mario Kart 8 is obviously a missed opportunity.

            Another way of saying this is, if it’s not going to be used in a lot of games, why are we forced into paying for it?

          • Logan Waltz

            I’m sorry, did i hear about the gamepad not being used for multiplayer screen space?

          • greengecko007

            Local multiplayer in Mario Kart 8 still has split screen even when one player is using the gamepad and the other player is not.

          • Fred

            With Mario Kart they should have made it so that when you’re playing 2-player 1 player watches the TV while the other player watches the Gamepad. They could have also used the Gamepad to enable 5-player races. That was a no-brainer EPIC FAIL that they didn’t do this.

          • MichelChartrand

            I agree. That should have been implemented and I’m surprised they didn’t. Hopefully they’re release an update at some point to address that since one of Wii U’s selling points is the ability to do 5 player play on some games.

          • Fred

            Yea my wife and I play Wii U together and 2-player 2-screen is one of the best features on the system. We love it for Sonic Racing, Tank Tank Tank, and Lego Batman 2. If Nintendo implements this it makes MArio Kart 8 much more appealing to me.

        • greengecko007

          If I could’ve gotten my Wii U for $100 cheaper without the gamepad I definitely would have done it. It’s a cool controller, but it just isn’t used enough to warrant the price.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Agree. As it is now its just a gimmick, and a bad one too. Wii U basically got no games that proves the pad to be preferable to a classic controller. The eshop argument is horrible too. Should I pay extra to have a controller that makes purchases look good? Crazy, if anything Nintendo should pay me for such a thing.

          • Rinslowe

            I disagree. It isn’t anywhere near a gimmick…
            There’s a few decent games that show it’s worth.
            Not sure if you’ve ever played AC on Wii U? But despite what people say about 3 and 4 they are totally playable. Doesn’t hold a candle to PC admittedly in the visuals or performance department, which is why I go there as well. But none of the consoles really do…
            When I game, I do it mostly on a 1080p projector. And having a HUD less game at that size is completely satisfying immersion…
            When I sit at the couch in my cave you can count your left butt cheek I’m surfing on the gamepad and not a wireless keyboard or any of the other consoles and controllers I have also set up.
            When I post to Miiverse I’m doing it on the gamepad, beacause it works, it’s intuitive to do so. And I own nearly all the systems now except Xbox One and I wouldn’t choose any of those controllers for that.
            I know I’ll now probably get labeled a Ninty fanboy despite the fact that I’m just a gaming enthusiast in general. This is my version of telling it how it is. And if I thought the gamepad was a gimmick in all honesty I’d be the first to admit it….

          • Magnus Eriksson

            True, its nice to surf the web with. I can agree on that. I also use it as a pdf reader quite a lot. But almost never for gaming.

          • Andrew Clear

            I buy my cross platform games for the Wii U, not my PS3/PS4 because of the gamepad. If it is a “gimmick”, then that “gimmick” provides me with a better game play experience than my other consoles.

          • shanafan

            Only a fool would want a Gamepad-less Wii U. If that’s what you desire, then get a 360.

          • greengecko007

            Pretty difficult to play new Nintendo games like Pikmin 3 and Super Mario 3D World on a 360, don’t you think?

        • AlienFanatic

          I did and I sold it. I never felt the GamePad was a useful component, nor did I feel it was necessary to enjoy the games. The off-screen game play on a relatively low-resolution display was hardly ideal, and the fact that the GamePad would remain on while I was watching Netflix irritated me to no end, knowing I was draining the GamePad’s battery for no reason.

          I have yet to find a single game on the Wii-U I wouldn’t rather play using the Pro controller. Not a single one. The few times the GamePad was required felt like it was forced, not natural. And if the GamePad was so essential, why not make use of it with Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze? How necessary is it for Mario Kart 8?

          • You can honk your horn (o…kay)
          • It shows a map. How often do you want to look down at a map while you’re driving? It’s much easier to just put an overlay in the corner, like every other Mario Kart title.
          • It shows the TV screen. And…well, why?

          Other than perhaps the Metroid game in NintendoLand, Nintendo has yet to make a truly compelling use of the GamePad. I know some people are hooked on off-screen game play, but since that feature is so optional why must the GamePad come with every system? I’d rather pay $100 less and get the bare bones and I guarantee you that I won’t, for a second, miss the GamePad.

          • MichelChartrand

            I personally love the game pad functionality in Assassins Creed IV. The map while playing is so big and detailed I can’t imagine playing with a smaller map in the corner, or having to pause. There are times I find myself navigating almost solely using the gamepad when avoiding enemy ships’ field of views.
            When playing Call of Duty, I’ve always loved the map being available without having to stop play by bringing up the menu, and calling in killstreaks in Black Ops II with one push, and being able to send them at points on the map with just one finger push is much faster and safer than stopping play to bring up the map and selecting with the thumbstick, that just opens you up to being killed while in the menu.
            In ZombiU, the game pad is vital as the survival bug-out bag. Sure they could have done it without it, but it adds more to the game when you look in the bag in real time and have to look up to check if anybody’s coming, and it also makes a very useful radar.
            I think if the only games one plays are Donkey Kong, Mario Kart and Super Mario and such, it might not seem useful. But otherwise I believe there are many actual uses for it that aren’t simply gimmicky uses.
            But I do agree they need to lay off on the requirement of always on, as I also hate watching Netflix on WiiU as it drains my game pad, or the fact you can’t access the eShop without it.

          • darkcreap

            I think he is just trolling. As I comment above, it is impossible to operate the eShop and the config menu without the gamepad.

          • Rinslowe

            I personally find the gamepad to be essential.

          • darkcreap

            It IS essential. You cannot operate the eShop (open the eShop and you will see that the gamepad is mandatory), the config menu (config options are in the gamepad, the TV only shows help) and most likely the login screen without one. For the login maybe a keyboard could be a substitute, but I would have to try that. This guy’s story seems most unplausible to me. Did he sell the gamepad and say goodbye to the eShop and configuring the console? Come on.

            I think he is just trolling.

          • Rinslowe

            Yeah, I also thought so. But have never sold my Gamepad to know either way. It does say when opening the E-shop that the gamepad is mandatory…
            :P

          • http://www.gengame.net/ Guesty Pooh!

            Yes, but it also plays games, you know, the thing consoles used to be made for!

            If I want to control my T.V I use the, wait for it, T.V remote…..amazing!
            Stop being so negative about your console of choice, so you tried and didn’t like it, so do millions of other console owners.
            Funnily enough most of my friends who bought a PS4 had buyers remorse until recently.

            I’m sick and tired of people stating they don’t want the gamepad to save a hundred dollars, do you really think Nintendo would’ve dropped the price that much without the gamepad?
            No, the N64 was the same price here in Australia, so was the GameCube so to me the Wii U is actually cheap because I now get to play on the gamepad while my kids/family are in the same room all for the same price I paid for my old Nintendo consoles!

          • darkcreap

            Oh, and how do you use the eShop, Mr No-Gamepad? The eShop can only be controlled with the WiiU gamepad. It clearly says so when you open it. Same applies for the Configuration menu. You see the options in the gamepad and help in the TV screen. There is no way you can configure the WiiU without it. And I am almost sure that the same happens for login screen. Unless you hooked a keyboard, that you didn’t say in the first time.

            Sorry, but that seems to me like a pretty pathetic trolling attempt. The WiiU cannot be reasonably operated without a gamepad. It could, yes, but Nintendo made it so you need it for essential things like the eShop, configuration and login. Not Miiverse, though.

          • bizzy gie

            You owned your Wii U for what…like a week at most?

            You do know you can turn your GamePad screen off whenever you want? Of course you don’t.

            Just press the Home button and go to controller settings.

            I don’t typically comment on grammatical errors, but you’re making an effort to seem intelligent.

            And the TV controls are so limited as to be laughable.

            I’m pretty sure that’s not proper sentence structure. It doesn’t even sound right when read aloud.

            Fixed it: And the TV controls are so limited, it’s laughable.

          • Michael Hancock

            You’ve overlooked the fact that the gamepad is essential to low-key watch dirty movies. *You’re right about the Metroid mini game being the only innovative use, though. Well, Pikmin 3 too, although it was forced. Captain Toad’s use was just lame.

          • Fred

            Luigi’s Ghost Mansion had great use of it too.

          • matt

            Talking out your ass…..but you see value in ps4’s controller ??you know basically a ps3 controller…

      • Tray

        Nintendo could absorb those kinds of losses for the entire console generation and still be one of the most financially secure companies around. No, they don’t want to do that. But the fact i that they could sustain those kinds of losses every year for a couple decades without borrowing a penny from anyone. On the other hand, Sony has the #1 console of this generation and is in financial ruin right now, selling of divisions, major assets, and massive downsizing. Nintendo will endure the lackluster Wii U and come out with a new console (which could then be the #1 console — remember Gamecube to Wii?) They don’t have any debt… they can easily endure losses for a very, very long time. Sony on the other hand… I hope they make it out of their current crisis. They are the ones in deep financial trouble… Not Nintendo.

        • AlienFanatic

          Taking continual losses out of stubbornness is simply bad business. A good leader will know when it’s time to cut the losses and move quickly to develop a new platform. The biggest problem right now is software development, not the hardware. I actually don’t think the Wii-U needs to compete with the PS4 or XB1 on a technical basis.

          However, the loss of so much 3rd party support is devastating. Without key third party titles, it will be extremely difficult to convince all but the most diehard Nintendo fans to buy their systems. Right now, their only solution is to ramp up first party development. But why didn’t they do this well before the Wii-U was released? They were caught flat-footed, with very little to show thus far.

          Maybe Nintendo will pull a rabbit out of their hat at E3. I actually hope they do. But their recent moves to consolidate their development in one complex, and their history of long development cycles, makes me think that they’re still one or more years away from being able to supply enough titles to keep the system viable by themselves.

          Their best hope is that Mario Kart 8 will sell huge numbers and that they’ll be able to get SSB out before Christmas.

          • Rinslowe

            Actually, because of Nintendo’s polarized public image right now and the fact that their systems are few and not fragmented like for eg the Smart Phone market. It would absolutely be a terrible business decision to cut and run on the Wii U until the generation has run it’s natural course.
            That is the reason why they won’t be abandoning the system. They have the finances to cope with the losses this generation. And they have the resources to attempt to turn any losses around, as well as the time in which to attempt it.
            If they were to release new hardware, it would require yet more R&D costs as a start as well as all other related factors like testing and prototyping. Then there’s software development, at a time where they are arguably hitting their stride on the current platform.
            Perhaps the largest impact to their bottom line will come from the negative impact a new home console would create among the loyal core audience, you know, the 6m odd people that have invested in Wii U. If a company like Nintendo dropped support early for a console with an install base still growing (considering those other factors above), who’s to say they wouldn’t do it again… and again.. and again… and so on…
            The media would have a field day with them all over again.

            Nintendo will almost certainly carry the Wii U through to the end of the generation. Because I’m also certain they are aware it would be more costly not to…

          • greengecko007

            Completely agree. Nintendo’s biggest thing to do with the Wii U should be to support it with great games and restore customer faith. If they do this, I will undoubtedly by whatever contraption of a console they release next 5 years down the road.

            On the other hand, abandoning the Wii U would just as easily turn me away from Nintendo, likely for good.

      • Javy G

        I stick with my first idea that Wii U should have been bundled with a ProController along with the GamePad. So that developers and audiences will not shy away from the console and not be forced to design around the GamePad. Though I think the Gamepad is great, it will be received much better if it was not forced onto newcomers. Also there is couple upgrades I would’ve made to the controls. One is the back triggers should have that spring-back accuracy in like PS4, XBone, or the GC controller. This would come in handy racing games and a SunShine sequel. Second the ProController design is good but the material is too glossy for long comfort (Still waiting for an awesome third party ProController). Change that and the Wii U little appealing.

        • Wooopigsooie

          I agree. What’s also frustrating is when they bundle a Wiimote with the Wii U rather than a Pro as is the case with Mario Kart.

          • MichelChartrand

            I can understand that somewhat though since the game pad can do most things the pro can, but the Wii U has many games that require a Wii remote.

          • thedeciderU

            i have over 30 wii u games and i only use wii motes when playing 4 player games. what games require them? i use either the gamepad or pro controller.

        • darkcreap

          The WiiU gamepad is just a pro controller with a screen in he middle. The button layout is exactly the same. Literally.

          • Javy G

            Exactly, why not add multiplayer to Nintendo’s main games: NSMBU, DK:TF, SM3DW, upcoming MK, and SMB. And give the second player the equality of using the same control scheme instead of motion controlling with a Wiimote.

          • darkcreap

            I think you can already use Pro Controllers instead of Wiimotes in those games if you have them. You have the option to use Wiimotes for multiplayer, but you can perfectly use Pro Controllers if you have them. Don’t know if that is what you mean.

          • matthew garcia

            It needs analog triggers

      • Josiah Parsons

        Nintendo would have to overhaul development and push updates to all their games because the Wii U has treated the GamePad as standard equipment. I personally love it because the touch screen makes menus and keyboards so much easier. Plus the horn is pure genius.

    • Donaald

      Don’t try to make sense in a place like this, you’re likely to get lynched by the mob.

    • thedeciderU

      whoa, whoa, whoa, now. we come here to piss and moan. please don’t take that away :)

      *head explodes*

      • thedeciderU

        so where is shane michaels with a head exploding gif? that was your cue!

    • WiiUPS4

      I agree with that..Gaming is what matters ..Those that are stuck to one console and not willing to have a open mind are worthless sacks

    • MerryBlind .

      Well said.

    • CMB

      preeeeech it.

      I really want to get a ps3 or ps4 soon.

      • Rinslowe

        PS3 right now is all value. I’d start there! By the time you’ve played through the quality games on offer, PS4 will be cheaper and have a larger selection…
        So the value just keeps on keeping on.
        :)

        • CMB

          you are right, but I’m scared right when I jump on to to the ps3, all my friends will move to next gen. AHH I should have got one earlier.

          • Rinslowe

            If you hunt around you might be able to find one on the cheap…

  • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

    It’s always the same…

    http://i.imgur.com/8cgtVps.png

    On an unrelated note, where did you get that picture, Ashley…?

    I want.. that stuff… all of it… Please.

  • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

    What about all the games to look forward to?
    http://i.imgur.com/OTiHzE6.gif

    Sorry, I mean, how about the community?
    http://i41.tinypic.com/2hd9qog.jpg
    And the power of the console.

    • BIG Franky

      this might be the most embarrassing post I have ever seen in the comment section of Wii U Daily… and I have seen some really dumb posts… WOW.

      • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

        Ehh, I don’t know, I’ve had some pretty bad feelings about some of the things you’ve posted. It’s all relevant, ya know?
        It’s called opinions, sarcasm, humor, subtle things, that not everyone understands.

    • Magnus Gonzalez

      dude…weak bitch

    • thedeciderU

      haha not even smart enough to correctly spell their insults!

      “my piece of plastic is better than yours.”

      zzzzzing

      • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

        “Anyone who likes Nintendo is gey, cause the games are colorful and crud. Real men, play Call of Duty and M rated games. Im a real man!”
        Sad thing, I’ve seen this seriously been said at places (myNintendonews).

        • thedeciderU

          unbelievable.

        • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

          Or like: “real men watch only war movies and hardcore violence while Disney movies are for wussies”. How narrow minded.

  • Keith

    The Nintendo Wii U will.most certainly dominate. Look at the 3DS XL, took a year to fully become the powerhouse that it is. Just know this….NEVER underestimate Nintendo!!

  • WiiUPS4

    Im happy with mine as long as i get a metroid and zelda game im happy

  • starwars360

    Mario Kart 8 finally arrives in 3 weeks to go!!!

  • FutureFox

    I’m more piqued that there’s actually something called the International Data Corporation.

    • uPadWatcher

      More like Insufficient Data Clusterf[CENSORED].

  • Assassinated23

    Why would the PS4 be bundled with lead?

  • Jon Turner

    Pfft. Media BS as usual. Not worth reading. At all. Like this guy knows WHO’S going to dominate. Why don’t we just let history tell the story and shut up on these predictions. I don’t care about it anymore.

    • thedeciderU

      because then someone’s out of a job haha

    • greengecko007

      History would suggest Sony and the PS4, but I agree that waiting and not giving these things more thought than they deserve is what’s best.

      • Jon Turner

        We don’t KNOW if it will even be Sony OR PS4. Chances are it may not be even ANY of the three consoles, but simply 3DS.

        • greengecko007

          I’m not claiming to know the outcome, I’m saying that it doesn’t really matter.

        • oontz

          The 3ds doesn’t compete with home consoles. Get over it.

  • Googs

    This seems more like wishful thinking rather than actual predictions.

  • Jason

    In my prediction, the 3DS will lead, PS4 will come #2, Wii U #3. The XBox One is basically a PS4 Lite, has the same games that PS4 has, but doesn’t have the PS4 exclusives.

    • thedeciderU

      halo will explode the sales though. that’s why most flock to xbox. if you check out the halo franchise sales, you may need to wipe.

      • Rom/Ram Paul 2016

        I’m a PC guy but I have a 360 and Wii U and I will buy an XBOX One just for Halo.

        • thedeciderU

          proof ^^^ haha

      • Enumerating Wishes

        I can tell you I was a bit disappointed in the 360. Halo 3 was fun but not going Microsoft for anymore consoles.

        • thedeciderU

          i don’t plan on it either at this point.

    • https://soundcloud.com/rauschenmaschine Kristian Kouvo

      Note that 3DS owners could be potentially Wii U owners in the future, when they want to upgrade their experience without loosing the genuine Ninty feel.

  • Krzysztof

    E3 2014 … Nintendo announced price cut. $99 for Wii U Basic and $149 for Premium one.

    Then I wouldn’t be so sure about not making that dent in the install gap.
    Do it Nintendo.

    • iamserious

      There is no basic version anymore. $150 for premium version is just an insult.

  • Kobe

    I don’t think they will drop the price right after they announce a $330 bundle.

    • MerryBlind .

      Indeed. I don’t think either. They’ll drop it in 2015 for sure though.

  • Coval83

    Gamecube was the last console for hardcore gamers. I think, that on E3 we should see another Metroid Prime (imagine that), F-Zero, Zelda(99,9%), New Star Fox or New porper 3d Mario game… We all know thet 3rd party support is weak at the moment… Bring the Your games Nintendo, and that should change everything

  • Rinslowe

    They could be a little ambitious to believe Xbox One will be the no’ 1 selling console in North America by 2016. I know it’s home turf…
    And yet I think it’s really PS4’s market to lose this gen – in terms of sales no’s.
    Should be able to get a better idea in the coming months looking at the titles…

  • David Levene

    Take a look at this really cool gadget called GoKey. It attaches to your key ring and can charge a phone with a built in battery, can locate your phone or keys with an app or button on the device, and it has a built in flash drive. I just bought the 32gb version of it and it only cost $59. Here’s the link. http://igg.me/at/gokey/x/7410147

  • John Andalora

    Of course, this is all completely based on the analytical theory called “Less money,” where more people will buy something if it costs less money.
    It is a very popular theory that has made its way into video game analyses for quite a while, and has overtaken other less popular theories like “I hate that,” “It’s totally not Sony,” and “I WANT MORE GAMES!”

    Remember people, these analysts are paid millions to do this so you know what to think. Let’s give their information the respect it deserves.

    • darkcreap

      What seems fishy to me is that they don’t indicate X1 or WiiU predictions. If they are so accurate as to say it will sell 51 million, then they could indicate how much X1 or WiiU are expected to sell. Probably, they could even try and predict if the console market is likely to continue growing or it is saturated. If only 51 million PS4 are expected to be sold, then the market is likely going to contract, since PS3 has sold 80+ million already. Same for X360 and also Wii with 100+ million.

  • steveb944

    Good, I can use those $50 on KH3 when I buy my PS4.

  • http://exazblog.blogspot.com/ Prince_AKR

    The Mario Kart 8 Bundle alone is a total steal… Here’s the breakdown:

    Premium Wii U Set – $300
    Mario Kart 8 – $60
    Extra Free Game – $60
    Wii Remote Plus – $40
    Wii Wheel – $10

    = $470 (without tax)
    That’s $140+ in savings

    Now, Nintendo is obviously going to keep this bundle open for a while. With that being the case, the chances of them notching down the Deluxe Set to $250 is absurd. I don’t think that people realize just how much it takes to manufacture consoles and ship them to retailers. Nintendo may have deep pockets; but that doesn’t mean that they actually wouldn’t like to make money.

    They’re selling the Wii U at a loss at $299, as it is. They already were when it was $350. Dropping a system down to $250, without even being 2 years old yet is unheard of. How long did it take for the 360 to go down by $100? What about the PS3, or even the Wii? Get real.

  • Mithiragi

    Console Wars are so 90s. Just play the games you like. Fuck everyone else. Done.

    • thedeciderU

      but wiiu is 16 BITS!!!!

      • Mithiragi

        haha!

  • C.S. Bailey

    Wii U price drop???? After the release of Smash Bros. and Mario Kart, but right before or at the release of another major franchise, possibly LOZ.

  • Austin Cabrera

    So we all knew the Wii U wasn’t doing well despite the core fan base. What do y’all think. Will Mario Kart and Smash Bros put Nintendo in the green, or will they continue slipping into the red. Give your insight and elaborate.

  • boynhisblobs

    It sucks for the people out there that don’t want to play the killing games of PS4 and XBox One. Douche bags have taken over the gaming majority and ruined it for the real gamers.

    • oontz

      So gamers that enjoy their PS4 are Douche bags and not real gamers?

  • Logan Waltz

    Games sell consoles. That and fanboyism where ps4 is concerned. Ninty needs to make the games and properly market them and the console to sell both. That’s all they have to do and everything else will fall in place. I think a name change on the console right fucking now could work wonders. We would know what it was and the ignorant masses might think there is a cool new system. lmao

  • Josie the Sketcher

    Dear Wii U Daily,
    Please stop posting anti-Nintendo news as you’re feeding trolls.

  • kayodoc

    Call me old school but I wish Nintendo would return to a simple controller and console setup for their home console. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE my WiiU. However, I feel as though I’d love it 10x more if it didn’t require the whole gamepad. A well designed controller with dual analog sticks and analog triggers (not digital) paired with great Nintendo games would’ve been great. They could’ve then allotted that money that was spent on the gamepad for better hardware based off of x86 architecture; thus leading to 3rd party support and easy porting for developers.

  • ufg

    I noticed something interesting, in that this (to my knowledge) is the first console generation where the most powerful console is the most popular and the least powerful console is the least popular.

    • Shootdatrupee!…

      I believe the PS2 outsold the GC. Unless the original Xbox was stronger?

      • ufg

        the original XBox was the strongest and least-selling, while PS2 was the weakest and best selling (Although I think gamecube and PS2 were pretty close in terms of power)

  • Alex

    I can’t believe the comments I am reading on here.

    We already know the Wii U won’t be as successful in terms of sales compared to the PS4 & Xbox One however there is no doubt that sales will increase over the coming months, enough that it will encourage developers to continue supporting the console and develop more games whether this be indie or 3rd party.

    I know a lot of people have run out of patience with the lack of software on the Wii U but we are aware of the upcoming games and they will be worth the wait although I do feel we are in for some surprises at E3.

    I am no expert but the lack of details regarding new software for Wii U is probably because there is a clause in developers contracts that prevents them from leaking any information other then what Nintendo would like to inform their user/fan base via Nintendo Directs.

    The Wii U got price cut several times over here in England & I feel doing the same in America would no doubt boost sales. The MK8 Bundle & promotion is great and will sell out for sure.

    On a side note I agree with Daniel Gonzalez as long as Nintendo get the right games then I am sure its user base will be very happy. Why are people so bothered by banter from other console users? Will they get the same experience on a PS4 and Xbox One as you do on the WII U? I very much doubt it.

  • darkcreap

    Why doesn’t it give any WiiU or X1 numbers? They could have done the same as for PS4.

  • matt

    It doesn’t matter who wins sales it’s the experience each consumer has with each console will determine the winner ie Amazon customer reviews and wiiu is winning worldwide in this area,also i predict no price cut for wiiu for years as Nintendo stated,also i think after Mariokart 8 releases WiiU will fly to 1st place worldwide it’s already in top 3 worldwide……ps4Xbox1 have nothing as quality and fully featured as Mariokart8 end of…

  • Josie the Sketcher

    Been waiting for an article to post this research I’ve been doing:

    Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all highly competitive rivals but they respect each other. Unfortunately their fan base aren’t like that.

    Xbots – these fans’ of Xbox thrive for FPS games. From the start they’ve always want to show they have the better games. They despise Sony.

    Sony fanboys: Once proud of their diverse gaming library, these fanboys crave power and realism graphics. They want every game to be blockbusters with ultra realism graphics. Since the PS4 release, they have become ignorant and close minded to other consoles.

    Nintendrones: Forever faithful to Nintendo and live for nostalgia. They welcome any game of any genre that has worthwhile fun gameplay. They don’t care about how realistic graphics are, although they find them a worthy addition. Even though they support whatever Nintendo does, they remain open minded to other consoles.

    • Shootdatrupee!…

      Hmm…PC gamers? Ones that i know think very…’lowly’ of consoles and Wii/PS/Xbox followers…

      • Rinslowe

        I don’t…
        Although consoles aren’t “comparable” in most cases visually. Visuals stopped being potentially ugly last gen…
        Although some studios still managed to defy that rule on both PC and consoles, by releasing games that were too ugly and too full of bugs with terrible gameplay… I wondered if that level of bad could only be achieved purposefully, lol.

        • Shootdatrupee!…

          I’ve been trying to make my PC able to run all these super demanding games lately. It’s proving to be troublesome, time consuming and even costly. I still haven’t been able to get that graphics card…
          I think a PC and a Wii U is a nice-ish combination…considering how many PS/XB releases get ported over sooner or later…as for the bugs and terrible gameplay you mentioned…well, I can survive. Saves me $300-$500 in the long run…maybe…

          • Rinslowe

            whatever you decide there’s enough content between a couple of platforms to get the average gamer through the year.
            :)

      • Josie the Sketcher

        LOL PC elitists are the worst. Thinking they are the “master race” and all.

    • MSR

      Xbox isn’t a console for me mostly because of the types of games released. Once Mass Effect was released on PS3 I had no need for a 360 and didn’t look back.

      I’m a proud owner of PS3, PS4, and Wii U and play each one equally. I’d actually rather they pull back on the graphics a bit to deliver longer, fuller experiences. I like the graphical push but dislike the compromise of gameplay.

    • Rom/Ram Paul 2016

      I have a PC and a 360 alongside my Wii U.

    • leo

      sounds kinda biased.

  • Shootdatrupee!…

    ‘As for the Wii U, IDC says it expects the console to receive a $50 price cut either in late 2014 or early 2015…’
    Nintendo: We’ll just cut the price in 2016 because as usual we love to troll our fans and anybody else out there.

  • Rinslowe

    Not that it’s totally relevant here. But the confirmed total no’ of units sold for Wii U according to Nintendo, is sitting at 6.17m… 3+ m expected Wii U’s sold in the next 12 months.
    http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/index.html