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What is the sales potential of Mario Kart 8?

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Mario Kart 8 is the biggest release for Wii U yet. While we don’t know what Nintendo is announcing at E3 or what they plan on doing for the rest of the year, we do know that a lot of hope is resting on the shoulders of Mario Kart 8. During the annual financial call to investors, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata estimated around 3.6 million Wii U units to be sold for the 2014 financial year. That’s down from the first estimate of 10 million the previous year, with heavy hitting titles like Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. launching this year.

Polygon recently took a look at hardware sales relative to the time a Mario Kart game was released on its respective platform to see how well Mario Kart games have sold overall. Looking at the graph, an average of 20% of owners of a system seem to buy Mario Kart, meaning of the 6.27 million owners of the Wii U right now, Nintendo can expect to see around 1.26m in sales of Mario Kart 8 for current hardware owners. That’s much less than the previous worst selling Mario Kart game, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, which launched on the Game Boy Advance in 2001.

Of course, this doesn’t take into consideration the number of people who currently don’t own a Wii U but will purchase one exclusively to play Mario Kart 8. Just looking at these numbers though, it will be interesting to see how Mario Kart 8 performs once it is finally available on May 30.

Be sure and check out our Mario Kart 8 review if you’re still on the fence about getting the game.

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  • ActivesiN

    I think if Mario Kart 8 can not bump the install base up to at least 10 million then the game failed

    • uptownsoul

      Whoa…Mario Kart 8 help sell 3.73M units? In what timeframe you talking?

      • ActivesiN

        one day obviously….from Mk8 launch until smash bros doesn’t seem unreasonable

        • CaptRodgers

          I’d say that’s very possible. It almost seems like Nintendo dropped their projections so low, so when they surpass expectations their stock will rocket

      • FoxMulder900

        I don’t think that is unreasonable at all. You would reach that goal if only 10% of the people who bought Mario Kart Wii go out and buy a Wii U for MK8.

  • http://nintendopapercraftvideos.wordpress.com/ Sam

    I guarantee it’s going to be more than 1.26 million. At least 5.5 mil.

    • BIG Franky

      LOL… that is just hilarious….

      • http://nintendopapercraftvideos.wordpress.com/ Sam

        Why? MK8 is going to be a system seller.

        • FoxMulder900

          Agreed, but I estimate more like 3-4 million

        • matthew garcia

          Mario 3d world barely made a dent in sales. Mario kart 8 should do better but not the push Nintendo needs

          • http://nintendopapercraftvideos.wordpress.com/ Sam

            Super Mario 3D World wasn’t innovative enough. The next Mario game for Wii U needs to make use of the GamePad in a revolutionary way. When people see how the GamePad can be used, they’ll buy. MK8 did not do that, and that’s the one thing that I am disappointed in so far.

          • matthew garcia

            Good thing about Nintendo games though is that they sale slowly over a long period of time quietly gaining sales

          • http://nintendopapercraftvideos.wordpress.com/ Sam

            Yeah, people suddenly realize it sold x amount of units when it was only supposed to sell y amount.

          • Volfos

            Sammy boy you’re thinking small scale! Nintendo are offering free-games which are Gamepad centric alongside Mario Kart 8 (which will attract the bashers). Thats the chance to turn haters into Nintendoers.

          • matt

            Shut up it’s called a formula that works so well you don’t mess with it,as for using the GAMEPAD more all they need to add in an update is 2 player one uses GAMEPAD the other on TV that’s it the game is already shifting consoles worldwide have you heard of Amazon movers and shaker/best sellers go check it out worldwide.

        • Yousif Alromaithi

          At least over 3D world where 3D World managed over 1.26 million. Now that Polygon says Mario Kart 8 will fail because Wii U is not doing well. I mean it is sitting top 5 in Pre Orders how can it fail.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Just because it has many pre-orders, doesn’t mean it’s going to be a huge seller either. Those who did pre-order, might make up the people who are interested in it and have a Wii U already. Regardless, I don’t know how it’s going to turn out, so we’ll see what happens on May 30th. Just my two cents.

          • Yousif Alromaithi

            Well it had more pre orders than the 3D World so it could sell more than 1.26. But let us be optimistic it will no way reach over ten million. More like five million, that is the number it can reach. I will say this again Super Smash Bros will have over 300,000 units on pre orders for Wii U. But the 3DS will sell more.

          • http://nintendopapercraftvideos.wordpress.com/ Sam

            I agree.

          • Yousif Alromaithi

            Well for certain how can it fail because will line up in e3. People will start sounding optimistic because that is true Mario Kart 8 is a great game. Tomorrow I am going to gamestop to try the new features once more before picking mine up on amazon. Many people will say Wii U has no games will PS4 does. I mean did you see the PS4 games released this year. No way it reached 1000 games on first year while non are must own. IT was just a hype from Sony and professional websites they had that thing planned all along. Sony said that last year upon their 1000 devolpment of games to make people believe in them. Sony does not have money to make that thing because they are under debt financial situation.

          • matt

            It’s been No3 best sold on average worldwide on Amazon.

            No1 spain
            No2 UK
            No3 US
            No1 Japan
            No2 FRANCE

            ect ect,oh it’s just fell a few spots in the UK but that’s due to Minecraft being one of the best selling games in history….

      • sisti

        Dude…it’s bundled into the system…there’s no way a nintendo console is selling under 10million…if someone’s buying a Wii U in the next couple years, they are going to buy it bundled with Mario Kart 8

    • Nothing5555

      Are you talking about life time sales? It could potentially be more than 5.5 mil but I think a more accurate estimate would be for every 6 Wii U sold = 1 Mario Kart 8 purchase. So 1.26 mil is logical given there are only ~6M Wii Us sold so far. This is being conserviative. If it turns out sell like Mario Kart Wii then the ratio would be 3 to 1 or about ~2 mil.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      Less than one million. Mark my words.

      • Fucked Magnus’ Whore mother

        I will mark your words shitstack. You will be dead wrong

        • matthew garcia

          Wow dude you have to find something better to do with your life then get involved this much into somebody else’s opinion on video games. Damn people it’s just video games please go out there and do something better for your self then making video games your priority. Go do some charity work or something. Can’t believe video games bring this out of people. Immature people who can never grow up. I hope u at least have a job and contribute to society

          • Fucked Magnus’ Whore mother

            STFU you whiny turd. I’ll come over and fuck your mother too, wipe my dick in your sisters hair, take a shit and not flush the toilet and steal your wii-u on the way out BITCH!

          • matthew garcia

            Go suck your mothers big fat dick you cock sucker

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Relax dude. That’s what they expect you to do. Just flag/report it. These types aren’t worth your time. Lol.

          • matthew garcia

            Very true but I gotta at least get one punch in there lol

          • matthew garcia

            You sound like your an inbred lol. I bet your head is disproportioned and your missing teeth lol

          • WT Herrod Jr.

            Dude, take it somewhere else…

          • Mario

            Well that’s rude.

          • Yousif Alromaithi

            Man take your bad mouth to the toilet. Their it can be fixed.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Tough guys on the internet. Did you get angry when someone said something you didnt like about your favourite toy? :)

          • matthew garcia

            Ha lol

          • koopapoopas

            I can’t believe you wrote such a long reply.

          • matthew garcia

            Did you not see the guys user name and his comment.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I think anyone who goes out of their way to make accounts like this, are unhappy people in their daily lives. It’s a shame. Lol.

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            WELL @magnus_eriksson:disqus says: Mark my Words.. so he is just doing that…

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It doesn’t warrant him having an account calling Magnus’ mother a “whore mother.” He did more than just mark his words. Lol.

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            it’s true.
            sorry.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Lol :D

          • matthew garcia

            I’m not so much going by the comment but the user name he used is out of line and if u don’t agree then your idiot to

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            My God, calm down… what happen to him @disqus_aWDc4YmJcG:disqus? he was a good boy

          • Magnus Eriksson

            I dont care. My old mother probably rejected him. That made him angry. He will find love eventually :)

        • Yousif Alromaithi

          Clan down brother he just being sarcastic. Once Mario Kart 8 comes out. He will take a week off from Wii U daily.

          • matthew garcia

            Are u actually taking sides with this mentally ill person.

          • Yousif Alromaithi

            No I am saying that Magnus will take a week off just like he did on 3D World. He never went back again until next week. Everybody was wondering, he was playing all the time with his daughters. So once the game comes out he will go back to his regular routine. I looked at it his comment at first I thought he was a normal guy just angry at magnus. But then I went scrolling down further I found out he is a lunatic that needs proper fixing in his mouth.

          • matthew garcia

            It’s all good man I just got confused by the situation

          • Yousif Alromaithi

            All people do. Not just you :D.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            No, Yousif is a good guy. And so are you. He just dont want you to get upset from a guy with psychiatric problems.

          • matthew garcia

            Yeah I understand man it’s all good. We got your back

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Hang in there brother. There are help to get for your tourettes syndrome :)

        • Rinslowe

          You are a repulsive hater. Be gone from here please.
          >:(

      • Rinslowe

        2/10

        Those marks awarded for once again providing me with a vehicle to mark your words.
        :P

        Seriously though, I’ll place a bet at 1m + unit sales by Dec….
        Software maybe 2-3m by Nov.

  • Gabe Hoffman

    This article fails to take into account potential sales from that Wii U bundle there have been a lot of people who have been holding out on a Wii U for this game. Nintendo is bundling one of its biggest selling games with Wii U for no reason

    • matthew garcia

      We can all go by wishful thinking cuz that makes us feel better but the reality is the market is not favoring the Wii u right now. It will be a miracle if Mk 8 can do what u want. You never know though miracles do happen

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      How does the article fail to take that into account when it mentions it explicitly? It seems like you didn’t read the article.

      “Of course, this doesn’t take into consideration the number of people who currently don’t own a Wii U but will purchase one exclusively to play Mario Kart 8.”

      • Daniel Carvalho

        I assume he’s talking about the original article where that chart came from. Either that or by ‘article’ he meant ‘chart’.

        • Gabe Hoffman

          Exactly. Ashley misinterpreted my post. I meant the original article doesn’t consider bundle sales

          • Daniel Carvalho

            You can Edit your comments. State you meant the original article on your post before more angry readers start downvoting and complaining about you (you’re gonna get a lot of spam because of that misinterpretation)

      • Gabe Hoffman

        I did read the article and I understood what you were saying I was mainly referring to the original article that you sourced

    • Magnus Eriksson

      Nah, its actually to the point. You must learn how to read properly before complaining.

      • Yousif Alromaithi

        For sure it will never reach the heights of the past games in terms of sales. But I know that Mario Kart 8 sits on top 5 in terms of pre orders with over 170,000 units. Once May 27 comes out it will have over 250,000. Here is the thing, the old games did better. I think Ashley is right it might hit 1.26 million by spetember perhaps. But not in term of life time sales because no way 3D World and NSMU to beat Mario Kart 8.

      • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

        MAGNUS! YOU’RE ALIVE!

      • Gabe Hoffman

        How is this to the point exactly

  • Purple

    Who cares?! Just enjoy the game.

  • Prince Ali

    That chart does not show hardware sales relative to the time a Mario Kart game was released!… Those are lifetime sales for both hardware and Mario Kart… That is completely unreasonable to compare lifetime sales to hardware that has had less than 2 years on the market. Especially since Nintendo games are more “evergreen” than most other games.

    • Justin Carlson

      ^^THIS^^
      I was just going to say this but thought I should check the other comments first.

    • greengecko007

      I agree, that chart does not provide a fair comparison. The actual analysis Polygon did by comparing older the sales of older Mario Kart games on older Nintendo consoles is actually pretty interesting though. I guess whenever the Wii U’s life is over (hopefully years from now) we can reflect and see how close the attachment rate was to the 20% Polygon came up with.

      • Rinslowe

        True. It’s an interesting comparison. But to be accurate or complete regarding the Wii U. Best left revisited until the next generation….

    • matthew garcia

      From the time Nintendo posted 6 million til now I doubt much has changed

      • matthew garcia

        Whoops Prince I mis read your comment you are right my bad

    • Darion29

      You are correct, the chart isn’t giving us every thing that we need. However I am one to believe that Nintendo can turn it around and im sure at the end of it all the Wii U will probably sit some where around 30 to 50 million consoles sold. Kart 8 will easily become one of the best selling gems on Wii U, this will also help increase the Wii U user base from the current 6.17 million. However my body is ready for a new Mario Galaxy and Zelda title which will probably come with another $50.00 price cut. Never underestimate the grandfather of video games, period. They always turn it around. Can’t wait to see what’s in store for gamers come E3.

    • C.S. Bailey

      It’s a fair enough guide to see how many people will buy this game right now. Lifetime sales will definitely differ, but the chart is saying what they should expect to see almost immediately.

  • Justin Carlson

    I would love to see a graph that shows how much the release of a Mario Kart title affected the sales of a console.

  • McBlink

    Even though Polygon gave the game a 9 out of 10, what is the point of the article they wrote? Follow up something positive with something negative about Nintendo, seems par for the course. It’s as if we didn’t know it would sell less because of the small install base. Oh, water is wet in case anyone was wondering.

  • greengecko007

    I’m sorry, but this just isn’t a great comparison. I read the original article at Polygon, and while I thought that analyzing attachment rates for games in a series was interesting, I don’t find the comparison to Mario Kart 8 on the Wii U to be valid.

    Obviously making a prediction on how Mario Kart 8 will sell is pretty open, but the graph shows older Mario Kart games that are no longer selling on older Nintendo consoles that are no longer selling. The analysis that approximately 20% of Nintendo console owners buy Mario Kart is interesting, but we cant’ leap forward and predict that Mario Kart 8 will sell only 20% of the current Wii U install base. Nintendo games have been shown to retain value and sell over sell years.

    Long story short, the analysis is good, but that chart does not offer a fair comparison, and the sales prediction admittedly does not take many factors into consideration.

  • Satoru Iwata

    Please understand, that Nintendo will sell between 10-15 copies of Mario Kart 8. The Wii U bundles will sell double that amount. There is no potential when it comes to Nintendo games of quality. They will sell within’ the billions. Please be patient, and watch us print money faster than the U.S. Government.

    Thank you for supporting Nintendo and its products.

    Satoru Iwata

  • uPadWatcher

    Don’t trust Polygon… trust your wallet and buy it (including the bundle).

  • DoctorWily

    When I look at this graph, I focus on the home console versions and this is what I see:

    Mario Kart, SNES: 17.84%
    Mario Kart 64, N64: 29.97%
    Double Dash, GCN: 31.97%
    Mario Kart Wii: 35.16%
    MK8, Wii U: 20.37%….?????

    Forget about averaging in portable versions. Look at the trend for the home console. Why would the first HD version, and arguably the best MK game ever made according to most reviews that I’ve read, take such a huge backwards step in the percentages? Low console sales would indicate that whatever this percentage calculates out to be in terms of hard numbers might be low, but I seriously doubt that the final percentage would be as low as 20.37%. In fact, I would argue that because of low console sales, the percentage will actually be even higher. Seriously, you think 80% of the people who own a Wii U aren’t going to buy this game?!? I would think that when the Wii U’s life is over, MK8 will also be sitting at 30-40 %.

    • CaptRodgers

      Considering the percentage has been going up I wouldn’t be surprised to see 40%. And that’s at the end lifetime sales, but I’d guess more than forty. The majority of people who own wii u probably owned a wii, and they’re the ones that actually did own Mario kart on it. A good percentage of people that didn’t own Mario kart on wii were the grandma’s and mothers, not the games that owned the wii. By that logic there should be a greater percentage of wii u owners who will buy Mario kart 8

  • Drybonekoopa85

    I can’t wait to pick up my copy! Sick of reading reviews… Just want to play it already!!! Going to Gamestop to play the demo this weekend and going to score my free poster.

  • condor87z

    I wish there was a Mario Kart 8 fun potential chart that told me: how much fun I will have with the game, how much replayablility It will have, and how many years I will enjoy the game for.

    • DoctorWily

      The answers are infinite, infinite, and as many years as you have until the day you die.

      • Volfos

        Unless there is a heaven or other positive afterlife. It will obviously be there.

  • http://www.gamesobscura.com/ themizarkshow

    These are lifetime sales of both hardware and software… so it’s a bit early to be guessing at numbers. But no matter how you estimate them, it’s gonna be one of the worst selling titles in the franchise history. And that’s the fault of the WiiU sales themselves, not the game.

  • Nothing5555

    Wow in terms of a game sales to hardware, Mario Kart double dash did exceptionally well.

  • Vakua Dorn

    meh, it’ll do fine. It was the cover story of my local paper, alongside tributes and reviews of Godzilla, even though I only know 3 people other than myself who own Wii Us. I think it will have VERY limited effect.

  • Mr Ninty

    my prediction is:
    2million+ sales first 2 months for mariokart and at 31dec it will be at 4million+
    sales will go up by mk8 to 3milion end of this year, but smash,bayo and other games will bring that number up to 6/7million of the end of this year with a good stream of 150k a week global till march 2015

  • Ducked

    Only three million less than MK7.

  • Phoenix Maybe

    I hate to be that “Nintendoom” guy but I really don’t think MK8 will be enough to boost the Wii U. Good games don’t always mean more sales. Just look at Double Dash. That game was awesome and clearly everyone who owned a GameCube at that time agreed (I’m referring to the chart above); but it wasn’t the GameCube’s savior by any means. The GameCube had a ton of great games, yet it still managed to be one of the worst selling Nintendo home consoles.
    I wish that MK8 would bring the Wii U to it’s deserved spot in the gaming world, but the odds don’t seem to be in Nintendo’s favor.

    Edit: I am aware that the chart does not show the hardware sales in direct relation to Mk sales, just lifetime hardware sales compared with lifetime MK sales.

    • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

      I too don’t want to be nintendoom either, but your point is a valid one I’m affraid, I don’t think MK8 will be the WiiU’s savior as Nintendo hopes, nonetheless MK8 will be one of Nintendo’s jewels, and I’m pretty sure it will give a boost short after it launches for Wii U console’s but will it hold steady…? Not sure could be holding it’s own, but I guess somewhere July, August it’ll be a bit more clear and what it has done for Wii U. Actually looking forward to sales numbers in Japan and other regions.

      • Mario

        And as one of those jewels, it will be remembered dearly by the gamers who had played it. :D

        • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

          Well on that I can only agree Mario. (Wow I agree with Mario o_0 I’m becoming soft, I really need to start hunting again soon, eyes Nintendo and e3 up and down…)

    • Rinslowe

      I agree to a point. But I really wish people would go easy on the saviour aspect.
      :)

      No one game is ever going to save a platform – single-handed . Like many people have been saying for months it’s all in how Nintendo paces their releases for the remainder of the year.
      Kart can stimulate decent sales, software and hardware. But it won’t be enough to carry momentum all the way to Smash.
      They have the material confirmed for 2014, but it just depends on how well they’ve prepared for their releases.
      Bayo 2, X could all help to carry momentum and interest until Smash if released correctly. I don’t think either will provide major sales. But it’s not really the point either.
      They just need to add to the flow. And then maybe become relevant by that momentum as more people come on board.

      A little worried that Nintendo does more of the same though and staggers sales too far apart, to break their bad streak. But here’s hoping…

  • sisti

    It’s an interesting topic…not worth getting worked up over…there are real issues in the world. Whether or not a huge company makes it very rich is not a huge concern. Gamers just love nintendo so it’s interesting to see if this system turns it around, and with the amount of hype into Mario Kart it’s pretty obvious it’s gonna be a success. Being realistic, I see this game doing extremely well the first month and being a catalyst to a decent year for the Wii U. It’s not going to surpass PS4 and definitely won’t hit Wii number soon, but it will do good enough to warrant people having fun and propel Wii U to a longer shelf life

  • Tekina Sibawo

    Does anyone actually think this will be a system seller? I love Mario Kart but I don’t see myself buying it on day one.

  • http://www.instagram.com/flip1982 Flip

    Forget the install base on wiiU but think about the sheer amount of people who have had a good experience with any Mariokart game. Surely there are Millions of fans who will pick up the game for nostalgia purposes alone! I waited as long as I could before buying my WiiU as Mariokart was my main draw. It has always been a stable favorite and being 32yrs of age I have been a fan since the original SNES version… I wish people could just relax and enjoy the many experiences there are to be had with this console, but 50% of the time negativity is spread from these very comment sections. Whether PS4/Xbox1 or WiiU just enjoy the experiences that you can better still, buy old games and relive or discover something new.

  • FutureFox

    It will do as good as SM3DW or a bit better in the first few months. I’m assuming the people who bought SM3DW like main mario titles or parents who thought it be a good introduction game for their kids. Those who know the kart series (a bit too well imo) will likely skip it due to A) not owning and have no desire to own Wii U B) own a Wii U but are tired of the series. So any chance of it doing exceptionally well, like 40% ratio, probably won’t happen because of those two reasons above.

    I’m fortunate to have played every single entry of….well most games really, so unlike some of the reviews from other sites claiming the game is much the same with (insert innovations here) that’s entirely their problem for being game-a-holics, or to better phrase it, franchise-a-holics.

    I think I only played 2 Mario karts: the N64 and Wii versions. All fun and games. If I had a Wii U I’d probably pick it up.

  • Jon Turner

    Oh for crying out loud, do we HAVE to have a highlight on this clickbait article? Given the megahype this game is receiving and how it’s doing on the preorder charts, there’s absolutely no reason to assume that this WON’T be a smash. A lot of people WANT to buy this game and have been waiting to buy a WiiU for this game alone. Hey, once upon a time, when 3DS was struggling, MK7 practically skyrocketed the system to success, as did many other titles. All WiiU needs is the same treatment, and bam. MK8 is already on that start.

    • Dark Lord Sauron

      dont forget people who plays on other consoles want to get a wii u for mario kart 8 as well

  • blasterman

    Mario Kart 8 will sell 2-3 million and will generate a profit on the game development. Nothing else on the Wii U this year with the possible exception of Smash Bros will generate a profit for the game. Nintendo will still lose money in 2014 because Mario Kart 8 can’t cover all the development losses on every other game.

    • Rinslowe

      Probably true for this year. But the games over time can become profitable for third parties. I think as gamer’s in today’s environment it is important to factor in development costs and sales as many studios are profitable but still have an issue on by how much “more so”, than not at all…
      I’m expecting Nintendo’s first and second party titles to be profitable earlier as Nintendo historically does not spend as much in development as a rule, compared to outside studio’s. They have all their manpower in house. They have a large back log of idea’s constantly in the development machine and all these factors together means less sales can be profitable sooner.

      Legend of Zelda on Wii U is the largest effort in Ninty’s history, but I would be willing to bet any amount that the costs involved are still nowhere near that of Destiny @ $100’s millions of dollars or Watchdogs @ $60+ m or GTAV @ $130+ m…

      I believe X has every chance of being profitable within the first 6 months. But Bayonetta 2 is anyone’s guess. The circumstances were a little desperate as no-one else was willing to pick up the tab and make it happen. So it’s possible Nintendo got that exclusive deal for a steal. But no way to really know for sure.

      • ben

        I think Nintendo spend a fraction of what Triple As’ spend on game development. For one thing Nintendo do little outsourcing. They barely spend on advertising.

    • ben

      I think Nintendo make a profit on almost everything.They barely spend any money unnecessarily.

      • blasterman

        I take it you haven’t been keeping up with Nintendo. Let me fill you in, they’ve lost money 3 years in a row. You don’t lose money by making a profit on “almost everything”. It was recently reported, on this very site no less, that Nintendo lost half a billion dollars over the last fiscal year (April 2013-March 2014). Add that to their previous losses, their real estate purchases, and their mass 2+ billion dollar stock buyback and they’re in trouble.

        To be clear, Nintendo’s cash position went from 10.5 billion on hand 2 years ago (when people were claiming Nintendo could take losses until 2052 and fund the company just fine) to 5.34 billion today.

        There’s this claim going around that Nintendo is “printing money with the 3DS”. That may be the case but the Wii U is losing all that money that the 3DS “prints” + 500 million dollars. Nintendo burned through 5 billion in cash in 2 years. At that rate they don’t have till 2052, they have till 2016. Nintendo has lost money on all but a few Wii U games. The install base is small and Nintendo had a difficult time learning HD.

        This is not to say that they can’t turn things around but you couldn’t be more wrong about their profitability.

        • ben

          You do understand that when you buy back shares, and buy real estate you do not actually lose that money? Or are you just being stupid intentionally?

          What I said was that Nintendo makes a profit on almost everything. How am I wrong. You list a lot of investments as loses, when they are investments. My point was that the games they make and the consoles they make are nearly always profitable.

          Even the wii U is now profitable.
          Making an operating loss means you spent more than you earned, it does not mean the products you made are not profitable.

          • blasterman

            Wow, I’ve not seen someone get so angry about a video game comment in a long time.

            When you buyback shares, you SPEND money. That money is GONE. You don’t suddenly have more cash, that’s a way of returning capital to shareholders. Share buybacks are NOT investments. Buying real estate isn’t much better unless you think they’re going to be able to sell that property for the same value to some company just when they need the money. Highly unlikely.

            The Wii U HARDWARE is profitable. The Wii U as a platform is NOT profitable. Almost every game is losing money. Sure they might make 10 bucks on the hardware but when they sell 100k copies of a game, they still take massive losses on the development of the game.

          • ben

            Since you have no idea how much a game costs for Nintendo to develop you are already just guessing.

            “Aside from paying out free cash flow, repurchases may also be used to signal and/or take advantage of undervaluation. If a firm’s manager believes their firm’s stock is currently trading below its intrinsic value they may consider repurchases. An open market repurchase, whereby no premium is paid on top of current market price, offers a potentially profitable investment for the manager. That is, they may repurchase the currently undervalued shares, wait for the market to correct the undervaluation whereby prices increase to the intrinsic value of the equity, and re issue them at a profit. ”

            this distinctively reads like the company is owning its own stock. I guess you were wrong again. What a fucking surprise.

            The wii U platform has an install base of over 5, which means each wii u has sold 5 games per console. That looks pretty much like the console will become very profitable in the near future.

            Land value in Kyoto is huge, however, it is beside the point a company has to invest to have a future.

            Lastly, why the fuck do you waste your time polluting a wii u website with your negative bullshit. It is clear from you are a sony fanboy. What do you gain from your spouting of incorrect business facts?

          • blasterman

            You don’t understand the way stock repurchases work. That describes exactly what I said. One of the reasons to buy back shares is because it’s undervalued, this increasing the value of remaining shares for the investors. A company does not “own itself”. If you own 1 share and I own one share, we each own 50% of the company. If the company buys back your share, I know own 100% of the company. My business information is in fact accurate.

            As for why I’m here, I own a wii u. While you might prefer to stick your head in the sand, most people here are well aware that Nintendo is doing really poorly. If you never want negative facts, then your best bet is to never use the internet.

          • ben

            No, you can’t read. The story at the time was that Nintendo bought back the stock to make a profit at a later date.

            Well here is a negative fact for you. The Sony has no money to pay for game development. It is a fact. The only games you will get as PS4 user are gimped PC games. If you feel that is a better situation than wii u then you are just stupid.

  • Rinslowe

    Book them and they will come….

  • Ninjatendo_forever

    I think that the HD treatment alone is worth the entrance pass, including the 12 player network feature and the two players 1 TV + network races, plus all kinds of other stuff.

    People will buy this; its mario kart!!!! mania and who doesn’t want to see Mario kart with all its glory in HD for less than 320 bucks? and.. and.. a free game to boot? there are some sweet bundles being created; so some traction will be generated.

    People keep talking negative, yet MSoft is now behind… and its SONY vs bigN…

    SONY= gaming looks exactly the same as PS3
    XBONE= gaming looks exactly like 360 but a camera required. (well not anymore)

    WiiU = looks like HD nintendo games for less…and these sweet games coming down the pipeline, nintendo was smart to fund some efforts, whos not going to buy Hyrulwe warriors if they are not a fan fo that game? In Japan it will go nuts for sure. Fatal Frame only for wii u? crazy japanese mobs for sure…bla bla bla..

    not to be a fanboy or anything.. :/

  • blahblahblah

    we know Xbox one won’t outsell wii u, PS4 and Wii U should be best buddies. They’ve ALWAYS outsold Microsoft. I think it’ll sell 20 million units possibly in a year? It’ll sell a million units in the first week maybe 2 million or maybe even 3 million! These people need to get off their wii’s and need to see what gaming is about when PS3 and 360 showed them what they can do. And nintendo showed them that and yes PS4 is more powerful than Wii U, but Xbox one? Truth: Virtual boy (Nintendo’s only system that failed) Is more powerful than Xbox one! Xbox one did pretty much die but sadly, June 9th it’s getting a price drop to strike back to PS4. And I know 3ds is outsellng Wii U by almost 7 times as much, But think of it: All nintendo handhelds have outsold the consoles! It’s something no one will ever understand the handheld i have is game boy advance. So handhelds have always outsold consoles, except sony because the psp was good close to outselling PS3, but now look, PS4 is already outselling Vita if sony is even doing anything with it. Nintendo, just get out of the handheld thing, you started it now you got Sony out of it, DON’T MAKE 2 CONSOLES AT ONCE!!!!! RIGHT NOW IT’S WII U’S TURN TO GET MORE POPULAR THAN YOU 3DS!

  • Nintendofreak

    well one thing is for certain… IT WILL SELL OVER 9000!

  • C.S. Bailey

    If it doesn’t move a million in the first month, I’ll be surprised. No going to expect too much more in the long run, but I see the first million moving rather quickly.

  • ben

    Mario 3d world has sold over 2 million copies, which makes polygons silly graph pointless if you think about it carefully.

  • dgallo911

    I reckon the additional game being offered with Mario Kart will help push it to almost 50% of current wii u owners as people like myself wouldn’t have bothered buying it for quite sometime but with the option of essentially getting to 2 games for the price of 1 (i will be picking up MH) i think its to good of a deal to simply pass on. Im not to sure how many new consoles Mario Kart will help sell though as Xbox have just announced the “kinect free” system which drives the price down to the PS4 (and lets not forget the E3 hype at the moment for Sony & MS) and im pretty confident a larger % of gamers would rather chip in an extra $100 for those systems.
    If Nintendo really want to drive sales of the system they need to use this free game promotion for ALL of their In house titles as the only thing better than getting the new Kart,DK,SSBM etc is getting a free game with it.
    FYI, The Wii U is the only next gen system in our household but it is also the least played by far and due to MS and Sony constantly having digital sales (Sony in particular is bleeding me dry) there is very little on the Eshop worth spending my money on and im guessing there are alot of ppl out there in the exact same boat.

  • matt

    Lifetime sales are going to be as good as previous i think because even 2 weeks before release its outselling mostly every game out there and wiiu consoles have been selling alot better in the UK with the Mariokart 8 wiiu premium getting to No98 last week for 2 days this is better then No247 in the charts ?????

  • Dimitri Theodosakis

    My bets for Mario Kart 8
    Lifetime Wii U Owners buy Mario Kart 8: 3.5 Million/6 MIlion
    New Wii U Sold along with just Mario Kart Game: 2-3 Million