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Nintendo’s silent struggle: is the future mimicry?

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It’s no secret that the Wii U has been struggling since it launched in 2012. It’s been an interesting road from the time of announcement at E3 2011, to the launch in 2012 and the eventual drought we saw at the beginning of 2013 that has stretched into 2014, only peppered with key releases here and there. Despite this, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata continually set lofty goals for the Wii U. At the beginning of 2013, Iwata predicted that by March 2014, his company would sell 10m Wii U units. We’re now in May and with Nintendo’s financial results, we know the future is much more dim.

So what went wrong? What is Nintendo doing to fix the problem? We’re going to be privy to that in just a few short weeks when their E3 presentation goes live. We’ll finally see what Nintendo plans on bringing to the future and whether or not they’ll have the staying power to continue to compete in the home console market.

The Problem Is You

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If at any point in time you have ever uttered the words, “I only buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.”, you are part of the problem. Every week of managing the content here at Wii U Daily, I see comments from people on indie games, on the loss of third party support, on the fact that Nintendo hasn’t released a game since February. They’re all similar and there’s enough of them from different people for this to be a problem. It seems like since the Gamecube era, Nintendo has been relegated to a second string console for many gamers. That’s not a sound business model.

Investors have been calling for Nintendo to go software and handheld hardware only for years and while Nintendo continually resists, if you’re one of the people who admittedly only buys hardware for Nintendo games, you’re part of a shrinking demographic that cannot keep Nintendo afloat in today’s economic waters. So let’s ask ourselves, why do people do this? Do they feel like third party games are inferior on Nintendo consoles? Yes, that’s often true. Warner Bros. Interactive has a history of releasing gimped versions of games for Wii U owners.

It’s understandable to be upset at some of these companies for their lackluster treatment of the Wii U. But at the same time, Nintendo cannot afford to have the world think of its console as a second string console only worthy of playing the latest Mario games. It’s not a sound business strategy. Nintendo needs its consumers to be more open-minded, but in that same vein, the company needs to be more open-minded itself.

The Problem Is Nintendo

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Nintendo has always had an air of arrogance in the way they conduct business. Until recently, Nintendo was fairly closed off to indie developers, not allowing them to develop for any platform unless they had an established office space. This air of arrogance has bled over into its customers as well. Frequently we see comments bemoaning the announcement of “yet another indie game” for the Wii U, when if it weren’t for these indie games releasing on the Wii U, you would have nothing to play outside of the one virtual console release each week and Mario Kart 8 in a few weeks.

This arrogance is what led Nintendo to pass on Skylanders as an exclusive concept for their platforms. Activision and Toys for Bob originally approached Nintendo about the possibility of the hardware giant backing the Skylanders concept in exchange for console exclusivity. Nintendo turned them down and surely must be kicking itself as the Skylanders franchise has gone on to be a billion dollar business, even spawning clones in the form of Disney Infinity.

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Nintendo probably realizes having Skylanders as an exclusive franchise was a missed opportunity, which is why they’re planning on mimicking the concept with their own NFC figurines that are compatible with both the Wii U and the Nintendo 3DS. The Wii U has an NFC chip built in that has only been used for Pokemon Rumble to date, a small eShop release with figurines that were never released outside of GameStop. It looks like Pokemon Rumble was a test bed for a more Skylanders-like experience, as Nintendo has shown concepts for figurines that work across multiple games.

This broad approach of bringing technology similar to what competitors use is foreign territory for Nintendo. Nintendo is usually the company that creates and then has competitors ape their products. We’ve seen it time and time again, from Microsoft’s current hard-on for motion controls in the Kinect, to Sony’s blatant rip-off of the SNES CD project which led to the creation of the PlayStation brand as a whole. It must feel entirely alien to Nintendo to look at a product and say, “We need to do that.”

Baby Steps

The fact that Nintendo is working on a Skylanders-like concept for its stock of franchises means that they’re open to competition. In previous interviews with Nintendo executives about the launch of the Wii U, many said they never looked at how Xbox LIVE or PlayStation Network works because they didn’t consider those consoles as competitors. That’s terrible news for gamers who expect a better experience for online gameplay from Nintendo, but the fact that the company is now looking at what competitors are doing and attempting to mimic that means Nintendo realizes it doesn’t exist inside a bubble anymore.

We’re finally seeing a company waking up and realizing that they can’t get by on producing one or two games a year. A company who now realizes that gamers demand an online service that functions well for multiplayer matches. It’s one of the reasons we’ve seen so much focus on the online aspects of Mario Kart 8. Nintendo has to get this right in order for non-Nintendo gamers to even be interested in the launch of Mario Kart 8 and exclusive features like being able to upload your race replays to YouTube is the correct direction.

Nintendo captured lightning in a bottle with the Wii, in that it released a product with easy to understand controls and casual games that would appeal to anyone from ages 6 to 95. In attempting to continue that success Nintendo stumbled, as the Wii U doesn’t have the same easy to understand controls and casual game focus as the Wii. I think Nintendo finally understands that the broad “blue ocean” strategy that worked so well for the Wii was due to a lot of factors that simply aren’t viable anymore nearly 7 years later.

With the renewed focus on providing experiences gamers want to play, the Wii U will eventually find its groove. It’s only taken knocking Nintendo off its virtual pedestal to get them there. I’m excited to see what E3 will bring, but I’m still holding my breath hoping Nintendo gets things right.

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  • https://www.imthegoddamnbatman.com Gamer Mania

    I think Nintendo can do it, if they show a shit ton of Wii U games that make amazing use of the Wii U gamepad AND have awesome 1st Party titles, expect Nintendo to make a big comeback

  • Gabe Hoffman

    I would disagree on the Skylanders part. Back then the idea of a game involving NFC toys was still a relatively unproven concept. There was no way of telling if Skylanders would take off or be a complete flop. Nintendo had good reason to be cautious. I don’t see why people consider indie game announcements arrogance

    • matthew garcia

      Either way Nintendo is screwing up. No defending that

    • C4

      - Exactly. Nintendo always use established hardware. Sometimes they are new & (r)evolutionary because no one else uses it like Nintendo. Sometimes uh not :P

      - All 3 manufactors were reserved _initially_ when it comes to indies. Today Nintendo gives them room and even pushes them on those kind of events. That’s a good thing.

  • Nintenjoe82

    Sean Bean knows

    • JudgeMethos

      Classic.

  • greengecko007

    I agree with mostly everything in this, except for the part about Nintendo turning down the Skylanders partnership. That seems to be a bit of a gray area… From what I understand they pitched the idea to NOA, who doesn’t have any real authority as we know, and at the time I don’t think anybody could have predicted the success the franchise would have now.

    As for everything else, I completely agree. We as Nintendo fans need to be more open minded sometimes, and not scoff at indie games coming to the Wii U just because we aren’t getting AAA games regularly. Additionally, Nintendo has their own problems to fix with their business models and relationships, but if nothing else they are clearly trying, even if it’s not as fast as we would like it.

    • DragonSilths

      I haven’t seen anyone bash indie games on Wii U?

      • greengecko007

        Check out some of the articles on this very website that confirm indie games are coming to the Wii U and you will see plenty of it. There’s tons of “not another indie game”, or “this looks like shit”.

        • DJKeens

          I’m guilty of it. I think it’s great they’re there but I look to them as filler between the big releases which we never see outside of Nintendo franchises. Well we see the articles of the titles skipping Wii U…

        • DragonSilths

          Troll’s and haters, that’s nothing new on the internet.

  • Mr Ninty

    wait sony didnt copy nintendo on the cd-based console idea. sony and nintendo had an agreement to release a console together called the nintendo playstation. on the last minute nintendo closed a deal with philips for the ultra-failed console philips cd-i. sony was pisted because of that and then put in motion there own console resulting in ps1.

    if you follow the line snes-> cd-i-> ps1 yeah then its copied. but nintendo didnt invent the cd so you cant realy blame sony for going with a cd-based console.

    but sony did copy ninty with there motion stick, and mirco copied sony for there kinect because ninty did so well.

    but for once nintendo copies a other, the father can learn from its children

    • greengecko007

      Huh, I didn’t even see that when I read the article, but you’re right. Sony didn’t copy Nintendo when they made the Playstation, Nintendo hired Sony to make them a product and then bailed out on them.

      • Shota

        because sony wanted like all the money from the sales they made.

        • matthew garcia

          Either way it was a bad move all the cool rpg developers left Nintendo and went to Sony cuz the disc format was better and cheaper then the cartridge

          • Shota

            true very true

          • Yen

            Cheaper yes, better depends on how you use it. PS had a horrible load time compared to cartridges. Cartridges back then also allowed developers to tweak the hardware of the system slightly to fit their needs.

          • matthew garcia

            The audio and the ability to do in game cinematics was way better. Also the disk held way more space. N64 games were usually under a 100mb. Where as 4 disk final fantasy games was over a gig

          • Yen

            But with cartridges, if they really want to, they could make a cartridge that held over a gig. It’d be huge, but they could, like how they made a game on 4 disks. So I consider that advantage more on the financial side. Audio and Cinematic was probably because the hardware was better designed for it?

          • DJKeens

            They could definitely do it but the costs would’ve been outrageous. To get the same amount of data a CD carries on a cartridge would’ve put an obscene price tag on the game. Look at the NEO GEO. It’s one major flaw was the astronomical price of the console and cartridges (I believe 700/200 respectively). The capabilities for audio and cinema were there, it was just a matter of space though kudos to Capcom for squeezing the two CD Resident Evil 2 onto a cartridge. Movies and audio were highly compressed but it was a phenomenal version.

          • Yen

            Yea, that’s why I said CDs are cheaper but whether its better depends on the situation. If we ignored the price, cartridges have a lot of good points, which is why handheld systems still use them probably. I was really just throwing ideas around.

          • DJKeens

            Agreed. Being that they are essentially an extension of the console load times were nonexistent. Additionally the add ons built in brought games like StarFox (SNES I know but still) to life. I agree completely that they really could’ve done superior versions of every PSX game if only that financial barrier wasn’t there.

          • matthew garcia

            I feel that when squaresoft leaves your company and goes to PlayStation to make final fantasy 7 they know of the advantages

          • C4

            Not just “cheaper”, publishers had to order a certain amount then wait
            weeks or month until Nintendo produced them in their own factories. The minimum amount for PS disks was around 1000 units and they were able to produce them almost instantly in every plant that was able to produce CDs. For publishers it was literally a godsend.

          • Yen

            That… kind of goes in the cheaper aspect that I was thinking of. I mean obviously even Nintendo went disk after N64 as well, I’m not trying to suggest new systems needs to go back to cartridges.

          • C4

            True, but for larger publishers it also means they can order a million a few weeks after the game released if there is demand and then don’t have to wait weeks / months until they get them produced. It added so much more flexibility.

        • greengecko007

          I’ve never seen any thing confirm this, even though I’ve seen variations of this rumor. What is confirmed is that Nintendo secretly hired both Sony and Philips to make them the same product, which is not only unethical, but later turned them both down, causing both companies to waste the money on development.

          • Shota

            hmm guess yamaguchi was too strict that he bailed sony and philips out?

    • DJKeens

      I don’t believe it was a console. It was the competing CD add on for SNES after the Sega CD launch. It was called the play station though. In hindsight the add on might not have done much for SNES, but the aftermath of the bail definitely put Nintendo on the defensive.

    • Jump’nShootMan

      I think the main point is that Sony took what they learned from the partnership and used that knowledge to develop their console. It’s not copying technology directly like the other examples, but I can see why it deserves mention in this context.

  • Ducked

    Nintendo has never put the same power specs to match PlayStation and Xbox (Xbox since 2001) since the Nintendo 64, which is why its missed plenty of third party games. These new game engines won’t run on the Wii U, at least some of them. I’ve supported plenty of third party games like Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Splinter Cell, Rayman, Need For Speed, etc. But the part where “you only buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games” isn’t a bad statement. Its true. Nintendo exclusives are what brings me and others to an Nintendo console. When you own a Wii U and PS4, or Wii and PS3, you’d rather buy the better version of the game. We shouldn’t be drones that work for Nintendo and purchase their watered down ports because Nintendo doesn’t match there consoles power up to PS and Xbox.

    On Nintendo’s problems, they’ve got a lot going on. They failed to market it after its launch, and have struggled ever since then with the Wii U. Luckily 3DS is selling great. It is the home console that’s the issue.

    • audi lover

      Wasn’t n64 a 64bit console ps and xbox 32bit?

      • matthew garcia

        Xbox was considered in the 128 bit category

        • audi lover

          Of course ps2 gen always forget xbox was that gen and not ps1 my 32 year old brain on its way out already haha

          • matthew garcia

            I’m 29 I’m right behind you lol

      • Thomas Stevenson III

        yep

    • Thomas Stevenson III

      actually the gamecube was more powerful than the ps2. the problem back then was no built in online support and it was purple. therefore ea sports games were missing features. the metal gear solid ports on the gamecube looked much better than they did on Ps2, but that online thing killed it for most developers. the framerate on the ps2 port of RE4 had to be lowered

      • DJKeens

        I’m not sure online was that important during that generation. PS2 did fine and there were an extremely limited number of games that actually used it (FF AND RE being the most notable titles). Plus there was an Ethernet adapter released for the GameCube but no one ever used it. I doubt the color had anything to do with it either considering the N64 sold like crazy and there were some disgusting colors out there (plus my GCN was black). I think it came down to space again. They were on DVD but it was a proprietary mini DVD that started at 1.5GB compared to PS2/XBox’s 4.5GB.

        • C4

          Phantasy Star Online. Proper online gaming on a Nintendo system in 2003 :-)

          • DJKeens

            Oh I forgot about that one! And the Mario Kart DD tunneling setup many people used.

    • Kay Wrobel

      Nintendo is not the one watering down those games, but the third-party developers are. I do agree that power isn’t everything. Nintendo really knows how to squeeze every once of goodness out of their hardware. That’s why they spend ages on developing their games. I just wish third-party developers would find ways to tweak their engines for Nintendo hardware. And come one, the Wii U specs are really not that bad at all. Triple core RISC at 1.25 GHz is not bad. Of course it’s not eight core either, but the PS4 only runs on, what, 1.5GHz? I really wish Nintendo would come out with a game that puts all those third-parties to shame. A mature, gritty game that has all the bells and whistles a CryEngine 3 or Frostbite 3 engine can produce, but Nintendo-grown. Then make that engine available for free to developers. Of course, it also needs to be well documented and in ENGLISH! Which I read in other articles, this is a real issue with Nintendo that third-parties can’t properly communicate with Nintendo. There are time barriers, language barriers, policy barriers all kinds of barriers. And I think that is why Nintendo has become unattractive for other many of the triple-A studios.

      Oh yah, the marketing is atrocious, too. Gee, and how many retailers had mixed up Wii and Wii U? And non-existent TV ads. Even my spouse knows about the PS4 and Xbox One because she ran across ads.

    • Zuxs13

      Gamecube was far more powerful than the PS2 and arguable more powerful than the Xbox. With Wii was the only time Nintendo didn’t compete with the other two.

    • http://sites.google.com/site/wiinupro Justin

      Not usually one to post just because some facts are wrong, but you’re wrong when you say “since the Nintendo 64.” The 64 was definitely more powerful than the PS1, and it used to always annoy me as a child when people said the PS1 had better graphics, especially when they were actually talking about pre-rendered cut-scenes. Top Gear Rally on the N64 that even had what was called PlayStation mode, and all it did was make everything low res and blocky (kinda funny actually). One final strike against 64 vs PS, if you play some Bleemcast games (playing PS1 games on Dreamcast) the DC was also able to clear up the graphics to make things a bit better and for some games it exposed warped textures in 3D games that weren’t noticeable on the PS due to it’s low resolution and it’s inability to render 3D well.

      As for the next generation, GameCube had better specs than the PS2 as did Xbox. Xbox had the best specs out of the 3 but PS2 was at the bottom. If I’m remembering correctly it had somewhere in the 700 MHz range processor and the GCN had in the 900MHz range while the Xbox was in the 1000MHz range, which was more significant back then.

      But yes, Wii and Wii U do not match up to their other generation members. No argument there, it was just the history I wanted to straiten out. And I’d agree, if you have multiple systems you probably want the one that offers the better experience, which to me would include a controller of choice, feature set, and graphics. But if you want pretty games you should really just get a PC, it tends to have the best graphics and the fastest loading times. To me, playing Fallout or the Elder Scrolls on a console is brutal due to the increasingly long loading times compared to how quickly everything loads on the computer.

      • Ducked

        I realize the N64 was more powerful than the PS1, and GameCube of course is more powerful than the PS1. But the Nintendo 64 and GameCube both had problems. The N64 had game cartridges instead of the discs which lead third parties away. The GameCube had smaller discs than the PS2 and Xbox. Even though the GameCube had more powerful hardware, it lacked memory due to the size of the disc. This kept big open world games like Shadow of Colossus, Grand Theft Auto, etc. I’m no graphics person, but the game has to be able to run on the hardware.

        • http://sites.google.com/site/wiinupro Justin

          Oh I see what you were saying. I thought only in terms of power, not what’s considered more technologically advanced. Though I preferred the faster loading times of the 64 and GCN, it was not a beneficial business choice. And if I recall correctly, the N64 was also initially hard to develop for.

  • Yen

    My only two complains about this article.

    1. “I only buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games.” Is that really so bad? It’s not my fault if I see a third party game and it doesn’t draw me in right away. But at least if I have bought the console for Nintendo games, I might be tempted to buy random 3rd party games later. Even then, Steam sales are just… too good to pass up? It’s hard to want to buy a 3rd party game that you might or might not want for $60 on console, but 50% off on steam? Made the game look a lot better!

    2. Nintendo SHOULDN’T be mimicing what the competitions are doing. I don’t want an online system that’s basically just another PSN or Xbox Live, I want something that’s better than what is already out there.

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      1. Yes, it is that bad. I’m not saying you should buy a product that doesn’t interest you, but every single week when I write about a game that isn’t directly from Nintendo, there’s a vocal group of whiners who call it shovelware or complain that it’s not a Nintendo game. That’s not a great attitude to have.

      2. Nintendo SHOULD be mimicking what the competition is doing when the competition does it better than you. If multiplayer for the Wii U worked as well as it does on Xbox LIVE, you would have no complaints about connections. I’m not saying Nintendo has to completely copy the XBL/PSN experience, but the basic functionality of the three should be on par with one another. Right now, the eShop isn’t.

      • DragonSilths

        1: Those are trolls and haters.
        2: The Wii U’s online is as good as the others, it just needs Party Chat and to actually be used on games instead of just local multiplayer.

        • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

          You just listed two things that make the online experience inferior to competitor products. And they’re major things. That makes them not as good as others, as you have put it.

          • DragonSilths

            Not being used doesn’t make the actual online itself bad….like come on wake the fuck up. And Yes lack of Party Chat does make it sub par compared to the other, but its not a need all, be all. Blame Nintendo wanting to protect kids they think are still innocent on not having the damn thing. Cause before the Wii U launched Iwata said Party Chat would come at some point during the Wii U’s life, obviously he changed his mind about that though.

        • matthew garcia

          I think other people play online on other consoles more cuz there are just a lot more people. It’s easier to find people who are a whole lot better gamer then you are that way. I get my ass kicked a lot online lol

          • DragonSilths

            Fair point, but again most of the United States gamers love the Xbox. You don’t see many Japanese gamers on it though lol.

      • Yen

        I’m not saying I agree with the whiners. Some of those games you covered looks interesting and I think it’s great that you gave them a spot on this site to be noticed. However, all consoles need something that’s different about them to sell, otherwise why would I buy it? For Nintendo, what makes them great is the games, so I buy their systems for it. Now, if a game I’m interested in is released on Wii U, I will buy the Wii U version no question, because it supports my investment in the Wii U.

        Microsoft has decades of experience building computers and online services, plus $50 a year from the users, of course Xbox Live has a great connection. That’s not something I think Nintendo can just mimic even if they want to (or maybe they already are who knows). I assume one of the basic functionality you were thinking of is an account system that is not tied to the console. Which would be nice, but to build the system is not an easy task, which is why I want to see where they take the NNIDs in the future.

    • DJKeens

      It’s a vicious circle. Third parties don’t want to devote the resources to creating a suitable port on Wii U in fear that it won’t sell. Inferior port doesn’t sell. Use less resources. The problem isn’t the customer, it’s the publishers and developers. Somewhere along the way they’ve developed this idea that they must see the money before they’ll release a good product. But if it’s not a good product why should they expect it to sell? Further they make other console versions more appealing. Take Mass Effect 3. Has some of the DLC sure, but it’s a year old and 60 bucks. Plus the trilogy is available on competing consoles at a cheaper price. Of course a savvy customer will purchase the other versions.

      As for online, yes they do need to start mimicking the competition. They do need to put their own spin on it which I think Miiverse does that fine but not having what’s considered the basic functionality of an online ecosystem does not draw in the customer.

      • Yen

        It really is, I’m actually fairly interested in the Mass Effect series, and had they brought the trilogy to Wii U I would’ve bought it no question. Fact is, they decided Wii U only get ME3, which, I’m not going to buy before I played 1 and 2. Same with Assassin’s Creed. Why would I buy 3 when I haven’t even played 1 and 2 yet? Yea I could have bought them on PC or another console, but if I did that I might as well get 3 on those platforms too then. I think consumers are to blame to an extend, like not understanding the difference between a Wii and Wii U and buying the wrong one, that’s the consumer’s fault for not doing their research before buying technology.

        The only thing I think they need for their online system is to put games on the account and not the console. A cloud system for save data would be icing on the cake. Seeing what Nintendo have been doing with the NNID gives me some hope that that’s what they’re working on. So hopefully that’s the case.

  • Santiago

    There are other factors for which I preffer to download a game in xbox 360 and not in wii u, for example the restriction that the copy of the game belongs to the console and not to me scares me a bit. What if I want to change my Wii U because I now want the black one with the zelda gamepad? or the mario kart? That is what keeps me from getting more games for wii u.

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      That is totally understandable and that’s one of Nintendo’s problems it needs to work out. Nintendo of America understands that very real fear, they’ve been pushing for ages to get Nintendo of Japan to tie purchases to an account instead of a console.

      • DragonSilths

        very real fear?

        • Keith

          Damn you must be young kid!!

          • DragonSilths

            Nah, I’m 23. Just being my usual unpleasant, arrogant, smug self :)

      • darkcreap

        Really? How do you know NOA is pushing NOJ in that sense? First word I hear of that. I wonder in how many other fields they are trying to push NOJ in other aspects (eg: global online platform like Xbox’s, approaches to third parties, etc) that would benefit Nintendo in general.

    • audi lover

      Buy them on disc where there a hell of a lot cheaper then, 25 for smbu or 50 downloaded, dose not make sense to download if you can pick up a physical copy for cheaper

      • Zuxs13

        That isn’t always the case. I bought many games on the Wii U where the digital version was much less, plus I got Deluxe promotion points out of the DL too.
        If i buy mario kart u digital dl version i will get an extra game on top of WW, Pikmin etc , for free! And it will cost the same price as the Physical copy.

        • audi lover

          I think that promotion includes the disc game for Mario cart but i have all the games anyway so to late there and i dint pay over £22 (uk) any of those games either just don’t see the point, the shops five mins away and downloading monster hunter 3 took 5 hours, could have been playing for 4.30 of those and had lunch

    • Zuxs13

      To be fair the games on Xbox you down load don’t “belong” to you either. MS can take them away at anytime, they can shut down the cloud servers and they would be gone or not accessible.
      But I agree not having a true account system is a big issue. Good thing I never sell or trade in my Nintendo consoles and they rarely break.

  • WiiUPS4

    I just nintendo to release more games not more excuses

    • Kay Wrobel

      Bring them, Nintendo, bring them. Also, if Nintendo really has that many cash reserves, why don’t they spend some of that money and hire more talent, or buy some studios, or create studios with lots of talent? They could easily create a studio that just deals with more mature games. I think, Nintendo just doesn’t want to go after the mature audience… at all. It’s just not in their philosophy. Iawata said it himself: they want to improve life via entertainment. He keeps quoting his former boss on this topic quite often. I don’t think he considers a hard-core game (whatever its definition is) to bring quality of life. That’s just my take on that issue.

      • WiiUPS4

        Nintendo needs mature games as well if they want the hard core games back

      • http://Website.com Shane Michaels
        • Kay Wrobel

          Yes, go out and buy a Wii U… Right now! :-) … … Did you do it? I expect a full report in the morning ;-)

          • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

            Not until May 30th.

  • D.M.T

    “If at any point in time you have ever uttered the words, “I only buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.”, you are part of the problem”

    ^This. A hundred times this!!! I’ve been saying that exact same thing for years. If you only buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games then YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!! I don’t care why you do it, fact is you are part of the problem.

    It truly sickens me when so called “Nintendo fans” say stupid shit like this. Why buy Nintendo consoles only for Nintendo games? Why limit yourself like that? If a multiplat game looks and plays good on the Wii U then buy the Wii U version. Don’t ignore the Wii U version just because the PS4 version has slighty better graphics.

    • DragonSilths

      Those people mean a Nintendo made game will always take priority over a 3rd party game. It doesn’t mean people cant or wont buy a third party game on a Nintendo console, but they pretty much have no interest in 3rd party games. To be honest most 3rd party games and developers are utter shit these days anyway. While its opinion really, but other then Destiny, Batman Akrham Knight, and Project Cars, I personally see no 3rd party game this year that is worth a damn, Now Project Cars is coming to Wii U unlike the others, and I’ll get it cause its actually using the Wii U properly. But the fact is the same, You do buy a Nintendo made system, for Nintendo games. that will never change, and that’s not the problem. The problem is Iwata and the money from the DS and Wii went to his head, and he no longer listens to the damn fans. If a Starfox game was made for Wii U, the Wii U wouldn’t be in this situation.

      • D.M.T

        Stop pointing fingers at Iwata and acting like you’re not the problem because fact is you are. Yes Nintendo games will ALWAYS take priority over 3rd party games but that doesn’t stop me from buying good multiplat games on the Wii U. You’re right, most 3rd party games are dogshit but some of them are actually good and if there’s a Wii U version and this version is good then you should buy the Wii U version. You are not forced obviously to buy the Wii U version but if you really want the Wii U to succeed then you need to buy the Wii U version. Starfox will not safe the Wii U dude and stop acting like Iwata denied you a Starfox game for the Wii U because he didnt. Maybe they ARE working on a new unannounced Starfox game. Sometimes Iwata don’t listen to the fans simply because he shouldn’t listen to us all the time. Fans don’t always know what’s best for business.

        • Yoshifan3

          wow you have anger issues. you need to take anger management, or better yet, take a break from the internet.

          • D.M.T

            Stop saying stupid shit and i’ll be nicer. Stop being in denial and i’ll be nicer. It’s that simple.

          • Yoshifan3

            lol how am i in denial? i gave my honest opinion and you spit and shit on it.

            anyway, im done talking to a brick wall, have fun being angry.

          • D.M.T

            LOL i’m not even angry. I won’t waste my time being angry at you. I just don’t feel like being super duper nice to you because you can be an asshole too sometimes.

          • Michael Rowlands

            I can see were you are coming from not like some people on here……Nintendo fanboys are killing the wii u and only want to hear good things about Nintendo

          • Yoshifan3

            lol how am i a fanboy? i have a pc, ps4, 360, and wii u. now am i a fanboy?

            what mangus gonzalez said, i will buy what i want, because its my decision, im not going to support 3rd party on wii u because they release too many gimped versions, i just refuse to support that ethic. i will support 3rd party on my ps4.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            yeah, he’s a giant C

        • Mario

          Oh for Christ’s sake! We’re all part of the problem! End of story!

          • Michael Dierlam

            Anyone with any business acumen would never suggest that paying customers are part of the problem. Consumers (gamers) make buying decisions based off of what appeals to them. They are under NO social or moral obligation to buy anything they don’t want. If they prefer a 3rd party game on another console, that’s their prerogative. It’s also a SMART consumer decision if the game on another console is superior. It is 100% Nintendo’s choices that have caused this. They elected to produce a console that developers struggle to utilize, and don’t see as much of a profit from due to a low install base. I LOVE Nintendo, and we give feedback to them with our $$$$$$. Let’s hope they get the message.

          • Skelterz

            I completely agree since did we have to do nintendo’s job i don’t understand why so many people agree with it.its fucking ludicrous.

          • Stephen Macneil

            Completely agree!

        • Skelterz

          But why are people who buy Wii U consoles in the wrong because they only want nintendo software, I as a person don’t feel responsible its down to the company to make it worth while owning 3rd party software on the wii u and at the same time if i have another system that has extra content at no extra cost why am i going to get the Wii u version. Its down to nintendo to MAKE 3rd party devs release equal if not exclusive material for multiplats for there system and if they don’t the wii u owners are not to blame and shouldn’t feel guilty what’s so ever.

        • Skelterz

          Fans also don’t know the ins and outs of a business situation a company is in saying people are part of the problem makes you look fickle im sure if ashley wrote that a new starfox game would bring doom to the wii u you’d agree with that to would you.

        • DragonSilths

          Clearly Nintendo doesn’t know whats best for business so there is 0% chance that listening to us will make things any fucking worse. And Miyamoto himself said yeah they know people want Starfox but they don’t know what to do with it and they wont let others work on it. Iwata could change that so yes its his damn fault. And when he said “You want a game from the gamecube era?” Here you go, you get CHIBI ROBO!!! Like seriously what a bitch slap in the face to everyone. Nobody asked for that shit. And you underestimate Starfox. At this current point it wont save Wii U, cause nothing will, its past the point where ANYTHING can “save” it. But a Starfox game last year during Starfox’s 20th anniversary would have helped out quite a lot. And for me personally, on the matter of 3rd party games, I am not part of the problem. I don’t really buy 3rd party games on ANY system really. Like I said, most are SHIT. (My opinion) Games like GTA 5, Skyrim and all those supposedly amazing games I have no interest in. Other then the Tales Of Games from Namco, and Rocksteady’s Batman games, I didn’t get a whole lot of 3rd party games last gen.

          • D.M.T

            I stopped reading when you said, and I quote: “Clearly Nintendo doesn’t know whats best for business so there is 0% chance that listening to us will make things any fucking worse”

            Nintendo doesn’t know what’s best for business? LOL you’re right, a company that exists since 1889 doesn’t know what’s best for business. A company that has been in the home console and handheld console for 30 years doesn’t know what’s best for business. A company that sold 150 million DS units and 100 million Wii units doesn’t know what’s best for business. Yeah you’re right….NOT!!! You couldn’t be more wrong.

          • DragonSilths

            Oh? So IWATA has been around since Day 1 of Nintendo huh? Nintendo is around because of its past, Nintendo is passed its prime. Iwata is the start of it going downhill, before him, Hiroshi Yamuchi did a great job, he knew what was great for business. Iwata is not the same man, to think he knows whats best for business then looking at what he has done with the Wii U is UNDENIABLE that he doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing. Hell he even said so himself, HE MISREAD THE MARKET WRONG, TWICE. As for the DS and Wii, the Wii was lightning in a bottle, it was a once in a life time miracle that caught the casuals. In other words, Iwata got lucky. And the DS, there was nothing wrong with that, but Nintendo has NEVER had a problem with the handheld market.

          • D.M.T

            Stop making excuses and stop disrespecting Iwata,you aren’t better than him. If Iwata doesn’t know what’s best for business than Hiroshi Yamuchi didnt know either because the original Playstation was far more successful than the N64 and he allowed the GameCube to have Mini Discs instead of DVD like the PS2 and Xbox. That’s one of the things that hurt the GameCube in case you didn’t know. But truth is he knew what was best for business and so does Iwata. People are allowed to make mistakes and Iwata is man enough to admit his mistakes but he is also good enough to have the Wii U RECOVER from his current struggles. Stop making lame excuses dude, it doesn’t matter why Wii was successful, point is it was successful thanks to Iwata. Only an ignorant douchebag would say that Iwata got lucky with the Wii.

          • DragonSilths

            Yamuchi was better for the GAMERS. He gave them what they want. I’m not talking money wise. While the Gamecube may have came in “3rd” it was still the best of the 6th gen. It’s games were magical.

          • D.M.T

            Satoru Iwata has been the president of Nintendo since 2002 which means that Iwata was president during the GameCube era and you said that the GameCube was the best of the 6th gen because its games were magical which means that Satoru Iwata GAVE YOU WHAT YOU WANTED in the 6th gen because he was the president, not Yamuchi lol. You have no idea what you’re talking about and I just exposed that. Yamuchi wasn’t better for the gamers than Iwata because a lot of people, including me, preferred the Playstation over the N64.

          • DragonSilths

            Iwata came in as president a year after the Gamecube was released. Yamuchi made the Gamecube. You are such a disgrace to Christian, you really should change your picture, and learn to bow down to gods.

          • D.M.T

            Did you just imply that you’re a god? Lol now i’ve seen it all. Yamuchi made the GameCube but it was IWATA who gave you those magical games

          • DragonSilths

            So your saying the games were all started by Iwata 2 years after he came into the Gamecube cycle? So who made the games that came out during its 1st 2 years? EXPOSED. And yes, I am a deity. Don’t be jealous that you aren’t as confident in yourself as I am.

        • DragonSilths

          Also I wasn’t talking as a “fan” for when I say what’s best for business, and how ironic is it that your avatar is Christian from WWE, and HHH is always saying “best for business.” I’m speaking as myself, an indie dev. Just saying I don’t plan to run my business the same as that idiot. And I defended Iwata for years. I got to the point where I woke up. He is a problem. Yes he is a very good guy, passionate and such, but he needs to be removed. Not from Nintendo, but as the President.

          • D.M.T

            That “idiot” has accomplished more in his life than you. Nintendo has been the most successful financially with this “idiot” as its President. This “idiot” has more experience running a business than you. I’m not saying that Iwata isn’t capable of making mistakes because clearly he’s made some mistakes but calling him an idiot makes you a much bigger idiot since he’s more experienced, more successful and more knowledgeable than you.

          • DragonSilths

            That was so pointless. I never brought me into this, and you know what? like 99% of the people in the world are more successful then me AND YOU, you moron. By your logic the President of EA isn’t an idiot after all the shit he has done involving the Wii U and Nintendo, cause he is rich and “successful.” Money has nothing to do with being an idiot, mindless sheep followers will do that to you. Look at COD and Activision…Money is a trivial material possession, I don’t give to shits about money.

          • D.M.T

            I wasn’t just talking about money you idiot, I was talking about accomplishments in general. Satoru Iwata, the man you called an “idiot”, has accomplished more in his life than you. I brought you into this because you implied that you are better than Iwata when you said that you don’t plan to run your business the same as that “idiot”. Well that idiot can run a business better than you because he’s more experienced, more successful and more knowledgeable. 99% of people are more successful than me and you? Maybe 99% is more successful than you but not me. Stop acting like you know more about business than Iwata because if they were to name YOU the President of Nintendo than you wouldn’t know what to do and Nintendo will be doomed for sure in your hands. Show some respect to Iwata you moron.

          • DragonSilths

            You just cant let it rest can you. I DO NOT LIKE IWATA. YOU LIKE IWATA. Why can’t you accept that. Not sure if your American, but they have a thing called freedom of speech, while I ‘m a Canadian point is, people can say whatever they fucking want. I have no interest in being more successful then Iwata. And if I were to run Nintendo, yeah I would probably kill off the Japan side unfortunately since I don’t know shit about it like he doesn’t understand this region. I would say NO MORE DAMN MARIO FOR 3-4 years, Starfox, F-Zero, Custom Robo and such will be the focus. Its not a popularity contest, its about winning and losing and Iwata is losing and he made the Wii U lose, not 100% his fault but a large portion of it is.

          • D.M.T

            I know all about freedom of speech which is why I’m saying what the fuck I want. I accept the fact you don’t like Iwata and honestly I don’t care that you don’t like him. What bothers me is how you don’t give credit where it’s due and you are spreading your ignorance all over Wii U Daily. You have no interest in being more successful than Iwata because you obviously can’t. You would kill Nintendo Of Japan? You mean the heart of Nintendo? Nintendo can’t survive without the Japan side lol. You would focus on Custom Robo? Lol most people don’t give a fuck about Custom Robo. Yeah it’s about winning and losing and Nintendo would lose horribly if you were the president lol.

          • DragonSilths

            No you misunderstand what I said. What I meant is I don’t know the Japanese Market so I would end up killing it since I don’t understand what they want. I didn’t mean I would intentionally kill it.

          • F Tyse

            Honestly, the wii-u, regardless of true “system power” arguments, these words are exactly one of the major if not dominate reasons Nintendo is in it’s current predicament. The general feeling of non-fanboy gamers is it’s a weak system. The rumors about it’s weakness were headline news (true or not) it didn’t matter as Nintendo already had a history or legacy of not embracing the graphics rat race, mainly due to the Wii (regardless of it’s success) within days of the Wii-U release there were devs boycotting franchises based on the system specs, hackers with info about the chip architecture – and the headlines on that was it’s an old discarded chip design. So, true or false, that’s what was said about the system. Then there is the fact that the system regardless of
            It’s ingenuity – will have issues running the now current gen games as well as the competition (even if only speculative) is enough to scare away 3rd party Ip.

            Nintendo should have come out of the gate hailing the system power – and making a product with flashy numbers, bragging about the # of processor Cores, video ram, and raw power – IF they really cared about developing 3rd party support.

            The word on the street that has always surrounded this console was it’s lackluster power and the question of it’s capability to be considered “next gen” – Nintendo should have known this after all the complaints of bad ports / practically redone games on they Wii. So it is THEIR fault for not seeing what was so clear to us. I am unhappy about my wii u purchase, because I had hoped to have a day where I could play most of my favorite ips on one console

        • Commander Jim

          You heard him folks, it’s your DUTY to spend your heard earned money on inferior software to help Nintendo’s shareholders bank balance grow. If you don’t, YOU are the problem. Nintendo’s terrible business decisions have nothing to do with it.

        • GmailIsDown

          why should anyone buy the Wii U version when they can get a better version on other consoles instead of a half-assed port? besides Ubisoft, which big 3rd party developer is wholeheartedly supporting Wii U right now? we are not doing charity here. it is Nintendo’s problem that they are unable to attract 3rd party developers. if they really have piles and piles of cash and do not want to give up on Wii U, they could use their piles of cash to provide incentives to 3rd party developers. ultimately it is about the quality and quantity of the games.

          and one game can’t save Wii U. “If game A was made for Wii U, the Wii U wouldn’t be in this situation.” makes no sense. there is no single game that can save a console. Wii U needs lots and lots of games, mainstream AAA games instead of sequels and remakes with outdated mechanics that have more nostalgic value than anything.

          i personally think Nintendo should come up with a new console that is more powerful in terms of raw hardware power than PS4 and Xbox One, and make it easy to port games over from other consoles and PC. heck maybe even add keyboard and mouse support. that way, at least gamers who want the best possible experience but can’t afford a high-end gaming PC or can’t stand always online DRM will go to this console for 3rd party games. and when there are enough 3rd party games, everything else will pick up naturally.

          stop pouring money into a lost cause. Wii U is going to stay as a niche no matter what happens. Wii U is not going to recover like 3DS. Vita has been doing abysmally bad and 3DS basically had no competition besides itself and fragmented smartphone market, while Xbox and PS have always been doing very well.

          one thing about Japanese companies in general is that it is very difficult for them to admit their mistakes, and it is very difficult for them to change. they will try to do their best to cover up their mistakes, and to try to come up with all kinds of things to refuse change. Nintendo made a bet on the gamepad and cheaper hardware, and they lost. it is time to move on and recover, go back to the drawing board and start all over again, instead of desperately trying to make it look less a mistake than what really is. it hurts the company. it hurts Nintendo as a brand.

          • D.M.T

            I don’t know if you people misunderstand what I say or if you’re just dumb. I’m not gonna repeat myself. Believe whatever you want and i’ll do the same.

          • GmailIsDown

            that is really an informative post. believe what you want to believe then. wii u is going down no matter what so feel free to waste money on every 3rd party game released on wii u. meanwhile i am staying away from it like a plague.

      • Thomas Stevenson III

        true. nintendo needs to go back to the N64 days when they released a great console game every few 3-4 months. expand there game development studios since it takes longer to make games these days

      • Assassinated23

        I was going to buy Watchdogs on WiiU, but with the delay, I’m not so sure anymore.

        • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

          i have my pre order for wii u since june last year, i don’t gonna cancel it

      • bob

        Every fan says make mu game and it will solve your issues. They need multiple good first party games covering different genres to succeed. They also need to start making massive dlc to keep us going on the games or allow some type of user dlc. Never liked star fox so that isn’t even appealing to me. I think they need to add a level creator to new super mario bros with online sharing as a start and continue through the rest of their games. They need something new, not just following the shadows of others.

      • Nicole Delgado

        Starfox isn’t really that big of a seller so even if they
        did make a new game (which would be cool) it wouldn’t be much help to the Wii
        U. The reason why there hasn’t been a new SF game in years is because the last
        3 games in the series (Adventures, Assault and Command) didn’t sell that well. Even
        Starfox643D, which is a remake of what is considered to be the best game in the
        series, sold poorly. It was in the same commercial as OoT3D, MK7, SM3DL and Kid
        Icarus Uprising and it was the only one of those games that didn’t sell.

        • DragonSilths

          Looks like I have to dust off the old book of truth again I see.
          Dust, dust, dust.
          (Clears throat) “Mhm”
          Starfox Adventures and Starfox Command were not even Starfox games from the beginning they were later slapped with the Starfox IP way later in development. Adventures was Dinosaur Planet remember. So those 2 games we cant say sold badly due to the fact they were never true Starfox games. Especially Command, that was a bad game across the board, bad Starfox game, bad game period. We don’t even talk about it, in fact both you and I will be beheaded for bringing it up. Now Starfox Assault was a very solid and fun game. In my opinion it was far better then 64, 64 is the best people say do to nostalgia. Its the 2nd best.
          Now the last little nugget of info. Remember a game called DKC Returns on the Wii? It sold very well because DK was absent for a fair amount of time. Starfox would replicate that same result. Look at all the people who over the past 2 years have been wanting a new Starfox. I would say its the most requested Nintendo IP that people want to see on the Wii U (not including the obvious ones that are coming like Metroid).
          As for the sales bit, Wii U sales have been piss poor since launch, so there is no way it gets any worse doing a Starfox game, especially if Retro or Platinum did it. Hell even let Namco do it again (Assault) That way Nintendo isn’t losing their Devs time on it and they can make another 12 Mario games that they think we all want. Point is Wii U is failing so obviously If they don’t try something else it will never get better.
          So in closing I say, Starfox is the savior. Maybe cause I am a Starfox fanboy, but that’s okay. Starfox will save the Wii U (along with some damn advertisement!!! Its less then 3 weeks till MK8 and there is still no commercials…just fucking sad.)

    • Yoshifan3

      LOL but its true that we only buyt nintendo consoles for nintendo games. the reason why nobody buys third party games on nintendo consoles is because they cant compete with nintendo games, so thats why third parties dont want to be on nintendo consoles.

      almost any nintendo gamer has one or more consoles for their third party needs. thats how i do it, i have a pc, ps4 and wii u. and my wii u is getting more love because of first party games.

      • matthew garcia

        Nah its not cuz of that it’s cuz Wii u is selling like crap and they actually want there game to make money

        • Yoshifan3

          i agree its not doing well, but my point was that you buy ninty consoles for ninty games is because they are a work of art. MK8 is my most anticipated game this year. i have a lot of friends that are super excited for it and i believe it will push consoles.

          • matthew garcia

            That depends on what u like. I have a Wii u for other games that are not Mario. Mario is childish to me but u may see it as a masterpiece. I like heavy story telling in my games. I believe less people each gen are starting to see Nintendo games as masterpieces. Just look at the sale dropoff

          • Kay Wrobel

            See I used to think that way, too. But picking up a Mario game after shooting and shooting and shootings some more bad guys, it gets really refreshing to stomp on goombas or throw fireballs at Koopa Troopas. And I don’t have to follow a story cause there typically is little to none. That said, I also enjoy a good, story-driven game, like Fallout 3 for example.

            I think the real issue with the third parties is that Nintendo went their way first and didn’t shmoose them like Microsoft and Sony did. They felt not involved at all. And then Nintendo just came out with the Wii U and said: here it is, folks. I don’t know, I think Nintendo really does have to open up and listen not only to its fans, but the many developers out there that can drive sales to the Wii U. I for one think the gamepad is awesome and should be utilized by more games. After all, Nintendo is marketing it as the “way you play next”. And then their own games don’t even showcase the pad. Heck, in DKTF, the pad’s screen is actually turned off.

          • C4

            But you are far from alone. NSMB sold like crazy on Wii. Once people have the console they buy all kinds of games. Good Mario games / platformers is just not enough incentive to make more people buy a console, at least not a ~300$ one.

          • Kay Wrobel

            And they still don’t have a Super Mario 3D World bundle for $299. Only the NSMBU bundle. And quite honestly, if I had a Wii and NSMB, why would I buy a Wii U with NSMBU? They are practically the same game only with less jaggies. But, a 3D World bundle? Or a DKTF bundle? Well, at least they are coming out with a MK8 bundle.

            What they really need is a COD killer of their own. But that’s just not their style of game. Although a Metroid game with an amazing online MP component, I could see that as a COD killer, tbh.

          • matthew garcia

            The thing is that most people believe that if your not into Mario it’s cuz your into call of duty which is not true. My favorite genre are good rpg’s that take 40 plus hours to beat. Those are why I’m not into Mario anymore. That’s why I’m really looking forward to x

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            right? and I don’t find it arrogant that you might not be buying a Wii U or any other games on Wii U if X is the game you want. You will probably get more hours of gameplay, money’s worth, and enjoyment from that one game then you would several 3rd party games. You know your taste and that is your right. This article reads as if you are part of the problem. Ridiculous.

        • Thomas Stevenson III

          the wiiu is elling like crap because its not getting third party support. if people new all those third patry games were coming to the wiiu, more people would get it. its also nintendos fault for still being secretive about what games they have in development. we should have known about mario 3d worlds before E3 of last year. Nintendo should at least announce what they have in development so 3rd party developers know its safe to dive in

          • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

            This particular pitfall i disagree with. Although it’s not getting 3rd party support, i wouldn’t blame that on the Wii U’s poor sales. I’d say (imho) that it’s lack of proper marketing as well as lack of 1st party support, at least in the same way that the 3DS gets.

          • matthew garcia

            Well it’s not getting support cuz Nintendo made a console 3rd party developers don’t wanna deal with. Nintendo should have built a different console. Sales show this

      • D.M.T

        Hey Yoshifan, thanks for admitting that you are part of the problem. There’s no shame in your game but you should be ashamed of yourself.

        I admit that 3rd parties can’t compete with Nintendo games in terms of quality but that won’t stop me from buying Sonic games, Batman, Lego City etc. on the Wii U.

        I have a PS4 too and yet I buy multiplats on Wii U like WATCH DOGS. Yeah you see I won’t buy the PC or PS4 version just because it looks prettier than the Wii U version because i care about what really matters, the gameplay.

        • Yoshifan3

          well since you are obivously a child that has to result to insults, that means i won this argument, since i tried talking to you nicely.

          i wish you the best in life.

          • D.M.T

            LOL where in my comment did I insult you? I didn’t insult you at all. You are just sensitive. Truth hurts.

          • Yoshifan3

            lol i aint sensitive. what you did there, you insutled me by telling me im sensitive. and that truth hurts. thats an insult.

            you told me i should be ashamed of myself for my honest opinion. thats an insult. if i was sensitive i would have told you i was offended, but i am not offended.

          • D.M.T

            LOL if that’s an insult to you then i would hate to see how you will react when I actually insult you.

            Yes you should be ashamed because you are part of the problem. You don’t need to tell me you are offended because i know you are.

          • Yoshifan3

            wow, i didnt know you had telepathy! you must be the first person on earth to have that power. tell me more about it!

            i aint mad. im pretty chill right now. i have 99 jimmies and none of them are rustled.

            im going back to the forum lol.

          • Skelterz

            that DMT thinks hes like the messiah or something man he’s a douche.

          • Wilks

            The biggest douche on the internet.

        • CyanideInsanity

          I understand that it is an issue, but why the hell should we feel shame? I prefer pc with 60fps not because it looks ‘prettier’ but because it feels better.

          People going specifically for “pretty shinies” are definitely part of the issue, but those who go for the feeling aren’t “exactly”. You could have a game with the best graphics and I wouldn’t even touch it if it had obnoxious amounts of head bob to the point of nausea.

          • D.M.T

            If 60fps is your reason to buy the PC version of a multiplat game than no you shouldn’t be ashamed of yourself. I would do the same if I cared about PC gaming.

            Gameplay > graphics any day of the week. Those who disagree should be ashamed of themselves. That’s my point.

          • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

            DMT, as much as i respect your passion for your philosophy on the subject, i personally don’t think people should be ashamed of themselves for buying a game on their platform of choice, ya know? People buy games for different reasons, and while i agree with you that gameplay > graphics, if there’s a multiplat game i want that benefits more from, lets say, ps4 over the wii u, i’ll buy it for ps4 (if i had the ps4.) and it’s not always about graphics, it could be about better online capabilities, better social capabilities like video/screenshot sharing, controller preference, etc. I’m a Wii-U owner and a Nintendo fan, but i wouldn’t buy a port of a game simply to support the hardware when there is a better option out there for me, ya know?

          • D.M.T

            You misunderstood my point even though I was crystal clear about it. At least that’s what i thought. I never said that people should be ashamed for buying a game on their console of choice. If you think that the PS4 version is the best because of online capabilities and video/screenshot sharing then by all means buy the PS4 version! But if you buy the PS4 version just because the graphics are prettier or because you just don’t want the Wii U version then you should be ashamed of yourself. Better graphics doesn’t make the PS4 version better than the Wii U version. You my friend should never be ashamed of yourself but those who always say: “Nintendo consoles are for Nintendo games” should be ashamed because they are part of the problem. Judging from your comment you aren’t part of the problem.

          • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

            yeah, i can attest to being misunderstood in comments/text messages/anywhere where my facial expressions/tone of voice can’t aid in conveying what i’m trying to say. seems to be what makes the comment section conversations to flair up.

          • Kay Wrobel

            Agreed. Saying to buy Nintendo consoles for their games only is kind of an arrogant stance ignoring the many awesome games out there that are not produced by Nintendo. It’s like saying, yah, I just get it for X because it’s going to be the most awesomest RPG out there where games like Fallout 3 or others like that are also great games to have fun with. Instead, it sounds more like “I could care less about Fallout 3 because it is inferior to anything Nintendo would come up with”. It’s a slap in the face of developers who spend a lot of heart and soul creating those games.

            Here’s the flip-side, though: game developers can be quite as arrogant as well, ignoring the fans they might have or could get would they release their games on a Nintendo console. I am looking at you, Mr. Hines and Bethesda.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            dude, not everyone has that much time to devote to gaming. Maybe one or two games is all that matters to them. Maybe the 40 hours it takes to beat Zelda and Mario Kart is enough to satiate their gaming needs for a year. People have families, other interests. I sometimes think people that think that is arrogant are out of touch with the real world. If you are playing that many video games and you aren’t getting paid for it in some form or fashion you game too much and need to get a life outside of the house. It took me 2 months to get through Wind Waker HD and another month for Pikmin 3. I can’t game that much. So should I have run out and purchases 3rd party games I don’t have time to play or is it okay that I waited until SM3DW came out? And then I waited until DKTF came out.. Because I also have a 3DS and am playing on there seldomly. But am I arrogant and ‘part of the problem’ because I didn’t pick up Rayman Legends during that time? Or do I as a consumer have a right to choose which games to get and due to the delay Ubi had, wait until it’s bargain basement prices before buying it?

          • Kay Wrobel

            I have a family too and very limited time. I am a game junkie though, so I do spend many nights playing games. I do love variety though. I don’t play a game from start to finish and don’t touch anything else in between. But as you said, different folks, different strokes. I get carried away with my library sometimes. I gotta say, though, I’m always on a budget. Never buy the latest and greatest. Usually wait for prices to drop. But you know, that’s just how I roll. I would not go out and buy a game simply to support Nintendo. And for Nintendo, that make me a problem to them. But the gotta deal with that demographic. They need sales and a proper library for all those different gamers out there.

          • Skelterz

            Why though some people prefer graphics over gameplay i’m not one of them but some people do what makes you think you can insult people based on there opinions and if they disagree with you? i for one think someone with views such as yourself has a very shallow outlook on others and a very big head if you think you better than everybody else why do you waste your time insulting them surely if you were so confident in your views you’d keep your opinions to yourself.

          • D.M.T

            I didn’t insult anybody lol, I’m just saying that those who prefer graphics are part of the problem which is why they should be ashamed. You’re not a gamer in my eyes if you prefer graphics. And btw…you’re opinion about me is completely irrelevant. And no i don’t think i’m better than everybody else. Stop trying to make this personal, stay on topic. So you’re saying that people who speak their minds are not confident in their views? That doesn’t make any sense.

        • steveb944

          Bravo sir, bravo.

      • Kay Wrobel

        According to this article, you Sir are part of the problem. It didn’t use to be that way. Who can afford multiple consoles? Not if you have plenty of bills to pay like ordinary folks. That is why people make purchasing decisions: they have a budget. And not everybody can afford multiple consoles. You can’t generalize that that’s how everybody else thinks. But because just as many are actually saying these things out loud, sends a message to the industry that this is how most modern gamers are. They are so rich they have multiple consoles. It’s just not right. Some can only afford one console. They might prefer Nintendo for their awesome IP and also like to be part of the other audience, the one that plays all these mature third party games. But because industry nowadays thinks, aw, those Nintendo fans only buy their console for Nintendo games and they all have another console, they just simply don’t bother spending money on a good port, or a port at all.

        • Yoshifan3

          at the end of the day, i dont really give a shit if im part of the problem or not, im happy with playing nintendo games on nintendo consoles, wether some person thinks im a probelm doesnt matter. my happiness takes priority over people on the internet.

          • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

            Was this comment at all constructive to the discourse had in this comment section? That’s a rhetorical question. Of course our individual happiness is more important than the faceless strangers we communicate with on the web. Not relevant to the conversation though.

          • Yoshifan3

            dont matter if it was relevant or not, its true. you guys seem to be bickering over terrible third party support. while im enjoying video games.

          • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

            Bickering? We’re all Nintendo fans just having fun talking about the games we like to play, from what i’ve been reading. We all enjoy the games – some people are just more passionate about the subject than others. No need to judge, right?

          • Kay Wrobel

            Right. And there’s the arrogance the article referred to. Hey, you know that’s your opinion, and I have mine. I’m just saying, this is what the article is all about. Btw, I’m the first one to admit I also have multiple consoles. So, heck, I’m part of the problem too. I just feel like the past was very different in that regard. I just feel people seem to think everybody has the dough to afford multiple consoles. I just feel a bit defensive for those who can only go with one console. But should they miss out on all the great third-party games just because a vocal crowd proclaims that they have Nintendo just for Nintendo games and everything else is on other consoles? I think not.

            Anyways, that’s just my opinion. And the past is the past. Companies make their decisions based on where the money is. And it seems, the money right now is not where Nintendo is. So go ahead and enjoy your Nintendo games while they last. Because if this trend continues, there won’t be any Nintendo fans for Nintendo to sell consoles to in the future. They will instead sell Mario and Zelda themed dish washers to improve a mom’s quality of life.

          • Yoshifan3

            oh i agree, btw thanks for the nice response. its pretty awesome when someone gives their opinioni nicely and doesnt come in angry like DMT.

          • Kay Wrobel

            Well, thanks. Looks like we can have a civilized conversation on the Internet after all. In all honesty, the “problem” the article refers to is quite multi-faceted. There seem to be plenty of people out in the world with disposable income. I mean, just look at how many new PS4s and Xbones have been sold thus far. And how many out there bought both? And then a Wii U? And then a 3DS? I mean, I do love games, and I do have a 360 and PS3 and PC, but man, I scrounged for money to afford those. I bough my 360 and Wii U used on Craigslist. The PS3 was on sale on Amazon back then with an extra controller, and I made a rash dicision and whipped out my credit card. Yeah, more debts. My PC? Well, all the “new” items I upgraded it with where not top-of-the line but middle of the road and on sale. I just can’t really afford to go all out on these things. I buy my games when they’re on sale, or used., or both.

            So now, how can Nintendo really compete in this kind of market and with me as a customer? It’s really hard. But they can do it. With awesome sales on the eShop. I almost bought the DKTF game when it was on sale for a short introduction time. And please, give gamers an advantage for eShop titles vs. pressed discs. Why do I have to pay the same price for a digitally delivered game? Give the poor gamer a break already. eShop Mario 3D -> make it 50% off for a month. Things like that. Things that Steam and all the other platforms are doing already. Heck, I just purchased Deus Ex Human Revolution DC on Humble Bundle for $4.99!!! Four frickin’ 99. Every mom and pop shop knows how awesome sale prices generate good sale. And then folks buy other stuff while they’re at it.

            Anyway, I really digress here.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            the ‘problem’ isn’t a problem at all. You are free to buy whatever and play whatever you want. If you just like Nintendo than great. If you prefer Xbox or PS4 or PC…great. What exactly is this problem people think there is? That somehow people who have purchased a Wii U and are only interested in top notch 1st party games are hurting Nintendo? how so? They bought the console. They buy the games. Their wallets are speaking for them. They aren’t interested in 3rd party games. So what? If they were, most likely those games have better versions on other platforms so they get them there if interested. How is this a bad thing? If you can’t afford two or more consoles and want to maximize your dollars in value terms, you have to decide whether you get the games you want most, from which platform, and which games can you live without. Then you make your choice. If you can’t live without Mario you buy Nintendo. If you can’t live without Fifa and Halo you buy Xbox. If it’s top notch graphics and largest number of diverse and quality games you buy PS4. But each decision will leave you missing out.
            Nintendo has not made a console that has enticed 3rd party devs to make great games on without delays or being gimped. It’s both Nintendo’s fault and 3rd parties. Nintendo’s because they make it more of a nuisance to program for their consoles. 3rd parties because they choose to put up inferior products if at all. It is NEVER a consumer’s fault. It’s stupid to say so. What a shit article

          • Kay Wrobel

            Yeah, well the article insinuated a “problem”. Not only that, but it threw the problem at the consumer. I mean, I kinda get the idea and where it’s coming from, but as I said, the problem for Nintendo is really multi-faceted. Changing demographics, aging gamers, waning third-party support, the general economy, the culture and mind set at Nintendo. It’s really quite complex.

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            thank you. You put that succinctly. Every console has their ‘problems’. Price, lack of games, forcing Kinect on you, stupid blue lights on controllers, no Nintendo games, etc. I know people who have purchased only Halo games for their Xbox. That’s it. Not a single other game. I can’t fault them for that. It’s that experience they want and it’s their right. Blaming them for not getting Nintendo games on their Xbox is moronic. Nintendo won’t do it. Right now, 3rd parties won’t make games for the Wii U and when they do they are lacking. Not your fault, not mine, not Nintendo’s and not even 3rd parties. It’s a prerogative. People just need to deal.

          • Kay Wrobel

            Yep. I get it. And I can follow a developers decision to skip the Wii U for business reasons that make sense. What I can’t accept is how willing some developers jump on the Wii U is junk wagon. Or maybe they are butt hurt because Nintendo didn’t shmoose them the way the others did.

            Dude I just watched the 2011 E3 Press Conference for Nintendo and ooooh, how were all those third-party devs excited about the new console. And where did their games go? I see that Nintendo needs to make the Wii U a success, but it can’t do it alone. Right? I truly think if all those games that are available on other consoles not only were up to par on the Wii U but even provided those extra feature that make the Wii U so unique, more people would be buying the console and the games. But yeah, gimped versions or no version at all surely does not help. And the consumer is once again the one who makes the hard decision to get a game for one of the other platforms. Like me. I REALLY wanted Deus Ex HR DC for the Wii U. But one sale for the PC version just killed it for me yesterday and I caved. Bought it for $4.99. Who can argue with $4.99? Nintendo? Put some of your games on sale already. I’m not even sure they control the prices for games that are not their own. Is it the publishers decision to put a game on sale on the eShop?

          • Magnus Gonzalez

            what I think happened after E3 was developers started programming for it and the initial kits were not the best. But they were exposed enough to understand that it would require more time, effort and skill than maybe they were prepared to devote. Once they go a hold of Xbone and PS4 kits with how easy those make it to develop for, they took the easy way out so to speak. Maybe they thought porting over from PS360 was going to be easy and then realized the gamepad through a wrench in their plans. Blaming consumers and even the lack of sales makes no sense. They would have been developing games for a year or more before it even launched so they must have made that decision in late 2011 early 2012 when they got the other’s kits. That makes the most sense to me.
            It’s funny that people say lack of sales scared 3rd party away when actually any game that would have been in development was abandoned long before the launch and poor sales in early 2013. There is nothing wrong with getting the best version of Deus Ex for $4.99. That to me is stupid. Like some people claiming they will forego the best versions of Watchdogs and wait months just so they can get it on the Wii U. They are so full of shit. That game will be nowhere near the quality it is on PS4. If they won’t even make Child of Light 1080p what do think they are going to do with Watchdogs. It will flop so hard that it will give Ubi some political ammunition to drop Wii U altogether which is what I think they are actually trying to do. To save face. That’s my call anyway.

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            and that my frien is a brilliant commen

        • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

          Maybe it’s the video game market itself that suffers from the multi-console-buying consumer base, but nintendo suffers the worst of all. There would be plenty of ports on the Wii U if the install base would expand, and Nintendo just needs to better communicate the value of the Wii U to both gamers and developers/publishers.

          • Kay Wrobel

            And they think the value is clearly the second screen. Where’s the showcase for that value, though? Non-existent, except for a few exceptions like ZombiU and Arkham City.

          • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

            from e3 2012, Nintendo talked up the gamepad enabling asymmetric multiplayer gameplay, which they did really well with Nintendoland, but I don’t think any other developer has stepped up to the plate to try something of the nature. Besides Nintendoland, the gamepad really has only been used for interactive inventory menus and camera-like functions. I would love some more asymmetric local multiplayer-focused games.

          • Kay Wrobel

            I think, COD BLOPS 2 used two screen couch co-op multiplayer. Not sure if they kept that design for Ghosts. But yeah, I think Nintendoland actually did showcase the gamepad in different ways, which a lot of game critics said it was not really the showcase that Wii Sports was for the Wii. I disagree with those critics and think Nintendoland represent the value proposition really well.

          • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

            in ghost is the same, multi player

          • Kay Wrobel

            That’s good to know. Might pick that up, then.

        • C.S. Bailey

          I liked much of your post, but “Who can afford multiple consoles?” just pissed me off!
          It’s called budgeting, and I’m sorry that it’s a hard concept for many people to grasp. I have a family as well, and I also have 2 Wii U’s in my house, one for the kid and one for me. No, I’m not rich, just chose to forgo buying stuff I didn’t need so that my kid could play a Wii U on their time while not interrupting mine.

          • Kay Wrobel

            Why did that piss you off? Not following. I think it is a legitimate question. I always ask myself what I can afford. In fact, I’m asking myself right now: can I afford a PS4 or XBox One? The answer is no. Can I afford a Wii U? Maybe. Then I go out and buy a Wii U, then I ask myself: now, can I afford another $400 for a PS4?

            To me that’s a good question that should piss anybody off.

          • C.S. Bailey

            I wrote that because I just can’t stand when people seem to confuse “can’t afford” with “can’t afford all at once”. You made your point more clearly in a later posting, but I was just looking at that one when I responded.

          • Roadkill409

            I agree that a budget and prioritizing purchases should be done by most. But truly, some people have no concept of what a budget should be. They tally up huge debts and then wonder who is going to pay for it. And then they usually end up learning the hard way they can’t have it all at once.
            But it is really that hard to imagine that someone, even with the best budgeting skills, may not have the cash to spend on multiple video game systems? A Wii U can be purchased for a reasonable amount, but other systems can be upwards of $500. And $500 in addition to a first console is a lot for entertainment. And then needing to buy games in upwards of $60 just to play the systems. That can be an expensive hobby. And I understand your comments below about not getting it all at once. And I think we are on the same page with this. But I know people who could not get more than once system at a time. Maybe give them 6+ years when the costs fall and they have saved money. But that is an eternity in gaming time if you have friends who want to play the newest game right now. By the way, I was thinking of getting a second Wii U with the Mario Kart bundle so I can play full screen on different TV’s. I think that might be fun. Have fun Mario Karting!

        • Mario

          Um… Ashley’s a girl.

          • Kay Wrobel

            My reply was not to Ashley, but to Yoshifan3. Though, you’re right, I couldn’t make out whether that user is a he or a she. I simply assumed it’s a he.

          • Mario

            Oh! Sorry for the confusion.

        • http://ejercitogeek.net/ Mercurio2054

          i have only 1 console (wii u) with first and third party games and a mid range laptop.
          i can’t buy another console

          • Kay Wrobel

            And you are exactly who I defended in my earlier reply. Not everybody can afford multiple consoles. And it would be fair for those who chose the Wii U to get the same multi-plats that the other consoles enjoy.

      • Magnus Gonzalez

        and Nintendo games really do provide a very unique experience to 3rd party games. There’s a whimsy you don’t find much elsewhere. I think Ubisoft does but not many others. That’s what lots of Nintendo fans want so why fault them for not caring about Watchdogs or COD? Makes zero sense. That’s like faulting a dudebro who loves Battlefield for not buying a Wii so he can play Animal Crossing. Geez get a grip people. Different strokes for different folks. A bigger problem I see is that supposed pro Nintendo sites run so many negative articles about the Wii U. We already get enough elsewhere.

      • SP-937-215

        Back in SNES days things were different. My game library was only about 30% first party games. Nintendo’s policies toward third parties and their ill decisions about the N64 development are what started this downward spiral. Nintendo dug their own grave 20 years ago.

      • Charlieblizz

        In what way can’t third party games compete on the U? Strictly on sales because U owners won’t support them or on a quality? Because Rayman Legends is arguably the best game out on the system. I enjoy it more than any of the mario games currently out, Pikmin 3, or DK. The various ports that came out around launch are largely quality games that people didn’t support. Zombiu has been criminally under-supported.

        And on the eshop, the indie stuff is regularly better than the Nintendo offerings.

    • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

      A good example of this would be Resident Evil: Revelations. IMHO, the Wii-U version of the game is probably the best version of the port, thanks to the gamepad support. But for a majority of the other ports, it’s very rare where the Wii-U version offers the most benefits (other than graphics.) The Wii-U is definitely in an awkward position in being both underpowered compared to their sony and microsoft counterparts as well as having the gamepad (which shouldn’t be a problem, but it does factor into development i’m sure.) Also, Nintendo puts itself in another awkward position by claiming it’s not in direct competition with the other big two – if that was the case they should revamp their strategy in marketing the benefits of the Wii U in comparison to the PS$ and XBONE to both developers and consumers alike.

      • D.M.T

        Nintendo is not in direct competition because they were forced to be different. Do you remember the last time Nintendo was in direct competition? I do. They lost to the PS2 (150 million sold) and original Xbox (24 million sold).

        I don’t think it’s an awkward position to be in because we don’t need or want 3 consoles with the same specs and same features. Nintendo is great for those who need or want different things.

        • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

          This is true. I just personally feel that the 3rd party developers heavily buy into that competition, and the fact that Nintendo openly distances itself from that market, it could be part of the reason it doesn’t receive the same kind of 3rd party support. This is all just theorizing and not backed by any kind of analysis btw haha. just a thought.

    • WiiUltra

      No, actually the real problem is that no one is buying a Wii U, if they had a bigger install base there would be more third parties. I buy whatever games looks good to me, first party or not.

    • Magnus Gonzalez

      wrong. only you and trolls and click bait authors should advance this thought. Nintendo provides enough amazing 1st party games that it is not necessary to care about 3rd party games. Also, every consumer has the freedom to buy and use a product for whatever reason they see fit. There are people who only purchase Xbox for Halo. There are people who only buy a PS3 for blu ray use. Should Microsoft and Sony be pissed that those people aren’t buying more games or happy that they bought the console at all?
      Get off your high horse and relax. More than half the people who bought a Wii did so just to play Kart and Wii Sports with their families. It’s their right and you sound like a little bitch saying otherwise.

      • Nintenjoe82

        Amen!

    • Dáibhí wotshissurname

      True, but I wouldn’t suspect a game could play better on Wii U than PS4 if the Wii U is noticably less powerful.

    • tronic307

      I have some third party games for Wii U, but multiplats are best played on a strong PC.

    • steve

      its the companies job to make the product worth buying over the competition, most 3rd party games have been gimped on wii u so thats why we go else where, hell i bought ghosts and black ops2 for wii u knowing i would get burned, less features, no dlc technical issues, lack of updates. it is nintendos job to make special additions to attract more people. i would love to go all nintendo this gen but i know i need a ps4 to get the better 3rd party.

    • Skelterz

      That’s just dismissive yet again people are blaming the wrong things.
      its so easy for people to write these articles and have an opinion but its not fact i’ve never in all my days seen such a mess, this comment section has turned to shit how can you even have the nerve to call people out as if your some sort of prophet, telling everybody there the reason a company is not hitting predicted sales its unbelievable honestly have you heard yourself since when was it our job to market the wii u since when did nintendo HIRE US?? they didn’t right so why the fuck are we to blame you ignorant fool, Look a bit deeper its about money whoever spends more gets more nintendo don’t like to spend we get less simple as that.

    • Commander Jim

      “If a multiplat game looks and plays good on the Wii U then buy the Wii U version.”

      Uh, why? That seems very fanboyish. I’ll buy the best version, which is pretty much guaranteed not to be the Win U version.

      • maxleresistant

        Also there is a lot of chance that the game will be more expensive on WiiU.

      • chris bohanan

        If the online experience is a full one like Black Ops then all you get on other systems is slightly better graphics. In the case of the Arkham games and a few others like Madden it is the developers that are gimping the online and game features. That doesn’t mean you should buy them, but when the experience is as full as the other versions then the Nintendo Network is the best one to play on as it hardly ever crashes or lags like PSN and LIVE (although LIVE is better than PSN in that regard) But what you don’t get it the immersive second screen experience with the other systems. I’d take a full experience with second screen play over graphics any day.

    • Dylan Groot

      What the hell is this? So you’re telling me that if I truly love
      Nintendo I need to play watered down versions of games on an
      underpowered console? No! The problem is Nintendo, nobody is playing 3rd
      party games because they made a weak ass machine! And dont give me crap
      about this statement people, it’s blatantly obvious the PS4 and Xbone
      are way more powerful. I have a PS4 and a Wii U now, and no, I wont be
      buying Watch Dogs for Wii U. Why the hell would I? To convince 3rd
      parties to bring more watered down versions to wii u? Stupid statement
      bro.

      • D.M.T

        Many things wrong with what you said:

        1. Wii U isn’t underpowered.

        2. Wii U is not a weak ass machine.

        3. Nintendo, Nintendo fans and 3rd party publishers are the problem, not just Nintendo.

        4. PS4 and especially Xbox One aren’t way more powerful.

        5. You don’t know if the Wii U version of Watch Dogs will be watered down so stop acting like you know anything.

        6. Nintendo don’t have to listen to developers who won’t support them no matter how powerful a Nintendo console is.

        7. The Wii U is for gamers. Only an ignorant person would think it’s not.

        I wonder why an ignorant, anti-Wii U person like you is on Wii U Daily. Doesn’t make any sense.

        • Dylan Groot

          Hmm theres many things wrong with what you said too.

          1. You’re a blind fanboy
          2. You’re a blind fanboy
          3. You’re a blind fanboy
          4. You’re a blond fanboy
          5. You’re a blind fanboy
          6. You’re a blind fanboy
          7. You’re a blind fanboy

          Im not a wii u hater, I have all Nintendo consoles ever made, and will buy everything they release in the future, but Im not blind. Please dont be a fool. You gain no credibility by saying the ps4 is not that much more powerful. It is. If you cant understand that then dont comment on the technical side of the discussion.

          • D.M.T

            You are more ignorant than I thought. Nice try but there’s still many things wrong with what you said:

            1. I’m not blind
            2. I’m not a fanboy
            3. Yes you ARE a Wii U hater or else you wouldn’t talk like that about the console.
            4. I’m not a fool.
            5. PS4 is not, I repeat is NOT that much more powerful. The gap between Wii U and PS4 is alot smaller than the gap between PS3 and Wii.
            6. I know what I’m talking about, it’s you who don’t understand.
            7. Yes you are blind and brainwashed by the corrupted media.

            I love how the word “fanboy” is tossed around on the internet. People like you don’t know the meaning of the word fanboy. People think that they have to criticize Nintendo and talk shit about Nintendo to be a normal Nintendo fan. WRONG! I refuse to jump on the ‘let’s criticize Nintendo and talk shit about them’ bandwagon. I will criticize Nintendo only when it’s necessary, I won’t do it just because anti-Wii U gamers think I should do it. I have a mind of my own. I won’t allow the media and the haters to brainwash me. PS4 is more powerful than the Wii U, that’s a fact, but the gap is not as big as you think. On paper the PS4 seems to be way more powerful but in reality the Wii U is more powerful than you think. The Wii U has customized specs, meaning that only Nintendo knows how powerful the Wii U truly is. 3rd party developers don’t know how powerful the Wii U is because they don’t want to develop for the Wii U.

          • Dylan Groot

            Again, Im not a Wii U hater, I bought one day and friggin loved it. But then the drought….that’s still here. Sure, you can say the same thing about the PS4, but looking into the future its blatently obvious there’s way more on its horizon than that of the Wii U. Wii U is not powerful. Just admit it. Sure, it’s more powerful than the 360 and ps3, but damn dude, if you’re gonna ignore the lets say 8 gigs of GDDR5 on the PS4 (hello, this is huge) then you’re just ignorant (well duh). Im not having a go, I seriously love Nintendo to bits (hehe), but the Wii U is a flop, and it’s not gonna recover.

            I remember the E3 presentation from a couple of years ago. The whole world was wanting Nintendo to make the ultimate gaming machine. Even Xbots and Greystation fanboys. We all held our breath waiting for them to kick ass and take names…then fairly quickly it became obvious Nintendo wasnt going to deliver and then Sony and Microsoft steamrolled right over them. It was a stupid move. They made gazillions off the Wii, all they had to do was make a console that was epicly powerful but they didnt.

            Off course we havent seen the full potential of the Wii U yet, but it will never reach the fidelity of the other consoles out now. Never. Though Nintendo games look amazing, and graphics arent everyting, developers seek out canvases on which they feel they can draw their art upon that comes as close to their imagination as possible. The technology is out there, but Ninty isnt using it. That why there’s little support. For Nintendo its a huge step forward, learning how to make HD games for the first time, 3rd parties however are 6 years ahead. They want more. They NEED more.

            Its ok to be critical about the thing you love the most. Like rebelling against your parents though you love them unconditionally. Doesnt mean you hate them. I dont hate Nintendo, but I think they really missed it with the Wii U.

        • GmailIsDown

          wow.. i think fans like you are the problem. people who are stubborn and live in their own imaginary world and refuse to see facts around them. i bet you are a devoted god follower as well.
          Peak Shader Throughput of the various consoles:
          Xbox 360: 0.24 TFLOPS
          Wii U: 0.352 TFLOPS
          Xbox One: 1.31 TFLOPS
          PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS
          you can go to anandtech and IGN to find out the original sources of these numbers. the numbers don’t lie. but again if you are religious, you defy logic and facts.

    • pbd2

      I buy my third party games on Xbox and Playstation for the better online system and achievements/trophies. The fact that most WiiU games are worse (Performance and features lacking) doesn’t help matters at all.

    • Stephen Macneil

      As consumers people have the right to buy the best version of the game they want. There’s no way I’m spending the same amount of money on a Wii U version of Assassin’s Creed 4 when I can get a much better version in PS4 for the same price. I’m not taking a hit to my enjoyment of the game, it’s Nintendo who said they’re not competing with Sony or Microsoft.

      • D.M.T

        The problem is that the PS4 version isn’t much better than the Wii U version. You are lying to yourself if that’s what you think. Better graphics doesn’t make a version much better than the other.

        • Stephen Macneil

          You honestly are telling me the Wii U version of Assassin’s Creed 4 is as good as the PS4? You’re the one lying to yourself. In my mind playing the 360/ps3/wii u version is unplayable after seeing the PS4 version. Maybe resolution, frame rates, textures, and polygons don’t mean anything to you when comparing two versions of the same game but you’re very much in the minority. It’s not everyone else’s fault they would rather get a better experience for the same price.

          • DJKeens

            I can agree with you to an extent. I bought ac4 on wii u and played the ps4 version later. It looks better sure but ultimately it’s the same game. Now if you were to tell me Ghosts was worlds above I’d say you were lying as I have both the xbone and wii u versions and aside from some extra work out into the perimeter buildings, the games are largely the same. But the issue isn’t graphics IMHO. If that’s all it were I wouldn’t even comment as that’s truly a preferential thing. Like driving a new car vs an old one. One looks better, but they both get you to where you want to go. I don’t believe the vast majority are avoiding Wii U ports because of this though. The fact that key features are being removed from Wii U versions are the problem. Ghosts is plenty fun and looks purdy on Wii U but Free Fall is the only available DLC. Perusing through the store on XBone, there’s a mind boggling amount of DLC available. Batman lacks DLC and online. And then there’s the absence of titles clearly capable of running on the system like Battlefield 4. It’s a black eye to Nintendo to hear companies scream of graphic fidelity and Wii U’s ability to cope when games are still releasing on PS360. If graphics were truly so important, why do those versions exist? Sure to make that money but wouldn’t the same be true if they gave the same courtesies to Wii U? We don’t know because, as far as multiplat is concerned, the versions are inferior beyond graphics to no justifiable reason.

          • Stephen Macneil

            My point is simply that given the same game, most people will chose the better looking one. I doubt anyone who owns both a ps3 and ps4 would ever buy the ps3 version of the game. The reasons those versions exist, as you ask, is for people who don’t have an x1 or ps4. People should buy the games they are interested in; I am simply arguing against the idea that Nintendo’s third party woes are the consumer’s fault. I own a few third party games on Wii U but I bought them because I believe those versions to be better.

            Also, you might think there’s no much difference between the Wii U and PS4 in CoD Ghosts but there is a noticeable difference and it’s enough for someone to prefer the X1 or PS4 version. More importantly than that is Xbox Live and PS Plus offer far superior multiplayer support.

            I love Nintendo, they are my favourite developer, but let’s be real here and admit Nintendo really painted themselves in a corner by not giving third party the attention they deserve. When it came to creating the X1 and PS4, those companies went to third party and asked what they want to see in the hardware. Nintendo didn’t do that, and doesn’t want to that, and are really a first party machine as a result. I’m fine with that, but that doesn’t make me “part of the problem.” I gave a dozen games for Wii U, and I am at least getting 4 more this year.

          • DJKeens

            I’d agree for those who own multiple consoles. Using your same point, the games exist for people who don’t own x1 or ps4, the logic should carry over to wii u titles as well. Those versions further are not hindered in the same way the Wii U is.

            Well have to agree to disagree on Ghosts. For such a steep price point, the difference is barely noticeable. Battlefield is another story.

            I may have diluted my stance on this. I completely agree that the consumer is NOT to blame. In fact the consumer response should be expected when faced with such inferior ports. I place the blame on publishers and developers. To release versions of their titles that are completely subpar when compared to even the last gen ports and then complain when no one buys it is complete nonsense. I concede to the debate for titles such as w101 though I can only imagine it was due to brand recognition (ie it’s a new ip so that’s a risk in and of itself). I agree that competing systems have better incentives and therefore attract more consumers. However, I fail to see how that’s Nintendo’s issue. I cite the ME3 fiasco and the lack of online in Batman. The system is fully capable of handling those titles proven if by no other means than it’s available on gen 7 consoles). Yes the install base is smaller, but the absence of these features will do nothing but hinder. After all, they took the risk to develop all the features on the unreleased x1 and ps4. I’ll also concede that Nintendo should have a more robust online environment though I think they’re off to a good start and hopefully will get there soon. Still, I don’t believe ignorance of the consumer by third parties is changing anything. That ignorance will not help their product sell any better on Nintendo platforms any more than skipping the console.

            In regards to our particular discussion I was nearly trying to debate that the reasons are not because of graphics. I think were on the same page, minor disagreements aside, but ultimately yes I do not blame the consumer whatsoever. Unless they ignore the Wii U version if it happens to be the superior version.

          • Stephen Macneil

            I didn’t want to get bogged down in a graphics talk, I was simply making the point that given two choices most people will take the better version and it’s silly to expect people to not do so. As for CoD, multiplayer support is the main issue for Wii U there. Third party does share some blame, but ultimately it’s Nintendo’s house. Keep in mind I’m arguing all this when I got Darksiders, Rayman, Arkham AC, Arkham Origins, AC3, deus Ex, and Darksiders 2 all on the Wii U. Most people who own a Nintendo system own something else as well though, and it’s up to Nintendo to realize that and adjust their thinking.

          • D.M.T

            I never said Wii U version is as good as the PS4 version. I said the PS4 version isn’t that much better than the Wii U version. The Wii U version isn’t unplayable compared to the PS4 version, it’s you who’s a graphics whore I’m sorry. I rather be in the minority of people who has the right mentality about what makes a game good than being in the majority of people who are blind and brainwashed by the media and 3rd party publishers.

          • Stephen Macneil

            Okay, so give me one reason someone who owns a PS4 or Xbox One should get the Wii U version of a game? It’s you who’s the whore if you have blind allegiance to an inferior product for no reason and expect others to follow suit.

  • Todd Christensen

    Great article… Fair criticism minus the doom and gloom. I do still believe there’s hope for the Wii U. I love the dual screen concept, but before the Wii U launched, I thought it would make a great “Window” into the Nintendo game world. Not unlike VR but something you could hold up and view the world inside the game you were playing in 360 degrees. Aside from walking around the plaza of NintendoLand or the arena in Metroid Blast, this concept has largely been skipped. I have no idea why, it’s bizarre really, because I’ve been playing Nintendo games since the 80′s and always imagined, what if I could see into the game I’m playing? And if you think about it, what Nintendo does, and has always been successful with, is recreating the “Nintendo World” using whatever new technology was featured in the new hardware. I mean, really think about that, use Mario as the example, we’ve had a Mario Bros. game for every console, and every time, Nintendo used the hardware’s new technology to recreate the same Mario world. How could this little guy be so popular for so long? Well, Nintendo has given us more line of sight into his little world with every new technology. While SMB3DW is a great iteration, for the most part, Nintendo didn’t give us what should have been the next iteration considering the Gamepad is the newest technology, which should have and could have been a 1st POV into that 3D world. Instead, the Gamepad is barely a novelty for “extras” in the game. That’s where I think Nintendo went wrong. We have a window into these worlds, but we don’t use it… That should have been the how Nintendo recreated its world this generation, the technology is there, but they didn’t, and I have no idea why.

  • DragonSilths

    Now I finally see how Ashley King can be a bit of an idiot. I have never noticed before, one of my friends who said he was banned so many times from the forums of this site while she trolls, but half of this article I can agree with. But the part where you blame the gamers is false. The casuals not having any interest in the 8th gen consoles is the problem not us for saying we only buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games, that’s how its always been, even back in the N64 days.

    • matthew garcia

      It’s true. I only bought a Wii u for Zelda. I’m part of the problem. I buy multiplats on my ps4. If Nintendo had developed a better console for multiplats I would buy them on Wii u. Instead they thought about themselves and made a console only they are willling to work with

      • C4

        I bought 2 3rd party exclusives. Sonic and Monster Hunter (well at least exclusive for a stationary console ;) )

        There are no more interesting 3rd party exclusives! At least not by 3rd parties like Capcom, Sega, Konami, Nippon Ichi, Square Enix, Activision, EA…

        GC wasn’t a bad platform for multiplatform-games, good controller (sometimes lacking 1 or 2 buttons though) , 4 controller ports, graphics & loading times usually better then PS2. For me it was the first choice for multiplats unless the PS2 version was cheaper.

      • DragonSilths

        They have always done that. Ever since the N64.

        • matthew garcia

          Very true. Snes was truly the last console they had that was more powerful then the competition and had all the 3rd parties. They had all the cool rpg’s

    • Keith

      You are a moron kid!! Take that fugly mask off so we all can slap the stupid from your ugly face!!

      • DragonSilths

        Now I remember you. Still being Mr. Unoriginal.

  • http://www.gamesobscura.com/ themizarkshow

    They have tons of money in the “war chest,” which is why all the “Nintendo is doomed” shit is shrugged off… so why not just buy more developers? Snag up the indies supporting your consoles and push hard for their games. Pay for more exclusive games and crossovers (like we’ve seen them start to do, but haven’t seen much come to fruition yet). Use all of your fucking franchises, not just the few that you keep spitting out generation after generation.

    The truth is that they really could exist as a secondary console for most people, but only if they publish more games than they currently are. And if they are going to do that, then they need more people working on new games.

  • Alexander Kleinwechter

    In my point of view, it should never be the consumers fault. Why do we REALLY care about wanting nintendo to be succesfull, so we can brag about it?, or that we want that nintendo should go on for a long time? or we actually care about nintendo as a company as a whole? Personally, im not worried one bit for nintendo, maybe im being too arrogant here, but they have been in the gaming industry for like 40 years now or something, and im sure they can go on for another 40 years easily. I have alot of faith in nintendo. I kinda sense that Wii U is gonna do a bit better in the upcoming years, but what i think will really change is next generation of consoles. Maybe microsoft or sony go too far with their consoles and too far with the DLC. And in like 10 years people want to go back to nintendo games because they remember there childhood memories: Im preatty sure nintendo will be the last standing console maker of the current 3. Tho i would assume there will be a whole new studio of console dev’s. Maybe apple, idk.

    • greengecko007

      Like everything, there’s a healthy balance. Some people definitely care too much about Nintendo as a company, but at the same time we as fans have to care at least somewhat because we are invested in their product.

  • nintendope

    Is the customer part of the problem? Really?.. So by that logic I am forced to spend money on shitty half assed ports? Was it my decision to develop an underpowered console? Let me tell you something Miss. King, The customer IS NEVER THE PROBLEM. If we all agreed on support all third party games on Wii U, then the companies will be comfortable selling us shit, and Nintendo will keep developing the wrong console and never learn from their mistakes. No. Nature must take action and let the strongest survive, only by hurting Nintendo’s wallet they can react and become stronger, offer a better experience for the customer and only then i’d gladly support it.

    • Shota

      i buyed batman rayman legends and injustice and most wanted. but those half assed ports i wouldn’t buy

      • nintendope

        I have Mass effect 3, Call of Duty black ops, both AC games, hell even Ninja Gaiden (which I really enjoyed), legends of course.. I’m ok with those titles, but seriously, there are so many dumb half assed ports I’m glad those companies will never come back to Wii U.

    • matthew garcia

      The reason Nintendo gets shitty ports is Nintendo’s fault. They built a system that was only made for there needs. They weren’t thinking of 3rd party developers at all

      • Kay Wrobel

        I wouldn’t say it was built for their needs, but I would agree they did not ask around what other companies might want to see in the new console. I would bet that if Nintendo had better relations with studios like Gearbox, 2K, or Bethesda Softworks and others that make AAA titles, they would maybe have been more inclined to modify their engines to run on Wii U as well. I’m not even sure if they sent out dev kits to anybody other than their studios.

        • matthew garcia

          I’m pretty sure the first move to fix things should be by nintendo

    • Zuxs13

      Yes, as a whole group you we are a part of the problem.

    • http://www.epicpassiveincome.com/ Elvis Michael

      Your assumption is overly generic; you’re generalizing too much and THAT is the problem. Not all third party ports are crappy, just like not every black guy is violent or not every Asian guy is a math genius.

      Consider titles like Deus Ex or some of the Batman games, for example. Although they may lack a DLC or two, the gameplay itself was top-notch on these titles. Hell, I think they were even better than the originals thanks to the gamepad.

      So yes, we consumers are part of the problem.

      • nintendope

        My answer to your comment on my original comment, read it again. (I’m not being rude).

    • http://Website.com Shane Michaels
      • nintendope

        lol

  • wiimenonowiiu

    I buy nes product for the inovation of playing the games diffrently including 3rd party titles like ac3 and ac4 they wo4k great with the pad

  • DJKeens

    I ADORE Nintendo and I want them to succeed so badly but this past week has shown that I’m losing faith. I finally bought an XBox One. I will buy Mario Kart and I have a habit of buying multiplat games on Nintendo consoles along with my XBox version to support the cause but this is becoming increasingly difficult to justify as third parties continue to gimp the Nintendo versions. Online is functional sure but they need to find something that will attract those gamers. Lack of party chat, achievements (ugh), and a cumbersome friend system (better than it was but far from intuitive) alienate the players that primarily use it. Kids and parents, stereotypically speaking, are not the players that want to compete online and be able to chat with their friends. Heck my experience is that parents don’t even enable online of their young children are playing it. I hear this constant debate that nintendo doesn’t need those third party titles. I believe they do. Exclusivity is something Microsoft and Sony fight over. Nintendo has their own exclusives. They need those multiplats to convince the gamers that they won’t be left out in the cold if Wii U is their go to console. I don’t know how to convince the publishers but it simply must happen.

    Graphically, Wii U trails but it’s not something that should be killing it considering many new titles are still releasing on 360 and PS3. Many of my XBox friends still haven’t made the jump but neither are they looking in Wii U’s direction so it’s obviously not a graphics complaint..

    Basically, the idea that Nintendo isn’t competing is just a cop out. It worked once but now it’s like they’re in the middle of a fist fight, getting wailed on, and screaming they’re not fighting. You may not be fighting, but the other guy is. The damage is happening whether you fight or not so why not fight back. I’m not saying give in to the insane demands that publishers are probably asking for, but start courting them. Microsoft has been throwing money at Activision for some exclusivity with COD, Sony with Battlefield among other titles, start doing something similar. Hell go shove some cash up Sqenix’s hole and get KH3 on a timed exclusive (pipe dream I know but wouldn’t it shake things up?)

    I’m rambling I know and I don’t have any real solution or idea of what they can do. I just hope they do something. Whatever it is, it needs to be big and quick. Oh and the next console must put perform the bone and 4. We know the follow ups will outperform them so go ahead and make that 9th gen platform the graphics beast without a gimmick though you could make it compatible with previously owned gamepads and such. Done now. Promise.

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      Well said, I liked your fighting analogy.

    • Charlieblizz

      I think we, and Nintendo, would convince publishers if we bought more of their games. The “crappy port” argument only goes so far when we saw a number of solid ports to the U early that weren’t supported by the users, and a number of smaller exclusives on the Wii (No more Heroes 1&2, Madworld, Zack & Wiki, among a few others) that didn’t get nearly the support they deserved. No idea how Nintendo convinces people to buy the good stuff that’s out there. We’ve already seen sales fall a bit short The Wonderful 101.

      Where I think Nintendo has missed out is not getting involved in the various auctions of developers that went out of business. Take THQ for example. Nintendo could have stepped in, bought up stuff like Darksiders, Homeworld, and Destroy All Humans to stock the cupboards with future exclusives. Even if they then farm the development out to another studio, they would have the game coming to their console and pulling people in. Instead, they sat in the stands and watched.

      I am starting to wonder if there will be a point to Nintendo continuing in the home console market. They’ve established their reputation, and even if they are graphically comparable to MS and Sony, gamers are still going to turn to those companies because they have become entrenched with them. I don’t know what to suggest at that point, either, but what they’re doing is failing.

  • FutureFox

    “Nothing personal. Just business.”

    -Customer

  • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

    When people “Only buy nintendo consoles to play nintendo games,” it isn’t necessarily a problem imho. I bought GCN for pikmin with my hard-earned saved lunch money! However, thanks to buying the GCN so early, i had the console that was ready for the Resident Evil games, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, and a lot of other great games aside from the Nintendo-developed GCN classics we all know. Buying a Nintendo system for Nintendo games isn’t necessarily the problem, it’s continuing to ONLY purchase Nintendo-made games which causes the issue. And let’s be honest, if we as gamers weren’t buying consoles for their exclusive titles, we’d all probably have a game-enabled PC for their many obvious benefits.

  • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

    Gamers would buy 2nd/3rd party games on Nintendo consoles if there weren’t the better options out there. Unlike those good ol’ days, I don’t know anyone who only has 1 console. I personally have a ps4 and a Wii U at home, as well as a PC – I simply choose to buy a game for whatever system that it will benefit the most from. Buying a game simply to support the company that made the hardware is the kind of irrational behavior that spins out of control – aka hardcore fanboy-ism.

  • metalpants

    Nice click bait -_-…

    You do realize Nintendo has always been about taking EXISTING technologies and putting their own twist on them, right? They didn’t invent the touchscreen, but they popularized it. They didn’t invent the joystick, but they gave it one of the best uses yet. They didn’t invent motion sensors. but now virtually every digital device has one because of them.

    Now they’re using the idea of figurines and expanding on it. Unlike Skylanders and Disney Infinity, your NFP figurines are personalized. You can train YOUR Mario and build up its stats, and take it to your friend’s house and see how it stacks up, etc. This concept could revitalize both markets as it could entice you to expand your figurine collection, and it could be an incentive for other people to try video games. Of course these are all examples. We’ll see what Nintendo is planning with this new platform come E3.

    • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

      lol yeah there’s not a lot of news going around due to e3 i bet. It’s just an editorial, not necessarily click-bait imho, but a decent conversation-starter, as apparent as ever when you read the comments.

      • metalpants

        Fair enough :P.

    • Diablo130356

      “Now they’re using the idea of figurines and expanding on it. Unlike Skylanders and Disney Infinity, your NFP figurines are personalized”

      I have never understood why people would want to collect these plastic figurines, Teddy bears or other JUNK to be honest?
      Surely people really just want to play the games?
      It is bad enough that the Wii U sits around gathering dust, without having even more pieces of junk gathered round it!

      • metalpants

        Whoa now… just because you don’t like collecting, doesn’t mean you have to bash the practice.

        I don’t collect anything myself. I think it’s pointless too. I went full digital since I got my Wii U (got a 2TB HD ready for hundreds more games and only 2 disc-based games). I like downloading my games because I hate taking up physical space with disc cases, etc.

        That said, I don’t bad-mouth those that like to collect things. I was simply pointing out what the possibilities of this new platform could bring about, and that collectors could get enjoyment out of it, as well as regular gamers.

        And, your Wii U is actually collecting dust?! Lol. I use mine on a daily basis. If my Wii U ever collects dust presently is because I don’t have enough money to get the ton of games I want from the eShop. And even then, I buy only games that have high replay value (which means I got plenty to do even in game “droughts”). So in essence, the only time my Wii U will truly collect dust is when Nintendo releases a new home console.

  • BGhp

    Kids theses days don’t even know who Mario is.

    • metalpants

      You’re kidding, right? I’m actually surprised kids these days actually KNOW who Mario is with the Wii U in the rut that it is… I guess it’s ’cause of 3DS.

    • Diablo130356

      You may be right and Nintendo have remained far too dependent on their own IP’s to sell their consoles. While. for me Mario/Luigi is old hat, which Nintendo constantly repeats in slightly different games situations since the 90′s. They need to be more open to offering variety on their Wii U console, but that variety only exists on the portable hardware, like the 3DS. The Wii U’s main games support comes from a steady stream of new ports of old games previously released on their old hardware. i am all in favour of backwards compatibility in games machines, but to offer that almost EXCLUSIVELY is taking the piss!

      As a Wii U owner with no interest in handhelds, I am so disappointed that all the best new games, like Bravely Default for example, are all released on the cheaper and obviously graphically inferior DS handhelds, instead of where they belong on the flagship Wii U console for a big screen.

      I also don’t understand why they built the NF technology into the Wii U’s tablet controller, without first knowing what they are going to do with it?

      Now if that NF tec had been used to twin a handheld unit to the Wii U, to play those games for it, or even to sign you into your online account automatically with it, then that would have at least been something useful.

      I am not convinced that Nintendo have actually learned ANY lessons from their mistakes though either, especially as Iwata recently stated that he was still looking for that “blue ocean empty of competition” and also that he was “unwilling to compete” in the games entertainment market!

  • Rinslowe

    Hmmm. For the most part I quite liked this article.
    I think people buying Nintendo consoles solely to play Nintendo games is a given, as that’s the model Nintendo themselves started many years ago by differentiation of their hardware.
    I do also think that much of the talk about supporting Nintendo only titles on their platforms is one part hyperbole, one part observation of less than comparable ports. Certainly Wii especially saw it’s fair share of those between the ports and “shovelware”. Of course that can also be attributed to the hardware differentiation model + third party interest/ investment and so the cycle continues…
    Consoles in general have been second platforms for me for some years, so they’re all in the same boat. Gaming on PC for multiplats just seems like the logical thing to do at this point. And IMO, the benefits far outweigh any perceived cons. Consoles are all interesting on account of their exclusive titles in any case. And something fresh in the entertainment set up.

    I think being part of a shrinking demographic is null and void due to this cycle of dependence on hardware to software for consoles in general.
    And had Nintendo released the right games at launch – SM3DW/ Pikmin 3/ WWHD/ DKCTF etc… That point would have been even more obvious. Wii U sold on hype and fumes for 3 months before reality sunk in.

    Ultimately consumers are right though. Why support crappy ports? But there’s also no reason for me or anyone else to then miss out on Nintendo’s quality software either…

  • WhataShame

    I think it was more likely that Nintendo wanted to go it on their own thinking that they could out-Skylander Skylanders with their own IPs. They had the NFC tech in place long before that, and had made mention of such interactions (hypotheticals, but mentioned none-the-less). I think it falls under arrogance. I think they knew it had potential, but felt they could bring a better product to the market.

  • http://valid.at val berger

    Nintendo has underestimated that they aren’t able to just move towards Third Parties from one system to another. With the Wii they were in the lucky position to just wait until developers come to them with suggestions for software to develop for as they had a massive user base back then. Now they thought they could just get all those third parties and even more with games for different target groups than ever before on board and it just didn’t work out as those third parties hesitated, questioning all those unknown factors. And history should proof them right. Nintendo can’t appeal as something they clearly are not. So the best thing to happen to that system were those great games they launched since Pikmin 3 as they were all very traditional stuff for the traditional target group. If Nintendo could just have addressed that group in first place, maybe things would’ve worked out differently. I guess speculations about what Nintendo could’ve done different will never stop, as there are so damn many mistakes made but at least it looks like they have learnd some lessons. Future will tell if they are able to use those learned principles. The whole market has changed a lot since the SNES era. Stuff like Steam, Appstores, Social Web, connectivity, digital lifestyle and so on still is kinda new to traditional gaming consoles.

    Actually what I wanted to say in the beginning: They can’t get 3rd parties on board and their users to buy those third parties from one day to another. this process needs time and a massive marketing machinery. Nintendo would need to push third party games like Sony is pushing games like Assassin’s Creed with amazingly immersive events, taking much spotlight away from their own products. This would be a risk so high, I can’t really imagine how this possibly could work for them. Or could’ve worked. Because that third-party train seems to have left that station for good. At least they shouldn’t count on that support with their next generation.

  • Zuxs13

    Great article Ashley, finally something with a reasonable argument.

    I think the NFP thing is a pretty cool idea, they are not relegating these characters to one single game. There will be a list of cross platform games being shown at E3, so you will buy a character you like and be able to access it some how in 3DS games and Wii U games, not just one singular game. I think that can be successful, if they use the whole breath of Nintendo IP’s (Link, Zelda, Mario, Fox, like a whole Smash bros concept).

  • Kay Wrobel

    One thing I think Nintendo is really missing in that whole NFP design is that most people have their gamepad in their hands, lounging back in their couches or even standing up. They don’t have the figurine right next to their gamepad to register the character. Idk, I have a feeling there more of a me-too attitude because they want to be part of that crowd. But have they thought it all the way through? I am not sure.

  • Bob Greenfield

    “If at any point in time you have ever uttered the words, ‘I only buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games.’, you are part of the problem.” and prettch the rest of that section.

    I do not buy games based on who I want to receive the economical benefit. I buy games based on which version is going to give me the best experience. If a game’s experience is going to be the best on a different console or a PC, then that’s what I’m going to buy on. I want Nintendo to succeed, but I’m not going to bend over backwards to see that happen. I am loyal to no platform. I do not exist to serve one company. If the only games worth buying on the Wii U are Nintendo exclusives, then those are the only games that I will be buying for the Wii U. I would very much like to see other games be worth buying on the Wii U, but I’m not going to pump money into a product until it’s worth pumping money into.

  • C.S. Bailey

    “The Wii U has an NFC chip built in that has only been used for Pokemon Rumble to date, a small eShop release with figurines that were never released outside of GameStop.”
    But somehow, you think that if Skylanders had been Nintendo exclusive, the same thing wouldn’t have happened? The first thing most people would have said is that Nintendo is sticking to their child friendly appearance, and there would be 50 articles on every gaming site saying the same thing. The only thing I see going differently is that Wal-Mart would have gotten the deal, not Gamestop.

  • A Hylian Noble

    Not sure attacking the very people that read your articles by straight up saying “The Problem is You” is the best way to have strong support on your website. Not saying I completely disagree with everything the article says but wow… terrible idea.

  • M.C. Pauly GooGoo

    Just to go out on a limb here: I know a whole lot of people who purchased the Wii when it came out and, due to the copious amounts of 3rd party waggle-fest shovelware, the dumbing down of smash (the trip mechanic among a few other things), wii music, and just the general letdown of expectations, won’t even touch a wii u with a 50 foot pole. I dont know this for sure, and this is pure speculative jibber-jabber, but maybe the fact that the Wii U isn’t selling is because there are plenty of gamers like that all over the world who feel the same way. I love the Wii U and tell my friends why it’s a great system whenever it comes up, but for some people the Wii kind of killed Nintendo for them, as sad as that is.

    • Kay Wrobel

      That certainly rings true with me. The “gamer” has been turned off by the overly casual nature of many Wii games. But that is exactly the market Nintendo went after, and they all left Nintendo for Android of Apple. Yep, they are pretty much gone.

    • C4

      Nintendos middle finger has surely something to do with it, yes. They didn’t even appoligize.

  • Arthur Jarret

    Just imagine, the time spent writing this article – or rather a remix of previous opinion pieces – could’ve been used to provide the site with either an up-to-date game list or several reviews.

    Rob: I’m still willing to provide both…

    This article is… kind of pointless. IMO of course. We will see more of the figurines at E3 – so we don’t know if it actually does mimic skylanders and disney infinity. It has been known for a while that a big reason for the lack of games is due to refocused SW teams working on building the 3DS library to save it.

    If the 3DS got better third party support in the first year and the earthquake didn’t happen coinciding with an economic crisis – a lot more effort would have gone in to enhancing the Wii U library and generating a content, driving sales and increase how attractive the platform is for third parties.

    The 3DS ruined the Wii U’s chances.

    I also think the article misrepresents Sony – they developed the SNES CD add-on and repurposed that work to make their own console when the deal fell through, they didn’t mimic it. And didn’t Nintendo try to mimic the Sega CD in the first place?

  • Someone Cool

    3rd Party Developer: We could use some money to help with game development.

    Microsoft: Ok fine. Here you go.
    Sony: Fine then. Here you go.
    Nintendo: Tough tits.

    2 Years later…

    3rd Party Developer: Our new game will be available on PC, The Xbox and the Playstation. That is all. Have a nice day.

    Nintendo: Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

    • Kay Wrobel

      I don’t think it’s necessarily money they asked for. But they wanted to be involved, know about the console, get their hands on early dev kits, maybe even have a little bit of say in the console design. Just look at the promo video for Sony and their relationship with third parties during their PS4 reveal event:

      • Someone Cool

        You do make good points but I’m not convinced that their attendance was to be “involved” with Sony’s inner circle. I believe they were on-stage because of a monetary relationship agreement. Sure, they would like to have inside knowledge of Sony but the money is what they are after above all else. Nintendo just needs to pitch in at the beginning of game development to secure a release for their console and I do believe it’s as simple as that.

        • Kay Wrobel

          Well, Nintendo would have enough money to throw at a developer to make their games for Nintendo Wii U. But they don’t. There seems to be something about maybe the culture at Nintendo and what Nintendo stands for that keeps them from doing just that. Sony and Nintendo are both Japanese companies, but the way they handle western developers seems fundamentally different.

          • Someone Cool

            Agreed. So, I guess the only way to get these 3rd Party games w/o a big change in policy would be to simply buy the entire company along with their assets or have the 3rd Party take a risk and release it on the WiiU.

          • Kay Wrobel

            And some had taken the risk and got burned buy those refusing to buy their games for Wii U. Rayman: folks didn’t buy it because it was “not an exclusive anymore”. Most Wanted failed because not too many people got too excited about the awesome graphics it delivered or who knows why. Ubisoft is still considering the games it will put out. Let’s just hope that Watch Dogs becomes a success story for Wii U. But given the small install base, I highly doubt it.

            Nintendo needs to sell more of their system. Provide the library for it so that more folks go out and buy it. It’s a real shame that an awesome game like 3D World did not push the units it duly should have. That kind of speaks for itself right there. Where are all those Nintendo fans? Why are they not buying the new console? I’m just not getting it. Mario has always moved units. I just have a bad feeling that those who used to love Nintendo have crossed over to the other side(s). Just like my co-worker who picked up COD BLOPS 2 for the free 360 she got with her Internet connection. Suckered out of Nintendo. I showed her the Wii U and the controller, and all I saw was scepticism. Though we did enjoy 3D World multiplayer. But I have a feeling, that’s another lost soul to the Microsoft camp. You see? That is where the Nintendo fan went. Grown out of her gaming youth and into gaming adulthood. It’s real sad.

          • Someone Cool

            It’s definitely a gamble for 3rd parties right now to release their games on WiiU. The Rayman incident is 100% Ubisoft’s fault, they should have kept their word and should not have delayed it. I still bought it but I wasn’t happy with Ubisoft.
            I don’t know where all the Nintendo fans went either, but I bet most of them still don’t know what a WiiU is. When the mk8 campaign starts I bet they will learn though.

      • DC777

        True but if you go back a few E3′s you will find a similar presentation by Nintendo with EA, Ubi, and many others stating how great they think the WiiU is and how they can’t wait to support it. It starts around 18:25.

        I’m not sure what happened since…

  • Suraj Alexander

    another NFC feature Nintendo is going to implement is NFC transactions to the eshop. however, right now they are only doing this for japan with their travel cards but recently i got a NFC debit card for hsbc and i am pretty sure if this system is used a bit more widely in UK, Europe and america they will be looking to implement this

  • Agent721

    Nice column. On my part, the reason I own a PS3 & 360 is because I’d miss out on a ton of great games just staying with Nintendo solely. As far as the Indies, thank God they’re on the Wii U. Without them, we’d have squat on most months. The fact that Nintendo didn’t carry GTA, sports games & the vast majority of 3rd party titles is why I now also love the PS3. Nintendo forced me to shop elsewhere & I discovered that the competition has a lot to offer!

    • Someone Cool

      Exactly! Just buy the other consoles and game away. The real reason that I want the 3rd parties on Nintendo WiiU is because I want to see what they can do with the gamepad. ZombiU and Wonderfull 101 are amazing, I want to play more games like those!

  • verymetal

    Awesome article. Great games sell systems. That is it, plain and simple.

    • Will W

      The only thing that sells them better, than actual quality, is “hype”.

  • Will W

    I can’t wait to see the Wii U HDBRDD(High-Definition Blu-Ray Disk-Drive) adapter.

  • Purple

    Holy.shit.they announced Wii U in 2011?!!!!!! What have they beeen doing since then? Where are the games? Oh they didnt know it takes this long to mak HD games. Pathetic excuses. If this E3 doesnt impress me. Nintendo will be forever dead to me as long as they have Iwata in charge.

    • Someone Cool

      Relax friend. They are only video games.

      • Purple

        You’re right… sometimes I get worked up over these articles. They give me buyers remorse with these types of stories.

  • jkalyj

    Can someone explain why Nintendo’s situation has been so critical to every single person in the world of gaming this gen. So they’re struggling, what developer hasn’t lately?

    I don’t really get how Sony and Microsoft can screw up and it’s a 5 second OMG!Nintendo has it’s time and it’s a 2 year death glare for some people (especially critics). Sony fumbled it’s ps3 launch. Microsoft console screwed up peoples discs and died on some people 3 months after it was bought. But this was front page news for what?…a month? then a lot of people stopped caring. Yet people are still here trying to “analyze” Nintendo, who actually did quite well with it’s “underpowered” console last gen.. The Wii U is having troubles.. oh well. it’s nothing new. Nintendo can’t be on top every time. if they don’t recover they’ll just try again next gen, and who knows, maybe they’ll hit home.

    These are slow times for gaming as a whole. Both my Wii U and ps4 are collecting a bit of dust right now but I’ll probably much sooner turn on my Wii U than my ps4 (with you know…its 150 games <_<). I love 3rd party on my Wii U but I almost wanna buy watch dogs for my ps4 simply cause the ps4 has NOTHING right now. it's good to want your flagship console to do well and to have a nice competitive air between consoles but the fanboyism and hater thing is becoming a real poison to everyone as it continues.

  • Mario

    Hey! I don’t buy Nintendo consoles just for the games that they make! Because for your information Ashley, I had bought games that were made by other companies. On the 3DS’ side, I got Kingdom hearts dream drom distance from Square-enix. On WiiU’s side, I got ZombiU and Assassin’s creed 3 from Ubisoft and Batman: Arkham city from Rocksteady.

  • DC777

    I have quite a few 3rd party games from Ghosts to AC4 but it’s Nintendo’s problem they can’t wake up and see trends in their own market like online play, shooters and “power” specs. It’s all simple and right in front of their face, they were just too spoiled by past success to realize it.

    They have needed to get their head out of their Japan for quite sometime.

  • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

    Personally I’m not to fond on Indie games, and only buy what I really like (the cave, Trine II, Zen Pinball etc.) As far as my Nintendo time goes I have always embraced both Nintendo games and third party games, on my most recent platforms (3DS and WiiU) I have bought mostly 3rd party so far and few Nintendo games, WiiU to date I have only bought 3rd party games, but WiiU related that’ll change in a few weeks.

    I’m holding my breath for E3 and hope Nintendo makes wise decisions and continue as they do now for MK8 with upcoming games as well.

    What bothers me is retailers decisions regarding WiiU. Just yesterday there was an interview on the Dutch news about WiiU and some retailstores who litteraly said “We know WiiU is not doing very well, only 3 million units sold in Europe since launch. As far as we concern WiiU has flopped miserably and we are clearing our stock, then only stock up at minimal software titles. Only 3DS we keep a large stock hardware and software wise” To add some salt in the wound they also said that Xbox One has already outsold WiiU 3 to 1 from imported consoles as the X1 officialy isn’t even available in te Netherlands yet, unless ordered from Germany, France or UK etc.

    Then to try and undo their damage they said: “They have faith it’ll be only a temporarily downwards spiral, likely the follow up on WiiU and 3DS will bring Nintendo back in the picture, they have tons of money in stock and can hold out this generation with their 3DS alone”

    Seeing this on the news (NOS news) kinda shocked me to see retailers make comments like that.

  • Sdudyoy

    I don’t care, the only reason I buy Nintendo consoles is for Nintendo games,, I don’t buy other consoles, and honestly most other games just don’t interest me, Nintendo games are some of the only games I enjoy, every now and than I play a game on my PC, like Portal or Skyrim, those are great games, but it’s true I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games, I couldn’t care less if other games came to the console, but if there is a third party game I want I don’t limit myself either, I play games that interest me, I don’t own a PS4 or XB1, nor do I intend on buying one either, but not because I don’t like the consoles, because Nintendo games are the only games that frequently interest me, most games that aren’t on Nintendo consoles that interest me I play are on PC.

    • brian

      Clearly you didn’t actually read the article.

      • Sdudyoy

        Yes I did, I was just explaining why I say “I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games”

  • Kuros

    Lol, I’m just going to sell this piece of garbage. I still have my SNES and N64. PC is my main platform anyway. I don’t want to be a part of the new Nintendo nor do I want to be a part of a community that is so upset with the failure of Nintendo that they turn on their own. If Nintendo can’t support gamers that are console casual and only buy Nintendo games, that’s their failure alone. Because the consumer doesn’t buy shitty ports that they never wanted in the first place as charity to an arrogant and clueless Neo-Nintendo we’re to blame for that? Fuck this, I’m out.

  • Phoenix Maybe

    Remember back in 2011 when Nintendo unveiled the Wii U? Everyone thought it was great, Nintendo’s finally putting themselves up with it’s competitors while remaining innovative at the same time. I miss the blind optimism we all had when it came to the Wii U. Now look at where it’s at, copying another franchise. Even though I’m sure Nintendo will implement these figures in more ways than in Skylanders or Infinity, I just can’t help to think of how the Wii U had fallen so suddenly from greatness. One day it was the cream of the crop, the next it was considered “doomed” and must use previously used ideas to keep afloat.

    • iamserious

      I’m sorry but as a Nintendo fan myself, I’ve gotta admit that Nintendo was never looked at as cream of the crop. Especially not during the “Wii era”. In fact I think that’s when people showed the most disdain for Nintendo it could never compete to the glory of PS3 and Xbox360 remember (that isn’t how I feel at all)?

  • candyisgood

    I don’t think it’s fair to throw the blame still at the fans who don’t support shitty ass developers, then say it’s the fans fault that there are no decent games. That’s what I see a lot of on wiiudaily, shittastic looking games that no one would have been interested in for XBLA, PSN or WiiWare let alone WiiU eShop. However, it’s perfectly agreeable to say people are ruining it by skipping, for examples, WiiU Watch Dogs or Child of Light, perhaps going as far as Trine 2, for the PS3/4 or Xbox versions for just a little bit extra. I’m glad to say I feel I don’t fit in that demographic, I go for the system I want to play it on, or the one I favor, or the one I got first, which ends up being Nintendo’s systems. If anything the WiiU gets the bonus of having some cross platform titles shared with PS & XB, as well as the Nintendo goodies. Guess I’m one of the few who can fanboy out about Nintendo as well as fanboy out about some other goodies and it’ll still end up on my WiiU, looking nearly the same as the PS4 & XB1 versions and I still enjoy it just as much as the people who got it on their other systems

  • Skelterz

    But why are people who buy Wii U consoles in the wrong because they only want nintendo software, I as a person don’t feel responsible its down to the company to make it worth while owning 3rd party software on the wii u and at the same time if i have another system that has extra content at no extra cost why am i going to get the Wii u version. Its down to nintendo to MAKE 3rd party devs release equal if not exclusive material for multiplats for there system and if they don’t the wii u owners are not to blame and shouldn’t feel guilty what’s so ever.

    And in the case of indie titles Its me, Im the guy that bashes constant indie games and i don’t give a fuck, The article states if the indie games weren’t there what would we be playing, Well i’ve spoken to countless Wii U owners and a lot of them have said they have other systems and indie games are not that big of a deal bottom line.

    Nintendo 50m + Ubisoft = The division/ Nintendo 0 + Ubisoft = Delayed watchdogs.

    That’s what its all about don’t listen to this shit about were the problem since when was it our job to do nintendo’s job like really are we that indenial are we that bitter nintendo needs to play the short game like sony like microsoft the reason we ain’t getting no 3rd party games is because NIntendo DON’T FUCKING PAY DEVS FOR THEM THEY DON’T BULLY THE INDUSTRY LIKE EA AND MICROSOFT END OF.

    • Brandon

      I know its just an example, but I dont think even if the wii u sold 50 million it would get the division. The wii sold alot of units and it still didnt get assassins creed.

      • Skelterz

        yeah fair point but if nintendo put enough money into the pockets of developers they would get more games that’s a fact mate

  • tomtom__s

    I’m a huge Nintendo fan but I only got the Wii U for the Nintendo games. All other games I play aren’t even available on the Wii U and upcoming title’s of some games are only available on PS4 and Xbox ONE.

  • FutureFox

    I don’t think its mimicry. I think NFCs were already in the sights of the gaming industry and Nintendo wants to pursue it through their own IPs.

    An exclusivity deal would likely ask Nintendo not to pursue it with their own IPs and thus hobbling them due to competing with the host platform. In the short term it could have been a rainmaker but Nintendo likes to use technologies in new ways that serve their product offerings. Plus there is way more money to be made through the consumer market regarding NFCs than one brand (Skylanders) alone.

  • DOLBYdigital

    I rarely comment here anymore but I wanted to applaud Ashley for not shying away from one of the biggest issues Nintendo has with this industry… The average Nintendo gamer… The majority of Nintendo fans/gamers simply do NOT support 3rd party…. and I don’t mean support crappy 3rd party games that are gimped or just plain bad games. I am talking about awesome and unique 3rd party games. I watched this same exact thing happen with the Wii. I used to plead and beg with gamers to support any of the amazing 3rd party games that got released only to see they sold maybe 60k… It was so sad and aggravating to watch these gems not get played and not supported and therefore not continued or brought to the system for remakes/sequels.

    I actually gave up since it’s clear that the situation isn’t going to change. Now that I see the same thing happening with the WiiU, I am glad I gave up when I did. It’s saved me a lot of heartache. In the end, I actually wish there was just 1 system that played all games. Developers could create new controllers or hardware to play ‘their’ games but all games were available to all gamers. No more exclusivity or console wars or any of that BS… but I digress… enough rambling from me… life is too short people, play games and have fun :)

    • Chris Heskin

      You are describing a PC there…

    • iamserious

      PC… Steam… Mods… Emulators… Master race… Lol Jk.

    • MerryBlind .

      Like the other have said, PC is pretty much what you wished existed. Though sure it doesn’t have PS, Xbox, or Nintendo exclusives, but you can use a PS AND an Xbox AND a Nintendo on a PC if you want. I’m using my PS3 controllers and Wii U Pro controller on PC right now.

  • Chris Heskin

    Ashely, that is the realest shit right there and i hope you are right.

  • Rom/Ram Paul 2016

    Lets face it, 3rd party games just play better on the other current gen consoles. Why would I want to play Watch Dogs with no AA when I can get it for my PC with 16x MSAA with better lighting and visual filters?

    • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

      So Nintendo doesn’t die?

      • Rom/Ram Paul 2016

        I’m sorry I love Nintendo and have poured plenty of money in games that I don’t even play (I bought Batman Arkham Origins just to support Nintendo) but I’m done. I’ve done my community service now It’s time to get what I want.

        • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

          Fair enough. Once I get mine, I’ll see what I can do.

          • Rom/Ram Paul 2016

            That’s good. I have 12 games so far on the Wii U and I actually enjoy all of them except a couple. If the attach rate is high it would serve to help Nintendo even if sales are low.

          • http://Website.com Shane Michaels

            Software sales are always good.

  • http://Website.com Shane Michaels
  • kopaka7

    I don’t think blaming the troubles of the Wii U on Nintendo fans is part of the problem. Maybe the perception is that we buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games, but that is because Nintendo has struggled for almost 20 years, since the PS1 stole away N64 exclusives, to secure highly acclaimed third party games for its consoles. There were good N64 3rd party games and good 3rd party GameCube games, but there were barely any must-have 3rd party Wii games and maybe one or two decent 3rd party games for Wii U. And here’s the thing: if people didn’t buy the Wii U for Nintendo games, it would have no sales. Yeah, that’s the truth. There is no killer exclusive 3rd party game for Wii U. It isn’t even debatable, because if there was, it would have sold at least 1M copies from an install base of over 6M, which isn’t too hard to do. ZombiU? Wonderful 101? Rayman Legends? None of these games have managed to even hit a million, let alone the multimillion copies 3rd party games have sold on Nintendo’s own 3DS. It’s bad enough that 6.1 million of us bought this system, which has so far struggled more than the other 8th gen systems, had a $50 price cut, and is constantly mistaken for its predecesssor while it maintains the lowest reputation, and the least Nintendo could do is to be more honest. Honest about what? I don’t know, maybe by giving realistic launch dates for games, making accurate sales forecasts, giving us release dates instead of endless snide Nintendo Directs. No, Nintendo has an obligation to launch a killer first-party game to guide the third parties, and without one it should have never have launched the Wii U a year before PS4 and Xbox One. Don’t try and blame the struggles of a company that has been a generation behind since it stuck with cartridges on the N64 on the loyal fans who have bought into a failing system. I bought a Wii U on launch day, I have stuck with the system since, but I do not want to be told I am the problem after all the struggles I have seen the system go through. If there’s one thing you should learn from Jimmy Carter, it is to never blame the people.

  • iamserious

    The biggest reason for Nintendo’s “failures” is the damn mass media! Video games as a whole is a “niche” market. Video games are supposed to be “cool” regardless of how fun or enjoyable they are. The media determines what is cool and what isn’t. They love to be negative extremists. Hype trains are created by them. Failures are determined by them. Everyone who disagrees with the mass media is not a reliable opinion and they don’t matter. Wii’s sold like crazy but it didn’t matter. I love Nintendo games but apparently Nintendo games are just for kids and Nintendo consoles should be for 1st 2nd and 3rd parties alike. I do not buy a console for third party games unless they are exclusive to that platform, at which point I then look at them like first party games. Nintendo has definitely screwed up but only by allowing the media to screw them over and rewrite the Nintendo image. All of this is obviously just my opinion.

    • Leo

      Your opinion is very on point. I blame greatly the western media to undermine foreign business models, specially those coming from the east part of the world. Sony foresaw this even before entering the gaming business and trough all the 90s have sucessfully westernized its image in order to avoid the predictable negativity, now it has solidified a very western image effectively abandoning its japanese roots.

      In my opinion, at this point, its not worth anymore the effort to rebrand Nintendo for the western culture, mostly because the gaming industry as a whole is on the verge of total colapse and we don’t know yet what the future holds in this business, not even if it still is sustainable. So i believe that Nintendo should start working right now on something entirely new to enter a new phase on its existence, probably moving away from this damaged industry, and once again should try a new business, it could eventually integrate traditional gaming to a new niche, much like the new “quality of life” device that Iwata was talking about, effectively creating an entirely new business.

      • ben

        Interesting side effect is that Sony’s PS4 is now considered to western in Japan.

    • FutureFox

      The media did everything in their power to praise SM3DW and DKC:TF (and ALBW while we’re at it). SM3DW sold extremely well, DK….not some much but okay, I guess.

      Even the articles that stick by Nintendo can easily point out it’s faults not out of some morbid inner hate but because its there in plain sight.

      The hype trains I think are more a result of the fact there is so little unique gracing the Wii U that ANY little bit of a morsel of news regarding it gets amplified. If in an alternate world there was a Super Metroid, Mega Man, Contra (insert class kick ass game here) coming out every 6 months and ON TIME the media would be too busy providing equal coverage on things they know is coming and know a little about.

      Its a state of affairs created by Nintendo for Nintendo.

      People were mostly excited about the Wii U until the droughts started and delays started.

      Final note, I think Miyamoto is working on an NFC game to be revealed at E3 and I also think Iwata’s QoL is perhaps the NFC which includes everything NFC discussed in this article.

  • http://sites.google.com/site/wiinupro Justin

    I think the word “drought” gets thrown around far too often. Nintendo has personally pushed out more games on Wii U than they did on GameCube in the same time period (a lot more if you count eShop titles and Virtual Console games). And games take much more effort to make and release now than they did back then. The problem consumers are having is that they aren’t quite the games they want. They aren’t the major titles they are expecting (even if it’s reasonable or not).

  • flclfool

    Well written, good solid points that many haven’t bothered analyzing :) as for the replies… wtf

  • Purple

    Heres how my brain thinks. It’s not that I the consumer am the problem. I should’t buy games I don’t want because I feel sorry for a company that I like. It is the Nintendo’s job and Sony and Microsoft to provide games that make me Want to buy those games. Make must buy games. I’m not going to buy Assassins Creed because if i don’t ubisoft won’t support Nintendo. I don’t like Assassins Creed. I’ll buy what i want. Now if Ubisoft released an all new Prince Of Persia for Wii U then hell yes I’ll buy it!.
    Is that the first racing simulator ever on a Nintendo console (unless you count Formula 1 for N64) and it’s coming to Wii U ? what’s it called? PROJECT CARS huh?… sounds awesome! I’ll buy that for sure!!!! oh Rayman Legends is delayed for 9 months? oh now it’s out? guess what… I”m over it. not excited for it. now i won’t buy it cuz I don’t feel like it. that’s how my mind works.

    We the consumers have the power. it is us that Pay them. it’s our hard earned money.
    vote with your wallet. They will have no choice but rethink the way they are doing things.

  • Commander Jim

    The real problem? That so many people in this comments section have the mindset that it’s a consumers job to help a corporation and to buy inferior games in order to support the company. This mindset is ludicrous. It’s not our job to financially support Nintendo, it’s Nintendo’s job to make things people WANT to buy. You people below are are the real problem – Nintendo stopped trying to please consumers and started relying and on sheep buying anything with a Nintendo logo on it.

  • Dylan Groot

    “the problem is you”

    What the hell is this? So you’re telling me that if I truly love Nintendo I need to play watered down versions of games on an underpowered console? No! The problem is Nintendo, nobody is playing 3rd party games because they made a weak ass machine! And dont give me crap about this statement people, it’s blatantly obvious the PS4 and Xbone are way more powerful. I have a PS4 and a Wii U now, and no, I wont be buying Watch Dogs for Wii U. Why the hell would I? To convince 3rd parties to bring more watered down versions to wii u? Stupid statement bro.

  • thedeciderU

    this article is the bitchiest parts of the comment section regurgitated and is kind of pointless and extremely redundant besides the headline itself. moving on.

  • Will

    “Do they feel like third party games are inferior on Nintendo consoles?”

    I just want to add something to this statement. It’s not only that third party games are inferior on Nintendo consoles, but that Nintendo consoles themselves are inferior to other current consoles. The Wii U GamePad is a big plastic toy mess with a poor display, it’s five times thicker than an iPad, and an iPad has a computer inside as powerful as a Wii U. Think about that for a minute.

    People that buy Nintendo consoles solely to play Nintendo games are not the problem, that is merely the natural answer to Nintendo’s current proposition. It was the only logical thing with a Wii, because the multi-plat games for Wii were always limited representations of the proper game. You bought a Wii for Mario Galaxy or Zelda, maybe some of the party games. With the Wii U, it’s the same thing again. Developers have to make a last-gen port of the game, forced to include a tacked on touch screen feature. Nintendo are riding the third wheel because that’s where they’ve positioned themselves.

    Right now they are at a crossroads, they still have some of the best games in the world (both new and old), but 90%+ of people who either actively want to play them or who would be their ideal target audience are either unaware of them in the first place or are just not going to buy something as esoteric as a Wii U to play them.

    If Nintendo realises that their enormous strength is their software, not their hardware, they could become much much bigger than they are now. They could even reach an audience tenfold bigger than they have for years, and by developing for the platforms that people want to play on they could actually affect a generation of kids’ lives for the better like they did mine and many here in generations past; right now they are not, and that’s really bad when you think about it.

    Hiding great games behind bad hardware that is poorly designed from end to end, overly expensive, unsupported and massively underpowered compared to what developers and gamers expect right now is not a viable strategy. The reason anyone here is such a fan of Nintendo is because of the soul in the games they make as a developer, but no other developer is afforded the privilege of placing their games solely behind their own proprietary hardware.

    90%+ of people who would like to play Nintendo games simply don’t at all, and there are literally generations of kids who don’t know what Nintendo or Mario is simply because they don’t release games on PlayStation or Xbox or iOS or Steam. There are likely millions and millions of Steam gamers who grew up playing Nintendo games but haven’t played Zelda or Mario in years, who would sap up every last bit of Nintendo goodness they could if they released games for it. I think the same for PS4, something like Mario 3D World alongside all the flourishing creative indie games would be in its absolute element, and no doubt go on to millions of sales. A touch-screen optimized Nintendo title would no doubt put them at number one on the App Store for considerable time too.

    I know posting anything other than denial and praise will get downvoted and try and make me out to be a rival fanboy or something, but it’s the truth. I’ve had a Wii U since launch day. In fact I had a Wii, Gamecube and N64 since launch too. They have all brought me tremendous joy looking back. But right now, If Nintendo has sense they will get out of the hardware business and start getting their games on modern platforms where they will be played and appreciated by more than just us diehards.

    • Leo

      You sugest that Nintendo should develop games for PS, XBox, iOs and Steam? Ok, im done. Sashay away.

  • http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008SRISGU#reader_B008SRISGU Adam Howell

    It’s not the customers fault. It’s their job to communicate to people that it’s worth buying. That goes for both third party games and Nintendo products. There are external influence to deal with but it’s their job to do that.

    The wii u had the definitive version of a number of third party games that still didn’t sell. it wasn’t the product as much as the failed message.

  • Brian Lockett

    To be fair, Nintendo did include the feature NFP technology on the Wii U to begin with, to give room for such new ideas to be tried. If they can borrow an idea, at least they gave such ideas room to exist from the start. And if anyone should catch a break trying something another company tried, it’s Nintendo–the company that’s been emulated the most in the last 30 years.

    Besides, even Skylanders‘ concept of figurine-based gaming isn’t entirely new–we’ve seen at least the concept employed on animé shows like Yu-Gi-Oh! and Metabots. Japan’s no stranger to such alternative means of game controls. I mean, manga/shows like Yu-Gi-Oh! was paying homage to Japan’s heritage with crazy gaming. Japan taught the world how to do wacky game shows, how to dance for a video game, and how to collect some of the strangest things.

    There haven’t been collectible figurine game controls so much, but there have been other similar concepts done before of using something collectible to play the game. Heck, when you think about it, Skylanders is just taking what Pokémon well established a step further, with physical collectibles to play the video game. In a way, Nintendo inspired Skylanders. I don’t say it’s hyperbole to claim that if it weren’t for Pokémon, I don’t think folks would’ve been trying as hard to duplicate its success with a “collect them all” franchise nearly as much.

    I think Skylanders was first to introduce it into gaming, and successfully so. Disney’s Infinity followed suit, seeing Skylanders‘ high success as a new trend. If you go on Kickstarter now, you’ll see several games that are trying this trend, some of them taking it a step further by combining board games with video games. Nintendo’s just taking advantage of the rising trend.

    It’s not original, but hey, they provided technology to allow ideas like this, and a move like this might help the Wii U survive better. I think Nintendo’s looking for their next angle to be a hit for Wii U, even if a move like this is likely to target families/casual gamers more than veteran/core Nintendo gamers. Though, anything is worth a shot towards stirring more interest in Wii U.

  • Nathan Minsk

    You REALLY cannot blame Nintendo’s lack of success on the customer. If a customer is provided a better option on a different platform, they shouldn’t be forced to settle with an inferior Wii u version (for games in which the Wii u version is objectively inferior for example, Arkham Origins) based on the company’s welfare. That is ridiculous. It is the company’s responsibility to sell goods that a customer wants to buy and is NOT the consumer’s responsibility to take a hit to bail out a company. I do agree, however, that an open mind should be kept towards 3rd party titles on the Wii U, in case they provide a better experience on the platform

    • Marcus Larsson

      The problem with third party purchase on Nintendo has been a problem since n64 and mostly gc and wii..
      Not just the wii u.
      People buy Nintendo ips on Nintendo consoles, fact.

  • Daniel Carvalho

    Regarding the third party stuff, I like to explain things like this: we have been educated to NOT get third party games on Nintendo consoles, as a better version would always come for the rival consoles. Just think of Tales of: Namco launches a new game with timed exclusivity for a Nintendo console; if it sells well, about a year after it’s launch on Nintendo platforms it goes to Sony with improved graphics, more artes, new enemies, new sidequests, new titles, new clothes, more support for DLC and even better bonuses for pre-order (bonus DVD/Blu-ray).

    It’s not a secret to anybody that this happens: Ratatosk no Kishi/Dawn of the New World only reached the PS3 because Tales of Symphonia did; if not for this “combo”, it would never be ported to Sony consoles due to its low sales for a Tales of game standard. In contrast to that we have the original Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Graces. The only time I saw a Tales of game skip a Nintendo platform for that “test drive” was when they decided to do something the Wii couldn’t handle with its limited hardware.

    It’s not like the player is at fault for not getting third party titles on Nintendo consoles, it’s just that it has become stupidity to do so due to the lack of third party support!

  • FlashFan207

    “… but I’m still holding my breath hoping Nintendo gets things right.” Aren’t we all… As close to our hearts that we all hold Nintendo and our beloved Wii U, I believe all of us here are hoping for the best. We all know the system is awesome and is completely capable of holding the interest of anyone, Nintendo fan or not, who makes the purchase. We’ve all played amazing games on this system. And as Ashley said, if more interest is paid by non-Nintendo fans to this system, so too are the chances that more 3rd party developers will develop for the Wii U.

    • F Tyse

      Yes but that ship has already sailed … Unless Nintendo has a secret passenger (idea / product / vr – and bring it to market first / or simply something really really) big that would catch the world off guard and
      Put all gamers eyes back on nintendo this gen. So far, there is nothing of that order of magnitude that I have heard about – not even distant rumors or user created conceptual designs :(. Trust me – I long for the days of Nintendo having a monopoly on castlevanias, Mario, metroid, Zelda’s + all the cool third party games. I loved having 1 system that had everything I ever dreamed about playing all right there – it kept things clean :) I like that

  • Patrick Francis

    I only buy Xbox for Xbox specific games, I only buy Playstations for Playstation specific games, and I only buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. Why? Because ANY game that is decent will be on the PC, and PC games are 1000x superior in every way imaginable.

    Secondly, The fact that the Wii U Gamepad has had a built-in NFC chip in it’s early designs means they probably planned on using it. Meaning either with cards or figurines, which may even be why they didn’t want Skylanders on their console, because they had their own similar game in the works.

    The last thing I can say is, Nintendo comes from a different culture, Way over in Japan, and that is the main market they care about. That market is MUCH more about getting together and playing games, rather than online play, so that is what they focus on. Which is why they develop games with Local Multiplayer rather than Online for almost every single game they create.

    The problem with the Wii U is the entire idea, the 2nd screen so far hasn’t done anything exciting, therefor the Wii U isn’t very exciting. Simple.

  • bob

    Really the issue is nothing innovative in the wiiu. Wii brought motion control that hadn’t been seen before, wiiu brought a tablet that had been seen already. Nothing new means competition with the rest and that is where 3rd party and spec hyping always wins. Nintendo needs to make a few killer first party games and chug out dlc for them, even if it is fan created dlc. Think zelda with user generated dungeons. They have zelda, metroid, smash bros, and mario kart. Do It right and those could lead the system to success.

  • Stephen Macneil

    Ashley, I only play Nintendo games on Wii U because I have a nearly decade old xbox 360 and a brand new PS4 that are better at third party. That not my fault. Nintendo made decisions and because of that I got a Wii U to play games I can’t get anywhere else. That being said, if the Wii U has the best version of any game I will buy that. I have Rayman Legends and Deus Ex on Wii U.

  • AlThor

    I still think coming out in the next year to year and a half with a new Nintendo handheld is the strongest way to ensure WiiU sales rebound. A handheld that does everything the gamepad can do and be truly portable would allow you to play at home with the WiiU and everywhere else on the go. Ya, I’m a “fusion” fanboy, but why not leverage profitable handheld dominance with “next gen” gaming. Getting 3rd party publishers on board is key, get some input from them on the architecture of this handheld and this could be the next big thing in gaming!

  • X3Charlie

    The part about them mimicking competitors is so true. They’ve been so resistant to standard features on other platforms like cross game chat and achievements; basically limiting your social experience with others because they act like a very controlling parent and they don’t want to be seen as copying others.

  • F Tyse

    Honestly, the wii-u, regardless of true “system power” arguments, these words are exactly one of the major if not dominate reasons Nintendo is in it’s current predicament. The general feeling of non-fanboy gamers is it’s a weak system. The rumors about it’s weakness were headline news (true or not) it didn’t matter as Nintendo already had a history or legacy of not embracing the graphics rat race, mainly due to the Wii (regardless of it’s success) within days of the Wii-U release there were devs boycotting franchises based on the system specs, hackers with info about the chip architecture – and the headlines on that was it’s an old discarded chip design. So, true or false, that’s what was said about the system. Then there is the fact that the system regardless of
    It’s ingenuity – will have issues running the now current gen games as well as the competition (even if only speculative) is enough to scare away 3rd party Ip.

    Nintendo should have come out of the gate hailing the system power – and making a product with flashy numbers, bragging about the # of processor Cores, video ram, and raw power – IF they really cared about developing 3rd party support.

    The word on the street that has always surrounded this console was it’s lackluster power and the question of it’s capability to be considered “next gen” – Nintendo should have known this after all the complaints of bad ports / practically redone games on they Wii. So it is THEIR fault for not seeing what was so clear to us. I am unhappy about my wii u purchase, because I had hoped to have a day where I could play most of my favorite ips on one console. I had practically achieved this with my 360 last gen. Tho I did buy a wii for a few golf games, and metroid. I realized they didn’t hold my interest as much as the classic super metroid and I felt as if I could have done without the wii. I had hoped with the wii u and the new game pad concept that it could be a really cool feature. Especially being able to continue play on the pad when my fiancée was ready for bed. I thought to myself – if this thing will get real 3rd party support – this will be awesome ! I can play in bed and not bother my fiancée with a disco light show shining off the massive flat screen aimed at our bed – as I always enjoy a lazy evening of GTA after she goes to bed. Sadly, that’s a game that will never come to my Wii u along with a slew of others yet to be released.

    Let’s face it – Nintendo really screwed up – however you want to look at it – either they didn’t make a system competitive enough or they didn’t combat the negative press enough at a very crucial time – assuming they wanted to up the anti and make a system that garnered heavy 3rd party support – which I believe they were, but yet in that same breath they opted not to push the technology envelop (or at least not to embrace raw numbers) which is sad (even if the design was or is highly innovate and cost
    Effective). We don’t live in a society that gets it’s purchasing info from long stories about what a radically new design this system was by it’s ability to use an old chip architecture – we get it from the key word worthy of a great headline “old chip” and that’s all gamers needed – confirmation that they were essentially being invited to buy a system who’s word on the street (regardless of the truth) was only marginally better than their 8 year old ps 3 / xbox 360. No wonder it’s now a dead weight system for all major 3rd party support. How did Nintendo miss the cultural shift of the west being a society of headlines and the masses falling prey to false or exaggerated news stories – details don’t matter here if you need to explain why you’re not what they say you are in anything longer than a headline. If something has to be studied or speak of anything deeper than x’ghz speed and you start talking like “well the chocolate tri ARM Architecture, and the memory buffer etc… ” that spells disaster for everyone over here on this side of the pacific anyway. People just hear weak, and justifications instead of raw power.

    Think of this – even in today’s fuel economic cars -
    Horsepower is STILL an important factor in a large segment of car buyers – even tho that person will rarely, if ever! utilize the true acceleration potential of that car. Now talk torque – that’s something that only the more sporty or knowledgeable car enthusiast will care to even see the numbers on – these two groups are equivalent to the varying degrees of gamers / hardcore gamers etc and to them numbers matter, and they want to make a purchase that will give them the MOST options and freedom to buy the games and titles that appeal to them – that means in most cases a powerful system to future proof them for x number of years.

    • F Tyse

      I waited to see which of the big 2 sold more – them after the clear winner was ps4 – I thought to myself … Well my personal fav exclusive ip for xbox last gen was state of decay. All the other games I really liked were 3rd party IPs. Then I thought about all the exclusives that don’t had last gen that I’ve always wanted to play – god of war, last of us and that sealed the deal. As I want a system that sold a ton so I feel good about my purchase and it will get the games I want. (I travel for a living) and I take a system on the road quite often … I hate owning multiple systems as it makes me feel like I have to pick a fav child to take with me – I hate saying “well what will I probably be in the mood to at next week … Which determined in the past what I brought with me, a gaming laptop, and xbox, a wii, a ps 2, etc etc maybe it’s because I’m older now, but I don’t want to fuss with 3 systems. I have 2 360′s – because my fiancé likes to play too, and so I’d go move to another tv to work on my game while she played hers. And I really liked just having 1 system type (lol) to keep track of – I guess iPhones and pads have re-trained my brain to – simple, clean and easy – 1 device, no memory sticks to keep track of etc – and that spilled into my system choice. In the past I ways owned all the systems, dreamcast, ps2, xbox, ps 1, GameCube,n64,genesis, turbo gfx 16 lol, neo geo, 3ds, lol etc. and it was a mess keeping all my prima guides, memory sticks, game sharks, av wires organized. I had enough and just wanted 1 awesome system that was popular to guarantee me lots or the most gaming options. Isn’t that what we all hope for when we buy a system (at least deep down inside)

    • FutureFox

      There’s really nothing Nintendo could have done. If Nintendo came out bragging about its power then its competitors would do the same and trounce it completely. It be a wasted advertising effort, which is why the better angle would have been to have games that really took advantage of the gamepad’s unique gameplay. But they botched that up nicely.

      • F Tyse

        I agree with you – entirely, but I (since I kind of stopped paying attention to the wii u news until recently again) has the systems power debate been settled or debunked ? If so, can it play and keep up with (for this generations lifespan) the ps4 and xboxone … Or better stated – can the same games on ps4 / Xbox be ported with ease to the wii u without a noticeable loss of quality ? Or more importantly – a massive rewrite of a game like what happened on the origional wii? If so – than Nintendo just needs a massive marketing campaign stating exactly that.

        But I’m assuming it cannot do the above question … Otherwise they would have done so by now. So – I’ll go out on a limb until getting a reply on that, where I’ll say : Nintendo could have waited a little longer or assumed that Sony and M$ Would push the tech envelop and therefor build a system using past historical price points of the competition (roughy $400 us) with a common architecture and setup with a good dev kit basically insuring that the wii u could at least play ball in the same league as the competitors systems and I truely believe Nintendo would be enjoying a long series of healthy financial quarters – and us gamers would be pretty happy with 3rd parties and great Nintendo exclusives. I just can’t believe they dared to dip into that renegade “less is more philosophy”drinking well twice as it was common knowledge that many gamers were unhappy with the second rate ports of the last gen due to the first Wii’s lack of power.

        • FutureFox

          Regarding its power the general consensus is that it is not as powerful as PS4 or Xbone. But with proper memory management and other tricks can deliver great looking games somewhere between PS4/Xbone untapped potential and maybe a teeny-tiny bit above that.

          With news about NFCs I think this was Nintendo’s real ace in the hole. The gamepad touch gameplay was a bonus (maybe even a smoke screen) but it doesn’t seem to factor with Nintendo’s possible long term goals regarding the console. Hence I believe is why the system itself is underpowered.

          At this point its safe to accept the Wii U as Nintendo’s test platform to see what works. So second screen gaming is a fizzle so now they’re implementing their NFC idea which sounds like it was part of their strategy with this thing from the beginning.

          The annoying is what little marketing they did do completely hide this from potential consumers. I suspect at the cost of misdirecting their competition as to what their real goals were.

          • F Tyse

            Very interesting ! :) and I’m thinking you might be on to something – nintendos cash position is what really gives this theory some ability to hold water – as they were / are in a position to pull off such a heist … If that is indeed what they had indeed to do. However, I still want to review the timelines and ponder – had Nintendo released system specs that were appropriately / or plausibly / or even plausibly artificially high – would that have really altered sony and ms’s true hardware designs to any extent – as these things are years in the making – sure they can tweak at the end like MS did after the 2013 unavailing debacle lol – which was and remained a contributing factor for my switching to ps4 from xbox. But anyway – just curious if it would have had a big effect on what they were releasing – as there are these temporary ceilings / and or limitations that are amplified when one takes into account the economics and P/E ratios when it comes to graphics etc.

          • F Tyse

            Here is my dream – and my trademark idea for Nintendo – help me out with this thought and we can go in business if they are not currently doing it. I feel (and had felt since I saw lawn mower man as a kid lol back in the early 90s I think lol) that VR was the future I remember first trying it out in Chicago at north pier in the mid 90′s. It was some platform game like thing with pvp (kinda) but back then the technology was so young and very expensive. Now – here is my concept for our wii. Look at how the oculus rift as of 2 years ago – and look what they were making it out of – cell phones, gyros etc … Now our game pad can / base system has tracking, it can display (practically) realtime video, and Nintendo said … We could have 2 game pads simultaneously … Running on our wii u – potentially with little or no loss. Now, (Oculus rift) used 2 phones – one for each eye (essentially) could our wii u – be capable of VR in it’s current form if Nintendo provides us with a headset. Or one is developed using what they have supplied us with ?

  • F Tyse

    I guess I’m thinking too practically but – petty much every generation of smart phones can play and run the same games, and a have similar specs – so they all get the top selling – best and brightest software. Why did Nintendo pull a wii .. Twice – knowing the criticism of the first one – regarding it’s lack of power. They knew the old folks wouldn’t buy another game system … So they had to go back and cater to the gamers … But they decided to dip into the wii well twice and got the same outcome – no third party support.

  • Draud

    I would hesitate to say that the consumer is the problem. I would say
    the vision of the Wii U that has been imprinted on the consumer is the
    problem. To the audience that grew alongside Nintendo, the company was
    the provider of the premium gaming experience they were looking for. The
    premium entertainment. However, as the kids that were amazed with the
    N64 became teenagers and adults, they expected the company to walk along
    them in that journey. This means: Graphics that blow our minds,
    excellent online integration, and catering to the correct audience.

    Perhaps
    Nintendo attempted to capture the kids again. But, in doing so, left
    the young adults, eager to see the evolution of that nostalgic feeling
    that the previous generations left, abandoned.

    Also, the Wii u was left alone, in a terrible, untimely drought.

    But
    these are stepping stones of a company that is slowly embracing the
    changes of the market. I highly agree that trying to repeat what the Wii
    did with the Wii U has a mistake, made, apparently, because of a
    certain stiffness from Nintendo. But, hopefully, and for the sake of the
    gaming industry, they will react, get up, and survive this mishap.

  • Draud

    Btw, no matter how much we nag right now, we all know we are going to be some real horny bitches for Nintendo when they release Zelda U XDDD :3 At least, I know I will XD

  • TrueWiiMaster

    I think we should wait until we actually see what Nintendo’s doing with the figurines before assuming it’s just a copy of Skylanders. While it’s obviously similar to Skylanders, it’s not unusual for Nintendo to take something familiar and do something entirely new with it.

  • ben

    1. It is not a copy of Skylanders or Disney infinity. It is a product for saving between games and customizing your games, and playing preferences. Learn Japanese Ashley.

    2. If third parties made games that appealed to nintendo fans nintendo fans would buy the games. As has been proved by the success of Child of Light on the eSHOP.

    3. The online for mariokart 8 is suppose to be impeccable.

  • stealth20k

    I like this article alot. Fair