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Nintendo explored using current IP characters for Splatoon

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Splatoon was my pick for Game of Show for this year’s E3, as it was highly unexpected but pleasantly surprising in terms of both gameplay and a fresh new IP for Nintendo. Nintendo has always tread on tip toes when exploring the shooter genre, so to see a game focused around team-based combat and territory control from Nintendo was a great surprise. Perhaps the bigger surprise is news that producer Hisashi Nogami considered using already established characters for this idea, before deciding to use the squids.

When we had a really good long think about, would one of [our established IP characters] fit it? Or should this new squid idea be the way to go? We realized squids were definitely the only thing we could go with.

Nogami said in an interview with Game Informer that his team looked at creating the game around using existing characters from Nintendo’s bevy of established franchises, but ultimately felt the mechanics they wanted to establish in the game didn’t fit any of their major characters. According to Nogami, characters weren’t established for the game until the mechanics for gameplay had been ironed out, which they discovered worked really well with squids after the ability to swim fast and splatter ink everywhere were included in the game.

First we started with the ability to shoot ink but then we added the ability to swim really fast through it, and as we kept adding more abilities to what the player was able to do, there was this kind of moment where we all realized, ‘Oh yeah, this would work really well with squids.

So Splatoon could have been a Mario game, but it turns out the mechanics are better suited to squids than an Italian plumber.

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  • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

    Aww, no fludds?

    • JB

      I was thinking the same thing.. Of course it’d be kind of a cool Nintendo meta moment if they added fludds as a weapon.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        I could see them doing that

        and a mercedes benz instead of a squid

        • Michael Ocampo

          literally an all terrain vehicle XD

    • mojack411

      If it wasn’t swimming mechanic, then Fludd would’ve fit right in. But because of the swimming they really couldn’t make it work with Mario characters. I’m actually really glad they made original characters for this. That and they’re absolutely adorable!

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        yeah, I’m glad its a new IP too :)

    • jjbredesen

      Mario Sunshine HD CONFIRMED!

      Nah, but i think that would have been really cool, still nice that they made a new IP instead of yet another Mario crossover.

      • https://twitter.com/Zorpix_Fang Zorpix

        yeah, I’m all for that

    • Ghazbaran

      There’s always hope for an easter egg :(

  • Richard

    I’m glad. I like
    Nintendo characters fine but Nintendo needs to embrace the idea of branching
    out to new characters and settings to make their games stand out more.

  • Rinslowe

    Yeah. I’m glad they came to the logical conclusion. It’s fresh and funky because of it…
    Can’t wait to lurk in the ink. And ambush my prey, haha.
    I’m sure there’s plenty of options available given the full range of horizontal and vertical movement available, within the ink…

  • Ducked

    Character design looks weird in my opinion.

    • greengecko007

      Weird, sure, but I feel like it fits well. Like the guys commentating the treehouse gameplay said, I really like how they used squids as a motif throughout the game.

      • Ducked

        It’s not the squids that are weird. It’s how the characters look like six year old girls.

        • greengecko007

          I meant that even in their humanoid forms, the characters retain elements from their squid forms. The tentacle hair extensions and the goggle like eyes being examples.

          • Ducked

            You do have a good point there.

  • Linskarmo

    I like how they come up with the mechanics first, and the characters afterwards. That way they aren’t tied up by characters’ limitations.

    • jjbredesen

      Yeah, that is actually what they did with A Link Between World, it actually started as a Metroid game.

      • Linskarmo

        Wow! I never would have guessed! That’s quite an amazing shift. Although I would have liked a Metroid game too… :P

  • Sdudyoy

    I’m glad they decided to go with a new IP, though I don’t really care for the squids, they work for this game.

  • disqus_QNIAqtNpHo

    thanks zorpix! u just gave me an idea they could add a mario amiibo with flood

  • disqus_QNIAqtNpHo

    F.L.U.D.D speling error

  • gerb1977

    Are Bloopers gonna make a guest appearance?

    • Jason

      Yes, there was a blooper on the wall in one of the screenshots.

  • bistricky

    Splatoon might be the perfect game to incorporate amiibo’s …… then you could have your cake and eat it too ….. want to replace one of the characters with Mario ….. just amiibo it ….. brainstorming.
    Cheers :D

    • Nintenjoe82

      patent your idea now so you can pull a Philips in 6 years time :)

      • bistricky

        ROFLOL …… timely joke ….. XD

        • Nintenjoe82

          To be honest I think you’ve cleverly second guessed the reason they’re not using Nintendo characters.

          • jjbredesen

            Ah, now releasing them through Amiibo would be a great way to make some extra cash…not sure i would support that sort of move though, becomes to much like a micro transaction, but i will stay open minded for now.

          • bistricky

            It would definitely work best if (for example) you bought a Mario amiibo for the new Smash Bros., which also worked with Mario Kart 8 and which also worked with the new IP Splatoon. 1 amiibo 3 games. More brainstorming.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Nintendo said (Reggie to be exact) that an Amiibo will work on different games.

          • Ghazbaran

            They will work on any game that is compatible with it, so yea…

          • jjbredesen

            Well then its not that bad.

          • Ghazbaran

            Well, once you get a amiibo, you can use it in any games that are compatible with it, so it’s a little different from micro transactions, but I get what you are saying. We’ll just have to wait and see what Nintendo does with this.

          • jjbredesen

            Yeah it will not be that bad.

      • jjbredesen
    • Yoshiwhirlwind

      Mario could turn into a red blooper with a hat and mustache and Peach could change into a pink one with a crown.

      • bistricky

        What a great idea ……

        • Yoshiwhirlwind

          Whoops didn’t read the comments, got keyboard happy. No idea is new it seems.

          • bistricky

            I liked how you described it. I like the added easter egg idea.

    • Gilbert Nicks

      Yea do it…. do it… do it…. I could totally see mario or any other amibo poping up in game with a squid hat… so u run around as said character but still look like normal squid when swimming…

      • bistricky

        That would be very cool.

        And maybe (brainstorming) have it that the amiibo characters used in Splatoon are slower [at first] then the original characters, but as you use the ambiio’s more, they develop more speed or something like that. Keeping the usefulness of the amiibo’s fair and interesting.

        BTW, your pic with child is tops in my books.

    • harkeness

      I don’t think that’s how amiibos work. They SHOULD work that way, but I don’t think you’ll be able to get link in Mario Kart for example.

      • Rinslowe

        Technically there’s nothing stopping them from doing so. A quick patch of the game could allow for it if they wanted…

        • harkeness

          There isn’t anything stopping them, I just don’t think they’re going to do that, while they should do it.

          • Rinslowe

            Fair enough.

          • harkeness

            Ok. I think it would be technically simple for them to bring characters into smash brothers that aren’t in the game through amiibos, I just don’t see Nintendo being that interesting.

          • Rinslowe

            I also don’t see it happening any time soon.

          • greengecko007

            Sounds like a neat idea, but like you said it’s very farfetched… Why would they spend the resources making additional character models for various games when only a handful of people would be able to utilize them? The amiibo characters will probably be restricted to games in which the characters already exist.

          • harkeness

            Which is also strange to me… I just don’t get it really. I can see amiibos being great for a pokemon stadium type game though.

          • greengecko007

            They basically already tried that with Pokemon Rumble U, which never took off… at all… I don’t really think selling these kind of tech toys would work with Pokemon anyways. There’s over 600 characters, with everyone having their own favorites. It would be very difficult for Nintendo to manufacture the toys to correspond with demand accurately.

          • harkeness

            Hmm I guess so, but then what the hell is the point of these things? It seems just a like a me too cash grab after looking at skylanders.

          • greengecko007

            Supposedly, they are able to act as more intelligent AI, like being capable of learning your fighting style in games like Super Smash Bros. There’s also supposed to be some benefit of using them across several games they are compatible with. I don’t know that we have any information on specifically what those benefits are.

          • Big_Dean

            not sure if amiibo will be great. it might work with games like super smash bros. since it looks like N is using that game as the starting platform for them. and could see it working on something like splatoon which was discussed because that game is void completely of N’s characters but with other games I wonder how it will work. not that its bad. if N does find a way to crossover characters which don’t presently exist in something like Mario kart, then N can take my money.

          • Rinslowe

            “Supposedly, they are able to act as more intelligent AI, like being capable of learning your fighting style in games like Super Smash Bros.”

            I’d like to know more about how they’re looking to achieve that. It was an interesting mention during E3…

          • greengecko007

            I’m sure we’ll get more information on them closer to the release of Smash. They do want us to buy them after all, and they are making Smash out to be the main game you’d want to have these ammibos on.

          • Rinslowe

            True. It does sound quite good. Technically could be very interesting. Especially in the way it was communicated. I hope they don’t take too long in sharing more about that aspect. I wonder if it allows for a similar dynamic to Forza 5’s Drivatars? Although I haven’t actually played that game yet to know if it even works as well as the concept…

          • Rinslowe

            Chipped card sets?

  • https://twitter.com/Onyzora Ony

    I already love this game.

    HYPE !!

  • Nintenjoe82

    Should be Miis

  • condor87z

    I am frankly glad that they made new characters for this game. Plus the

    Splatoons (I’m guessing that’s what they call the characters) can be included in future smash bros.

    • http://www.gengame.net/ Guesty Pooh!

      Adding them into Smash Bros, it just makes sense.

      Maybe they could add the squids into Battallion Wars. They would fit nicely and they could rename it Splatallion Wars!

      • Ghazbaran

        “future smash bros” For this next one it wouldn’t be the best idea, with the game not being released and all.

  • greengecko007

    Glad they decided against it. Not every new Nintendo IP needs a preexisting (Mario) character to sell it. Some of us prefer it this way.

  • MerryBlind .

    Well as much as I agree going with Nintendo characters wouldn’t work for this game, I think those character designs are really weak in my opinion. The game looks great, but the characters are really… “mehh”…

    • Cyntheta Luis

      The characters really grow on me ALOT after I basically searched every E3 Splatoon gameplay videos, its great. Better than every generic shooter soldier.

  • Razo_E

    Would have been cool with a bunch of Toads, seeing as the characters are androgynous anyway. Still, new IPs are always good!

  • Archiq09

    This game will be very diffrent to game of our days.

    • games-master-of-truth

      Looks like de blob

  • harkeness

    This is my issue with Nintendo. Why even consider using mario or something like that? Hasn’t Mario been in enough games? When they come up with new IP’s they should keep them as new IP’s not as an expansion of an already existing one.

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      Well said.

    • Officer Raichu

      well they didnt this time so thats good :D

      • harkeness

        Yea, thankfully.

    • Fierce-Deity Link

      the reason is that new IPs don’t sell all that well.. let’s take a look at the wonderful 101.. great game… they considered using mario characters but they didn’t.. the results.. well.. it sold poorly.. that’s not too say pasting mario into it will make it sell a million but it would sell more …

      • harkeness

        Not all new IPs sell poorly and you also have to establish an IP as well. The fact that they are afraid to try and just use known characters that they feel will guarantee sales should tell you something about Nintendo…

        • Rinslowe

          That makes 0 sense.
          In your reasoning the fact that they chose to use new characters this time. Which is a positive that many critics have been complaining of in recent years. Somehow you manage to attribute that move as a negative or as you put it “afraid” to use established characters?
          How on Earth. lol did you come about to the conclusion that one automatically implied the other?
          Their own reasoning according to the developers was that they wanted squids at the forefront of design including the transition to humanoid.form. It makes logical sense in that respect to lead with new characters instead on transforming old ones.
          This is really all that is saying about Nintendo…
          Or care to elaborate on your opinion.

          • harkeness

            You have completely misunderstood me. I’m saying it’s a good thing that they went with new characters and that it’s bad that they even considered using Mario at all because that is generally how they approach “new” IPs.

            What I’m implying is that Nintendo is creatively bankrupt in many ways and incredibly risk averse to the point of reusing IPs so much.

          • Rinslowe

            Yeah, I can see that. Apologies for the most part…

          • harkeness

            No problem.

          • harkeness

            I think that their overuse of their known characters like Mario in game types that do not call for his presence is clear evidence that they are afraid and also lazy.

          • Rinslowe

            I think the approach to new IP’s and third party exclusive content is in direct contradiction to your opinion. But it’s fine to have that view. Just definitely not very accurate.
            I won’t be a douche and link the comment where you were comparing Splatoon to established IP’s but that was an oversight in better judgement. It’s also quite contradictory to outline the fact that new IP’s need time to become established brands. While comparing their appeal to brands already established.

          • harkeness

            “I won’t be a douche and link the comment where you were comparing
            Splatoon to established IP’s but that was an oversight in better
            judgement.”

            What THE FUCK are you talking about? That wasn’t an oversight in judgment, my point then was that splatoon will not, now or ever, have the mass appeal of a call of duty or a battlefield.

            “I think the approach to new IP’s and third party exclusive content is in direct contradiction to your opinion.”

            And then, this? What?

          • Rinslowe

            Mass appeal is defined by no’s. Not opinion. Would you consider that Smash or Kart also lacks the same level of mass appeal to those “other” established brands?
            Splatoon is a brand new IP for Nintendo. There is no point to compare them to franchises that have had their time to their user base. Mass appeal again being defined by no’s not opinion.
            It makes no sense to compare in this way for that reason alone. Not to mention the fact that although you may just end up being right, there’s no way that you could effectively say that today with any conviction.
            It’s hard to say what kind of appeal the game creates after the second or thrid installment if it gets to that.
            So yes, an oversight in judgment in comparing new IP’s to established brands and believing opinion creates fact.

          • harkeness

            It’s fairly easy to see what has mass appeal and what doesn’t.

          • Rinslowe

            Noted once more your personal opinion. But let me riddle you this. Did you know that any of the brands mentioned by you COD, Battlefield for eg would have mass appeal at the time of their first respective reveals? Can you honestly say that with a straight face?
            Anyone can state the obvious in hindsight my friend. Which then leads me to your inclusion of Destiny. While although I agree it has garnered a healthy level of interest, where is the proof it will create this “mass appeal”?
            And what exactly is “mass appeal” out side of having an established following? The key word to factor into this topic being “established”. Which is something neither Destiny nor Splatoon has had time to foster…

          • harkeness

            Yes I can say that a military multiplayer shooter could have and would have mass appeal. i couldn’t say that Call of Duty would become one of the biggest franchises in gaming, but it’s fairly obvious that it has mainstream appeal.

            Is english your first language? I don’t think you understand what mass appeal means.

          • Rinslowe

            Again. You’re applying hindsight to the situation and expecting it holds true at the time of reveal. It doesn’t. These two military shooters are the pinnacle of titles that have established a popular following in recent years. Not all military shooters are created equal. And not all have gone on to command said established followings. Which is all that “mass appeal” really is in practice. The use of the term “mainstream” is also a point of opinion. What is obvious to you in this topic is obvious to everybody due to history only. It does not apply to Destiny outside of speculation. And it’s ok to hold the opinion that Splatoon will not reach a wide audience and establish a mass following. But that is not something that you can say with certainty. And it is not obvious for this title now. In the same way it wasn’t obvious for those title then. Again, many shooters have come and gone. Just being a part of the genre has not guaranteed success.

          • harkeness

            Look mass appeal or mainstream appeal has nothing to do with actual sales. It might tell you what might market well and have the potential of huge sales but not necessarily. All that mass appeal means is the ability of something to arouse the masses’ interests. A military shooter most certainly has mass appeal, you don’t need hindsight to tell you that.

          • Rinslowe

            Who’s talking about sales directly? Although that makes little sense as the only practical point of an established following is in creating enough profit to fund future installments and in turn make more profit. Directly in response to your use of the word “sales”.
            Noted your opinion of what mass appeal means in understanding. But if that was true. Then mass appeal and sales have nothing in common. And for the consumer and the business “mass appeal” according to you has no practical function.

          • harkeness

            You’re talking about sales.
            Mass appeal is RELATED to sales but not a guarantee of sales. That said something with less mass appeal has a lower chance of selling well than something with a lot of mass appeal.

          • Rinslowe

            “Look mass appeal or mainstream appeal has nothing to do with actual sales.”
            or
            “Mass appeal is RELATED to sales but not a guarantee of sales.”

            In regards to your personal opinion; which one is it?

            Again mass appeal in practice is really just the established following of that brand or franchise. How to apply that logic to a new IP that has neither had the chance to make it to market nor establish a following? Destiny is no different, at this point in time it only has interest, like Splatoon where time will tell how successful their respective followings become…
            A military like shooter is not a prerequisite to achieving an established following.

          • harkeness

            Is English your first language or second? Note the use of the word “actual” in the first sentence as a modifier.

          • Rinslowe

            Please quote the sentence in question in it’s entirety. Thanks

          • harkeness

            You just quoted it holy shit. I can’t believe I have to explain what fucking “mass appeal” means good lord. Anyways, here’s my statement, the one you literally just quoted, “Look mass appeal or mainstream appeal has nothing to do with actual sales.” Should I spell out what all of the implications and meanings are of that sentence? Mass appeal has nothing to do with ACTUAL sales, but everything to do with POTENTIAL sales in other words.

          • Rinslowe

            “Look mass appeal or mainstream appeal has nothing to do with actual sales.”

            You mean this sentence?

          • harkeness

            Are you fucking trolling me here?

          • Rinslowe

            No I just wanted to be certain of the point you were making in light of the condescending question of english being a first or second language and how that has nothing to do with my reply to you.
            Are you purposefully trying to side track the discussion now because it certainly looks that way.

          • harkeness

            No I’m not. I just can’t believe I have to explain the concept of mass appeal to someone. It’s ludicrous. I’m not trying to be condescending actually, I’m just trying to figure out if there’s some kind of language barrier here or communication barrier. How old are you?

          • Rinslowe

            Imagine how I feel.

          • harkeness

            Lol I can’t imagine how you feel because I’m not the one that has trouble understanding basic concepts.

          • Rinslowe

            I find that you having asked for my age while making accusations of a challenged understanding in light of what is obviously a difference in the fundamental understanding of that topic and what that understanding implies of the concepts as nothing more the frustration you are having. Like I mentioned the other day, personal insults won’t help to prove a point…

          • harkeness

            Personal insults? I’m just stating a fact. You ARE having problems understanding basic concepts, that’s not an insult. I’m asking how old you are so that I can know how to talk to you or if it’s even worth discussing this anymore.

          • Rinslowe

            Your opinion is noted. And continued insults equally so.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Personal experiences, it’s not worth discussing things with stubborn people. Your time is better put to people who get you. Personally speaking, what you said makes sense to me. Splatoon does look fun. but it does have a limited mass appeal. A game like CoD or Battlefield, are a no brainer. The market speaks for itself. My two cents there.

          • harkeness

            Thanks. I didn’t think the idea of mass appeal was so difficult to understand or controversial.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            It isn’t for me, and it’s easy to understand. I get that everyone has their view on what it means, but it’s pointless to be stubborn over facts. Though, if you know you’re right, don’t waste your time arguing over it. Some people get it, and some don’t. Or in many cases, people hate losing an argument and keep at it.

          • harkeness

            Yea lol. What do you think Nintendo could do to make a game that appeals to the mainstream and yet stay true to their philosophy on gameplay, etc.? I think they’re in a tough spot in that regard.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I think so too. It appears that their IP without Mario or other Nintendo characters, doesn’t sell enough. The big problem is that most Nintendo fans want Nintendo games, and Nintendo satisfies those consumers, but they aren’t attractive to the masses unfortunately. Nintendo games do have a charm, but mostly to Nintendo fans themselves. Being one since the 80’s, I can appreciate that, but also know, that their appeal is limited these days. Had they had third party on their side, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

            People say that Microsoft and Sony depend on third party a lot. Actually, it’s not really depending, it’s taking advantage of the opportunity. Also, Microsoft and Sony don’t have to rush their 1st party games out the door since third party support has them covered. So they can take their time bringing in the heavy hitters that will come in 2015 and beyond.

            Nintendo on the other hand, doesn’t have that advantage, which has resulted droughts and fewer games to fill in those gaps. I see nothing generally wrong with NIntendo’s games, only that they aren’t willing to fork the cash they certainly have, and make deals and bring games to their console. Maybe someday, they’ll get it through their heads. Time will tell.

          • Jonathan Robitaille

            I’ll agree. Seemingly only their established franchises sell well. But at one time these weren’t established franchises. They were new IP hoping to get a following. With each sequel and new console Nintendo has tried to maintain the interest of the game’s following by introducing new ways to use these characters whether it be Smash, Kart, or spinoffs of minor characters in the games. It’s worked really well. They have so many great IPs it’s easy to forget just how vast their portfolio is. Any new IP needs to hit the sweet spot and garner massive interest because there are so many other high quality alternatives, so new IP has to tear people away so to speak, from people’s favorites.

            I personally view games like Captain Toad as a new IP. It’s mechanics, lore, and appeal are unique enough that I can see it developing a following. Now I doubt many agree with me as he is a known character seen in many games already. But this is his first standalone. Just like Luigi, and Mario were once just parts of a larger franchise, Toad could be that next great IP as well.

            It does seem that Nintendo is opening up their wallets and minds by purchasing exclusivity through partnerships and buying studios. Hopefully that will continue. In all honesty most gamers could not just own a Wii U and fulfill all their gaming needs. Nintendo just needs to convince people that the Wii U is the console they need to go along with their PC, PS4, or Xbox One. I honestly think the price needs to come down to $249 with more storage and that would go a long way towards achieving that.

          • Rinslowe

            “but they aren’t attractive to the masses unfortunately.”

            Your definition of the masses needs a revision Daniel. Either that or your understanding is that Nintendo console owners aren’t an active part of “the masses”. lol

            All you have to do is look at the amount people invest in those franchises and the amount of lifetime sales each title garners to see that they each hold mass appeal with the “masses”…

          • Rinslowe

            “Or in many cases, people hate losing an argument and keep at it.”

            Let me correct you there. That is not the case in this discussion. And assumes only your opinion on the matter as in line with the other view. Which is perfectly ok with me.
            If two people are debating each view point, for the most part amicably. Why would you feel the need to apply a falsehood that one is more stubborn than the other? Or implying that the only reason for continued debating is for the purpose of not losing an argument. Of which you would be incorrect in this discussion. Which I can only speak for myself.

            I believe it’s simply another way for you to express your passive aggressive attitude towards myself as a poster on this site. And it certainly looks very much like exactly that more and more..

          • Big_Dean

            me o’ my. finished reading this long thread. interesting, must be a friend of yours or something ’cause your conclusions is lacking. only friendship or self satisfaction could equate what u concluded. u clearly seem to have the need to support a person that frequently cursed and was insulting, to a person who even apologized when clarification of the debate was observed. To say its because people hate losing an argument is salt in the wounds that respectfully never needed to be made in the first place. if this is done to back a friend or spiteful self satisfaction, either way is distasteful and lowers the enjoyment of gaming which this site represents.

          • Rinslowe

            Hmmm… That seems a fair observation. Although passers by may conclude on account of your “account” being obviously very new, that you are either Harkeness attempting to play devils advocate. Or Daniel Gonzalez or Myself…
            Very odd indeed.
            :)
            But thanks all the same for your input to the discussion.

          • Rinslowe

            While I can truly appreciate your having the same or similar view as another poster. There is no need to use it as a vehicle for your ongoing passive aggressive opinions, towards my own comments. In short if you have something to say in that area, feel free to say it directly. Implying that someone is being simply “stubborn” due to having a differing perspective is something I have come to expect from your commenting.

            In terms of staying within context and your comment that both CoD and Battlefield are no brainers. I’ll leave you with the same thing I left the other cheery fellow.

            “In context, Mass Appeal is the non direct approach to marketing which aims at reaching the broadest possible appeal of that product to its user base. This is aptly defined in “practice” by the established following of “said” product.

            And in no way makes your opinion factual, that COD or Battlefield commands more appeal than “Splatoon” towards “Splatoon’s” – target market. Or the successful adoption of that product by it’s “target audience”.

            Neither does that imply your assumption that the “military shooter” by definition holds – mass appeal. As not all “military shooters” hold a user base with an established following. Such a product with no established following or user base of note, would then find the practicality of Mass Appeal an ineffective tool.”

            In light of that definition, how would you then explain how either CoD or Battlefield determines the “mass appeal” of Splatoon?

          • harkeness

            Let me put it another way, do you think that splatoon sparks interest in the vast majority of call of duty, battlefield, or even team fortress 2 players?

          • Rinslowe

            Let me put it back to you like this. The gaming medium is a growing market. Mass appeal in practice is really just the established following of those franchises. Not all people that invest in COD are invested in Battlefield and vice versa. That fact adds another layer to the topic that would change the outcome of your opinion about the “military shooter” in general. Of course that is assumption as very few of the military shooters have gone on to reach the same level of following as COD or Battlefield….

          • harkeness

            Mass appeal has nothing to do with a following or anything like that, it just has to do with what “the masses” find interest in. Violence and sex are two things that interest the masses.

          • Rinslowe

            Masses are by definition a “mass of people”. It is quantifiable by the size of the “following”. It’s not an abstract term. In that respect both Smash, Kart and Mario have mass appeal.

          • harkeness

            Actually “masses” is an abstract term. It doesn’t refer to a specific person or group of people, it applies to all people in general.

          • Rinslowe

            Noted your opinion on the matter. And how does mass appeal in it’s abstract term as you understand it apply to Splatoon or Destiny?

          • harkeness

            It’s not an opinion goddammit. It’s generally accepted terminology. Splatoon doesn’t have mass appeal because it appears kind of juvenile and silly while Destiny does have mass appeal because of the setting, the style, guns, shooting, rpg-lite mechanics like call of duty or borderlands, etc.

          • Rinslowe

            Yes, I’m sorry but it really is…

          • harkeness

            No it’s not. Good god. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Appeal_%28disambiguation%29

            “The power of arousing a sympathetic response from the masses”

            https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090131204714AA7L1ie

          • Rinslowe

            In context it is the non direct approach to marketing which aims at reaching the broadest possible appeal of that product. This is aptly defined in “practice” by the established following of “said” product.
            And in no way makes your opinion that COD or Battlefield (outside of hindsight) commands more appeal than Splatoon towards it’s target market. Neither does that imply your assumption that the “military shooter” by definition holds “mass appeal”

        • Fierce-Deity Link

          http://nintendoeverything.com/platinums-original-nintendo-all-stars-idea-for-the-wonderful-101-was-considered-for-wii/

          this is where hideki says the original idea was to use nintendo characters.. of course not all new ips sell bad… i never said that all.. it was a general statement.. fact is that nintendo fans and a lot of people that buy the console get it solely for nintendo games.. it’s become more evident as of now.. for example.. smash bros wasn’t originally gonna have nintendo characters… they used them and it turned into one of the biggest franchises… of course i want new ips.. but from their perspective it isn’t hard to see why whacky games should include mario characters.. i mean.. tbh, it would be pretty cool to have mario, peach, bowser, duking it out and having special powers.. but i am more happy they didn’t do it… i agree that nintendo needs to take more risks.. but seeing as how the top dogs have this conservative perspective i don’t see nintendo changing soon … nintendo needs a reform..

      • greengecko007

        The Wonderful 101 was also advertised quite poorly. Let’s hope Nintendo has learned something with this game.

        • Rinslowe

          Yeah. I have that understanding as well. Had Nintendo released the Wii U later. With the delayed titles in hand they could have provided a clear message as to what the Wii U was and what it offered. Their OS would have been ready also, which was a sore point in the initial months as well.
          Having those games, a clear message and active marketing. the Wii U and those titles would have fared better than what they did manage.
          Even up until DKC TF their marketing and advertising of their games, the console and bundles etc… was sub par.
          Until Kart which was played surprisingly well.
          Hopefully as you say. Nintendo has woken up to their shortcomings in that department and get behind all potential exclusives and system sellers from here on out.
          Something tells me though that it’ll need to be seen to be believed…
          And I’m in that camp as well…
          :)

          • Jonathan Robitaille

            Agreed. I think Kart and E3 prove to me that they are on the right track. Amiibo being a hit, a price drop, Smash, Zelda, Star Fox, and other new announcements just might right the ship. I don’t know though. They really need a string of successes that will change the minds of skeptics and get 3rd parties more willing to put actual quality on it.

        • Jonathan Robitaille

          I’m not sure that is entirely true. TW101 had its own Nintendo Direct and they put up a demo for it and I saw ads on various gaming websites. The install base at the time was very low as this was pre Wind Waker HD which moved units, SM3DW, and the Holiday season. I’m not sure they could have done more.

          Personally, I bought it and was surprised how long the intro was and how it seemed pretty difficult and inaccessible for kids. So this is a game that is much too hard for kids (the main audience of Nintendo imo), not a known franchise with a fanbase, and dropped around some big games (GTA 5 for instance). I didn’t give it more than 1/2 hour worth of playing before i knew this was the type of game I’d have to seriously invest a lot of time into. At that time, I didn’t want that type of game so I sold it. I do plan on getting it again as it deserves to be played.

          This game will either be very popular or a complete dud. People may view this as a PVP like WOW or Unreal Tournament where teams and guilds are established. I am not sure that is where this is going but if it proves to be a really challenging rewarding experience that gets people forming teams with everyone bringing a different skill set or playing style to compliment their teammates, this could really take off. We don’t know the details but I am hoping it is being developed with that in mind.

          I hope they are thinking about local, regional, worldwide leaderboards and such. Nintendo desperately needs a game like that.

          On the flip side, if they only make it on par with say..Plants vs. Zombies Garden Warfare…then it will be very niche and won’t bring too much attention to the Wii U. This game needs to be so good that DLC, sequels, characters making it onto Smash (DLC) and other games and in essence becomes a recognizable game/IP.

          It has so much promise so I hope you are right that they should have learned something from their earlier endeavors

          • greengecko007

            The Wonderful 101 absolutely is a niche game, I’ve been saying that since before it was released, but it easily could have, and should have, done better. Even for a niche game and a new IP, The Wonderful 101 only managed about 20,000 copies, if you want to go by vgchartz.

            “This game will either be very popular or a complete dud.”

            And a lot of that depends on whether or not Nintendo brings a quality game. It may seem odd to question that, but Nintendo isn’t going to keep receiving free passes on things like missing standard online features in their games. If they go all out like you say, and even bring DLC, then they could at least have a cult hit that potentially grows into a bigger franchise in the future.

  • X3Charlie

    Hopefully they add wii mote controls. I don’t like shooters using traditional controls

  • Dying_in_this_Crap_World

    We realized squids were definitely the only thing we could go with due to polygon count restrictions.

  • Tigueron

    They can add Miis in this too, I think it would work well with this art style.

  • brian

    I’m not at all interested in this game. I want to shoot enemies, not the ground.

    • C4

      I do hope there’s a deathmatch or other game modes with different objectives.

      • harkeness

        There will be I believe, most likely your standard shooter multiplayer modes at the very least.

      • Petri

        Capture the flag would be awesome with this concept.

    • Cyntheta Luis

      You can shoot enemies and the ground. You can stil kill other players in this game.

  • C4

    Should have been Luigi with a machine gun. Or maybe not :D

  • Earthworm Jim

    I’m just going to finally get this idea out of my head and up in the air where it belongs…

    Bubble Bobble = First Person Shooter!!!!

    Nintendo should buy the IP and make it happen.

  • companyoflosers

    plus you know, theres appeasing the people who complain about nintendo never making new ip. fun fact, pikmin originally stemmed from a concept for a game where you control a ton of marios. if pleasing that demographic means simply turning nintendo characters into something else, nintendo could easily double their ip list in no time flat. maybe then theyll shut up.

  • Keith D. Witherspoon

    Technically they could have made this another Mario game since Mario has a squids and then you have F.L.U.D.D, so they could have easily made a new Mario Sunshine with with Ink and have the very first ever 3D Mario online Multiplayer that’s a shooter. Granted they would never do that, but they could have easily made this another Mario game. I mean remember when Miyamoto said that he wanted to make a shooter? That could have been it.

    Glad they didn’t do it. We need new characters and franchises from them.

  • Arthur Jarret

    They had the perfect characters! Bloopers! They’ve been multi-colored since Mario Sunshine (the blooper surfing challenge in Ricco harbor).

    That said, I’m glad they are adding more characters to their IP… it will only mean a bigger Smash Bros roster next gen!)

  • Allvalve

    I’m pleased to see Nintendo stuck to their guns and made this an original IP.
    Yes, they could have made it work with exiting characters, but then it would have opened up the grumbling about “another Mario game”.
    Being original gives the game at least a chance to bring in some gamers who are not the traditional Nintendo fan, although with the art style I think its unlikely. That’s a shame, because it looks like it could be the perfect antidote to those complaining about no battle mode arena’s in MK8.
    On that note, expect a Mario Kart 8 “battle edition” using the same engine and mechanics.
    This will be a great way for Nintendo to get another big seller out of the door quickly, and would probably help shift a fair ammount of hardware.
    And then a Mario Kart Wii U bundle for Christmas with MK8 and Battle Edition, along with a £50 price cut.

  • PrincessKairi

    And so they settled with The Hamburglar’s children

  • Flintinator

    They could add a Blooper disguised as Mario to the game