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Philips wins lawsuit against Nintendo in the UK

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Back in May, Dutch electronics company Philips announced that it was suing Nintendo for patent infringement. The company filed lawsuits against Nintendo in four jurisdictions, including the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, and France.

Today, Philips announced that it won the lawsuit filed against Nintendo for patent infringement related to motion tracking in the Wii console in the UK. The results for the suit in three other locations is still pending, but it seems like Nintendo may have to fork over some cash for this one if an appeal isn’t granted. Either way, Nintendo has been in hot water for patent lawsuits and trolls before and managed to come out just fine.

Just this past week, a district court in Texas declared that a patent suit filed against Nintendo was invalid because the concept of the patent was too vague to enforce.

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  • daniel is gay

    it took 8 years?

    • Phillip Fauble

      That’s the part I have the most trouble with. 8 years after release they just realized this? Seems to me like they just need some quick cash.

      • J_Joestar

        obviously they needed to wait until adoption they felt adoption was at a high enough rate for the lawsuit to pay off.

  • Mayoo

    Oh come on. Philips isn’t even in this industry and they do NOTHING with that patent. This is just plain patent troll.

    Judges are so stupid. We need more tech-aware judges OR to modify the law.

    • jjbredesen

      It is stupid, and Phillips has not even used the technology in the patent for anything at all!

      But what i am wondering is what does this mean for Wii U? Will Wiimotes get banned?

      • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

        If Philips manages to win and the appeals are all denied, then yes, Philips can ask for a injunction on all patent-infringing tech. They’ve refused to detail exactly what the patent they hold relates to in the Wii, so the worse thing it could do is ban the Wii-remote.

        Since the Wii-remote isn’t the primary means of communication with the Wii U, I’m not sure if it would fall under that injunction. I’m not a lawyer.

        • darkcreap

          Well, I guess that if they won is because they told the judge which patent was being violated. Nevertheless, banning the Wii remote would be stupid. If they are intelligent, what they will do is let Nintendo sell it and they will get some money from it.

          All things said, I think they are patent trolling. Never heard about Phillips commercialising anything related to movement tracking. The patent system, as defined right now, is rotten to the very root.

          • JB

            I think the issue with them is that Phillips said they developed the technology for license and Nintendo used the tech without that license do even if they never used the tech in their own products they technically still had the right to go after them if my understanding of the situation is correct. It probably would’ve been less of an issue if the Wii happened to flop.

        • Mayoo

          Well personally, I never use a wiimote since I bought the Wii U. Maybe because I play real games.

          • darkcreap

            Well, I use Wiimotes for party games and Call of Duty. I simply can’t get used to a shooter with a traditional console pad. All the shooters I played I did on PC, so for me the Wiimote is the best way to control shooters. Also, before they updated Pikmin 3 to be played with the touchscreen the Wiimote was the best way for me to control it compared with the double joystick way.

          • phaedruss

            AHAHAHAAHAHAHA, that’s fucking stupid. Metroid Prime Trilogy aren’t real games??

          • Mayoo

            They don’t require the gimmick in wiimotes. I was more thinking of all these cooking mamma stuff.

          • zoohero

            Those kind games ant even on the wii u. So what ”reel” games a u referring to. ?

          • Blaster Master

            stupid coment, what real games? fps?

          • Mayoo

            “real games” = not cooking mamma (or nothing that tries to justify a reason to use sensors)

        • JB

          Though don’t they want compensation for all the Wii Remotes that sold? But yea, banning the Wii Remote at this point is a non issue literally everyone and their mom has a few laying around.

          • Dark Lord Sauron

            im not going to fork over my wii mote without a fight and hope nintendo appeals

          • ben

            They can only get money in the countries that recognize the patent. So not in Japan.

        • jjbredesen

          …well lets hope that Phillips is smart and does like the guys that one the 3DS case and just make a % of the sales income.

        • companyoflosers

          They dont gain anything from filing an injunction. The point of this is they want money. If they win, nintendo owes phillips alot of money PLUS money for every wii remote nintendo sells in the future. If phillips is just cashing in then they wont file an injunction. But like u said, the wii u isnt the main way of controlling games so it isnt in any danger itself. Nintendo may avoid or cease making motion control games in the future to keep from paying money for each future wii remote sold which in my opinion is a good thing. The motion controls were getting old and nintendo needs to move on.

        • Stephen Dorn

          Oh, come on! I read those patents TWICE! The closest thing in their patent to the wii remote is motion tracking, but the technology isn’t even CLOSE to being the same! The Phillips tech uses a camera and mic to find the position of the player, and all that the wiimotes use is a pair of IR emitters and a line of receivers! On top of that, the entire patent uses words like “would” and “could”, meaning that when they made that patent they really had no plans to pursue those patents.
          I’d go in to be a lawyer for Nintendo, but I’m afraid that I’d be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of stupid on phillip’s side.

          Also, didn’t Phillips have their partnership with Nintendo cancelled before that? That’s the closest thing to a case I think that they’d have.

          • Rinslowe

            Yep this is true. I don’t think the UK ruling was based on factual data. But now that the verdict has arrived. To say as such would be to make ourselves look like conspiracy theorists.
            So it’s a small loss for Nintendo. However corrupt it may be. They have to keep moving forward. And the average gamer, has to just suck it up…

        • T J

          Imagine the hate that Phillips would get if they filed an injunction. They’d have an international army of internet trolls on their hides from now until the day Phillips goes bankrupt/gets bought out.

          • Dark Lord Sauron

            trust me we should just troll phillips with lots of hate against them

        • ben

          There would be no benefit for Philips to do that. They simply want a cash payment.

        • john johsnon

          Hi Ashley. I’m sorry that I’m borderline spamming you, but I really want the WaveDash to happen. So could you do another article about it? Armada, and M2K are backing it, which is a big deal.

      • Denvy

        Nintendo would likely make a $ deal before taking products off the market.

      • mkart8

        Then wouldn’t the PlayStation eye/wands infringe the patent?

        • jjbredesen

          Nope, that uses different tech, the Wiimotes use infared sensors on the mote, that track two infared lights on the sensor bar, the camera tracks where the big blue ball is, so its not the same thing.

    • matthew garcia

      I said Philips had a case the last time this was posted and the whole forum chewed my ass off and Philips won

      • lonewolf

        If you knew two or three things how a court works youll know that nintendo can submit an appeal and they can start this all over again.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      Hahaha! I bet that you would sing a totally different song if this would be the opposite. Just because you are a Nintendo fanboy you argue that they have the right to steal from others. How ridiculous.

      • LopsidedPasta

        You really need to meet someone and get a life. Get off the internet for a change.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          So… How would you react if someone used Nintendos IPs? Nintendos patents? Hypocrite!

          • alko

            magnus really get a life…
            his words are clear and here all understand clearly the concept..are you a ignorant fanboy??

            really get a life man..get a job..get a girl…
            do not act like a ignorant…

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Got a job, got an education, got two children and have a beautiful wife. But im on a mission from the lord himself to expose hipocrites on the net. And this is one of the worst page on the web who the lord is most concerned about.

            So fallen one… Ask yourself how you would react if someone stole from Nintendo like they steal from others. Both you and I know you would keep on defending them, like you now attack those who have been stolen from. Are you not ashamed of yourself for this low degree of integrity? Dont you see how this destroy your soul and makes you to a bad person? You should ask for forgiveness for your behaviour.

          • Rinslowe

            ” But im on a mission from the lord himself to expose hipocrites on the net.”
            Pitchfork in my left hand bible in my right. A perpetually confused look of confusion and a mono brow.
            “Can I get an AMEN brother!”
            Lol :P

            *Just kid’n around.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Lol, sure you can :D

          • TheRealTruthTeller

            lol, your wife and kids would be SO proud, bet your girl is getting fucked by another man, dunno cuz she looks like a fat slob

          • Sonic

            So basically what your saying is that your a moron.

          • alko

            “Got a job, got an education, got two children and have a beautiful wife.”—–So clearly the problem is that you are simply a stupid person…
            now you can stop to act like a stupid and a ignorant.

          • LopsidedPasta

            Lol, a bit salty there huh? I never even mentioned IPs. Nice try though. My point still stands: Make a friend instead of being an outcast online.

      • Thomas Vienna

        So you’re saying that we would back Nintendo if they sued for technology they weren’t using? The thing is, Nintendo doesn’t do that.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          LOL. They do it all the time. They even attack ordinary people that make YouTube videos. Hypocrite!

          • Thomas Vienna

            1. That is Intellectual property that Nintendo is actively using.
            2. I don’t support that decision by Nintendo.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            You said they dont do that. I say they do -all the time.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Caught in a lie in other words. Lol. Well played, Magnus.

          • alko

            looser

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            loser*

          • alko

            looooserrrrrrrr!!!!!
            really get a life…do not act like a looseer!!!

          • Thomas Vienna

            I said they wouldn’t sue for technology they’re not using. Nintendo’s IP is not technology, and last time I checked, they’re using it pretty frequently.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Of course they are. They have stolen a lot in the past, and will continue to do so in the future.

          • Sonic

            Every company do that and will continue to do so Magnus because no company is inoccent but it’s pretty much whoever is more successful and whoever release it first.

          • Stephen Dorn

            I find it hilarious that everyone’s going on about phillips not using the patent, when if you look into the patent its not even related to the wii remote’s patents at all. When dealing with patent trolls you need to look into every aspect to find what the troll is in the patent.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Nothing new around here.

          • jjbredesen

            Yup i agree, they are not patent trolls, but they do things that hurt us consumers all the time, such as the youtube stuff, region locking etc. and there horrible polices!

            They make fantastic games, and decent hardware, but they are far from perfect when it comes to taking care of the consumer etc.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        What did you expect from fanboys? They’re usually on their high horse. Lol.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Worst thing is that they do not have any integrity. Wonders how they can look themselves in the mirror. Should be ashamed of themselves :)

        • Officer Raichu

          there not fanboys they just are disrespectful :P

      • zoohero

        Hmm… im just thinking loud here. Isn’t Sony ond Microsoft using the same technology jn ther consol’s.. They all have some sort of motion detection system.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          I dont care about Microsoft as I never had a console from them. I didnt own a Sony since early PS2 days either (well I have a PS3 now, but bought it quite recently). I play on Nintendo, but im getting tired from looking at people who defends their bullshit just because its Nintendo.

          • Rinslowe

            It’s tiring seeing the zealots and the haters relishing in delight at each others perceived misfortunes…
            But, that’s the internet for ya.

            My PS3 probably gets a play session at least once a week, got a pretty big catalogue of titles…
            Have you picked up a copy of Kart yet? Or do you have any interest in it?

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Yes, I have Kart. But I just got to start play it quite recently as I just had to defend my thesis.

          • Rinslowe

            Lets go a few rounds next week…
            Maybe the Wii U Daily tourney on Wed or Thu if they’re still going…

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Good plan :)

      • Rinslowe

        Magnus. Just because the court has ruled in Phillips favour this time. Does not automatically imply justice has been served…
        Looking at the patent – and just for the record I’m no expert – it does look more like the specifics more closely linked to how the kinect is working. There are a few other vague similarities in there to the Wii Mote. But enough to rule in their favour?
        I think people are well within their right to question this one.
        Ultimately though, we may all need to just suck it up. Because popular perception or even the truth in many cases. Won’t change the verdict…

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Doesnt matter. Im just attacking hipocritical sentiments here. You know that the sound of this would be different if it was the opposite. Also a quick look at Nintendos history reveals a very long chain of acts like this, where they steal from others.

          • Rinslowe

            They have? I’m honestly quite a bit ignorant to that fact. Although I’ve been gaming on their systems since the NES.
            Stealing is a pretty loaded word to use. What are some notable examples?

            And yeah, I can sympathise with that idea. If Nintendo had squashed the law suit. Many people would be verbal about it. But in this case, I don’t believe Nintendo are guilty of infringement. So it’s a crap deal they’re getting…

          • Magnus Eriksson

            It might be, it might not be. I can se why its judged in this direction. Anyway, the 3DS tech was stolen too. And there is no doubt that N. stole this from the inventor. They had worked with him, but cut him off and tried to manufactor his invention without him – or rather without paying him. Those acts are some of the worst, and Nintendo do that all the time. They try to fuck over the little man. Today some asks why N. doesnt get third party support, but this is not very strange. Take a look at their policies back in the NES era, where they dominated the industry. Even if the fans doesnt remember this, the third parties does. From their point of view its better if N. doesnt succeed.

          • Rinslowe

            Hmmm…
            I’m certain there is some truth to that.
            It’s a real shame that Nintendo is also susceptible to such behaviour if true. Especially seeing as though their games developers and in-house studios are no doubt oblivious to these parts of the business. for the most part anyway.
            I agree, they were dominating the industry back then and imposing the law on third party policies. It was a pretty F’d up market they went into at that time though… But yeah. That’s all in history now.
            So many factors. Now their biggest issues are their own titles on their own platforms and how that impacts third parties from selling games, imo. More-so than a handful of studios with long memories. And support is at an all time low from both sides. But I’m also fully sympathetic towards the consumer in this matter as the quality of ports overall has been sub par in terms of comparable content and performance. Not to mention late to market and expensive…

          • jjbredesen

            Lets not forget about that they use slavery to get there metal etc. when creating there consoles, they actually are on the bottom of the list when it comes to reporting where they get there stuff from. And i am certain child labor is also involved.

            There is a dark side to Nintendo, and under the love hotel period the japanese mafia where involved. They could still have a stake in the company.

            A lot of negative sides that most people ignore. They do make great stuff, but its not all rainbows.

          • Rinslowe

            Actually JJ as a person who has been living in China. I can tell you now, that Nintendo most likely had no idea what was going on in the factory here. I’ve worked closely with local factories for some time. On large commercial equipment right down to small plastic molded products. They can and will show you what they want you to see. They will give you what you want in writing. If they deem it workable. But how they get there. Man, sometimes what you end up finding out is not what you want to hear…
            I don’t think the factories would have had any child labour present, out in the open during the pre-qualification process. And there’s no guarantees they even manufactured in the approved premises.
            None of these things Nintendo would have spoken on in any depth as it makes them look even worse…

          • jjbredesen

            True, i have not been in China or been to many factories so i can’t express my opinion on it, but i am sure than it is just as bad as you say.

          • Sonic

            The 3ds tech came from Sharp not from the ex-sony employee and you do know that some patents are pretty close to each other by concept and that there are other people doing the same kind of research at the same time.

    • Dark Lord Sauron

      i hope nintendo appeals and hope phillips loses their suit in america and other places were the suit is still pending

  • Anatol Weizel

    I’m gonna hate Philips for this! They are such stupid idiots! As if it would be good for Nintendo to pay money to some idiots… Nintendo is doing great, all those lawsuits against Nintendo are just crap. I hope they will get out there with no problems!

  • Shota

    “concept of the patent was too vague to enforce” what does that mean?

    • darkcreap

      Basically, that the patent was so generic that a very wide range of things can apply to it and it is not clear what the real innovation is.

      • Shota

        wow one of my family works at philips HQ in amsterdam…..and then this happens

    • Sol Ridgeway

      Philips probably patented, “Use inferred something to make something move on tv screen.” My question is, Why didn’t they sue PlayStation for the same tech?

      • Shota

        yeah why not psmove too, but at same time wouldn’t nintendo sued sony for using that same tech?

        • lonewolf

          Wii remote has wii sensor bar and psmove has camera to record the movements so its more like sony should sued here not nintendo. They probably even bribed the judges.

          • Shota

            sony should sue or get sued?

          • lonewolf

            Get sued and fixed the sentence.

  • Noah

    The wounds of the CD-I never heal…..

    • Des

      I almost bought one but finally came to my senses before it was too late. I think having bought the TG16 taught me a valuable lesson. But then I forgot that lesson and bought a Dreamcast. Awe, but who cares? I loved those two consoles. CD-I however was just horrid.

      • darkcreap

        The Dreamcast wasn’t a bad system and Sega has never been a patent troll at all. I have always been a Nintendo fan, but Sega has my respect. They didn’t do things well and that’s why they went out of the home console bussiness, but they they competed with honesty and honour.

        • crocodileman94

          SEGA’s headquarter’s in Japan. Of course they compete with honesty and honor.

        • Des

          I owned a Dreamcast before I owned an internet capable PC. So other than gaming, I used it for web browsing. It was also the first console I ever played on-line. Plus, they had a ton of great games. I still have fond memories of the console. Actually, I still own it, as well as every other console going back to the NES. Each in their original boxes.

      • TaintedXGamer

        I refuse to believe the CD-I existed since it Sullied the Zelda Series (Without asking nintendo if they could use/borrow the Zelda IP)

        • Des

          From Wikipedia ~ Link: The Faces of Evil, Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon and Zelda’s Adventure are three action-adventure games produced by Philips for the CD-i as part of Nintendo’s The Legend of Zelda video game series. Not designed for Nintendo platforms, the games owe their existence to negotiations related to Nintendo’s decision not to have Philips create a CD add-on to the Super NES. During these negotiations, Philips secured the rights to use Nintendo characters in their games for the CD-i, and the development of these games was achieved through the hiring of third-party developers….

          But you’re right that they are horrible games. But I think most Zelda fans don’t even count them as part of the series. Like the games never even existed.

  • darkcreap

    Good, I will remember it when I next buy something that could have the Philips brand. What the hell did they care if they were not exploiting the patent?

    • Zerfas85

      Just cancelled shipment of my Philips headphones.

  • Noah

    Sitting to the left of me is my Phillips TV. I am very tempted to throw it out the window to the right of me.

    • Marioman21

      That might be a bad idea.

    • Nathan C.

      DO IT!

    • Daniel Gonzalez

      If you’re going to throw away a TV over this news, that’s silly. Lol. This stuff happens to many companies all the time. That’s the business world.

      • Nothing5555

        Well, i guess it is his form of protest. Now he needs a 100 thousand more people to do the same to make this protest worth it.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Well….that’s 100 thousand people who broke their TV’s for nothing. Lol. I hate some things Sony does, but I sure won’t break my TV over it. I suppose I should run over the mail carrier for misplacing my mail.

      • Dark Lord Sauron

        agree but many of these suits are just for greed

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          It’s part of business. Even Nintendo knows that, and they themselves, are part of that greed. It’s nothing to be pissed about to be honest. It comes with the territory. No one company is perfect.

      • Rinslowe

        I’m almost certain he was being sarcastic. If he really wanted to throw his TV out the window. Would he need a reason? Lol.

  • Denvy

    I guess it’s easy to get mad when a company we like to give our money to gets sued successfully, but let’s be realistic. It actually IS possible they infringed on a patent. Just because we don’t understand the details doesn’t mean it couldn’t be possible in one’s wildest imagination. I’m not sure any of us here are lawyers and even if there were, no one has all the facts of this case. Chances are, it won’t effect any of us. Nintendo will likely pay money than take any of it’s products off the market.

    • Michael DeVore

      No it’s Patent Trolling plain and simple.
      The patent relating to the wii mote is
      http://www.google.com/patents/US8537231

      The patent was publish in 2013 so Nintendo wouldn’t have known
      It was filed in 2009 long after the Wii was on the market
      But it just happens to claim to have “priority” to 2002

      How this happens is that in 2002 Philips had some “idea” that they couldn’t figure out. By 2009, once others figured it out, they modified and updated the patent to look as much like the others as they could so they could later sue over it.

      Patent Trolling 101
      This is why some people would rather that they submit a working prototype rather than claim the abstract idea, which isn’t patentable, and only later finish the abstract once others show you how.

      • Stephen Dorn

        Yahoo! Someone that’s opinionated due to facts and not ignorance! High-five!

      • Anarky

        Essentially Philips didn’t want to to do any work so instead they used patent trolling to get easy money off of someone else’s hard work even though that person made the product before they ever filed a patent. That’s what you’re saying, right?

        • Michael DeVore

          Yep. They abused the Provisional Patent process to patent an abstract idea in 2002, and submit it in 2009 after all the hard work was done.

          I’m fine with the general concept of a patent, but the process has become utterly abused. Who ever thought ” filing without a formal patent claim, oath or declaration, or any information disclosure (prior art) statement” was a good idea needs to be sentenced to an undisclosed location.

          • Anarky

            That is just…wow.

    • Placido Michael Cortorreal Flo

      Im no lawyer man, and I do understand the patent stuff quite clearly, but what I do not understand very well is this.
      Did Nintendo went to Philips to use that kinda tech?
      If they didn’t, and Nintendo made their own (similar, equal, etc) technology, how can you demand me for figuring out the same things you did? I am not sure if i making myself clear.
      But its not the same to use something you made (without your autorazation) than me making the same stuff you did and use it.

    • Turing

      Patent systems around the world are a mess. Obvious patents are awarded when they should not be, patents are awarded for “processes” that can be applied to almost anything, patents are backdated so the person making the new product could never have known about them in the first place, technology patents last FAR too long, and courts are entirely too complacent in applying vague patents to truly new inventions. The biggest problem is that the true innovators are getting the shaft, which is exactly what the patent system is supposed to prevent. The patent’s purpose is to foster and reward innovation, not to enrich lawyers.

  • Officer Raichu

    wait a minute didnt it say earlier that if they won they want the wii u and wii banned?!

    • Stephen Dorn

      Yes, they want the wii u banned, but only in the United States.

      • TaintedXGamer

        they Gonna have a Bloody Fight With the Wii U owners that Not Gonna Let go of their WII Us. I don’t think it worth it, stupid idiots.

      • Officer Raichu

        thatll be anarchy on the internet if that happens

  • Officer Raichu

    if you wondering if Philips needs cash (info from wiki):

    In January 2011 Philips agreed to acquire the assets of Preethi, a leading India-based kitchen appliances company.

    Due to the fact that net profit slumped 85 percent in Q3 2011, Philips announced a cut of 4,500 jobs to match part of an €800 million ($1.1 billion) cost-cutting scheme to boost profits and meet its financial target.[20]

    In March 2012 Philips announced its intention to sell, or demerge its television manufacturing operations to TPV Technology. [21]

    In 2011, the company posted a loss of €1.3 billion, but earned a net profit in Q1 and Q2 2012, however the management wanted €1.1 billion cost-cutting which was an increase from €800 million and may cut another 2,200 jobs until end of 2014.[22]

    On 5 December 2012, the antitrust regulators of the European Union fined Philips and several other major companies for fixing prices of TV cathode-ray tubes in two cartels lasting nearly a decade.[23]

    On 29 January 2013, it was announced that Philips had agreed to sell its audio and video operations to the Japan-based Funai Electric for €150 million, with the audio business planned to transfer to Funai in the latter half of 2013, and the video business in 2017.[24][25] As part of the transaction, Funai paid a regular licensing fee to Philips for the use of the Philips brand.[24] The purchase agreement was terminated by Philips in October because of breach of contract.[26]

    In April 2013, Philips announced a collaboration with Paradox Engineering for the realization and implementation of a “pilot project” on network-connected street-lighting management solutions. This project was endorsed by the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission (SFPUC).[27]

    In 2013, Philips omitted the word “Electronics” from its name, which is now Royal Philips N.V.[28]

    On November 13, 2013 Philips unveiled its new brand line “Innovation and You” and a new design of its shield mark. The new brand positioning is cited by Philips to signify company’s evolution and emphasize that innovation is only meaningful if it is based on an understanding of people’s needs and desires.[29]

    On April 28, 2014 Philips agreed to sell their Woox Innovations subsidiary (consumer electronics) to Gibson Brands for $US135 million.

    they need cash :P

  • Adrian

    How a generic hardware configuration of remote acting as an on-screen mouse gets patented is beyond me.

    • Stephen Dorn

      AND it wasn’t even filed until 2009

      • Anarky

        While the Wii was released in 2006 which begs the question: How the fuck did they win this case!?

  • Adrian

    Also, didn’t they lose this case in the US? Won’t this only affect the UK?

    • TaintedXGamer

      If this Affects the UK, I’m Going to fight the bloody bastards, if they knock on my door demanding my wii u, Phillips can go F*** themselves.

  • phaedruss

    They actually won for this ridiculous lawsuit? Have you guys seen what the supposed infringement is? It’s absurd, freaking UK.

  • FutureFox

    Patent law is such a colossal joke.

  • born2bake

    Wtf thats like saying sony and xbox should also get sued as they saw what nintendo had done and copied the uses of motion on there systems Philips probably did it just to keep there company from going under as I dont know anyone with any philips product do u ? So I think this is crap f you philips I wont even piss on u if ur on fire go to hell u f en dogs

  • SuperUltramagnus

    if the wii motes gets banned then nintendo has to focus on the WII pad and make it cheap and duel action! perfect timing!!!!! hope we get Wiipad out soon then ! I’m glad they filled the patent so we can get a duel action duel pads then!

    • phaedruss

      They won’t get banned, they just have to pay a fine or might have to.

  • shadus

    Doesn’t Wii mote work completely backwards of the original Phillips patent? If I remember correctly Phillips device had a camera that looked for the device in the user hand where as the wii mote looks for the two infrared signatures of the sensor bar.

    • Stephen Dorn

      Not to mention that the patent was filed after the wii patents, in 2009, and Phillips just barely got it published with so-called “priority” to 2002 because someone there thought back then: “wouldn’t it be cool if we had motion controls? I bet that could make up for our failure with the CD-I”

  • tom

    Wow it seems nintendo has had tons of lawsuits on this motion control concept the past year. As of philips i has no idea they was still in business until now.

  • Ven

    ive never been so ashamed of my country and it’s courts. Fuck phillips.

  • Capt. Smoker

    This is ridiculous as it’s basically Nintendo being taken to court over the idea of motion control, Philips have gone down hill, I hope they fuck off from the market for good after this, greedy bastards, it’s like Philips taking me to court for wiping my ass before whoever’s in charge of Philips did, because they had an idea of wiping their ass before I did, I’ve never seen a Philips tv set use motion control, or any of there products nothing hinted at it either, saying that, there tvs were “premium” so always cost too much.

  • http://myanimelist.net/profile/flclfool flclfool

    Ahh, I see I’ll be boycotting Philips products ^_^

  • Brandon Olson

    Fuck Phillips.

  • 47 Cents

    Philips uses the patent technology to sell to other companies. This is part of Philips bread abnd butter. It’s not like Apple patenting round corners on a rectangle..

  • Placido Michael Cortorreal Flo

    Wait…WHAT!? another industry sued Nintendo over motion control patents!?
    What the hell!? Why doesnt that other company sue Philips now over patents then XD
    Man this is already getting on a ridiculous level.

    Edit: o no wait…it was over a patent, but does not clarify which one, sorry…
    But still, it seems everyone goes against Nintendo XD wonder why that doesnt happen to Sony or Microsoft.

  • cory mccallister

    wait wait how does that even work i always thought that after so many years on a patent then thee technology/patent itself is up for grabs by anyone that plasn to actually use the technology

  • Turing

    Yet another patent that should never have been awarded in the first place. And this finding is shakier than usual, because the patent involves a camera, which the Wii does not have.

    This foolishness simply transfers money from businesses and consumers to lawyers, which is of zero economic benefit. We’re at the point where we might be better off if the patent systems were scrapped entirely, or at least severely limited to a handful of industries.

  • Stephen Dorn

    UPDATE:
    I decided to research the patent that Phillips is saying the wii remote infringed upon and will compare the patent to the Wiimote below:

    PATENT:
    -Uses a camera to capture pictures that would be compared using an external processor in order to detect movement
    -Said camera would be mounted on the controller, making it impractical to be used to detect motion in anything other than itself, thus making it something akin to a digital accelerometer that doesn’t work well in the dark and is distracted by anything that moves around it.
    -The patent in question was filed in fourth quarter 2009 but not approved until 2013, with a “priority” of 2002.

    WIIMOTE:
    -Uses a pair of IR emitters (2nd only in the MotionPlus) and a line of receivers (sensor bar) to calculate the position of the wii remote in three-dimensional space
    -Actual motion detection is in-game, comparing positions of the wii remote sensors to calculate the closest path and run the closest action, or is detected using a pair of accelerometers. (one in the wiimote and one in the nunchuk)
    -Original patent for final design was filed in 2005, but for reasons unknown to me wasn’t approved until 2008

    As far as I can see, Phillips’ best case would be the “priority”, but the final patent was modified to take into account the advances made by Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony. The patent sounds more like one for an idea for a non-mechanical accelerometer the more I read it, but it also sounds like ideas put out by a seven-year-old, or perhaps a joke idea given from a lazy engineer to his boss to get out of doing actual work. I can’t wait to find out what obscure occurrence caused phillips to actually win with its case in the UK.

    • Anarky

      In other words, this case is utter BS.

      • TaintedXGamer

        “thus making it something akin to a digital accelerometer that doesn’t work well in the dark and is distracted by anything that moves around it.” …………… I just played Skyward sword earlier, late at night in Complete Darkness except the lights my HD TV, from my wii u console and the Wii motion plus (I haven’t got a wiimote+ yet). I call BS. :D

  • joywaggle

    A rather obvious patent infringement is the Wii U Gamepad, That has already been done before and no doubt patented.

    Nintendo would be best to just discontinue the whole Wii brand to be honest with you, it is just holding them back and holding customers back like myself from buying their consoles. Many people are disillusioned with the brand because of the 95% shovelware on the Wii and the poor motion control in retrospec.

  • Gameonfool

    What a big pile of bullshit, Phillips you are a bunch of LOOOSERS

  • MetroidZero

    Hey, Phillips,

    .l. (^_^) .l.

  • Roaming Pear

    Never going to buy anything Philips again.

  • pacheco90

    So first they ruin the best IPs from Nintendo (CDI) and now this…

  • Dying_in_this_Crap_World

    Nintendo stealing so many ideas.

    • Anarky

      Philips filed the patent in 2009. The Wii was released in 2006. How did Nintendo steal the idea exactly?

      • 00EpicGamer00

        I think he’s being sarcastic, but I’m not 100% sure. If you read his comment in a “sarcastic” tone, it makes more sense.

  • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

    When a company falls to the point of being irrelevant they will go to extremes to be noticed again. That is all Phillips is doing.

  • Anarky

    Wait, but the Wii was released in 2006 so why the fuck would they sue nintendo years down the line!? Plus that patent is so vague you could apply it to Sony and Microsoft too.

  • eb

    Phillips are douchebags. They just want credit. And also *cough* *cough* CD-I *cough*

  • Frosti

    But…will they go after sony for the ps move? It is almost like a wiimote, with the motion sensor object. Dont think they can get kinect since with kinect the person is essentially the remote…

    • Jeff Jackson

      Yep that’s right I don’t get it why

  • Dark Lord Sauron

    wats next microsoft and sony for using the same thing and yes sony move controller could be the next target patent trolls suck -_-

  • Son Dinh

    Man I love some of the Nintendo franchises but Nintendo should’ve just gotten the dang licenses for this stuff when Philips warned them years ago. Can’t get away with patent infringement forever man. Same thing happened with the 3DS stealing 3D tech from that guy used to work at Sony.

  • Rinslowe

    This is in fact pretty crazy. The patent was excessively vague itself. And nothing like a Wii mote. They have been trying to get the Wii U console and the gamepad. I guess they will now push forward to see how far they can get.
    Never ceases to amaze me. Corruption….

  • Christian Schoff

    That judge needs to be looked at closely. This reeks of bribery.

  • ben

    Nintendo will probably either make an out of court agreement, or sue Philips back. THese big companies they sue the crap out of each other all the time, we only know about this one because it is the game industry.

  • zoohero

    If its motion traking they a suing for then they need to look at Playstation and xbox too. If u reed the patent then i belive that the kinekt and move is closer to the patent then the wiimote.

  • Zonark

    Not gonna lie Philips is running on the low side of funding and is on the brink of bankruptcy so I wouldn’t be surprised if they just play on the success of nintendo. Pretty sure they and going under within the next five years. They are a$&/”!&@ anyways…

    • Capt. Smoker

      It’s their own fault for being in that position, they overcharge for everything, and the one area people trusted them in, they fucked up and overcharged on that too, after all the problems I had with their ambilight tv sets, I completely gave up on them, that was a good grand or so down the drain, if they go under then good riddance, this Nintendo patent will be one of many shitty things to remember them by, companies these days are a disgrace *throws Philips earphones out the window*

    • Zanzama

      Time to boycott their products. That might speed up the process…

  • janco tianno

    The bad thing about those patent trolls is that most of them are aware that they were not creating anything new, but a patent institute says “your generic idea is approved, congratulations”.
    Suddenly we have a “new invention” that can be 50 different products, and the “inventor” doesn’t have a single “product” to demonstrate the invention…
    Then a company works very hard to do something that specifically has nothing to do with the patent, but well, somehow it remembers the same idea of the patent.
    Then the company that invested millions of dollars to develop a real product has to deal with lawsuits.

    Some patents are approved with design documents that mention something that will be available only in the future. Of course only big companies have this kind of patent approved.

    I still think that Apple x Samsung is the best case of patent trolls….
    Apple is the owner of a ridiculous patent of a Smartphone with rectangular shape and rounded corners….

  • Logan Waltz

    UK basically allows anybody to sue anybody over hurt feelings and rip off companies after making shitty choices. The anti-capitalist consumer protection laws over there piss me off. I read the suit. It’s bullshit. That wouldn’t fly in the U.S.

  • andrewjcole

    This reminds me of last year when I bought a Philips TV brand new from Walmart and it wouldn’t even turn on. Currently, I have very little, if not no Philips products because of all their factory errors and such mistakes. I hope that judge wakes up soon.

  • Joseph Oliveira

    What about Sony and Microsoft? They both use motion control too.

    • Shootdatrupee!…

      Hence the stupidity of this entire affair.

  • 00EpicGamer00

    Before I got a fat screen HD TV, I had the good ol’ big box TV. I think the TV I had was a Phillips. If you turned the TV on and left it on “idle” for too long (didn’t do anything for a certain amount of time) it’d start changing colors. One half of the TV would change to pink and the other side would change to green…I have no idea how or why this happened, lol.

  • c-s-a78

    who buys Philips anyway!
    there TVs and other stuff is shit house!
    try and make your own money Philips,not someone Else’s!!!

  • gamingpalooza

    Philips… no one buys their products anymore.

  • matt

    Does this only apply to wii not wiiu ??

  • Jimmy Humphrey

    The scary thing is what kind of nintendo ip games Philips will make in there upcoming video game system the CD-U !

  • ETMew2348

    well what about zelda cdi/hotel mario HMMM

    • Shootdatrupee!…

      They had the licence to make those games. The world would be a better place of they didn’t.

  • HavokPants

    why don’t they sue sony for playstation move?

  • Paul Maddox

    Philips can kiss my ass. They haven’t gone after sony and the took the same idea