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Reggie: Wii U has a “very long life ahead of it”

Reggie retro Wii UThe Wii U is lagging behind the PS4 and Xbox One, and has been struggling on the sales front for over a year. And while recent Wii U hits such as Mario Kart 8 have increased sales of the console, many still aren’t sure just how long a lifespan the console has.

Nintendo’s Reggie Fils-Aime is not one of those people. In a recent interview with Kotaku, Reggie said that the Wii U “has a very long life ahead if it”, and added that there is great content coming to the console that will “help define the platform”. He also denied Nintendo starting over with a new consoles, confirming that they are sticking with the Wii U for the long run.

Reggie mentioned the 3DS, which had a great turnaround with games such as Mario kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land, and he believes that the same will happen to the Wii U eventually. Reggie believes that recently released Mario Kart 8 and the upcoming Hyrule Warriors and Super Smash Bros U will have a big effect on Wii U sales worldwide. Recently, Nintendo’s Scott Moffitt said that “the Wii U is at a turning point” when it comes to system sales.

See also: Reggie discusses how Amiibo could super charge Wii U sales

These games will increase the Wii U install base, which in return will attract more third party developers, according to Reggie. The Wii U has sold 6 million units worldwide as of March 2014. By comparison, the PS4 has sold around 8 million units, and the Xbox One around 4.5 million, according to VGChartz.

Source (Kotaku)

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  • JudgeMethos

    I love my Wii U. All I own on my PS4 is Watch Dogs right now. IF Watch Dogs on Wii U looks good and they use the GamePad in an cool way, then I’ll be a buying

    • vexedpython

      I think we have reached a graphical cap where there is just not enough difference between each console to buy one or the other based on graphics. look at igns comparision of watch dogs on different consoles they just arnt different enough(there different just not enough for me to care at least) that being said ill go with the version that has better controls and more features.

      • harkeness

        There is still a lot to be done in terms of graphics the only problem is that the power required to show a huge difference becomes greater and greater. For example the difference between 10 gigaflops and 100 gigaflops is 10x, while to get the same increase you have to go from 100 to 1000 and then 1000 to 10,000.

        • brandon

          I’m still looking forward to vastly more powerful graphics hardware in the future! Games made exclusively for the ps4 tend to look, in my opinion, far superior to similar ps3 games, and if Sony makes a ps5, my guess would be that its graphics with exclusive games will tend to look far better than ps4’s.

          • harkeness

            Yea for sure. The only issue I have with Sony is that their studios tend to go for the corridor style of games so much. I guess that is the easiest way to make a graphics powerhouse game.

        • Rinslowe

          Graphics has huge potential yet. And what companies are doing at the cutting edge is pretty impressive. In saying that though it’s hard to get too excited for this generation in terms of pushing the envelope. As a PC gamer as well, the ceiling in visual fidelity and overall performance was matched already. It’s easy to see where the ceiling is for all consoles.
          But ultimately the scope and experiences provided on console, especially for exclusive content proves already that there is a lot of untapped potential within that ceiling.
          And thankfully due to platforms like the PS4, in terms of pushing the envelope. The majority of multiplatform games will only get better on PC…

      • brandon

        I think a big reason why the different versions of watch dogs don’t look very different is because I think many developers create graphics that are designed for the widest current audience in order to lower development costs. I believe the graphics in watchdogs were designed primarily for the ps3/xbox360, and just slightly upgraded for the other versions. As I expect the ps3/360 to fade in relevance, I think more developers in the near future will shift to ps4/xbox1 level graphics, and I think differences between ps3 and ps4 versions will become far more dramatic.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          I believe so too.

    • steveb944

      If you don’t mind me asking, why did you buy a PS4? I say this in terms of Watch Dogs guaranteed to come to Wii U already, and you not owning any other software for PS4.

      I plan on buying a PS4 solely for Kingdom Hearts, but I plan on getting it around software release to either get a deal or a bundle. If there’s an incentive to jump in now, let me know.

      • harkeness

        Watch Dogs is hardly guaranteed. Has Ubisoft even announced an actual release date? Even if it does finally come to the Wii U, it’s months late.

        • steveb944

          My preorder is set for by the end of 2014. Unless they want to come out as the worst developer for Wii U by stopping release of a game they’ve repeatedly said was coming to the U, they’ll deliver. In terms of what they’ll deliver, IDK and IDC as I’ve supported Ubi thus far and haven’t been disappointed with their IPs

        • Officer Raichu

          they have announced it for november so christmas time

          link

          http://www.hybridgames.co.uk/driver/watchdogs/news/for-wii-u-coming-november-2014/

      • JudgeMethos

        Nah, no real reason. I had preordered a PS4 and Watch Dogs last year at last years E3. When it came time to get a PS4, I changed my mind. The only game I saw that I wanted was for PS4 was Watch Dogs. Watch Dogs got bumped but I forgot to cancel my preorder. One day it shows up via UPS at my door and I figured, well might as well get the 4 now. I want ‘The Evil Within’ as well. But, honestly, if the Wii U version uses the GamePad in a cool way for Watch Dogs…I’ll bite. No real reason other than that.

        • steveb944

          Haha gotta love those unexpected deliveries.

          Thanks for your reply. I’ll check The Evil Within.

  • https://www.imthegoddamnbatman.com Gamer Mania

    Probably longer than what AMD are saying the PS4 and Xbox One are going to last.

    • vexedpython

      those systems both praise their graphics above all and launched with mid-grad pc hardware. I find it funny that ppl think the ps4 is so bad when it is only year one and in pc terms its already underpowered. in my view a console shouldn’t aim to compete on a graphics front but should instead offer something pcs don’t like interesting controller schemes and good local multiplayer(no one wants their family to gather around a pc screen and putting it on tv would drop the res.) that’s why in my book nintendeo has the right idea for consoles.

  • Decker Shado

    Wii U sales = 6 million
    Xbox one shipped = 4.5 million
    “Wii U lagging behind Xbox One”

    (I understand XBO sold more than Wii U in the timeframe, but still…)

    • jjbredesen

      Xbox One is currently selling less on a weekly average than Wii U and the gap between PS4 and Wii U has become a lot smaller, Xbox One has only sold a more than Wii U around its launch and during the weeks after the holidays.

      Wii U is in no way struggling, and is doing fine, its actually going to be profitable this quarter, or that is what the statistics say. Can’t say the same about Xbone, so no need for the doom stuff, Wii U will be fine if Nintendo keeps making great games, and i am sure once Halo 5 is released Xbone will have a nice jump in sales, as for PS4 its sales are slowing down, but when a new game is released it will go up.

      Honestly this gen will not be the best, and i think the sales will be very close this time around.

      After seeing E3 etc. and thinking a lot i think this gen will be a lot like the N64/PS1 gen, not great sales, but fantastic games.

      • harkeness

        Wii U is absolutely struggling, you guys are crazy. The sales of the console have stagnated for nearly a year. While Mario Kart 8 has and will provide a boost it’s insane to think that Wii U will match overall Xbox one and ps4 sales during their lifetimes.

        • jjbredesen

          Nope, Wii U is selling better than Xbox One, and it has been selling better for some time, Xbox One will at this rate not catch up.

          • harkeness

            Not on the NPD. Xbox one has been selling better than Wii U since it released. I’m not sure where you are getting your numbers.

          • vexedpython

            who cares its doing better then it was which is a good thing no matter how you put it. unless you arnt a Nintendo fan which just makes you a loser with nothing else to do with your life if your on a Nintendo fan site and arnt one.

          • harkeness

            This has nothing to do with who is a fan of what, it’s just facts.

          • vexedpython

            yes its a fact that its doing better then it was. so that’s a good thing. like I said the only thing that doesn’t add up is why you bother to be here if you don’t like the product. if you do like the product then this is good news not bad.

          • harkeness

            I do like the Wii U to an extent. It is doing better, but to claim that it’s doing better than xbox one and ps4 is crazy. I never said this was bad news, I just think that Reggie is a PR guy and trying to paint a good picture when it’s not as good as he would like us to believe.

          • vexedpython

            he never said it was doing better the xbox or ps just that its doing better. so theres nothing wrong with his statement

          • harkeness

            “Xbox One is currently selling less on a weekly average than Wii U and the gap between PS4 and Wii U has become a lot smaller,”

            Yes he did.

          • Chase U

            And it’s true! Honestly Xbox One kinda sucks and is starting to lag behind Wii U and PS4.

          • harkeness

            It’s not true yet. I think Xbox one and Wii U will be like gamecube and the OG xbox. Pretty close in overall sales. Maybe, although the fact that third parties aren’t abandoning the xbox one like they are the wii u means that the xbox one has a huge advantage there.

          • Chase U

            That is and isn’t true (regarding XB’s advantage). Because N makes great, valuable, and replayable games that are exclusives while Xbox, as well as PS4, mainly rely on their third parties, which yes do very well while their exclusives don’t do nearly as well. So they don’t necessarily have an advantage over N because N’s exclusives do remarkably well and their third parties never have done as well as their exclusives. So N’s strategy is very different from Micro/Sony..

          • harkeness

            If you think that Microsoft and Sony don’t have exclusives that people like a lot and look forward to then you’re insane. In fact, their exclusives have a wider appeal than Nintendo’s do especially now.

          • Chase U

            I’ll admit I don’t know much about the Xbox and Playstation in regards to games since I’ve always been a Nintendo fanboy. I did have an Xbox 360 but not many games for it.. BUT I was mainly saying that Nintendo third parties never do nearly as well as their exclusives, so the fact that they lost a lot of third party support doesn’t mean it will be the end for them because of their different strategy.

          • harkeness

            Yes Nintendo has exclusives, ones with narrowing appeal as they continue to rely on the same IP’s generation after generation. Without the third party games to increase the size of the library and make sure that there aren’t as many gaps between releases, people get bored of the console in between software releases.

          • Chase U

            The narrowing appeal is just an opinion of yours because I look forward to all the new Mario games, no matter how many there are. They are the same but SO different and that’s what we Nintendo die-hards like about their games. Yes they do rely on the same franchises but that can be said about Xbox and Playstation as well. Mario will never die (as well as all their other repeated franchises) in my opinion as long as Nintendo is still making games, they will continue to make greater and greater Mario games and I’ll buy all of them!

          • harkeness

            Yes YOU look forward to it, but that’s an anecdote at best. Xbox and Playstation, sony especially brings new IP’s into the fold all the time.

          • Chase U

            Nintendo brings more than 3 decent games a year, it just depends on what one likes.. Well I appreciate your civilness and I respect your comments :-)

          • Chase U

            Nintendo brings more than 3 decent games a year and you know that. I appreciate your civilness and your replies and I respect your comments! :-)

          • steveb944

            You both have valid points, harkness lost me with his reply below. But you have a very narrow field of view as you yourself have claimed to be a fanboy. I am as equal a fan to Nintendo for decades but we can’t deny plain facts.

            Wii U may be doing better now, but we can’t deny the just released competition is already catching up (XB1) or beating us (PS4) in overall sales when we had a huge head start which Nintendo blew. Hopefully we are on an uptrend from here on out.

            In terms of software Sony and Microsoft are experiencing the same droughts that we have gone through, difference being they have much more 3rd party support than Nintendo did.

            In terms of the article I’m very happy to hear this from Reggie and Nintendo.

          • harkeness

            Lost you how?

          • steveb944

            “Also, with Nintendo only being able to bring 2 or 3 decent games to their console a year, they NEED third parties.”

            I was agreeing with your points up until that. Nintendo doesn’t NEED third party, we see that as they’ve done pretty good with mainly first party software. Don’t forget as well that there’s a huge indie scene that Nintendo embraces fully.

          • Zanzama

            Then again… Nintendo was overall declared “winner” of the E3 and dominated in social media mentions by 47%. I don’t get how that can be considered a “narrow” appeal.

          • harkeness

            I don’t know who declared that, but they only “won” because they had a better approach, a new approach. Overall, the games that they showed aren’t all that interesting ultimately.

          • Zanzama

            “the games that they showed aren’t all that interesting ultimately”

            Subjective. Also the statistics were provided by Crimson Hexagon.

          • harkeness

            Yes it is subjective, but what isn’t subjective is that everything they showed doesn’t have as wide of appeal as Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed or Battlefield or Destiny, etc. etc.

          • Zanzama

            That didn’t stop Wii’s success last generation. It depends on how Nintendo manages to appeal to both the “hardcore” market and the “casual” market.

          • harkeness

            Wii’s success has nothing at all to do with this. Let’s look at each game individually. Ok Splatoon. What do you think that will sell? It’s like on the level of Bayonetta 2 at best. Comparing it to Call of Duty or other shooters it doesn’t stand a chance. Toad Treasure Hunter, let’s not even talk about that because it could be a downloadable game only and honestly sales of that won’t be good. We could go down the list, Xenoblade Chronicles X, that has a very narrow appeal and will likely bomb.

          • Zanzama

            The examples you cited (Call of Duty, Assassin’s Creed etc.) are multiplatform titles for the most part. Therefore Wii U would profit from a number of those games. And Zelda and Smash Bros. should leave a mark regardless of Nintendo’s other “niche” titles.

          • harkeness

            Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare isn’t coming to the Wii U, neither is the next Assassin’s Creed, strangely. That’s not the point though really. The point was what is the appeal of Nintendo’s games? I think the answer is that for the most part they are becoming more and more niche outside of a few titles.

          • Zanzama

            Nonetheless E3’s influence has yet to show itself. 3rd parties come and go.

          • harkeness

            What do you mean, third parties come and go? Just need some clarification.

          • Zanzama

            Sorry for being vague. It’s the fact that a third party’s decison on whether to support a console and/or to which extend they are willing to do so can change over time. EA would be an example.

          • harkeness

            They can, but it seems like the general trend is that once they leave they won’t come back at least in regards to Nintendo.

          • Zanzama

            It might be a trend… but then again… Nintendo has broken some of their own trends lately and started doing new things. Their E3 approach is an example.

          • Rinslowe

            ” but what isn’t subjective is that everything they showed doesn’t have as wide of appeal as Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed or Battlefield or Destiny, etc. etc.”

            That kind of appeal is built over time. Comparing new Ip’s to established ones is a one sided view of the situation. When the very first AC title released. It had hype like any new decent franchise. It was allowed to take it’s place with the consumer and grow from there.
            What you are effectively doing is taking something like Splatoon for eg that hasn’t made it to market yet and pointing out the obvious that it doesn’t command the same level of appeal as established franchises. That’s not good…
            o_O

            And Destiny isn’t something that you can say with any certainty as of today. Again, lots of interest, lots of hype. Looks like a ton of fun. But where’s the facts?

          • bistricky

            “but they [Nintendo] only ‘won’ because they had a better approach, a new approach”.
            This ‘better …. new approach” is one reason why many Wii U owners, myself included, are happier then they were a season ago. Hopeful. E3 2014 was successful in improving the general perception of the Wii U (to counter-act the negative perception which was killing it).
            Add to that the recent significant update (v. 5.0.0) for the Wii U, positive results for Mario Kart 8, the potential of amiibo and Nintendo no longer being quiet about its situation with its console, is a breath of fresh air.
            Its a long, long, long, way for the Wii U ….. but the Wii U is being discussed as a player again in this 8th generation of gaming consoles …. and that is saying something. No matter if this means the Wii U sells the least of the big 3 consoles, in this case “a better … new approach” is just what the doctor ordered.

          • TehEngineer

            Why does everyone keep saying Nintendo doesn’t make any new IP’s? They do, and they’ve made quite a few of them this generation:

            Pushmo
            Steeldiver
            Wonderful 101
            Tomodachi
            Rusty’s Real Deal Baseball
            Nintendo Pocket Football Club
            Project Steam
            Splatoon
            Dillon’s Rolling Western

          • Gameonfool

            If Nintendo never create new ip’s then why do they have so many, did they create them all on day one. Anyway splatoon is a new ip, pikmin was during gamecube and technically wii fit was, I’m sure there is many more they created each generation. And yes you did say no new ip’s if they use the same ones generation after generation. I think first person shooter have narrowing appeal so go and play some of them on your shit box. Also ps and xbox would be way more boring and have longer droughts without their 3rd party games and don’t get me wrong I would like to see a little more support on nintendo’s platforms.

          • Rinslowe

            This is not something that you can quantify. And certainly not a topic that can be proven by hardware sales. It can be somewhat assumed by software sales per platform. So no, trying to say which company makes the most appealing games is a waste of time. And yet more personal opinion being communicated as a general truth.
            I totally agree that both MS and Sony have just as appealing exclusive content to look forward to…

          • Joseph Oliveira

            Something I’ll have to disagree on.

          • Stephen Dorn

            No, that was VGChartz, and I will give you that the paragraph structure was confusing, as when switching between sources one usually starts a new paragraph

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s what PR guys do. Reggie is good at that. Though, I don’t buy into his claims.

          • Chase U

            Are you talking about here in the US? Well they haven’t released the number of console sales for the Wii U since Mario Kart 8 released have they? If they have I want to see those numbers please! Because there is NO WAY Xbox One is outselling Wii U right now.

          • harkeness

            The NPD numbers for May included 2 days that mario kart 8 was on the market, that means launch day. Mario Kart sold something like 500k in the US I think while only 60k wii u’s were sold in about the same period.

          • Chase U

            Yeah but where are these Xbox One numbers doing better than Wii U you speak of?

          • harkeness

            http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116936102&postcount=2615

            This is for may. Just go back to the other NPD threads on GAF as well.

          • Rinslowe

            The data is for the month of may for hardware. It only accounts for 2 days of Kart hardware sales also.
            This is the reason a lot of people are interested in seeing what has happened from then to now…

          • Officer Raichu

            you do realize thats just US do you
            its doing pretty much on par with xbox one ww with japan to make it sell more

          • Rinslowe

            Hard to say.It could go either way. Ultimately not an issue for either MS or Nintendo, if they can continue to sell their systems and software at a profit…
            Not sure if MS is there yet. But Nintendo is claiming Wii U is no longer sold at a loss. And we know their software is making money…

          • jjbredesen

            Yeah, its hard to say how everything will go, but from i can tell from now PS4 will sell the most and Xbox One and Wii U will have close battle a bit like last gen.

            Wii sold really well and PS3 and Xbox 360 battled really closely, but i am not sure the systems will sell as well this time around, they could sell better, since PS4 is the best selling console at launch of all time there is a chance, but its all just speculation.

            Not really important though, does not matter who sells the most, as long as the games are great i am happy.

        • Chase U

          Wii U WAS struggling. I would say that it is still not in a “great” spot, but I would also say that very recently the Wii U is not struggling. It has been outselling PS4 in Japan for a while now. I will agree that it was released a year earlier than XB and PS and in that sense it isn’t doing well. BUT nowadays it isn’t struggling and is on an “upward spiral”.

          • harkeness

            Japan is a dead market for consoles in general and isn’t a good yardstick to compare console sales. For example, in May’s NPD, ps4 sold 195k while Wii U sold 60k.

          • 504HotBoy

            I don’t know why people insist on saying Japan is a dead market for consoles. When it’s not. The problem is that since the last gen (7th gen), western developers have taken over, what was was once dominated by the Japanese for 20 so years (basically from the 3rd to the 6th gen). They were more prepared for HD and had more resources than Japanese developers, this I already know. But anyway more money is being made in the western markets, western games are killing Japanese games in sales on consoles. There have always been FPS, dating back to Doom, Quake, Wolfenstien, Duke Nukem, etc. But during the days when the Japanese was running the industry, those titles couldn’t hold a candle to the Mario, Sonic, Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Zelda, Resident Evil, etc., the list goes on and on. Japanese titles just sold more over western titles back then. But since western market is where the money is at, the Japanese have tried to westernize their games on consoles (even getting western developers to develop games for them), while keeping their style on handhelds. Which is what the Japanese audience is into. If we go back to the way it was during the 3rd to 6th gen, when you seen way more Japanese games on top. I guarantee that consoles in Japan would sky rocket. It’s because of the change of the industry being more towards western gamers now, that’s why console sales in Japan have not been strong as they been in previous years. They don’t want to play that western bull crap.

          • TaintedXGamer

            meanwhile I’m still Waiting for Localization of Dragon Quest X on wii u. then again…… my wallet is still in a coma.

          • Joseph Oliveira

            Saying Japan and dead market for consoles in the same sentence is ludacris. Something that is totally not true!

          • harkeness

            That’s pretty much the general opinion at this point in time. The Japanese seem to really like handhelds, consoles not so much.

        • Chase U

          Xbox One I could care less about..

        • bistricky

          Hi Harkeness …. or should I say phaedruss??

          Why you make a new ID today …. you didn’t make many friends yesterday?

          • harkeness

            ??

          • Rinslowe

            Phaedruss or something like that. People are more perceptive round these parts than you give them credit for…
            lol

          • harkeness

            Mhmm, pure guesswork I guess.

          • Rinslowe

            Haha. Yeah I know the argument well. But long ago left the proof to the misers. I don’t need proof to know who I’m conversing with. Nor do I require a crowd to support my beliefs.
            You say nay. I say OKAY… Phaedruss. You’re better as Harkeness. So no complaints here.
            ;)

            Let us debate as the comment section allows us to…

          • bistricky

            Why did you end your old ID, when you lost it and said others were “delusional.” and then start a new ID and here start with “Absolutely delusional.”?

          • harkeness

            Delusional is the perfect word to describe what Reggie is saying here. Do you think only one person uses the word delusional in the entire world? Moron. I didn’t “end” any old ID anyways.

        • URFTBOUND4LIFE .

          Who cares? As long as Nintendo keeps selling WiiUs and software,they’ll continue to make a profit,and in the end, that’s all that really matters. Only fanboys care about who sold the most. I don’t. All I want are great games to play. As long as they continue to do that, I’m happy

          • harkeness

            It’s not about who sold most, jeez. It’s about selling WELL.

          • URFTBOUND4LIFE .

            Then why are you using sales comparisons then? Wii U had a rough start but they are doing much better now. Nobody is saying it’ll have PS4 sales but Nintendo is in the black and they are profiting from every console and software sold.

          • harkeness

            Sales comparisons show us who is selling well relatively. It shows that the Wii U, while being on the market a year longer than the other 2 has been surpassed by the ps4 and will be surpassed by the xbox one as well. Not to mention the huge sales slowdown the Wii U had in about March of last year up until now. It’s not even a sure thing that that slowdown won’t continue.

          • Rinslowe

            Honestly with one console improving it’s situation while another is settling into a similar grind. How to really substantiate the statement that Xbox One will surpass Wii U based on the facts?
            It may well do exactly that. But looks to me, where I’m sitting, the verdict is still out on that one mate…

          • matthew garcia

            There not profitable right now. They been losing money for the past 3 years. 2 weeks of good sales don’t make up for a year and a half of horrible sales

          • David Trail

            SONY are selling all the consoles and still losing money. What is your point?

          • harkeness

            Sony only lost 70 million or so on the PS4 launch and will probably be making money off the ps4 and psnow and PSN very soon if not already.

          • Rinslowe

            Actually that isn’t a correct statement at all. Sony had spent 75m US in R&D on PS4 prototyping and development. Obviously before the launch ever happened. Try factoring in the remaining costs and you’re in better shape on that point…

          • harkeness

            I think you’re wrong on that point. I don’t feel like l ooking it up on gaf but I’m pretty sure that they only lost 70 million when all was said and done. I don’t think we have exact numbers on r and d specifically.

          • Rinslowe

            So your theory is that a system that according to Sony became profitable off each sale. Only a few short months ago. A system that incurred 75m in R&D costs alone. Which again until recently (according to a statement by Sony) was losing roughly $60 USD on each unit manufactured. Not counting shipping and handling, storage and of course marketing…
            Lost 70m – when all was said and done?

            Riiigth. I think I’ll take my chances on being wrong with that point, lol
            :)

          • harkeness

            http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=818569

            Here you go. Games division loss 78 million for last quarter. That’s actually really good for a new console launch period.

          • Rinslowe

            Keeping it all in context
            “Sony only lost 70 million or so on the PS4 launch

            “Gaming division loses 78m”….
            The additional information is the same as what was provided from every other source so far…
            Sorry that doesn’t answer the question at all. You do realise that for Sony they always clump their hardware no’s together during financial briefings and reports?
            Apart from “thanks to PS4’s increase in unit no’s” PR line there is nothing that links it’s performance directly related to the “gaming divisions loss” of 78m USD against what it obviously incured.

            Sorry but, the facts are there. R&D costs @ 75m. Then there is the fact again as the system has not been profitable after the loss of manufacture and assembly costs, shipping and handling and of course Marketing…

            As a whole the gaming division posted a loss of 78m. And here’s the thing. Actually two. First off, in reality it was the current hardware performance and revenue that has helped claw back the bulk of that amount. While the PS4 absolutely impacted negatively throughout that period. And that in no way is a 78m dollar loss a positive in any consideration.

            However it is a positive that Sony are confident of a FY 14 operating profit. Hope they get there…

          • harkeness

            I can’t make sense of what you are talking about at all. The gaming division posted a loss of 78 million for quarter. If that includes more things than just the PS4, actually it does, then that’s even better actually not worse.

          • Rinslowe

            That’s actually not my problem. But let me simplify it.
            The PS4 had a greater negative impact on that figure. Which was no doubt then brought back to, thanks to the existing hardware. It in no way implies profitability of PS4 or it’s services. Irrespective of whether or not those areas are in fact now profitable.
            And in no way does a $78m loss have an even better – not worse scenario.
            It’s 78m = bad….
            Forecasting a profit in FY 14 = good… Potentially.

          • Adecentboy777

            Sony already makes money on each console sold. They said it like 2 months ago. Just for your information :)

          • Daniel Carvalho

            To add a bit of information, the losses come from other sections. Remember, Sony is a great company that works with all kinds of technologies, not only video games. Even if one of them is doing bad, the others will cover for it, but the opposite may also happen: even if one section is profitable, they’ll still close every fiscal year with losses if the rest doesn’t add to their bank account.

            Sony already had to deal with a huge loss, and sold parts of their domains to other companies in order to halt the loss. They may be selling the PS4 just fine, but it doesn’t mean they’re in a nice financial situation!

          • Adecentboy777

            I am well aware of all that :) What I meant was that the PS4 is sold on profit now, not like 5-6 months ago, when Sony needed to sell an additional game to make a profit on the console.

          • matthew garcia

            There gaming division is not losing money but the rest of the company is. U have to remember Sony is a way bigger company then Nintendo and deals in many things. Nintendo is strictly toys and video games

          • David Trail

            Sony is a bigger company. Nintendo’s gaming division is bigger than SONY’s.

          • matthew garcia

            Well of course it is fool like I said Nintendo is strictly toys and video games. Still ps4 is selling at a much faster rate

          • David Trail

            Nintendo are still bigger than Playstation.

          • matthew garcia

            Not this gen but last gen they were. Maybe Nintendo will take next gen if there is a next gen

          • Arthur Jarret

            There won’t be a next gen. In 5 years all Xbox ones will become autonimus and use the data the kinect collected to decide the ultimate time of turning on the PS4 and having it overheat. The home of every gamer will explode – shattering the earth in tiny pieces.

          • nin-10-doughfan

            wii u, ps4 & XB1 are all current gen consoles!

          • Rinslowe

            I would actually take that statement the gaming division, specifically PS4 is generating profit for them currently.
            It came with an official statement. But against their overall sales performance and the revenue posted ($171m). Something doesn’t seem right…

          • Adecentboy777

            Right! That’s how it is!

          • Chase U

            The Wii U hasn’t even been out for TWO years yet.. Get your numbers straight guy. And they aren’t just having 2 weeks of good sales; this is just the beginning for the Wii U.

          • matthew garcia

            Fool u get your numbers straight that’s why I said a year and half of horrible sales cuz that’s how long the Wii u has been out and I said they been losing money for 3 years cuz they started losing money towards the end of the original Wii s life cycle idiot

          • Chase U

            Oh my bad.. no need for names man, this is a friendly site. Either way the past is the past and right now is right now. The Wii U’s fortunes are looking great right now.

          • matthew garcia

            Sorry for replying that way but I hope Nintendo does rebound cuz I invested in buying one and I love Nintendo. I just don’t like there direction they have right now or any of the gaming industry for that matter. Still Nintendo needs to do quite a bit more Still in my opinion

          • Chase U

            It’s all good duder! I also love Nintendo, hence why I’m commenting on this site. Are you saying you don’t like all the new games they unveiled at E3? Because 90% of those games look amazing.

          • matthew garcia

            I got a Wii u for Zelda, X, metroid i’m not into Mario. I was pissed when I found out the games I want don’t come out til sometime in 2015. Bayonetta may be the only game I want for the rest of the year on Wii u and even that is not a for sure buy for me. To much Mario and sidescrollers this gen for me

          • Chase U

            Let’s reverse it: I actually got a Wii U for Mario lol! I’ve always been a die-hard Mario fan so i guess we ain’t got that in common.. Zelda U looks fucking fantastic just from that quick glimpse. The whole point of E3 is to show games that will come out the following year right? And games that will come out at the end of the year. Bayonetta 2 looks good and I’ve never even played it or heard of it! That’s a definite buy for me. I agree there are too many sidescrollers out there but all the new ones they unveiled are gonna be so rad

          • 504HotBoy

            I don’t think they have too many platformers. It all depends on what you’re into. I’m into JRPGs, Adventure, Action, Platformers, & Survival Horrors. To me I think there are too many FPS. The industry is oversaturated with them. People complain about platformers, but it’s not like the days it was during the 3rd & 4th gen (8-bit & 16-bit era), where platformers were every where and one of the most populated genres of that time. It’s no where near like that now. It’s more shooters, multiplayer, or sandbox style games, hell even some western RPGs are shooters in disguise. I agree there were some great games shown this E3 on all platforms. You should definetly buy Bayonetta 2. I still have the original Bayonetta on 360. You’re getting a good deal with the Wii U version, because it includes both the sequal and original Bayonetta and people who played the demo said it performs better than 360 version and way way better than PS3 version which was terrible. The graphics in Bayonetta 2 looks 100 times better than the original graphics. Legend Of Zelda looks awesome. But them only showing that tease, im guessing it won’t be released till 4th quarter 2015 now.

          • Rinslowe

            Yeah. I like my FPS’s as much as the next guy. But the majority of them today are getting stale. And the shock factor seems to be the only focus in providing something different from the last experience. The whole gore and violence for it’s own sake mentality is unhealthy for gamers and game development, imo…

          • 504HotBoy

            Don’t get me wrong. I like shooters as well, whether its First Person or Third Person (not one of my favorite genres though). But I think they’re putting too many of the same games out. Rehash after rehash, with a few new modes here and there. To the point it makes the genre stale. I loved the 3rd person shooter Vanquish, because it was stylish and offer a new style of gameplay. Which is why im interested in Devil’s Third, because there being creative and stylish mixing action hack n slash Ninja Gaiden style gameplay with 1st & 3rd person shooter elements. Hopefully they polish it up much more before releasing it. So we can get a amazing experience.

          • Ghost8484

            Why u think most of the good games comes out late or next year? Plus what makes this gen different from last if u had to choose?

          • 504HotBoy

            Hmmmm….that’s a good question. It takes time to develop these games. Speaking on Nintendo and something that’s publicly known is that they weren’t quite ready or up to speed when the made the transition to HD. So it’s taken a lot longer to put these games out than people originally thought and Nintendo won’t release a game until they’re sure it is finished and completely polished by release, even if they have to delay it.There is a lot of games that won’t make the scheduled release. Star Fox even though it says 2015, won’t hit till sometime in 2016. Devil’s Third even though it says 2014, the game isn’t finished and need more polishing, so im sure it won’t release till 1st or 2nd quarter 2015. Legend Of Zelda im almost certain will be their big holiday 2015 game. So it’s looking at a 4th quarter 2015 release.
            I honestly don’t see that much a difference between 7th gen and 8th gen and that’s my honest opinion. Sure we have more powerful consoles that allow more, but in reality it’s not a huge leap like some of these delusional fans would try to get you to believe. Especially compared to previous generation gaps. I own a PS4 which has the most power out of the 8th gen consoles and I have yet to see a PS4 game that totally blows a 7th gen game out the water. Yeah they look noticeably prettier. But there are still games on PS3 and 360 that can hold their own to anything released on 8th gen so far. People will argue give it time. But in previous generations, from day one, from the get go, they made last gen games look outdated, you didn’t have to wait a few years or whatever. That’s not the case with this generation. Not only that, but developers are already familiar with PS4 & Xbox One hardware, there is no major learning curve. These systems are almost already maxing out the systems full potential. This is stated by several developers themselves. CD Projekt Red is one of them. So yeah it isn’t that big a difference from the last gen. To the average person who really don’t look for jaggies, AA, every lil detail, like a character having 20 strands of more hair on their arm or whatever. They won’t notice it that much. Only really seeing ok one version looks much clearer and sharper than the other or whatever. Only the most insane graphic tech nerds will point all the extra detail out and nitpick on graphics. I can bring my mom to look at one of my PS3 games and then have her look at one of my PS4 games and she won’t tell that much of a difference but if I bring my friend who’s a graphic nerd, he will point everything out to me. Now if I show my mom a PS2 game and PS3 game from day one, she would spot the difference right off back, that’s how big a leap, the previous gens were.

          • Ghost8484

            I own a ps4 as well and I agree withcha. So is it the same far as bring old games far as Nintendo goes like from they previous systems like the n64 and GameCube to hd because they trying to learn to have the game polish? So they won’t have a gap far as delays why is it taking them so long with that? I was just thinking like man they can use so many old first party games and tweak them and put them out that not only can balance they 3 party problem but just delays as well. What do u think? Another think me and my wife debt this every single day and I want your honest opinion? Would u rather 1080p native for your game or 60fps? Like she would say stuff like mario kart 8 looks great at 720p native but it would look Lao much greater at 1080p native. I be telling her in my opinion I like games with high frame rates because it look so smooth regardless or 1080p or 720p and she don’t agree lol. Wats your take on that to? By the way I know PC players have both but if u had to only choose one which one and why? Plus do u think Nintendo is a cocky company or they just like to be different from the other main two?sorry for all the questions lol. Some are my wife’s questions too? We game hard lmao!

          • Ghost8484

            And why don’t Nintendo make there own sports games with there franchise character? I know they have soccer golf and tennis but why not do them all. Basketball football baseball ya know all of them. Do u think they will be milking them to much lol? Oh and if u worked for each of the 3 company’s (Nintendo Microsoft and Sony) right now…what would be all three problems with there systems and what would be all three advantages moving forward?

          • 504HotBoy

            That would be a good idea, cause it only took them 6 months to port Legend Of Zelda: Wind Waker, but because of the art style, they didn’t really have to cut any corners too much. But yeah releasing HD ports of classic N64 & Gamecube games, would be a lot faster than developing a brand new game from scratch and could give gamers something to play in between major releases, since most major 3rd party devs are negelecting the Wii U. I prefer a faster frame rate. Even though 1080p looks great. A game running at 720p and 60fps looks great as well and plays silky smooth. If we could have both, then that’s even better. But if I had to choose one, it would be having a higher frame rate. 60 fps looks and plays much better and smoother than 30 fps. Where as 1080p just looks a bit better than 720p. I don’t think Nintendo is cocky. I think it’s because they been doing thing their own way for so long and they’re use to doing things that way, cause they figure that’s what works best for them. It may come off as a little stuck up or whatever, but they know what’s best for them, as they been in the business for so long. There’s probably a lot of things behind close doors that we don’t see or know about that goes on in the industry. Like the conspiracy of western 3rd party devs trying to eliminate Nintendo out of the hardware business. Some of those rumors and conspiracy theories I believe.

          • Ghost8484

            Why are 3rd party developers so afraid of Nintendo?why do they want them to leave in your opinion?

          • 504HotBoy

            Well because Nintendo doesn’t heavily rely on 3rd parties, the way Sony & Microsoft do. Nintendo is the only true video game company at heart. Sega was as well, but they’re no longer here as a 1st party dev. When Nintendo and Sega were the 2 top competitors. 3rd party games always played second fiddle to their first party titles. There first party titles always sold better than anything 3rd party had to offer, especially western 3rd party games. To make a long story short getting rid of Nintendo would be a good thing for 3rd parties, as I said before, which is common knowledge both Sony & Microsoft or heavy 3rd party consoles, that’s where the most money come in from for 3rd party devs, especially western devs. There’s a lot of different sites and gamers online who talk about this if you search it up, all say similar things and thinking about it, it does seem logical. Check out this vid from Zen Gamer. He talks about it. Very interesting:

          • Capt. Smoker

            That’s actually the most logical reason I’ve ever heard, look at the xbox one, then look at the Wii U, both not far off in numbers in terms of when they both came out to the time frame, think at this point that the xbox is at now, 4.5 million, the Nintendo Wii U about 3.6 million, 3rd party games run the ps4 and xbox one, Nintendo run on 1st party and 3rd party exclusives, so, why support Xbox One, but not Wii U, why do 3rd party talk down to Wii U, but not Xbox One?, it’s all double standards bullshit, 3rd party would love to see Nintendo fuck off, too bad for them, so long as Nintendo continue to expend with making games, so long as the software sells, they’ll never go away.

          • 504HotBoy

            Exactly, Sony & Microsoft are mainly 3rd party consoles. That’s where the 3rd parties make their money at. They have 3rd party games on those consoles that outsell both Sony & Microsoft 1st & 2nd party efforts. That’s not the case with Nintendo, Nintendo games sell extremely high and outsell 3rd party titles. The same could be said for Sega. When they were in the game industry, their First party titles outsold 3rd party titles. I can see why 3rd parties (mainly western) would want Nintendo out the industry. It’s a money thing. You do have a point on Xbox One. I know they shipped 5 mill units and sold between 4.2 mill & 4.5 mill units. It’s speculation, cause Microsoft don’t want to release actual numbers. Regardless on how much longer Wii U been on the market than Xbox One. It still has more units sold. That’s bullcrap anyway, because they had 3rd party games in development for those platforms before either of them sold. Wii U have to be at least at 6.5 to almost 7 mill by now. Especially after the Mario Kart 8 sales. It’s a lot of things going on behind close doors. It has nothing to do with the systems power, or how many units sold, it’s more to it than that.

          • Capt. Smoker

            Nintendo are on more of an even playing field than people would have us believe, like Reggie said last year, sales of a console, the power of a console, really isn’t the most important thing, it’s the games, and as long as Nintendo games sell, it doesn’t matter how many consoles are shifted, because software is the bread and butter, console sales simply don’t generate profits, a larger install base, only really means the 3rd parties have a better chance of selling their software, Sony and MS will make minimal profits on 3rd party game sales, and minimal profits on console sales, Nintendo will make 100% profits on their games, if 3rd party wants success on a Nintendo platform, rather than whine about Nintendo, they should understand what the Nintendo crowd wants and deliver that instead.

          • 504HotBoy

            I totally agree 100%!

          • Roadkill409

            Exactly! I have expressed the same thing before. People (in general) who own a Nintendo want a specific type of product. Nintendo has figured that out, why 3rd parties are having such a hard time is beyond me. Make the right product for the Nintendo audience and people will spend their money on your games. I do not make video games for millions of people to buy, so it must be harder than I think? But I am also not a company who’s singular focus is making video games. But I am pretty sure Activision likes how Skylanders sells on Nintendo.
            Not every game has to be targeted to kids, but figure out what nitche is missing and fill that gap and then market it to me and tell me why I need it.

          • Capt. Smoker

            As a Nintendo fan, I get made fun of a lot for the Wii U having, in their words “no games” but even if all the games Sony and MS get, also get ported to the Wii U, I probably still wouldn’t buy, I’m sure most people feel the same, I’m happy with Nintendos 1st party, and I’m happy with the exclusives 3rd party delivers because most of the time, we’re given something suited to the style of the Nintendo fanbase, games like Assassins creed just won’t sell, because sitting next to Wind Waker HD, people who rather go sailing with head boat, than dirty pirates, 3rd party just needs to deliver that and their games will sell, most men with Nintendo consoles are still kids at heart, just say mecha mecha to me and I curl up into a ball :D

          • Ghost8484

            Wow man that’s wats up!!!

          • Rinslowe

            Yep. I’ve been in this camp for a while. Not because I like theories which favour Nintendo. It’s hard to convince the anti fanboy’s out there that you’re a genuine unbiased gamer, cause they don’t want to see it. But, I’ve been in this camp for a while because it simply makes a lot of sense. It reflects what we can observe in the market. And it backs up what we can verify in recent history.
            :)

          • Jonathan Robitaille

            agreed on most points. It also doesn’t help that Nintendo has chosen a very different path for its delivery systems these last few gens. People tend to forget that PS4 and Xbone can also serve as blu ray players and that adds value. Nintendo STILL doesn’t offer that and they didn’t off it last gen or DVD playback before that.

            The different architecture adds work for devs and they probably don’t feel it’s worth it financially..and I can’t blame them since they define success and business relationships more short term than Nintendo who think more about the long term view of things.

          • Ghost8484

            Oh and do u think Nintendo need to release games at a faster pace or do u think they are okay because games not coming out faster either on the ps4 and xbone? Plus why don’t Nintendo put a lot of mobile games on they wii u like cut the rope and the room etc games like that? That can help with delays too. The vita get mobile games.

          • 504HotBoy

            They should put out games at a faster rate, but at the sametime I rather they take their time and release a finished high quality product and not some rushed unfinished game. That’s why I think they should buy Capcom and acquire more studios, so they can have other developers working on projects as well and us as gamers don’t have to painfully wait on Nintendo’s 1st party offerings. I’m not too sure about mobile games. Maybe that’s why they have so many indy titles released on Wii U.

          • eb

            Check in the E Shop. They have loads of games.

          • Rinslowe

            According to Nintendo, Wii U is no longer sold at a loss. They can now begin chipping away at the problem. It’ll be some time before they are able to to post a profit. But the Wii U and it’s software according to them being “profitable” is a step in the right direction.

          • greengecko007

            When did they say this?

          • Rinslowe

            You put me on the spot. I believe I read it somewhere. But the information may have been second hand. Which is why is said “according to Nintendo”, lol.
            Let me see if I can’t locate that article or post or some random source.
            :)

          • Rinslowe

            OK. As I said according to them (seems from an investor meeting so second hand). Is it true? I couldn’t say…

            http://playeressence.com/the-wii-u-is-no-longer-selling-at-a-loss-for-nintendo-plenty-of-games-to-show-at-e3-2014/

          • greengecko007

            Yes, that is in reference to not losing money on Wii Us in storage because demand is increasing. Ashley wrote this up for us here too.

            http://wiiudaily.com/2014/05/nintendo-no-more-wii-u-loss/

          • Rinslowe

            Yes, it implies that and demand equally. the result is the same thing. So long as demand is maintained. And Kart looks to be doing it…

          • greengecko007

            The result is hardly the same. It’s good that the Wii U isn’t causing Nintendo to spend as much money, but not having to pay for storage fees is not the same thing as the console not being sold at a loss.

          • Rinslowe

            I see your point. And agree. It wouldn’t be possible to say with conviction that Nintendo are able to break even on hardware or sell at a profit based only on the information provided.

            I have my own speculations based on software sales and attach rate. Including manufacturing costs. But I’ll hold back until something official comes out.

          • greengecko007

            Iwata seems to be saying that because they factored in losses from manufacturing costs during the last fiscal year, they won’t feel that loss this year. But that only holds true as long as they don’t make more units, and I’m sure you’d agree that their forcast of 3.6 million units this fiscal year is a lowballed estimate.

          • Rinslowe

            Haha. Oh yeah it’s low balled alright…
            But no. He’s implying that so long as their demand is as high (or low) in this case regarding their forecast. It is fair to assume that there won’t be any loses made on units sold in inventory or manufactured. This is directly related to the power of economy of scale. Their position with current inventory. And the hope of having enough demand through recent releases to maintain that.
            As I mentioned, it looks as though Kart is doing that for them…

            But as you’ve pointed out. Might be too early to say. With any conviction.

          • bistricky

            Yeah. I do believe that the Wii U itself is starting to move into the black…. but Nintendo itself is still losing money within its overall operations. I suspect (and I am only guesstimating) but Nintendo is not expected to show a quarterly profit until next year.

          • Rinslowe

            Yep, that was my meaning. Overall it’s a positive. And it’s understandable that they would recently confirm no profit made until next year. Based on the forecasts. Which are always tentative. But no reason to think otherwise at this stage either.

          • Jonathan Robitaille

            They ARE profitable right now

          • eb

            Have you thought of 3ds?

          • Capt. Smoker

            I agree that sales aren’t important, but you at least wanna know it ain’t gonna do a Sega Saturn n fuck off completely lol everyone needs some assurances from time to time with consoles, wish somebody woukd have told me the Vita would sell ass back then so I could avoid buying it lol

          • Rinslowe

            But by having bought it. Does the the fact it still struggles to sell phenomenal no’s affect your enjoyment of it? Most people that own Vita’s seem to be pretty satisfied.

          • Capt. Smoker

            Honestly, I’ve enjoyed it, but they knock around real cheap now, I payed a lot of money for my pack when I bought it lol like…. A LOT, if I’d known, I’d sooner have waited it out till it went cheap lol like I did with the Wii U, well… it was cheap enough ;)

          • Rinslowe

            Yeah, Of course I can relate to that. Being an early adopter in most cases. I’m glad I managed to keep it together with the Xbox One. But realistically they didn’t make it too hard to abstain. Now that my beloved Halo has been given an injection and 5 is on the way. My interest is starting to tickle…
            :)

          • Capt. Smoker

            I think with the Vita, I had Gravity Rush (daze) and Uncharted, then there was nothing, for probably 5 months lol and the pattern just seemed to go on like that, took about a year before 2 games came out that I could say I really wanted like Uncharted and Gravity Rush again, that was Persona 4 and Soul Sacrifice, then literally, another years wait for Ys Celceta to come out, I just think the Wii U has managed better since that first year drought they had, plus I’ve had Wii mode to ponder which helps, I bought a ps3 on it’s release and mostly played ps2 games on it, unfortunately it broke down a lot and I got fed up always sending it back, not really had many problems with my slim though, just don’t love the system like I loved my ps2.

          • Rinslowe

            I definitely enjoy my PS3 infinitely more than the 360 and the original Wii these days. But for a long while the 360 was my daily console of choice with the Wii still getting constant attention. Having a wife and son. Wii was pretty handy. I really enjoyed Skyward Sword and Xenoblade at the tail end of my Wii days though. And there was the PC to rule them all. Which I don’t go on about much here. Don’t want to scare people more than I do already lol…
            For me, PS2 was a beast. Gamecube was a diamond in the rough. Xbox was Halo and Splinter Cell, haha…

          • Capt. Smoker

            I enjoyed the Wii a tad more, mostly cause I’m a bit of a old school gamer, and everything screamed old school, Ps3 only let me down with it’s lack of jrpgs, but had enough gems from time to time to remain interesting, my 360 was good for fable and a few jrpgs, didn’t care for anything else on it, but surprisingly, my kid really loved the Kinnect lol and still won’t leave it alone, I try not to mention pc a lot either lol but I do enjoy mine, emulating ps2 games that have had the original Japanese audio dubbed back in em is a lot of fun, other than that, I still haven’t put Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 down lol I just have a lot of love forsteam these days, especially when you find gems like Ys Origin on the extremely cheap lol, so I’m rarely off it when I get on a roll, I just feel a little ashamed to say, I played pc, psp and ds most last season lol

          • Rinslowe

            And people find time to have hardware war debates lol. You see each person takes from the experiences offered in different measure.
            In that respect I truly enjoy having invested in multiple platforms. But make no mistake, PC is where the razors edge calls home…
            Nintendo are a reminder that experiences aren’t always hardware bound.
            And I believe they’ve packed enough hardware into their latest console to provide their version of the great experience.
            Eyes open.
            :)

          • Capt. Smoker

            I never get all the hardware war stuff, consoles are basically a box with a company logo stamped on, I just like what Iike, and if any console regardless of what it is, how it sells etc can give me a good line up of games, I’d happily buy into it, I’ll always prefer Nintendo on the console front, probably Sony on the handheld front ( I just think they have better quality games than 3ds) and I’ll probably always prefer using Steam compared to gaming on other consoles, I think there’s something for everyone, but Nintendo… I would say hold the strongest position, in terms of what they can exclusively offer, I think that’s what makes them a good proposition

          • Rinslowe

            We can agree so long as you can accept, that for me. Nothing is greater than Tetris….
            Ever.
            But seriously, yeah. I have an ongoing infatuation with Tetris. And I’ve hit a plateau recently on an Android version, where I just can’t beat the fkr!
            It’s been a few months already and it’s hard to beat man…
            :P

          • Capt. Smoker

            I enjoy Tetris, mostly Tetris inspired games though now, such as lumines and dr luigi, i tend to go on those daily, at moment i’m hooked on puzzle quest on my phone lol games like that become crack to me haha

          • Fboogey

            Honestly I think Wii U will eventually smash xbox one and even ps4 in sales. The reason I say that is because, in my opinion, WII U, has the best games lineup for a while to come. Most of the PS 4 and XB one games I see coming up are rehashes and don’t look that interesting. I mean rehashes in the sense of Gameplay not IP. Like Destiny is another FPS basically and Order 1886 is a dark third person action. Is the Division third person action? in any case its by Ubisoft who have been lack luster in my opinion. outside of Child of Light. Then you look at WII U with Smash Brothers, Hyrule Warriors, Yoshi’s Woolly world. Xenoblade Chronicles X, Splatoon and you see a much more interesting line. Hey u can never really predict these things but I think WII U is going to perform really well. We’ll see

          • John Andalora

            That would be all well and good if the Wii U’s sales had been making a profit for the past year and 8 months.
            But since it only recently makes a profit on each sale and Nintendo has stopped overproducing them, there’s still a concern to be had about the sales.

        • Capt. Smoker

          They’ll still do better than anyone else though, so I doubt console sales are all that high of a priority for them, so long as the Nintendo faithful inevitably buy in, they’ll sell their software and as per, make their mega bucks from that alone, something PS and MS won’t achieve due to mostly being 3rd party, think your being kind to the xbox, I see Sony dominating this space alone from here on, Xbox won’t sell like it did last generation, pretty sure 20 million f those 80 sold were to replace the red ringed boxes.

          • harkeness

            Oh yea, I think Sony is going to dominate this gen in terms of hardware sales.

          • Capt. Smoker

            Easily 100+ million over a 10 year cycle, ps+ and now will only strengthen interest across other devices too, they’ve done all the right things and deserve there fame and glory, I won’t buy into a ps4 though, not really a fan of mature stuff, but should they open the heavens and rain down jrpgs like the ps2 did, I’d happily throw my Vita under a bus and ride it back with a ps4 in hand, till then, I’ll just cheer on the sideline ^^

        • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

          Xbox One will come in 3rd in the end, Xbox One has hit its target area. Outside the USA and UK it wont sell anywhere else. Wii U will come in 2nd.

          • harkeness

            The only problem with that assessment is that the USA and UK are huge markets for consoles and that Wii U will have almost no third party support.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Irrelevant. 3rd party games are on the way out. Might take another gen or two, but in the future there will no longer be 3rd party multiplats. There are far to many shit ones out there like GTA and such.

          • harkeness

            I think that some of the larger publishers that exist now may go out of business, but others will replace them. Third party games are by no means on the way out, in fact we are seeing a trend to more and more multiplatform games and publishers trying to get their games on as many platforms as possible. If anything the exclusive is on the way out.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Sony or Microsoft will not be around next gen, meaning if multplats still exists, it will have to be on Nintendo’s console and the other one.

          • harkeness

            I don’t know about that. Why do you think that? If anyone’s out it’s Microsoft I guess if the Xbox one does original xbox numbers. If that is the case, I still don’t see publishers flocking to Nintendo especially if Nintendo goes with a low-spec machine again.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            I see Microsoft not being happy with the sales of the Xbox One and deciding to leave the console business. Games like Halo and such will become PC exclusives. Though with Sony in the critical financial situation they’re in….it will take a miracle for the company to even survive the rest of this generation. As for Nintendo’s next “low-spec machine” if Nintendo and Microsoft are left for example that will force 3rd party to get pulled back and no longer focus on power and graphics game, if not they are forced to be Xbox exclusive and make less money since its 1 console instead of multiplat.

          • Chase U

            We don’t know that for sure though, since third parties have admitted to having finished Wii U games, but they don’t want to release them until the install base grows.

          • harkeness

            Ubisoft has said that and it’s just a family focused game like Raving Rabbids or something. Nothing huge.

          • Chase U

            Key word here is “gameS”. Plural. And they haven’t said what games they are, just that they are sitting there waiting for a bigger install base. It makes total sense and this could actually help the Wii U sales in the future when they release the Wii U games they’re holding.

          • harkeness

            The one game that they mentioned is a family focused game. I think it’s absurd that Ubisoft is sitting on supposedly finished games for Wii U but hasn’t released them. That’s just Ubisoft though no one else.

          • Chase U

            I don’t like the fact that they’re holding them, but it makes sense in terms of $$$! Isn’t that what makes the world go round? They are just waiting for the perfect time to release them. I will agree that Ubisoft is the only one that has SAID that. This COULD mean though that other third parties are also sitting on games which is pretty damn likely.

          • Rinslowe

            I don’t think it makes sense. At least it makes no sense to advertise it. We can all sympathise with their situation. But once the general public knows they have games sitting on the bench ready to go. Their issue becomes a different one. And I do believe that people are starting to choose their purchases with a little more thought towards this type of thing. Ultimately though as some other guy mentioned. If the game is good enough, people will still buy it. And that’s probably a fair call. But too much of that kind of negative marketing (I’ll call it). Will only effect their sales negatively each time.

        • Andrew Clear

          Stagnated for a year? Really? Last fall the Wii U sold very well, and it did stagnate earlier this year til Mario Kart came out. You need to quit drinking the kool aid.

        • Daniel Gonzalez

          Not without third party, no. That’s always been Nintendo’s problem. Other than that, it’ll have plenty of 1st party that people will want. It’ll be in my living room as a secondary console to my PS4 in due time.

        • Rinslowe

          Although I do agree that Wii U sales have been struggling. It would be a little hasty to imply it is not “improving”.
          Also, there is no way that you can say with any certainty at this stage, what the sales will be looking like by the end of the generation.
          Personally, I believe in terms of sales only, PS4 will be the clear leader. Followed by the Wii U. And then the currently struggling Xbox One. Or it will be very close between Wii U and the Xbox if MS manage to edge ahead.
          In terms of profitability as Nintendo makes the majority of their money on software, by the end of this generation I see them as a possible leader here. Followed by PS4 and Xbox One.
          Regarding exclusive content and experiences. I think all platforms come out on top this generation. Each having extremely compelling looking titles in the pipeline or on the shelves now in respect to SM3DW, Mario Kart 8 etc… for Wii U.
          So by my humble reckoning the undeniable winners this generation is us. The gamers.
          Cheers.
          :)

        • Carlos Webster

          Yeah, well unlike you, there’s a site that rules in the favor of the points of jjbredesen and I, and it’s VGchartz. According to that site, the Wii U, in global weekly sales, is currently crushing the Xbox One.

          • harkeness

            Vgchartz is known to be incredibly inaccurate.

          • Carlos Webster

            No, for its figures are almost always in the ballpark of the real sales. Now don’t reply to me, or it will be on like Donkey Kong.

          • Rinslowe

            Usually a little south of the final no’s in most cases…
            Has to be taken with a pinch if salt. But ballpark is an accurate description.

          • harkeness

            Wii U then has been incredibly stagnant for the last 3 months if it’s really 6.3 million now. It was 6.17 or .18 million in March, though that was shipped.

          • Rinslowe

            This is true until Kart released. But the reason is understandable. There was nothing released of note since DKC TF…
            Another mini drought of sorts.

          • harkeness

            I still question how long the momentum will be for Kart. I mean it’s not really an incredibly exciting title outside of Nintendo fans. It’s a pretty safe game for Nintendo to make in some ways, and that’s what irks me about them.

          • Rinslowe

            Noted your opinion on the matter. But in terms of exciting, I couldn’t disagree more. It’s plenty exciting and despite the fact I have 3 brand new titles waiting to go – one on Wii U and 2 on PC. I’ve only been playing Kart. And mostly online. Not only this but your opinion is hardly universal. 1.2 million software and bundle sales in 48 hrs does not indicate excitement for the average gamer? Roughly 20% of the install base and counting. Again, it’s a subjective topic.
            I do agree and also wonder how long Kart can maintain relevant momentum. On it’s own it’ll likely slow with each week from here on out.
            But like I’ve said in previous posts. As it isn’t an annual franchise it has the potential to sell with other titles released over the remainder of the year until Smash arrives. I think that’s a very real possibility.
            Interest for Hyrule Warriors (specifically in Japan) looks to be very high. I’d bet a dollar that sales are steady for Kart during that release as well there.
            Not really ready to speculate on how it performs over time in the west until Junes figures are out…

          • vexedpython

            don’t worry about him theres always ppl out there that just arnt oky with ppl being different from them. its like all the Christian bashing when you go to post on a religious site. just think about it this way. if these ppl where so happy about their choices and had no doubts then why are they on your site and harassing you. in this case if the playstation is SOOOO much funnier then why on earth is he on a Nintendo fan site and not playing on his ps4 or posting on a sony fan site? it really irritates me that ppl arnt aloud to be different from each other. I don’t harass ppl on the call of duty board about Mario.(which I love but understand others might not.) plus my favorite game of all time is crusader kings 2 and I know 90% of ppl wouldn’t like it which im fine with.

          • Rinslowe

            I’m still debating on whether or not the guy is just trying to troll the situation. But giving him the benefit of the doubt by taking his statements at face value until it’s proven, is a habit of mine.
            Usually the crazies start throwing personal insults at you by now. So it’s almost possible to believe he’s being honest about his own opinions….

          • vexedpython

            im fine with him having his own opinion. my comment was at his unwillingness to allow others theirs. mainly his comments above…somewhere where he was saying that nintendos games cant compare to fps like call of duty. in a way I agree with him but to the far reverse so I suppose his statement is fair enough if I take it out of context. but still it would be nice if someone who doesn’t like a particular game/system would just not go to that game/system sites. its just annoying and keeps genuine conversations from happening. but that’s just the internet for you -_-(wait that’s life in general sorry.)

          • Rinslowe

            “im fine with him having his own opinion. my comment was at his unwillingness to allow others theirs.”
            It does look that way.

          • harkeness

            I’m not saying that others can’t have their opinions, that would be ridiculous. I’m not saying that I like Call of Duty, I’m just saying that a game like Splatoon “can’t compare” to Call of Duty in terms of mass appeal.

          • bistricky

            COD has mass appeal and also has mass disdain in the gaming community.

            Putting COD against the recently announced surprise new IP Splatoon is amusing …. let alone putting any game against Activision’s juggernaut ….. in this case serving judgement on a new IP where the game is far from complete.

            But lets frame this as mass appeal potential, as it pertains to the Wii U (as this is Wii U Daily) ….. At E3 2014, do you think Splatoon got more gamers talking or Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare? If COD:AW had been released on the Wii U, do you think it or the new IP Splatoon would sell more units? Is it better for Nintendo to make the new IP Splatoon or should Nintendo have made no new IPs?

          • Rinslowe

            “:Sounds nice but It is not a “fact” that “only” when people disagree can one have “really good discussions”.
            Hahaha, yes this is so true…

          • vexedpython

            not everything has to have mass appeal. in fact I think N way of doing things is more logical to me. it wont appeal to the majority but they do manage to have universal appeal in that their games are enjoyable by all ages groups which is something very few games can do. this allows them to be played by kids and make fans for the next generation and have challenge for those of us that have grown up(Mario IS hard once you get to bonus areas after final boss. final boss is the “soft” stopping point) this may give them slower sales since those of us buying off cus we are old fans arnt as big a market as those that just buy random fps and true some of those kids go onto other games. but each gen they keep some off their previse fans while creating others. Not all games have to be blockbusters and that’s fine because N games sell for many many years. you pick up a playstaion you buy the newest call of duty(or the last years one if you are budget shopper) but no matter what year you buy your N console in your likely to own a good amount off their games new and old and thus they sell large amounts over time. also splatoon has a WHOLE lot of talk about it on multiple networks I have seen so I think there will be more then enough appeal to turn a good profit. oh and I have no problem with ppl having different opions and discussing them if that’s what you where trying to do I am sorry. all I see though is you coming here to insult a product with no genuine intrest in said product. srry though I shouldn’t let it get to me its just something that always has confused me. it would be like going onto a little deby website and harassing ppl there cus you like hostess. you can have good conversation between fans cus there’s still differences of options among them. I don’t see how you can have a good one when every time you talk though someone chims in with(your console sell worse then others) that’s not conversation either.

          • harkeness

            Yes, but it doesn’t seem of those 1.2 million sales many were actually new Wii U sales as well, so like I said, among the hardcore Nintendo fans Mario Kart is exciting, but in general it doesn’t hold that wow/hype factor for other crowds.

          • Rinslowe

            I honestly think that in times like this it’s still better to wait for the actual no’s to say, how well one title has sparked new interest for the platform. We really only know what Japan has done. And as is typical of Japan right now. Console sales in general are selling low, albeit steadily…
            (Lets not forget of the 60k confirmed hardware units in the US from May – only 2 days of hardware sales from Kart are included)
            Although I can get behind the idea that for those that have invested in PS4 and Xbox One this generation. For various reasons, Mario Kart 8 would not be enough to convince people to spend money on a new system and one title. I say this because if those current console owners haven’t double dipped due to Pikmin 3/ WWHD/ SM3DW/ DKC TF so far. Then Kart isn’t getting them motivated either.
            But new sales are not only defined by these demographics. And what we can see in Japan is that, at least for the last 3 weeks. Hardware sales have been by a factor of 2.

          • harkeness

            I do think that you’re a pretty hardcore Nintendo fan though.

          • Rinslowe

            I’m a hardcore fan of everything though mate. But in that, you have a fair point. I am also a big fan of Nintendo’s offerings…
            And yet on account of that my point still stands. If you can accept that concept…
            I’m sure I’m hardly the only gamer to be a big fan of more than one platform.

          • harkeness

            What I mean to say is that you’re already a big fan of Nintendo’s established properties, while I think that interest in a lot of these well-used, shall we say, properties continues to decline.

          • Rinslowe

            Well there is some truth to me being an existing fan. I will grant you that much on my account. But it still does not address the sales we’re seeing of new hardware for new comers. Or should I say the speculated sales. As outside of Japan there are no solid no’s available post Kart. With the exception of those first two days. And even then, no clear cut indication of how much of those global confirmed sales are from those two confirmed days, counted in May sales figures.
            I agree with the console situation hinted at by you. Fact is there has been a relative decline in no’s overall. But as is usual with people making certain points. The facts are also often glossed over. For eg two points to consider. The first being that Nintendo was profitable with the N64. It was even profitable with the Gamecube and we all know that it was hugely profitable with the Wii. Up until the last 12 months of it’s lifespan. Of course operating costs considering the downturn in Wii console sales against R&D, manufacturer and assembly and poor sales of the Wii U has had them operating in the red for the last 3 years. But that is also turning around currently in their favour. And you’ll actually notice their software is what provides the lions share of their revenue between hardware and software. And that in fact their franchises are still very popular today. Kart having proven that recently despite Wii U’s struggling overall sales performance. So hard to completely agree there. And the second point being that absolutely no. The Wii was not a fluke. Not by a long shot. Truth is. And something people need to accept as a part of history is that Nintendo had a very calculated strategy on the introduction of the Wii and it’s motion control gaming together with a blue ocean approach to it’s user base. There was no fluke in the design and marketing of that machine. Nor the execution and delivery to market of that product. Including the adoption of the platform by both hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals alike. What I will agree with though is that the “level” of success was not something Nintendo was ready for. And it certainly exceeded their estimates until it’s decline.

          • harkeness

            Thanks for writing so much, I’ll just say a couple things. Profitability is obviously a good thing, but market share is also important, as is maintaining market share.

          • Rinslowe

            Absolutely. But one is not more important than the other. While we may as gamer’s perceive one or another entity to be more successful or popular than the other. What ultimately matters is that for the business they create enough market share to be profitable. And in a growing market they continue to achieve profitability in the long run. This is true of every console generation thus far. If we talk about the most obvious recent example the PS3. It is almost certain that it’s long lifespan was a direct result of revenue. Despite market share we all know as part of history the kind of negative impact the platform had on revenue for some years. Until finally it could be made to be profitable. Compared to the Wii which took off like wildfire, was profitable from the get go. Created a huge install base and imploded. It didn’t just taper off. It really kind of just stopped being relevant for many gamer’s. But which one was more successful? Not so clear cut if we look at it from only one angle or another…
            PS4 was a success because of the penetration afforded by the PS3. Sure. But also because of Sony’s understanding of the marketing machine. And how to use that effectively in their favour.
            Truth be told, Wii U did quite well itself in that regard having sold 3.2 million units within the launch window on hype. But where did they f it up? They released the console before the games were ready. And lets be honest, would market share on the Wii U be an issue today, if Pikmin 3, WWHD and SM3DW released with the system as Nintendo had originally intended? I really don’t think so. So there is that. The second f up, I think was a direct result of the first. Clear Marketing. They couldn’t market what they didn’t have. And having to rely on ports to tide them over, their marketing was non existent. Because in releasing the Wii U too early they tied their own hands on the matter. In addition to that, Nintendo dropped the ball again when the opportunity arose with the release of those titles mentioned and under delivered in marketing and exposure and paid for that mistake somewhat with underwhelming sales against expectation.
            It wasnt until Kart and E3 that we were provided a look into Nintendo operating as they should have done from the beginning. Including a few new strategies; like increasing internal development to compensate for waning third party support. And investment in third party exclusive content. Of course also of note was their successful marketing push with Mario Kart 8 which I believe paid of for them for the most.
            So what happens next needs to be just as fine tuned as that. And I think Wii U will be fine for the consumer and from for Nintendo’s business…

          • harkeness

            Well actually Sony struggled all last generation not to lose the market share they had from the ps2, or at least to salvage what they could of it due to the disaster the ps3 originally was. The ps3’s big problems were how damn expensive they were to manufacture and how difficult it was to program for. The fact that they clawed back and matched the 360 is quite amazing. Their market share is difficult to connect to their profitability or lack thereof because of how much money they spent on recovery from the ps3. More market share is always good and it’s what tech companies fight for. Having less market share is never a good. The fact that a company can eke out an existence as a niche product isn’t to say that that’s what such a company ultimately wants. Being in a niche position is precarious and volatile as well. Also ps4’s success is actually in spite of the ps3. Sony has done almost everything right in terms of pricing, manufacturing cost, ease of programming etc. The big problem they have is their first parties seem to be lagging behind.

            As far as the Wii u’ s early months. The delays certainly hurt but ultimately pikmin 3 is not a mass market video game no matter how you slice it. I don’t think Nintendo intended to release wind waker hd with the release of the console as, as far as I know, they didn’t even start on it until 2013. Even if it had wind waker is, I believe, one of the lowest selling Zelda games and is hardly a console seller as aremake

          • Rinslowe

            Look I think there is some misunderstanding here. I never implied that a declining market share is a good thing. What I did say is that market share needs to be enough to generate positive income. In a growing market to maintain that positive income. And grow the user base. Increasing market share.
            Noted your additions to the PS3 topic. I agree with some of the points. While realistically others build on the points brought up in my reply.
            And absolutely, neither Pikmin 3 nor WWHD were major system sellers. But considering they should have been present to create a clear message of the system and show it’s points of difference in terms of performance, of course including SM3DW lets not forget that title exists yeah? I do believe the market share would have been a non issue. Not only because of sales no’s. But because Nintendo would have had the right games to market the system to the masses. To get their original message across. Again I agree, Pikmin 3 and WWHD (btw was on the drawing board early from my understanding at the time of experimenting with Zelda U according to Anouma but met delays in development approval due to internal issues) were not going to be major system sellers. But that wasn’t really the point as I’ve just explained. SM3DW on the other hand would have done wonders for itself and the Wii U had it been released as Nintendo intended within the launch window period.

          • harkeness

            I disagree that sm3dw would’ve done big numbers at the launch of the system. Likely not bigger than nsmbu I think. I get what you’re saying about establishing the point of the system. I like what Nintendo is doing with the Wii u in a way. Unfortunately, they were unable to come up with a really compelling piece of hardware asking with the game pad idea at a reasonable price so the specs of the machine suffered. Not only that but they have been unable until now, even that’s arguable, to bring really compelling software to the table in terms of mass appeal.

            That said I don’t even really know what we’re taking about anymore lol.

          • Rinslowe

            “I disagree that sm3dw would’ve done big numbers at the launch of the system. Likely not bigger than nsmbu”
            Here we clearly disagree. No need to elaborate on that one. History is against both sides being more right than the other. We can only speculate.
            Again the idea that Wii U is not compelling enough on the hardware side, is a point of opinion. Another point I disagree on. As the software has proven. It can provide the types of games, content and effects which leverage the difference in brute force potential against the competition quite effectively.
            Had games like SM3DW and Kart been present earlier people would have been able to see that first hand instead of how it actually went and the internet did it’s thing with the whole doom and gloom, under powered debates that sprung up every where like weeds. So yeah, it’s not just about sales no’s with having the right software available at launch.
            I guess our conversation has taken a natural evolution then across a few different related areas. Nothing is black and white I’m sure you’ll agree…
            Cheers, have a good one.

          • Shootdatrupee!…

            Its correct to the nearest hundred thousand. And that’s good enough for us at this stage.

          • TehEngineer

            Yeah, they’ve been known to undertrack Ninendo’s sales, as Nintendo never releases data to them.

        • Joseph Oliveira

          XBOX One has been struggling in Japan. Xbox has always been there.

          Now that being said, are you saying Wii U has been struggling worldwide or just in the US?

        • ChrisCamp

          It will be interesting to see how XBox One sells in Q3. By the end of Q3 in 2013 Wii U had sold about 5 million units. If Microsoft doesn’t hit that number than technically they will be lagging behind Nintendo for that same time period. Are there any big releases this quarter to drive that kind of sales? I’m not sure there is…

          • harkeness

            It’s quite possible that the Xbox ones sales were highly front loaded like the Wii u’ s and that sales will slow to a crawl.

        • BigotPride

          Great. You started another big d!ck thread. Everyone has to reply to this to measure theirs up. And everyone argue because theirs are bigger, creating an endless worthless thread.

        • eb

          PS MINECRAFT. MINECRAFT might be coming to Wii U.

      • matthew garcia

        Actually Xbox one is out selling Wii u globally on a weekly basis. Xbox one beats Wii u in the US pretty easily. This last month has been the only month Wii u has beat Xbox one during its lifespan and that was due to Mario kart

        • Officer Raichu

          6it actually in wii u level sales right now :P

      • Carlos Webster

        Exactly. I was about to say exactly what you just said.

      • Brandon

        Wait the 5th gen console sells were good though.

        • jjbredesen

          Not really. the PS1 sold well, but the N64 did not. And the rest of the smaller systems sold horrible.

          • Brandon

            Yeah your right, just looked at it again. Five consoles on the market and most of them floped.

          • eb

            The N64 sold about 50 million units. The PS1 sold about 100 million units.

    • Capt. Smoker

      For the time frame, I don’t even think it’s a million behind, yet… Xbox One gets no shit, not like the Wii U did, fans don’t slate it, developers don’t abandon it, double standards, as we always knew..

      • harkeness

        Xbox one also didn’t have an absolute sales stagnation for 14 months. Although it looks like it may start stagnating now.

        • Capt. Smoker

          Aye, that was poor no matter how ya look at it, I imagine all the bad press didn’t help (which wasn’t deserved), but that’s what happens when you make a blunder of no games for 9 months lol

          • harkeness

            Yep, the pikmin 3 delay hurt A LOT. I was really looking forward to it at the time, but then lost all interest.

          • Capt. Smoker

            That and Rayman for me, I enjoyed one or two games, but still… was a long wait, good job I had some games on Vita, otherwise I’d of sold it, Monster Hunter 3 got stale real fast, at least in comparison to a masterpiece of monster slaying like Soul Sacrifice

          • harkeness

            Yea I kind of want to sell my Wii U but I have too many VC games and I honestly don’t think I’d get that much for it, sadly enough.

          • Capt. Smoker

            I’m quite happy with it, mostly because I moded the Wii mode to run emulators n stuff lol without that and my moded psp, I’d of been bored as fuck and probably would have got rid too, after 3d world, I had no use for it, other than anime watching, hardly a goos reason to keep a console, but mod it out with cool shit and it ain’t half bad, better than ouya at least lol

          • harkeness

            I have a pc for emulators personally, but yea I can see if you want to mod it then you can get a lot out of it .

          • Capt. Smoker

            I only ever really emulate ps2 on my pc, don’t really use my pc for much these days, other than rollercoaster tycoon 3 lol that sht never gets boring

          • Joseph Oliveira

            Well of you sell it at Game Stop, obviously! They’ll even give you dirt cheap cash for other this Gen consoles as well.

          • Officer Raichu

            reggie in an interview did say that they were before the delays have pikmin and wonderful 101 out early 2013 sadly he continued they were still getting use to hd so they couldnt ):

          • Capt. Smoker

            I remember him saying that, I just don’t know why they launched when they did, had they done if at same time as the other 2 and had good launch games, could be a different scenario now, but ah well, wouldn’t have enjoyed myself half as much if they had done that :p

    • Sdudyoy

      Isn’t the Wii U at 7 million sales ever since Mario kart 8 came out?

      • harkeness

        Probably not. But we don’t know. I think the last update we had on SHIPPED numbers was that 6.17 million. That was shipped though.

      • FutureFox

        I believe Nintendo is only expecting to sell 3.6 million up till their next fiscal year.

    • MetroidZero

      Beat me to it.

    • f***k xbox xboner

      ur xbone/xboner is lagging behind the wii u
      1st:ps4
      2nd:wii u
      3rd:ur laging xbone

    • Nintendo Of North Korea

      None of these consoles will win the fight for there is one console Wii U Daily left out…

      The OUYA! OUYA sold 5 million copies on release and has now sold up to 20 million copies! VGCharts never admitted it as Sony paid them off!

      • Rinslowe

        Oh yeeah? Riight….

  • bistricky

    What a crazy picture ….. John did you photoshop women hands???

    • Tecpedz94

      I dont think it was him that Photoshopped it its just a pic on the web

      • bistricky

        Oh. Although an odd selection of a pic for this article. I laughed and got creep’ed out at the same time ….

  • harkeness

    Absolutely delusional.

    • Spencer Manigat

      I have to say that I’ve seen a lot of what you posted on this page, and I’ve only seen one thing I disagree with. (Nintendo needing to drop Mario, Metroid, etc) Everything else, I agree with 100%, and this is coming from someone who will most likely only have a Wii U this generation.

      • harkeness

        I just think that Nintendo relies too much on their very well-worn IP’s. I guess “dropping” might be a little bit too much, but when they can’t seem to bring new IPs to market, and not just new IPs but ones that actually can appeal to the core market, and keep up with developing the mario games and metroid games something has to give.

        • Spencer Manigat

          I don’t think their issue is that they rely too on old, safe IPs. Just like with games like COD and AssCreed, those games have their audience, and Nintendo would be sort of stupid not to give those fans what they want in favor of something unproven.

          Nintendo’s issues are plentiful, but I think the biggest problem is that they aren’t self sufficient enough. I agree with you when you say that 3rd parties aren’t coming back. The thing is, that by itself isn’t a problem. The problem begins when Nintendo can’t make enough games to make up for the lack of third party, and they can’t.

          If Nintendo wants to be a serious player in this “console race” going forward, they need to expand, and they need to expand a lot. They need to truly become an “exclusives machine.”

          But more than even that, what they really need to do is to buy and create more development studios, especially western studios. They need more studios that can make new “core” big budget IPs, and they need more studios that can make more of their safe IPs.

          Using E3 as an example, they showed 12 games compared to Sony and Microsoft’s I think 45 each. The good thing is that they were all exclusives when it comes to Nintendo, but the bad thing is that a lot of those games were smaller budget eshop-like games.

          Zelda, Super Smash Bros., Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 2, and Xenoblade were really the only big games shown and even then, Zelda was the only new AAA game shown.

          Let’s say Nintendo expanded to double their size and refocused the types of games the new staff made. Let’s say they now owned 8 more developers in the west, and 4 more in Japan. Let’s also say that they really did own Capcom and their IP now. All together, they showed off 12 more games. Not all of them are “AAA,” but more of them are.

          There’s a new AAA 3rd person Metroid being developed by one of their western studios. There are 2 new AAA IPs from their western studios made to appeal to western gamers. There is one new AAA IP from one of their Japanese studios of the caliber of a Zelda or a Metroid. Because of the added man power, the Star Fox game is in playable form. It’s not a AAA budget game, but it’s enough to get it’s niche group of fans excited. A Mega Man HD remaster collection is being released during the holidays and features Mega Man’s 1-10 remade in with Mega Man’s smash bros graphics. The rest are smaller games and shop titles like Splatoon and Yarn Yoshi. Half are western. Half are Japanese.

          Altogether that would be 24 games shown at this completely fictional E3. While it would still be less than Sony or Microsoft, they would all be exclusives and they would be catering to more than just Nintendo’s established fan base.

          Disney is self sufficient; they only air disney commercials on their channel. They are always expanding; Marvel and Star Wars. They rely on their old classics, but also make new things, Mickey Mouse vs Frozen. They cater to children, but they also cater to older fans; Disney Princesses vs Pirates of the Caribbean and Iron Man.

          Nintendo needs to be the Disney of gaming to survive and thrive. I think that Capcom would be their Marvel if they handled those IP correctly, and them acquiring on other “major” publisher would make them set.

          • harkeness

            Does Nintendo really have the capacity to do all that though? I think that they can expand, but how much is truly feasible without losing too much money too fast?

          • Spencer Manigat

            They definitely do, but this wouldn’t be an expansion done over night. It would be done over several years. They should have started while the Wii was successful, but that ship has sailed. They sort of tried when they attempted to purchase Namco, but the Japanese government didn’t let it happen out of fear of a monopoly. That’s how they came to own Monolith Soft.

            They need to start now, whether it truly does mean buying Capcom, or whether it starts with creating new studios. They need to start doing something now to prep for their next console.

          • harkeness

            Yea I definitely agree with that.

          • Spencer Manigat

            Unfortunatelty, I just don’t see it happening, which means they’re destined for perpetual third place until something drastic happens or one of the other guys really screws up.

  • SolarShane13

    Pride cometh before the fall.

  • HorizonChaser

    Disregard what Reggie says. Nintendo has an established pattern of releasing a new console every 5 years. Wii U’s lifespan is 5 years from when it was released.

    • Capt. Smoker

      Gamecube 2001-2006, Wii 2006-2012 , close enough :p

      • eb

        You made a mistake on Gamecube 2001-2007.

        • Capt. Smoker

          Thanks :) I didn’t realize, my last Gamecube game was Twilight Princess, I’m sure that waa Christmas 2006, had a great time on that game :)

          • eb

            The one where you turn into a wolf?

          • Capt. Smoker

            Aye :) loved the setting, felt like a reimagined Ocarina of time to me

          • eb

            It felt like Majora’s Mask. Twilight Princess was the most darkest in the series.

          • Capt. Smoker

            I never got around to Majoras mask, that whole being on a timer thing put me off, Twilight Princess is my favourite so far, I really need to give Majoras mask another go though sometime

          • eb

            Yeah, that whole timer thing when I was playing it really ticked me off.

          • Capt. Smoker

            Shame, cause it looked like a beautiful setting, but without having time to stop and appreciate it, kinda ruined it for me as a Zelda game

    • harkeness

      Not to mention the hardware just can’t hold up much longer than that.

  • clownshoes1982

    meanwhile, John Kinsley is still a hack.

  • TheAnimal Fleming

    Harkeness got his attention for today

    • harkeness

      I find it funny that no one wants to use comments sections for what they are meant, discussing things.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Hard to do that when fanboys chime in, or people start to take it personal.

        • Shootdatrupee!…

          This IS a fan site of sorts. What did you expect?

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Actually, it’s a news site. It’s for anyone who wants to be informed of anything Nintendo. While I agree this is a site for fans of sorts, it’s not really a site that targets the crazy fanboys. That’s just the unfortunate part of the internet. So, I wasn’t expecting anything, other than stating my two cents.

          • harkeness

            Yea you’re right. I mean I don’t think you have to be a fanatic to be a fan, right? Like I respect Nintendo’s philosophy, but I don’t necessarily like the way that they treat the properties that they do have and the way they introduce new ones, etc.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            You don’t have to be, no. Anyone who says otherwise, is kidding themselves. I’ve been a fan of Nintendo since the beginning, but I don’t have to kiss their ass or think they are the best.

            Over the years, Sony has gotten my attention. In my case, my taste in games have changed. Mario is cool and all, but it does get stale over time. We see him too often. Hell, I’d actually play a Nintendo platformer, if Luigi was the star instead. That poor guy has been in the shadow for too long. It’s nice to see that his death stare in Mario Kart 8 has given him the exposure he deserves. Make some more games revolving around him, and give Mario a rest once in a while.

            Some new IP couldn’t hurt. Captain Toad isn’t exactly something I had in mind. It’s basically another game in the Mario universe. Perhaps Nintendo should get Retro Studios to revive the canceled game, Raven Blade. That game looked quite interesting and it’s a shame it was scrapped due to Metro Prime.

          • harkeness

            Well there was New Super Luigi U or whatever. I just think they need to drop Mario, drop metroid, drop donkey kong. Maybe keep smash and mario kart for nostalgia, but really bring their A game to some new properties.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Well it’s more of a DLC, but I suppose it counts. I don’t think they should drop Mario and company, just ease down on it. Make way for new IP, which I agree. A fan like myself, would love to see that from Nintendo. Balancing it out is the way to go. So far, Nintendo hasn’t figured that part out yet. On top of that, they should revive some older IP that they haven’t used in years. F-Zero being one of them.

          • harkeness

            They just don’t seem to have the manpower. That’s why I say drop all of those things, or at least less of a focus. Yes it’s nice to have a new mario, a new this and that, but it seems to me that Nintendo has gotten bogged down servicing the dwindling number of people that still want sequels of their aging franchises and just doesn’t have the resources to do all of that and bring new ideas to market in a timely fashion.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            If they don’t have the manpower, why not spend that money that they seem to sit on top of and barely use? I never understood that about Nintendo. I get you wanna save money, but in business, if you wanna make money, you gotta spend it too. Open up new studios to add more manpower to create new IP, spend more money on advertising, don’t whore out Mario too often, and perhaps make some exclusive deals with game developers for third party support. They have the money, yet it seems they don’t know what to do with it. It’s a shame.

          • harkeness

            I don’t know what the deal is. They’re too conservative or something. I get that they can’t just throw money around, but at least having a working group dedicated to coming up with new ideas and then implementing them when they think they are good enough should be something all console manufacturers have.

            I also don’t like the excuse that nintendo uses that they want to try different genres or whatever but then want to put familiar characters in them.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I know there’s people who were impressed with Splatoon, but it just seems like another game that you’d expect from Nintendo. Their idea of a third person shooter to me is a head scratcher. I’m sure families will love it, but it doesn’t really appeal to non-Nintendo fans. It’s good to make games for your target audience, but it’s even better to expand. Making every new IP Mario friendly, isn’t going to turn heads. My opinion there.

          • harkeness

            Yes exactly. “Oh cool it’s a treasure hunting game, oh wait it’s Toad from Mario…and it’s on these weird segmented square worlds like Final Fantasy Tactics…is this a 3d world DLC? or what….?”

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s what I thought of Captain Toad as well. It just seems like it should have been DLC rather than a game of its own. Not my idea of new IP. It’s just the same stuff you’d expect from the Big N. I don’t see what there is to be wow’d about.

          • harkeness

            That’s what it is. Nintendo needs to surprise people. I mean splatoon looks cool. It’s an interesting spin that Nintendo would do though. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but they need to go all the way. I don’t know what that is necessarily but it’s there, it just needs to be found I guess.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Yeeeah…Captain Toad isn’t the game that I’d consider new IP. Splatoon is a start, and it looks somewhat fun, but it’s not really anything new. I believe there are games out there similar to it in gameplay if I’m not mistaken. Nintendo can be creative, it’s just that they make all their games too Mario….ish. Not always a bad thing, but it becomes boring.

          • brandon

            I don’t understand how you draw the conclusion that splatoon isn’t an unusual concept..

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Because I’ve seen a few games like this on PC with plenty similarities. Besides that, it’s too kid friendly for me. That’s my opinion of it.

          • brandon

            That seems harsh to me! In my personal opinion, it’s worthy of its own standard full game type release..

  • steveb944

    “…eventually…”

    I REALLY hope we’re on an uptrend now and it’s nothing but blue skies for the future… or rather black vs the red we’ve seen as that’s positive financially speaking. Glad to hear Wii U has a long future as it solidifies my investment in the Nintendo ecosystem.

    • harkeness

      It’ll have a normal console lifespan. Any longer than 5 years would be absolutely surprising.

  • wiimenonowiiu

    All i can see is wii u in 2nd spot with no 3rd party support

    • harkeness

      2nd spot is honestly a pipe dream at this point.

      • bistricky

        Do you really have to attack everyone’s opinion on this website?

        • harkeness

          Not attacking anyone. I like to read the comments and then, omg, respond to them.

          • bistricky

            To all of them …. really …. you manic? …… this is not the harkeness post. omg others read the comments but don’t need to reply to all of them ….. especially one who made a new ID today.

          • harkeness

            Huh? Others aren’t utilizing the comments section then are they? I guess you figured comments were just to make drive by responses? Should I be like the rest of the sheep and just say, “YEA go Reggie! My Reggie is body!” Blah blah

          • bistricky

            You don’t get it do ya.
            You think we are sheep?
            You got a new ID and your stalking everyone ….
            You are attacking multiple people at the same time (at blistering speed).
            You are a troll.

          • harkeness

            Too fast for you huh? Not stalking anyone. I’m just bored and see comments that I disagree with or have misleading information and want to talk about it. I guess that isn’t what a comments section is for then?

          • Zanzama

            I think it’s the amount of disapproval and negativity you show, both objectively and subjectively. You barely show any signs of approval and optimism. That gives people the impression of you being the typical gloomy conversationalist type of person.
            Any disproportionate amount of criticism generally makes people question whether one’s intentions are to simply discuss a certain matter or to enjoy other people’s defensive reaction by painting gloomy pictures wherever they go, undermining positive aspects by any means necessary. There can be a thin line between trolling and playing devil’s advocate. Both roles tend to be not very well received by the typical internet user…

          • bistricky

            You said it better then I ever could. And it is exactly what I saw, especially with every new poster getting an immediate reply by the same person. I may have jump the gun …… not sure. Cheers :D

          • harkeness

            I’m generally a negative person. That’s just me lol. That combined with the fact that I’m pretty unhappy with Nintendo’s general direction.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            More so disappointed in my case, but yeah, I feel ya.

          • bistricky

            Fair enough.
            Can’t rebuff honesty.
            This is not a website where everyone is happy with Nintendo’s general direction. I like this website very much because of the variety of people who frequent it. There is a wide spectrum here of Wii U owners (and to-be owners). Most like their Wii U very much. Most are not pure fanboys. Some have been really unhappy with Nintendo until a few weeks before Mario Kart 8. I was one.
            But I like what I have seen in recent months. To me it isn’t important if Wii U is 1st or 55th top-selling console. I enjoy my Wii U no matter what is ranking is, in a given week or month or year. But to the point of this WiiU Daily article, I am happy that Nintendo has reinforced its plan to keep supporting the Wii U. I do believe the Wii U finally has some positive momentum. The next 12-months is going to be really interesting for the Wii U gaming community.
            One last thing. Gaming is ideally suppose to be fun. The Wii U is one of those consoles that spurs on fun. Not everyone here needs to counter-punched …… if someone say the Wii U is #1, then maybe let it be so.

          • Officer Raichu

            so your that disrespectful thedude guy hmm

          • harkeness

            Lol I love people trying to connect to assume other id.

          • Rinslowe

            No you don’t.

          • Officer Raichu

            oh sorry then i saw other people assuming you had an alt id so i thought so as well my apologies

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            If someone feels you are a troll due to your negative opinion, then they’re quite sensitive. I agree with your last sentence. Neither are well received. However, it’s better to be honest with yourself, than to lie. If the typical internet user can’t handle an opinion, they are in the wrong place.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            People will like you and others will hate you. That’s the internet for ya. I’d say, let them hate. Lol.

          • Chase U

            U ain’t attacking no one.

          • Officer Raichu

            you really are annoying some people :P
            im fine with your opinions but seriously they can have hope
            stop complaining and go back to playing games :P

  • iamserious

    Still currently in second place but barely and very little third party support. I really hope Fis A Mech is right.

  • TaintedXGamer

    Unikitty: Business, Numbers, Quality,Upcoming Games 2014 onwards….
    -whispers-(Are the Wii Us Selling?)
    robot 1: yes
    unikitty: YAYYYYYYY!

  • RecheDiazrivarola

    vgchartz is crap.

  • David Trail

    Xbox One is only at 4.6 million. If things go right and sales of Xbox One do not pick up with the kinectless Xbox One and Halo over Christmas. Nintendo may hold on to that second spot. That would not be bad for the Wii U. A so called struggling console.

    • http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008SRISGU#reader_B008SRISGU Adam Howell

      I’d imagine both console will do very well this xmas.

  • FlashFan207

    There’s more Wii U’s out there than Xbox Ones?! So awesome!!!

  • Rinslowe

    I think what Reggie’s apparently implying, is a basic fact. And really according to Nintendo’s motives, if they choose to support the Wii U for many years to come. Then it’s a done deal. Unless they choose otherwise.
    No-one but themselves will force the Wii U out of the market, put it that way. It’s at a turning point possibly. And Nintendo seems to think as much. But even if it wasn’t. The decision according to their overall financial status could support it for as long as they needed or wanted to…

  • Shootdatrupee!…

    Lol I hope this isn’t like the Wii.
    Says it has a long life ahead of it.
    Announces and releases Wii U one year later.
    Announces discontinuation in some countries and shut off of wifi services another year later.

    • eb

      Yeah but the Wii sold well. The Wii U is selling well now.

      • Shootdatrupee!…

        Which is irreverent to the point. My point is that just because Reggie said it would have a long life doesn’t mean it will. He said in 2011(before the Wii U even existed) that the Wii will continue to have a long life, and then a little less than a year later they announce a successor and discontinue the Wii in some countries.

  • Thedude

    OMG i cant stop laughing. Stupid article. Wii u is a 2008 console just now released. It will die soon. Nintendo is about to go bankrupt and guess who’s buying them? Sony. ps4 has better graphics sales and games. How many rated m games are on the pii poo? Now looked at the ps4 games. Nintendo is dying nintenyearolds.

    • Rinslowe

      Thanks for the humour!
      Especially the self up-votery. That never gets old.
      :)

      • bistricky

        He’s not trying to be funny …. LOL ….. no kidding.

    • Chase U

      HA

  • Jackson five

    Wow, thedude. You are probably the most immature person I’ve ever read in any comments section across the web. You know little about gaming and have no respect. it sounds like you are a complete childish brat. I mean pii poo, really? Lol..what a joke you are.

    • bistricky

      Yeah, Thedude is one of the most recent trolls here ….. days back he appeared as a new ID and it was a sh*t-storm (pardon the language) but there is no better way to describe it.

      • Jackson five

        Yeah , I first noticed thedude on the article about hyrule warriors and the triforce clock. Just the terms he was using and his antics, it was like wow this dude is pretty lame. Everyone has their taste and prefrence when it comes to just about everything, and it’s no different with gaming. If you don’t like something you don’t have to be all immature about it. And you have to have some respect for Nintendo(as a gamer) for what they did to the gaming industry, even if it was done before a lot of todays gamers were around. People like thedude , maybe i just don’t understand ‘em,( it is ok to have diversity in gaming) but they seem like they don’t appreciate the history or the culture of anything really. Just the fact they play “m” rated games with blood and death and foul language like crazy, that makes thedude a bada·· hating gamer. Or something like that..

    • Shootdatrupee!…

      You have not seen very many trolls if that’s your comment on thedude.

      • Jackson five

        I guess i haven’t. I’ve seen my fair share here and there . Seems like they just wanna get people worked up i suppose. But i don’t really know what’s going on with ‘em. I don’t play games with many people these days, but those i do know are pretty opened minded when it comes to playing video games.

  • Daniel

    The Wii U is not lagging behind the XboxOne. Fact.

  • Josie the Sketcher

    I finally got a PS4 this Friday and to be honest I don’t find it as impressive as everyone says it it. Game downloads (like 3 gigs) take longer to complete than the Wii U and even the PS3 – not joking! I don’t know why it’s selling so well. I’m a huge Sony fan, believe me, but I find the PS4 nothing special…at the moment. It’ll get better for sure but I’m still favouring the PS3 and Wii U.

    • Rinslowe

      All platforms are about the games for the gamer.
      PS4 will have that good good content in time…

      • Josie the Sketcher

        Absolutely agree with you! You got to admit though, the PS4 is very overrated with selling over 7 million in 5 month with nothing special on it. Wii U did get some great launch games such as Lego City Underground and have Miiverse. Sort of wished I got an Xbox One instead because they seem to get better exclusive games but I’m sure PS4 will get great ones in future.

        • Rinslowe

          I try to avoid thinking in that way. Truth be told. That’s because I paid a pretty penny for the PS4 about maybe 4 months ago now, maybe only 3. Anyway yeah as a serial early adopter if I admit that, I might start regretting the purchase. Haha!
          But yeah, I see what you’re getting at. Of course I’m also 110% certain that PS4 will have those games you need in the mid term. Until then, game on PC or Wii U. But if you get an Xbox One now. Surely it’ll be at value when Halo the Master Chief Collection releases…
          Food for thought.

          Unless you don’t like the idea of a Halo remake… then fair enough.

  • Rinslowe

    Even longer than my posts Reggie!?! Haha
    Sorry just had to have a laugh at myself in this thread. Even for me… ridiculous
    :P

  • Willie Crespo

    OH BOY! A “console war” argument is going on!

  • Jimmy Humphrey

    The CD-U that Philips is planning once they win there there law suit will probably be the best selling concole of this gen once they are granted the right to use Nintendo ip’s!

    • Jimmy Humphrey

      I for one am definitely going to support the CD-U! I loved the great CD-i games … Nintendo ip’s done right….!

  • Iflywright

    I was one of those 6 million! VERY happy with my purchase. : )

    I don’t think that they have to drop the price to increase sales, I think a little north of 300 is an honest price to pay. I just think they need to readdress marketing in North America. Seems like in Asia and Europe Nintendo does pretty well, it’s just that they need to ‘relaunch’ the system in a North American marketing campaign. I know, I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times, but really, c’mon Nintendo, advertise. In America–you got to pay to play–now get your word out.

    • bistricky

      You are absolutely right. I constantly see Playstation commercials and not as much but still some Xbox commercials …. but I almost fall out of my seat when a Nintendo commercial appears (seen 2 in 1 year). You are right, “In America — you got to pay to play”.

  • Sultan 7

    How can “units shipped” equal sales? The word play is getting ridiculous. It is funny.

  • TheAnimal Fleming

    HARKENESS AND daniel Still on HEre man !

  • C4

    Indeed.

    My Reggie is body.

  • Nathan C.

    Why does Reggie have…oh nevermind. =/

  • Ace

    …Mmm I can tell if this is good news…Or really bad news…

  • harkeness

    http://www.friendandfoegames.com/vane/

    Here’s something Nintendo should pick up for the wii u.

  • Allvalve

    The Wii U was and is ahead of the Xbox One, so to say it’s lagging behind is not accurate. There is a good chance that the gap may have actually widened with the boost from Mario Kart.
    The Wii U won’t have a long life, it will be five years as is pretty much standard meaning it will be replaced in 2016. The games we saw at E3 this year will effectively be the swan song, with a high probability of a hardware reveal next year. Handheld and home console.

  • brian

    The spelling and grammar in here is terrible. *runs*

  • Nintendo Fan

    I agree with Reggie.

  • eb

    Minecraft on Wii U= Longer Life