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The world of Zelda Wii U will be vast, says Aonuma

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Legendary producer Eiji Aonuma has written a new segment for the official Nintendo website, which details his plans for the upcoming Zelda Wii U game. Aonuma wanted to stress that he wasn’t giving too much away, but that the enormous landscapes he hinted at during the E3 presentation would be entirely possible. Here’s what he had to say:

I still won’t say so much about this, but we made it a theme of sorts to review the commonplaces of Zelda. In the Wii U version, I feel like I have to say, “the game will take place in a vast world!” For example, “If you go to the other side of that mountain, what will happen?” or “I have seen this from this side, but I wonder what appears from the other side.” You can play like this, but you might not be that free in the game quite yet. At this time in the Wii U version, if you just think you can continue walking freely, beyond the mountains, over the valleys, you will just continue to walk until you’re very far away. So how you will play the new Zelda, well… I look forward to how everyone will do so!

From this description of the game it sounds as though the game is being designed to be as open world as a game like Skyrim, where you can go and explore anywhere right from the start. We know from Aonuma’s discussion about A Link Between Worlds that Aonuma is becoming fond of game design that lets you explore any dungeon you’d like whenever you like, instead of being required to head somewhere for a specific upgrade.

What do you want to see Aonuma talk about next? We haven’t heard much about the dungeons inside Zelda Wii U, which is arguably one of the most important points of gameplay.

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  • Nintenjoe82

    As long as there’s stuff to kill in this massive world, I will be happy!

    • The Clockwork Being

      Yeah. I don’t want it to feel like a vast yet soulless world.

      • Relick

        Like Twilight Princess? It was huge but there was literally nothing except a few goblins in the vast fields you rode your horse through.

        I want the new Zelda to be more like Skyrim in that when I walk around there is life in the world, things to explore, people to meet, towns to roam and wildlife that give the scenery soul.

        And I want to hunt deer :))

      • Squid

        I felt Shadows of the Colossus had empty worlds. Which hurts me because I love that game

    • BigotPride

      Not enough hugs when you were a kid?

      • Nintenjoe82

        Pretty much. Also, there were no monsters to kill in my local woods so I feel a bit neglected in all the important areas of life. Hugs and monsters.

  • Will.F. Martinez

    Can’t wait

  • Sean Reihani

    I never minded linear dungeons.

    • matthew garcia

      Me neither but I think a more open dungeon would bring a new challenge and difficulty that has been lacking in Zelda. Also the push block and lift pot on switch puzzles have gotten old already. Maybe this new formula will bring something new

      • marloc_x

        I think they will surprise us..

        • matthew garcia

          I look forward to it

    • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyokn5x1KZdVCAiS6ALeMyQ Palmer27

      Also, how will they handle the difficulty curve? it would be a shame to only need one item in a dungeon.

  • Re-Master

    The way he says “The Wii U Version” often is interesting. Is there a 3DS version in the works?

    • http://about.me/overlordror Ashley King

      No, I think that’s just his way of distinguishing this particular game. This is the first Zelda game for Wii U that hasn’t been a remake.

      We don’t have an official name to call it yet, so it’s just Zelda Wii U until it gets a name.

      • Re-Master

        Makes sense. The way it was worded just sounded interesting.

      • http://www.twitch.tv/insanityraptor/profile InsanityRaptor

        To be fair Hyrule Warriors isn’t a remake…

    • Merry_Blind

      Yeah I thought it was interesting and slightly odd too, but like Ashley said, I’m pretty it’s just that he puts all the Zelda games in the same basket, and just call this one the “Wii U one”.

    • Ducked

      Maybe he says “Wii U version” because there’s no title for it yet.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      I think it might mean that they are considering to make it a multiplat…

      • Yen

        Haha you’re funny.

      • Daniel Gonzalez

        Ouya, PC, Android, and iPhone.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Probably in the phone biz yes. Never understood why Nintendo fanboys thinks that a bad idea.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I would guess making money is a horrible thing. They would make far more if they just stuck to handhelds and phones. Missed opportunity.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            A phone today is way more powerful than the 3DS so why not? Its not like they are satisfied with the 3D function anyways as they made the 2DS. Mobile gaming is the logical step for Nintendo – especially after the pad function on Wii U

          • Re-Master

            I repeat. They would hardly sell ANY hardware! It’s actually a very illogical step. That’s like suggesting Microsoft publish Halo on PlayStation.

          • Re-Master

            They’d lose FAR more money from hardware. No one would by a 3DS if all its games were on phones.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Not necessarily. They could port their old games on mobiles. Why throw make money only through eShop when you can put them on phones and expand on it? I don’t see the harm in it.

          • Re-Master

            Because you’re forgetting that the hardcore market is not the only market that exists. A large number of the 3DS user base is casual/kids. These kids also love phones and tablets, but they love mario etc. The fact that Nintendo games can only be payed on Nintendo consoles sells hardware. And the virtual console is one of Nintendo’s USP’s.

            I don’t see how you can’t see the harm in it. Where’s the call for Sony to bring their franchises to iOS/Android? Or Microsoft?

            No-one can deny that Nintendo’s core franchises, and their exclusivity is most of what keeps Nintendo going. Publishing for other platforms would just be a short term solution, but in the long term it would be considered an admission of failure.

            Surely you understand the basic concept of “Software sells Hardware”?

          • Re-Master

            Are you missing the point?! If all their games were on COMPETING hardware platforms, they’d never sell their hardware. Think man, think!

      • Re-Master

        Was hoping for a slightly more thought-through response.

  • Magnus Eriksson

    Everyone here knows how much I cherish Nintendo and have stood in the front defending them against people who puke their hatred over Nintendo. But today even I have to give up. I feel this is the end of Nintendo. They are pushing this game that havent made a succesful entry since Ocarina of Time in vain. The last time Aonoma got free hands on a Zelda game he made Majoras Mask, and even if its cult today it was a financial failure from Nintendo back then. But this new Zelda looks amazing – however its a dreamcastle in the air.

    Everyone here knows that I held my hope for Wii U to manage it through its rough time. But it seems like thats not going to happen. Powerful voices inside Nintendo seems to want Wii U scrapped – and that means we will unlikely see a Zelda U at all. That makes me sad…

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/12779029/1/nintendo-should-scrap-the-wii-u.html

    • paddle008

      I’m not trying to be mean but your comments are getting kind of old.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        If you dont want to contribute to a healthy debate about honest concerns about Nintendos struggles thats up to you. But I can close my eyes anymore for this trend. And Im apparently not alone either. Here’s why Zelda cant save Wii U:

        http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/05/03/why-the-new-legend-of-zelda-for-wii-u-cant-save-ni.aspx

        • TheRealTruthTeller

          fuck off magnus, you are always calling out with your shitty, unfunny jokes, just leave bro

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Nope, I will stay. Continue to give this page a small dosis of truth, honesty and genuine love for Nintendo.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I think they need a high dose. Some more than others. :P

          • marloc_x

            Sure, but pick the appropriate thread..

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Hmmm? My concerns are mainly about Zelda not being released on Wii U. So how is that unappropriate?

          • Rinslowe

            Tough love. Makes me wanna get a Tattoo….

          • Magnus Eriksson

            I used to be a tattoo artist. Although many years a go…

          • Rinslowe

            I prefer the female variety for what I have in mind. It just wouldn’t feel right asking you to go there…

          • koopapoopas

            Extremely small for sure.

            Your original comment reads like a Fan fic.

          • matthew garcia

            Do you have anything to argue back at him with or are you just gonna keep saying to fuck off

          • BigotPride

            You done messed up! You got Magnus bringing out his alt accounts to get ya!

        • Phoenix Maybe

          Never trust the fools at Motley Fool. All they do is give false financial advise (and this holds true for more than just video game-related stocks) and whine about how they think every major corporation will fall off of financial stability and burn a fiery death.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Why? they have been right so far when it comes to Nintendo. Its almost scary how perfect their predictions have been…

          • Rob Bean

            LOL, that’s because they play both sides.

          • Phoenix Maybe

            And by scary perfect you mean horrendously inaccurate? Now I see why your considered the troll at this site.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            That fine. It doesnt hurt my feelings. I just want to debate over if there is any slight possibilities left for resurrecting the Wii U. But I dont blame you for seeing no hope. Walk in peace!

          • Rinslowe

            Meh. Too many debates. Time for a scotch. You joining?

        • Rinslowe

          Not another Motley fool article…

          They’ve proven themselves the “literal” fool on too many occasions to be credible now.

          I know this won’t mean much without the first two Wii U failure write ups. But it’s enough for intelligent reader to know schizophrenia when they see it… Lol.

          http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/11/27/nintendo-will-be-the-video-game-winner-this-holida.aspx

      • BigotPride

        He is the biggest whiner on this site. Misery loves company.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          Why do you say these cruel things. Dont you understand that I have feelings too?

    • lonewolf88

      again thats just investers saying cancel the wii U yeah the most retarded thing they could do and everyone knows it even them sega is a prime example and nintendo knows this plus as long as the fans don’t want it canceled it won’t be canceled if you do the opposite of what the costumer wants they won’t come back if you argue this point its pretty much like telling someone at a store oh sorry you can’t make that return go fuck yourself. but in the end paddle is right every single comment is doom gloom. please understand….

      • Magnus Eriksson

        It might be scrapped in silence though. Like they did with both the Virtual Boy and Gamecube. I think its possible, and might even be for the best. Wouldnt you like to see Nintendo franchises on other systems? Many more than just a few Nintendo owner could enjoy it. I think thats the unegoistic thing to want. And I dont want to be egoistic :)

        • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

          Nintendo games on other consoles would be like 3rd party on Nintendo consoles, sell like shit. People buy an Xbox for COD and Halo. People buy a PS for Uncharted and other junk. Nintendo’s games would sell poorly. There is a reason Nintendo’s games stay at full price way longer then other games from Sony and Microsoft.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            If so, then they dont deserve to survive in this business. Its a tough world out there you know.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Life’s not fair, you want a Nintendo game you buy a Nintendo console. You don’t see people saying Halo should come to Wii U or PS4.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Course they have. Maybe not to you knowledge, but being around forums for years, I’ve seen my share of it. It’s rather stupid to want Mario on PlayStation, or Uncharted on Xbox, or Halo on Nintendo, but that’s life for ya. I would assume that they’re probably new to gaming, which is the case most of the time.

          • Rinslowe

            but being around forums for years
            Yeah it’s a real pity. I remember you making daily claims that the forums here were far better than the comment section. And for a time you weren’t around to comment much and it was better, lol.
            Makes me wonder; why come back “daily” if the grass was indeed greener?
            Did you get bored? Or was it something else? ….
            :P

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Agreed.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            “There is a reason Nintendo’s games stay at full price way longer then other games from Sony and Microsoft.”

            Because they want to make sure they get their full milking? I’d say so. That’s one area they need work on. A games value eventually falls. Whether it’s Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, price drops are a good thing. It gives consumers who haven’t bought those games, another reason to purchase. Sony and Microsoft got it right. While Nintendo has it’s quality games, they would benefit from a price drop just the same. :P

          • Rinslowe

            This is true. An area that personally I wish Nintendo could adjust. But in the same way you can show objectivity towards corporate decisions like Project Cars. So should you be able to show the very same objectivity for this corporate decision equally. It’s obvious that despite their premium price points. Nintendo’s first party titles sell in the millions. And continue to sell for much longer than your average multiplat on other systems. A good example would be most recently Watchdogs right? I mean great off the mark performance and now “bam” it falls off a cliff. So although for us gamer’s it’s a drag, especially when we try to wait against all logic for those deals. (Sometimes they come along – like the free game bundle with MK8 – but surely the minority). It makes perfect sense from Nintendo’s perspective to do the milking.
            Having said that, if they extended their credit back scheme for Digital titles indefinitely and provided a free game deal on sellers like Smash/ Zelda and Starfox. Then this issue is lessened somewhat imo…

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Wrong its cause Nintendo’s games get bought through out the whole generation, unlike say Assassins Creed where after 3 months nobody buys them anymore. Ubisoft games drop in price no longer then 3 months. EA’s aswell, and so forth.

        • lonewolf88

          the gamecube was never scratched and the hard thing with virtual boy was that the technology wasn’t ready people didn’t know how to develop for it I mean the only color it displayed was red and it was said it gave some people eye problems after a session of playing it comparing the virtual boy honestly to anything isn’t correct just because the virtual boy had so many flaws that could physically mess you up XD honestly after the last few articles I’m starting to wonder if your not just trolling the comment section because honestly your comment deals about 3% of what the article is about and the rest is just doom and gloom you found laying somewhere.

    • Yen

      “They are pushing this game that havent made a succesful entry since Ocarina of Time in vain.”

      Actually looking at your own source, Twilight Princess was after OoT and did pretty well. I’ll also argue that Majora’s Mask was really different from normal Zelda games, with the timed quests feature. I really enjoyed it, but I sometimes felt like the time system gets in the way of enjoying the game to its full potential. Skyward Sword required the motion plus wiimote and was very motion control heavy and it might have turned off some people. That’s how I see the lower SS sales at least.

      “Everyone here knows that I held my hope for Wii U to manage it through its rough time.”

      Might just be me, but after reading your comments for a long time it seems more like you never held any hope for the Wii U. Most of your posts is usually starts with “I love nintendo/WiiU BUT…”. If you said that about a significant other I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t sound right at all.

      In this comment your main argument for why “thats not going to happen” is because there are investors and such that thinks Nintendo should just scrap the system which would be a terrible idea. If you truly believed at all, you’d understand why Nintendo wouldn’t let that happen as you claimed. Fine, Wii U sales are less than spectacular, but in terms of pure sales they can still bring it back up. The other two consoles have slowed down as well, anything can happen. I see Nintendo changing their direction. Instead of trying to make the Wii U something its not, they’re finally focusing on what matters, making great games and the fans. This E3 showed their new commitment to their fans. Instead of giving up on their system, they formed a plan and is trying to reinvigorate the system they built and believe in. They won’t just scrap it after doing all that. If you really believe in Wii U then don’t say they’ll scrap it every other article.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        But dont you think Zelda would do better on PS4 and XB1 instead of being a Wii U only game? If Nintendo went 3rd party they could release games with a) better graphics b) quality games as they had to put the games in focus to make money c) sell more games. It sounds like a nobrainer to me. What do you think?

        • matthew garcia

          They would make more money like that for sure but I think it’s a dignity thing. Nintendo characters have lost popularity though compared to what they use to have

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Why are the fans too proud for Mario on the phone when they celebrate Mario in McDonalds kids menu? I dont understand that… I think it would be wise for Nintendo to expand into mobile gaming. People dont want to buy an expansive console to play a game that would look just as good on a phone.

          • Yen

            Do you really think Mobile devices are powerful enough to match a dedicated game system right now? Maybe in the next decade, but so far I don’t see mobile devices being able to offer the same level of quality a game console could.

          • matthew garcia

            I’m playing final fantasy 3, gta vice city, and baulders gate remastered edition on my phone so it’s by far more then capable. My phone has a 2.3ghz quad-core processor and 3 gigs ram. That destroys a 3ds

          • Yen

            Point taken, I was referring more to home consoles, so let’s consider handhelds. If I remember right, the FF3 on Android devices is a port of the DS version. Here’s a thought, a DS cost $150 at launch near a decade ago. Not sure when you got your phone but it sounds like a pretty recent one, which cost roughly $600 sometimes. I’d be surprised if it can’t run a DS game.

          • matthew garcia

            I have a HTC one m8. I paid 150 for it with my upgrade

          • Yen

            I have that as well. It’s an extremely recent phone and I know it goes for $600. Yes you got it cheap with an upgrade, but that means at some point you paid that amount for your other phones anyway. There’s also the cost of the monthly bills, unless you don’t use it as a phone and only as a gaming device. You mentioned having a moga which have to be bought separately. Why not just get a handheld at that point?

          • matthew garcia

            I have a 3ds but I can’t play baulders gate or anomaly 2 on it. Final fantasy 9 is even coming to mobile can’t play that on 3ds. Mobile has some great games just like 3ds

          • Yen

            Balders Gate and Anomaly 2 can be played on PC. Wasn’t FF9 on PlayStation Network a while back? Can’t play on 3DS but can still be played on other systems.

          • matthew garcia

            You can play those games on other systems but my phone is always with me and not my pc or PlayStation. Not even my 3ds is with me all the time. Nice to see games in hd also unlike 3ds

          • Yen

            You can bring your 3DS with you just like you bring your phone. Yes it’s convenient if it’s all on your phone that you have with you at all times, but that’s no reason for a company to abandon its own hardware. I also don’t see a need for HD graphics on such a small screen even on smartphones now days.

          • matthew garcia

            I enjoy 1080p on a small screen. If the luxury is there I mean why not. The last game I got on my 3ds was bravely default and I thought that was an awesome game. I don’t buy 3ds games often though

          • Yen

            Currently playing that right now, and looking at all the AR card videos they’ve made I feel like they did pretty well for the amount of pixels they had. Yes, if the luxury is there, go for it, but why should Nintendo make games for it over it’s own system just because it has a better screen? If Nintendo cared about that they could simply put in a 1080 screen.

          • matthew garcia

            Oh I’m not saying Nintendo should put there games on mobile I’m just saying mobile gaming is a viable option

          • Yen

            Well, other problems I see with it is the control style. You’d have to either use touch screen only or use an attachment. There’s also the fact that phones have to allocate resources to other applications, limiting what the game can use greatly. I know it’s a viable option, but I don’t see it replacing a dedicated gaming handheld.

          • matthew garcia

            Well 3ds is selling actually quite a bit worse then ds so I would say mobile gaming has had a big impact on it.

          • Yen

            How much worse though? The DS sold about 40-50 million in it’s first 3 years I think. The 3DS is in its forth year and also selling around 40 million.

          • matthew garcia

            Just looked up ds lifetime sales and my god it was a 154million lol. 3ds won’t get close to that

          • Yen

            No I don’t think it’ll get to DS life time sales without something big happening. But going year by year, it’s not that far behind right now. Looking up sales data a bit more, 3 years in had the DS at about 60+ million. So no, 3DS isn’t doing as well, but still pretty good entering its 4th year.

          • matthew garcia

            3ds is actually doing good it’s just not making up for how bad the Wii u has sold. When ds was out it was selling like crazy but so was the original Wii

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            And the battery dies in 30 minutes. You kids today are full of shit. A PHONE is for PHONING PEOPLE NOTHING ELSE. Whats next you need a toaster that can play games cause you can’t wait a minute for your bread to toast?

          • matthew garcia

            I have a moga controller so it feels just like a handheld except with a big 1080p screen. It’s actually not bad at all

          • Daniel Gonzalez
          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Well that was terrible.

          • Daniel Gonzalez
          • matthew garcia

            Obviously with the specs I just showed a phone is no longer just for phoning lol. It’s a computer in your pocket

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Which is highly unnecessary. The amount of time people can be away from technology is like what? 60 seconds these days.

          • matthew garcia

            I agree that it is to much sometimes but highly useful at times as well. I use my phone to process effects from my guitar to my amplifier and it sounds great. Smart phones do tend to take people’s life away from what’s reality especially with social media. Because of this people don’t hardly even talk anymore and it really has taken away from how people should communicate. People actually fall in love on the internet and they never even met lol. This stuff constantly keeps people glued to there phones and I don’t like it.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Mhm. I use my Cell phone for phoning, texting, and playing a bit of Plants Vs Zombies 2 for 30 minutes lol. Nothing else.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            I think phones and pads have better graphics than all Nintendo games I have seen this generation. I dont see any reason for this Mario Kart 8 not to be able to play on a phone:

          • Yen

            Better graphics or more intense graphics? What game? So far I haven’t seen any Android game with graphics that really surprised me.

            I think it can run MK8 but with the quality greatly reduced. Also, can it put out the same amount of online capability at affordable cost? Right now, my phone has trouble sometime just loading a youtube video. Now imagine a more intensive game like Hyrule Warriors. I don’t think they’d be able to generate nearly as many moblins on a phone.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Have fun, having your phone battery die in 30 minutes.

          • darkcreap

            Woooooowww. Is it 1080p???

          • bistricky

            LMFAO

          • Rinslowe

            No need to slam Mario Kart 9 like that!!!
            It’s in the development stage. Obviously.

        • Yen

          In terms of sales, I don’t think it’d do any better if it was multiplatform. Take Skyward Sword for example, Wii had the biggest install base, it can be said that anyone with a PS3/Xbox360 had access to a Wii somehow. If they didn’t pick up Skyward then I doubt having it on another system would have sold more than another million. No game by itself is a system seller imo, but a good Zelda game can turn a lot of heads. Considering the Wii U can be gotten fairly cheap chances are people would buy a Wii U to play the new Zelda if another game also catches their eye. For example, Hyrule Warrior is looking pretty good. I can see these together being enough to convince someone.

          Here’s what I think, I think Nintendo can make games with better graphics than anyone, but CHOSE not to. Even if they were making a Zelda for PS4 or XB1 they’ll probably still go with cel shading if they feel like it. The Wii U is the lowest of the three in power, but that doesn’t make it useless. If Nintendo wanted to, they can make the most realistic looking Zelda yet. I won’t lie that I wasn’t slightly disappointed that they decided to go a different direction from the tech demo they showed last year, but what matters is the game itself not how it looks. Windwaker looked cartoonish and childlike, but most people agree that it was a good game. I think this time they chose to go with less intense graphics in order to focus more on the open worldness of the game. Personally I think cel shading looks great and I’m excited to see how the final game will look.

          I don’t feel like I need to say too much for quality. Nintendo games have always been of high quality.

          • darkcreap

            “Here’s what I think, I think Nintendo can make games with better graphics than anyone, but CHOSE not to”. To be honest here, we should take into account Nintendo’s delays to deliver certain games precisely because they didn’t adapt to HD development the previous generation.

          • Yen

            Not adapting to HD development was a mistake in investment I think. Back then there were also people that believed that HD wouldn’t last. HD TVs were so expensive at the time it was thought of as a fad. People said the same about DVDs and Blu-Rays at some point too and look where we are now. Nintendo didn’t invest in it early and it caused a set back, however, Nintendo has also made up for that, by making good use of what they do have and making it look great.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Also they have made many lies about this. Promising games in 1080p but wasnt able to pull that off with the Wii U.

          • C4

            It probably can do Mario Galaxy easily in 1080p but not Mario Kart 8. It’s amazing how good Mario Kart 8 still looks in 2 player split-screen though my first impression was there is no graphics quality drop at all.

            I’d rather have them release more games in 720p then doing some games (except Smash Bros) in higher res which then takes more time to optimize :)

          • Rinslowe

            Resolution matters but not in all situations all the time equally. That’s not to say Mario Kart 8 wouldn’t look that bit better in full native 1080p. I’d say it would. But that’s really just to say Mario Kart 8 still looks absolutely gorgeous in 720p 60fps. And that’s a fact.
            If Nintendo can maintain that level of programming/ visuals and performance in upcoming titles while improving again in game mechanics, story, scope and online functionality etc.. etc..
            Then I’m satisfied for what I’ll get out of the platform, when all is said and done…

          • darkcreap

            I think they thought they could get more from the hardware, maybe? Maybe they are either still learning or the WiiU should have had a little bit more power. Maybe it is a mix of the two.

            Nevertheless, for me, the games they have shown so far look very good to me. Especially Mario Kart 8. Even if it is not 1080p.

          • Rinslowe

            Exactly. In fact if you take Kart for eg at any given point the texture quality and LOD implementation is even higher than many of the best “realistic” styled titles on last gen systems. Not to mention the step forward in deferred lighting. Almost every light source in the game effects the character and the kart individually. It’s impressive stuff.

          • Rinslowe

            I’d say you’re right about Zelda. It’s never the big system seller but it can sway opinions and turn heads. Almost all Zelda’s receive positive media and gamer reviews alike. And there is a solid loyal fanbase of near cult status.
            Hyrule Warriors was an odd mixture though. I would have said another game like Mario Kart 8 or Smash Bros would be enough to entice new blood to the system. If Zelda delivers on being the open world with a tight story and mechanics. Then I think a lot of traditional & modern RPG fans of other platforms may watch with interest. If the game holds true after release and maintains it’s hype. Through playthroughs/ reviews etc.. etc.. I can see a humble no’ of them taking the dive. Out of curiosity. The fact it’s an exclusive should help in that department.

        • koopapoopas

          No. It would be watered down and not Nintendo-like.

          • matthew garcia

            I would love a more realistic darker Zelda that makes link look like more of a badass. That’s just me though I guess

          • Magnus Eriksson

            I think the new Zelda looks very good – almost too good to be true. And thats likely the truth too. This game will never be released, but is a sneaky way from Nintendo to try to trick people into buying the last stock of manufactured Wii Us. After that they will pull the plug and cancel all games. That would be typical Nintendo thing to do.

          • Ducky

            ….not sure if trolling or full retard

          • matthew garcia

            There will be madness if your prediction is correct lol

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Doubt it.

          • 00EpicGamer00

            It’s not just you, friend. I wish Nintendo would make a sequel to Twilight Princess or another Zelda game similar to that. I want another dark “realistic” Zelda game.

          • matthew garcia

            Yeah the part that’s bad about it is that the fans talk about that all the time and Nintendo seems to ignore it. They really like to avoid a more serious zelda

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            I think they’re afraid people won’t like it, which is pretty silly. I don’t think Nintendo fans would mind one way or another. They really need to wake up.

          • matthew garcia

            Yeah I agree. Maybe they just don’t know how lol

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            They had years to figure it out. That’s what happens when you don’t keep up with the times. That 80’s/90’s mentality needs to go and make way for reality.

          • matthew garcia

            They really messed up by not going hd with the original Wii. I know it sold well but now it seems to have bit them in the ass. They have to play catch up now

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            They’ve been playing catch up for years. You’d think they’d learn by now. They had a whole gen to learn how to develop HD games. With their current direction, it’ll most likely remain that way. Personally, it’s a shame that a company that brought me great products like NES, SNES and Gameboy during my childhood, can’t break out of their comfort zone and dominate like they once did. Then again, they didn’t really have any real competition until Sony entered the picture. Sega was great, but weren’t strong enough to put a real dent in the market during the heyday.

          • Rinslowe

            If you had played titles like Pikmin 3, SM3DW and Kart especially. You’d know that the development learning curve side of HD programming is well in the past. A side effect of launching a product early to beat the competition to the punch. Unfortunately with the opposite effect due to lacking those titles people wanted to invest in at the time following hype sales/ launch etc…

            But ultimately, this type of comment is yet further proof you’re losing touch with whats going on in Nintendo – in that regard. Again, if you’d actually played those games you’d know their technical quality. Like everybody else.
            Just sayin.
            :)

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            No different from now. :P

        • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

          No, doesn’t work that way. A Nintendo game on a console thats not Nintendo’s becomes no longer a Nintendo game. It becomes a generic brown and grey realistic shooter. Sony and Microsoft are closer to going 3rd party, Nintendo will NEVER make a game on another console ever. They go down their games go with them get that in you skull.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Never believe everything you read.

          • Rinslowe

            Haha. Who are you trying to convince? Him or yourself… Lol.

    • Graham Gillman

      That is quite literally the stupidest most uninformed article I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        why? i think it was quite convincing.

        • Graham Gillman

          It was full of cliches, it was inaccurate, and if they were to give up on a system this early, they would Dreamcast the system and lose a huge percent of their user base.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            The truth is that Wii U have sold way less than Dreamcast. Its actually more comparable to the sales of Virtual Boy more than anything else…

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            Dreamcast for sure at this moment of time. As is, it’s probably looking to sell less than the Gamecube. That’s certainly steps back from where they were last gen.

          • Rinslowe

            It’s getting close to lifetime no’s. Actual Wii U sales should be sitting a little over 7m right now. With the games on the way this year, end of this year like Smash. Next Year with Splatoon and Zelda + Starfox etc…
            It’ll definitely be leaving the Dreamcast behind. So no practical need to still be making this comparison now. Whether it reaches or surpasses Gamecube no’s is a good question. But if you look at the realities on the situation for all platforms. Which have shown it impossible to maintain that same kind of explosive sales force that they did at launch. All three consoles for that matter. It doesn’t look like any of them will be breaking records on lifetime sales.

          • matthew garcia

            Ps4 broke the launch day record with a million sold on 1st day. That’s a good start

          • Rinslowe

            I have no idea why you would choose to even try and debate that point at this stage. Please kindly read the following; “But if you look at the realities of the situation for all platforms. Which have shown it impossible to maintain that same kind of explosive sales force that they did at launch.” (As per above).
            No-one is debating the launch period. But what we can see happening now. After launch is every indication that sales are simmering down. Obviously I had acknowledged the launch period adequately no?

            If you believe PS4, Xbox One or Wii U will continue to perform as they all did to various degrees during launch for the remainder of their time on the market. Or that they are in fact not trending down as we speak. Then that’s your prerogative mate…

          • matthew garcia

            I never said the sales would remain this high. I just said it was a good start. Cmoooooon you know that was a good start and you know it’s still in high demand at this moment. I’m sure it will slow down more but hasn’t yet. Ps3 hit over 80 million and ps4 are blowing ps3 sales away in its time frame. I’m sure it could match that or more

          • Rinslowe

            You can stop implying that I even tried to state that it wasn’t a good launch. Why would you want to take that road? Lol.

            What I did say again seeing as though you’re having a hard time absorbing that fact is as follows:

            “But if you look at the realities of the situation for all platforms. Which have shown it impossible to maintain that same kind of explosive sales force that they did at launch.”

            For the final time. No-one is debating the launch period for any platform Mathew. Why you feel the need to steer the discussion in that direction is questionable. I assume you have a decent level of reading comprehension… Right?

            And yes the reality for each platform as it is “today” as that although demand may still be high – high is not a quantifiable no’. It is a subjective statement that can cover a variety of scenario’s including the one that actually exists is that sales for all platforms are trending down.

          • matthew garcia

            My reading comprehension is just fine lol. You said that it doesn’t seem like any of these consoles will be breaking any lifetime records. All I said well ps4 broke a day 1 sales record and that’s a good start to reach a lifetime sales record fool lol

          • Rinslowe

            How does the launch prove lifetime performance? If your reading comprehension was in fact fine. You would have noticed the context of the statement as in “by the time each system retires” as in “lifetime no’s”. Again “in” context…
            Sorry to sound like a prick here Mathew. But that was obvious. And yet here you are still defending a technicality of lifetime sales at the time of launch, lol.
            Like I’ve said more than once. “No-one” is “debating” the launch period buddy…

            “All I said well ps4 broke a day 1 sales record and that’s a good start to reach a lifetime sales record fool lol”
            Noted your attempt at “name calling” lol. No need to get frustrated here…

          • matthew garcia

            Wii u will be lucky to hit 20million lifetime sales. GameCube lifetime sales were 21million and Wii u is selling quite a bit worse then GameCube in its time frame. So that may even be out of reach

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            With little support from third parties, it’s going to be tough for it to hit 20 million. 1st party sales are about the only thing selling, and even those aren’t going to be in the double digits this time around. Not at it’s current state, anyways.

          • matthew garcia

            I’m gonna predict 17.5 million

          • Rinslowe

            I also don’t know if Wii U can realistically hit 20m. It may or it may not…
            PS4 probably 40-50m max.
            Xbox One I’d say lifetime sales may only compete with Wii U, when all is said and done.

            None of this implies a lack of defining experiences for each platform respectively though. Nor does it imply a financial failure for each entity as they are most likely all to post profits by the time the next generation arrives.

            It is something to consider though on the current direction of the console industry as a whole, imo.
            Seems there needs to be a paradigm shift in the experience or it will continue on it’s current course…

          • matthew garcia

            Ps4 is selling at a much faster rate then ps3 and ps3 sold 80million so I’m gonna say ps4 will sale that much or more. If Xbox sales around the same as Wii u then that means PlayStation took a lot of 360 customers away and that will just add more to there numbers

          • Rinslowe

            Yes I got that you believe PS4 will out perform PS3…

          • matthew garcia

            But hey I could be wrong

          • Rinslowe

            I think you will be. But that’s not a big deal is it? Just a difference of opinion.
            I think it’ll be lucky to hit more than 50m sales worldwide by the time the next generation starts. With whoever decides to start it…

    • Nintenjoe82

      Are you worried it will be a massive open world Zelda with a 20 minute time limit before the sun sets and Link turns into a Pikmin?

      • Magnus Eriksson

        Im afraid that there wont be any Zelda at all. Its supposed to come in 2015 and if that would be true we should have seen much more than we have. I think its just a desperate move to get as many customers to spend their money on Wii U before the project is scrapped.

        • Nintenjoe82

          I think Ubisoft have proven how easy it is to make an amazing looking teaser a year before slapping some polygons together and calling it a game. I have faith Nintendo can surpass Ubisoft in this respect.

          We will find out a few years later that they had to cut out a few dungeons and replace them with a 100hr Hyrule Field farming quest but other than that Zelda U is going to be the best game on Wii U.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Hahaha! That sounded so horrible :D

        • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

          Uh no, they will show more when they want. Super Mario 3D World was revealed in January then came out that year, other games are teased, by that judgment you could say Uncharted 4 wont be out next year. Nintendo doesn’t say here’s a game we want to show you and then it never shows up.

          • Magnus Eriksson

            Oh no? They do it all the time! Look here:

            Famicom:

            Arc Hound (available on the NES as Contra Force)

            Deep Dungeon (available only on the Disk System)

            Monster Party (released on the NES by Bandai)

            Ninja Cop Saizou 2

            Rune Master

            Seiken Densetsu: The Emergence of Excalibur (Moved to the SNES)

            Spirit Animal Genesis

            NES

            10th Frame (Available for PC)

            A Boy and His Blob 2

            The Addams Family 2 (Available on Game Boy and SNES)

            American Crisis

            Arcadia VI

            Backgammon

            Bee 52 (Aladdin)

            Big Nose: The Witch Doctor

            Bio Force Ape

            Black Tiger

            Blaster Master 2 (Available on Genesis)

            California Raisins: The Grape Escape

            Card Sharks

            Caveman Ninja (Released as Joe and Mac)

            Cheetahmen II

            Crash ‘n the Boys: Ice Challenge (only released in Japan, US version canceled)

            Creation

            Deja Vu II: Lost in Las Vegas (Later released on Game Boy Color)

            Dr. Franken (Unreleased Prototype, available for Game Boy)

            Drac’s Night Out (Not commercially released)

            Final Fantasy IV (Moved to the SNES)

            Genjuu Souseki

            Happy Camper

            Hard Drivin’

            Hoppin Mad

            Hit the Ice (Not commercially released — only released on Game Boy and SNES)

            Inspector Gadget (Available on SNES)

            John Madden Football

            Kitty’s Catch

            The Legend of Zelda: The Triforce of Saga (Later turned into The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past for the SNES)

            Licence to Kill

            Married… With Children

            Mii (Concept moved to Wii)

            Monster Party II

            New Kids on the Block

            Off Zarken

            The Price is Right

            Return of Donkey Kong

            RoboCop versus The Terminator (Available for SNES and Game Boy)

            Secret Ties (Not commercially released)

            Solomon’s Key 2 (Released as Fire & Ice)

            Space Ace

            Sim City (Moved to the SNES)

            Spy vs Spy: The Island Caper

            Street Fighter 2

            Sunman (Not commercially released)

            Super Password

            Talking Super Password

            Time Diver: Eon Man (Not commercially released)

            Titan Warriors (Not commercially released)

            USA Bowling

            SNES

            Final Fantasy VII (Moved to the PlayStation)

            FX Fighter — (Available for PC)

            GoldenEye 007 (Moved to the N64)

            Kid Icarus SNES

            Mortal Kombat: Arena Edition

            Mutant League Hockey

            RHI Roller Hockey 95

            The Shadow

            Socks the Cat Rocks the Hill

            Sound Fantasy

            Star Fox 2

            Steven Segal: The Final Option (Redesigned as Deadly Honor for Nintendo 64 and PlayStation)

            Super Mario FX (Later became Super Mario 64 on the N64)

            Ultrabots

            Virtual Boy

            Star Fox (Virtual Boy) (There was a game in production for the Virtual Boy called Red Alarm, and it had a very close plot to the Star Fox game)

            N64

            1080 Snowboarding 2 — (Moved to the GCN under the name of 1080 Avalanche)

            40 Winks — (N64 version cancelled, available for PlayStation [With a Nintendo Power quote on it])

            64 Wars

            Alien Trilogy- (Available on Sega Saturn and PlayStation)

            Animal Forest- (USA and European release cancelled, available for Gamecube as Animal Crossing)

            BassMasters 2000 — (Appeared at E3 1999, but cancelled)

            Beetle Adventure Racing 2

            Buggie Boogie

            Cabbage

            Catroots

            Climber

            Conker’s Quest (Remade as Conker’s Bad Fur Day)

            Die Hard Trilogy- (Available on PlayStation and Sega Saturn)

            Dinosaur Planet — (Moved to GCN under as Star Fox Adventures)

            Disney’s Dinosaur — (Available on PlayStation)

            Doubutsu Banchou — (Moved to the GCN under the name of Cubivore: Survival of the Fittest)

            Dragon Quest VII- (Moved to PlayStation

            Earthbound 64 — (Cancelled, then revived and released for the GBA as Mother 3)

            Echo Delta

            Eternal Darkness: Sanity’s Requiem — (Moved to the GCN)

            F1 ’98

            Final Fantasy VII — (Moved to the PlayStation)

            Fire Emblem 64 — (Moved to the GCN as Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and as Fire Emblem for GBA)

            First Samurai 64

            Freak Boy

            Glover 2

            Harrier 2001

            Hello Kitty 64

            HeroQuest 64

            Jack and the Beanstalk

            Japan Pro Golfer 64

            Joust 64

            Jungle Emperor Leo

            Kameo: Elements of Power — (Moved to the Xbox 360)

            Kirby Air Ride — (Moved to the GCN)

            Looney Tunes: Space Race

            Luigi’s Mansion — (Moved to the GCN)

            Mario Artist: Sound Maker

            Mega Man 64 2 — (Remade as Mega Man Legends 2 for PlayStation)

            Metroid 64

            Mini Racers

            NBA Showtime 2000

            NHL Blades of Steel 2000

            Nightmare Creatures II

            O.D.T. — (Available for PlayStation & PC)

            Pilotwings 64 2

            Pitfall

            Pokémon Colosseum — (Moved to the GCN)

            Pokémon de Panepon 64 — (Japanese Release of Pokémon Puzzle League, available in USA and Europe)

            Powerslide

            Project Cairo

            Quest 2

            Quest for Camelot 64

            Red Baron

            Renegade Racers

            Resident Evil 0 — (Moved to the GCN)

            Resident Evil 3: Nemesis- (Available on PlayStation, Sega Dreamcast, GCN and PC)

            Robotech: Crystal Dreams — (Moved to the GCN)

            Sea-Doo HydroCross — (Available for PlayStation)

            Shadowgate Rising

            Sin and Punishment- (USA release cancelled)

            SimCopter 64

            Smurfs 64

            Super Mario 64 2 — (Moved to the GCN under the name of Super Mario Sunshine)

            Sydney 2000 — (Available for PlayStation and Dreamcast)

            Teo

            Ura Zelda — (Remade and moved to GCN under the name “Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest”)

            GameCube

            Alias — (Available on PC)

            Area 51 — (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Army Men: Air Cavalry

            Banjo-Threeie (Cancelled due to Microsoft’s purchase of Rare)

            Barbie Horse Adventures: Wild Horse Rescue — (Available on PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts (Available for PlayStation 2, Xbox, and PSP)

            Conker’s Other Bad Fur Day (Remade as Conker: Live & Reloaded on the Xbox)

            Crash Twinsanity — (Cancelled due to poor sales of the PlayStation 2 & Xbox versions.)

            The Crocodile Hunter

            Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Available for PlayStation 2, Xbox and Game Boy Advance)

            Damage Inc.

            Dead Phoenix

            DK Bongo Blast (Moved to Wii as Donkey Kong Barrel Blast)

            Donkey Kong Racing

            Dr. Seuss The Cat in the Hat (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Driv3r (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Family Guy: The Video Game (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Fight For Your Right

            Futurama (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Grabbed by the Ghoulies (Moved to the Xbox)

            Gravity Games Bike (GameCube version cancelled, available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Guilty Gear X2 (Available for PlayStation 2)

            Jonny Moseley’s Mad Trix 2

            Joust

            Juiced (Available on PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Kameo: Elements of Power (Moved to the Xbox 360)

            Kirby GCN (Moved to the Wii and evolved into Kirby’s Return to Dream Land)

            Kirby Tilt ‘N’ Tumble GCN

            Mace Griffin: Bounty Hunter (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Mario 128 (Concept used for Pikmin and Super Mario Galaxy)

            Marionette

            Meowth’s Party (GC Tech Demo, unlockable video in Pokémon Channel)

            NARC (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            NASCAR Thunder 2004 (Available for PlayStation 2 and Xbox)

            NFL Retro Football

            NHL Hitz Pro (European version)

            Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball

            Perfect Dark Zero (Moved to the Xbox 360)

            Pilotwings

            Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Rally Fusion: Race of Champions (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Raven Blade

            Richard Burns Rally (Available for PC, PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            RTX Red Rock (Available for PlayStation 2)

            Shaun Murray’s Pro Wakeboarder (Available on PlayStation 2 & Xbox as Wakeboarding Unleashed Featuring Shaun Murray)

            Shaun Palmer’s Pro Snowboarder 2

            Showdown: Legends of Wrestling (Available for Xbox)

            Spy Hunter 2 (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Stage Debut

            StarCraft: Ghost

            The Suffering (Available for PlayStation 2 & Xbox)

            Thunder Rally

            Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter — (Available for PlayStation 2, Xbox and Xbox 360)

            Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear

            Too Human — (Moved to the Xbox 360)

            Travis Pastrana’s Pro Moto X

            Super Monkey Ball 3 (Moved to the Wii)

            Super Paper Mario (Moved to the Wii)

            Super Mario Galaxy (Moved to the Wii)

            The Movies

            Yoshi platformer (Moved to Nintendo DS as Yoshi Touch & Go)

            Wii

            Dance Factory (Available for PlayStation 2)

            Jon & Kate Plus 8 — (Available on Nintendo DS)

            Project H.A.M.M.E.R.

            Sadness

            Sonic the Hedgehog (Port of Xbox 360 version cancelled in favor of Sonic & the Secret Rings)

            Stuntman: Demolition

            Pikmin 3 (Moving to Wii U)

            Witches (All regions)

            Digimon

            Wii U

            Aliens: Colonial Marines

            Ashes Cricket 13

            Battlefield

            Crysis 3

            Metro: Last Light

            Pac-Man Museum

            Young Justice: Legacy

            Game Boy/Color

            Denetsu no Starfy (Moved to GBA)

            Dino Crisis

            Game Boy Music

            Kirby’s Dream Land 2 DX

            The Legend of Zelda: Mystical Seed of Courage (third version of Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons)

            Mega Man V (Game Boy Color enhanced version)

            Metroid II: Return of Samus DX

            Resident Evil

            Rhino Rumble Puzzle

            San Francisco Rush: Extreme Racing

            South Park

            Trap Gunner

            Game Boy Advance

            A Boy and His Blob

            Aero the Acro-Bat 2

            Alien vs. Predator

            Battland

            Diddy Kong Pilot — (Revamped and released as Banjo-Pilot)

            Donkey Kong Coconut Crackers — (Remade and released as It’s Mr. Pants!)

            Donkey Kong Plus

            Game & Watch Gallery Advance — (only Japan, which would have been known as Game Boy Gallery 4)

            Luna Blaze

            Mega Man Anniversary Collection

            Mega Man Mania

            Oggy and the Cockroaches

            Pocket Music

            Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense

            Nintendo DS

            A Boy And His Blob DS (while the NES franchise didn’t make a return on the DS as initially planned, it was later revived on the Wii)

            Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (Japan only)

            America’s Next Top Model — (U.S. Exclusive Release, Available in UK)

            Baten Kaitos DS

            Balloon Trip (tech demo, evolved into Yoshi Touch & Go

            Black & White Creatures

            Crash Landed

            Halo DS

            Jam With the Band (American release only)

            Jet Impulse (outside Japan)

            Katamari Damacy

            Lizzie McGuire & That’s So Raven

            Mobile Suit Gundam Seed

            Super Pac-Man Pinball

            Sonic DS(Cancelled in favor of Sonic Rush)

            Tokyo Xtreme Racer DRIFT

            Wander Donkey

            Nintendo 3DS

            Assassin’s Creed: Lost Legacy

            Bomberman 3DS

            DJ Hero 3D

            Mega Man Legends 3

            My Garden

            Saint’s Row: Drive-by

            Arcade

            Star Fox Arcade (May have been Star Fox Assault)

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            I’ve heard of almost none of those which means all those listed I haven’t heard of may as well never have even been made to begin with.

    • BigotPride

      I would be inclined to agree, but I like turtles

    • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

      What kinda of drugs are you on. Zelda U wont happen? Bitch be crazy. And Windwaker was a fantastic Zelda game after Ocarina. Ocarina is still the best yes, but Windwaker was amazing.

      • Magnus Eriksson

        Agree, Wind Waker was good, at least the first 3/4. The shards part was a bit unecessarly I think. I liked Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword too…

        • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

          While the Triforce Shards could have been done a bit differently, I didn’t mind it as a kid.

    • Rinslowe

      I’ll have a crack at it then Magnus. What makes this whole idea that Nintendo should scrap the Wii U “now” an absolute failure is simple. Firstly, they’re just starting to see gains in install base. Positive trending. With high growing attach rates and high software sales. In other words, with what has been happening recently, should they manage to continue forward in this way. Nintendo has every chance of being able to recuperate investments of the platform. With even a chance that they can together with their 3DS product positively effect the bottom line. It would make complete sense to stay the course. The alternative is just as simple. Should Nintendo ditch the Wii U “now”. Their R&D division will then need to begin implementing exact designs on the next system, moving to prototyping and testing etc.. Which would then take yet more time to recuperate. Add that on top of Wii U’s financial issues now and it’s like replacing a difficult situation with an impossible one. And hoping on luck to get you through. No-ones doing that. Sorry actually, there was one company that did exactly that. Not once but three times lol… Yeeah. Now their world famous mascot is parading around on Nintendo’s console.
      From prototyping and testing goes manufacturing/ licensing with key component makers – CPU/ GPU being the most obvious. Including whatever else this “new” design would incorporate. And the costs just keep adding up. Then there’s hardware and software on the studios side. Game development on Wii U would then get canned. Budgets reassigned for new projects. All this happening in “real” time. Not GOD made the Universe the World and everything in it in 7 days kinda thing. But “real” time…
      But I guess, the most important factor to consider would be the negative impact such a move would create, with Nintendo’s loyal fanbase. The 3.5m gamer’s that bought into Wii U at launch and the remaining 3.5 – 4m gamer’s that have jumped on board the Wii U train since then. And how “ditching” the Wii U now would be received by that existing community. I guarantee you, the loss of confidence that would create would have a much longer lasting effect than the monetary value can indicate. And the sole reason why Nintendo would never likely “ditch” the Wii U platform early.
      As one of those gamer’s, news like this means very little to me. As I am reminded every time I choose to power up my console. That Nintendo experiences are as good as they’ve ever been…

      • Magnus Eriksson

        I must admit that I admire your patience to answer obvious trolling with long, well formulated and serious arguments. You are one of the few with this quality here on this page. Kudos!

        • Rinslowe

          To be honest. I kinda detected that. But couldn’t help myself. That way we cover both sides of the extreme. There are some individuals that may from time to time frequent the internet. That could be kept up because of your tolling. Lol…
          I just provide the equaliser.

        • JB

          I’d just rather be mad at you and tell you to sod off. It’s easier. ;-)

  • EmperorIng1268

    Sweet!

  • Piper2381

    I’m excited for this (game) journey

  • oontz

    This will be a most excellent adventure!

    • Rinslowe

      Yes Ted Theodore Logan it will be.

      • oontz

        :)

  • Lightproud

    as long as all that grass can still be cut i’ll be happy

    • Smileyface97

      *looks at the vast amounts of swaying grass* well links had a vacuum before, whey can’t he have a lawnmower! no but seriously, I hope all that grass can be cut.

    • ConCity Soldier

      I like the long grass. I just hope not every place on the game has the same high grass. Balance is key!

    • WolfgangAmadeusMozart
      • Capt. Smoker

        One doesn’t simply cut the grass… http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda09/Walkthrough/04/003.png

        • darkcreap

          I finished this game some months ago. It looks great. Even the original Wind Waker aged really well. The new Zelda WiiU has the potential to age well too. It looks awesome. They chose the artstyle very wisely. If the gameplay and soundtrack are as good as the visuals, it could be a great Zelda game. I have the feeling it is gonna be.

          • Capt. Smoker

            Completely agree, some games from the old days I can’t go back to, but give me a good art style that ages well like wind waker, legend of mana, chrono trigger, Valkyrie profile, final fantasy ix, etc etc, they’ll last till the end of time, I honestly love the art style they went with, was a cross of twilight princess (best zelda ost for me) and wind waker on skyward sword and it looks like they’ve stuck to it here and highly improved on it.

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            The new Zelda’s art style is more like a cross between Skyward Sword and Wind Waker.

          • Capt. Smoker

            Aye :) which is why I said they’ve highly improved on it.

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            Indeed

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            The only thing I didn’t like was that I think the HD destroyed the cel shaded look and instead made the characters look clay like, but that’s just my opinion.

          • darkcreap

            Yep, I agree, technically the HD upgrade changed the art style in some way. Nevertheless, I don’t personally dislike it. The good thing is that everything seems smoother in shapes, but yes, I get what you mean.

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            Exactly. I don’t get why they didn’t give it a more soft look like the new Zelda is going for compared to the more embossed look of Wind Waker HD. I guess it was a compromise for them.

      • Rinslowe

        Just think of all the things you could by with “all.. those.. rupee’s!”
        :)

        But no, they don’t give you a larger pouch, until three quarters of the way through the game.
        >:( grrr…

        • WolfgangAmadeusMozart

          In Skyward Sword, the biggest wallet upgrade can carry 9000 rupees, and you could also purchase three Extra Wallets that can carry 300 rupees each, that makes a total of 9900 rupees.

          Chances are the wallets in the next game will be huge. And maybe the items will be more expensive.

          • Rinslowe

            Yes I think so. Lol. The “Tycoon Wallet”. Something I could respect.
            Of course I was being sarcastic towards the game earlier, for fun.
            If cutting down grass is indeed a returning factor with this new Zelda like all others then… the “Tycoon Wallet” will need an upgrade too.

      • nin-10-doughfan

        pakalolo?

    • Nintenjoe82

      As long as there are plenty of fish to catch in the huge Zora Kingdom I will be happier…………

      Pumpkin collection can go fuck itself though.

    • Ducked

      Believe it or not, if you take a walk outside, there’s a chance your find grass somewhere !

    • Ducky

      OH THE RUPEES!

    • Dark Lord Sauron

      and throw pots too

  • Smileyface97

    “…if you just think you can continue walking freely, beyond the mountains… you will just continue to walk until you’re very far away”
    So, I know that he’s simply saying it’s open world, period. I can’t help but wonder though; what if you CAN walk beyond the mountains. After the E3 presentation I was taking a look at the map of hyrule and figuring out what’s what. I found something that I’d forgotten about. In Zelda II you travel far beyond the usual hyrule area, into the greater hyrule area. Could this game let you go beyond the mountains… that would be pretty cool. Below is supplied the OoT map and the Z2LA map. the bottom left of the Z2LA map is actually the entire OoT map.

    • Magnus Eriksson

      “I wouldn’t say that I’ve ever made a bad game, per se, but a game I think we could have done more with was Zelda II: The Adventure of Link,” he said.

      A hint about the new Zelda?

      http://kotaku.com/shigeru-miyamotos-bad-game-514017583

      • Fiercedeitymelkor

        I don’t think so. All he’s saying in regards to zelda 2 was that the load times were slightly too long and he would’ve liked the enemies to be bigger.

        • C4

          And the sword. It’s more like a dagger then a sword ._.

          • Fiercedeitymelkor

            Haha yea. A roll going into an attack would’ve been nice as well.

          • chris

            You guys, stop making me want something I will never have =(

    • http://www.mpt-online.eu/ Sylux

      I forgot how big the world was in Zelda 2. Nostalgia to see this map again thx for that.

      • Smileyface97

        No problem. I bring up the theory, however I don’t really believe it. Looking at the images from E3 we can see a MASSIVE world. If my theory is correct, we would be getting a world equivalent to 4 of that shot of hyrule field. It’s possible, but sadly, probably unlikely.

        • Magnus Eriksson

          I think you are onto something here :)

  • JB

    Totally off topic, but Best Buy is having a Deal of the Day for the Wii U Fit game, Balance Board and Fit Meter for 59.99 for anyone that’s interested. :-)

  • Ducked

    My question is will this come out before or after Star Fox?

    • Phoenix Maybe

      No official confirmation yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if both of those games launched at around the same time (fall/holiday 2015).

      • Ducked

        Your probably right. One in October, and one in November.

    • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

      After. Zelda will be November 2015. Starfox will be some point before that I bet.

      • Ducked

        Nintendo does save their biggest game for November. Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess also released in November.

        • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

          Also Super Mario 3D World, Zelda A Link Between Worlds and Mario Party Island Tour all launched not only in November but the same damn day lol.

          • Ducked

            Haha that’s true. I’m predicting Smash releases on Nov 21.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            I say December 12th for Smash Bros Wii U.

          • 504HotBoy

            They probably try to get it out before Black Friday. So some time in November most likely.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            While I understand that, I just don’t think so. They said MK8 would be out in Spring, yet it came out the last fucking day of Spring lol. They say “Holiday” which to me means Christmas not Thanksgiving for you Americans lol.

          • 504HotBoy

            Maybe. But it’s a better business decision to release it before Black Friday. Also a lot of people do their Christmas shopping 3 weeks to a month before Christmas.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Smash Bros Wii U as a Christmas Gift? That’s just cruel. You get it but can’t open it or play it till Christmas thats juts cruel lol. I do my Christmas Shopping like at the begging of December.

          • 504HotBoy

            Believe it or not a lot of people buy gifts on Black Friday. Black Friday is Nov. 28 this year. If they release Smash a week before then, it would be perfect.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Black Friday doesn’t exist here in Canada.

          • chris

            Lol cross the border when the time comes.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Me….go to the States….ha, I hate the USA, I’ll never go there. American’s and I don’t mix. I hate American’s for the most part.

          • chris

            I’m a US citizen (legit Native-born) and I understand very well how you feel, but you’re not coming for the people. Get in, get what you need, get out and never look back lol

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Going through all the trouble of exchanging money and everything and such is a headache.

          • Daniel Gonzalez

            That’s a shame.

          • http://obaforums.wordpress.com DragonSilths

            Not really, being trampled by people over objects isn’t very appealing to me.

          • 504HotBoy

            That sucks. It’s big in the US.

          • Rinslowe

            I think so…

    • Rinslowe

      Good question. Zelda’s been in development for longer and seems to be further along. But we don’t know the complexity of Starfox and how long they’ll need to finish it. Let alone the size of the team involved. Is it just Miyamoto and his trusted few at this stage?. Alternatively Zelda has the largest team apparently in Nintendo history working on the “one” game…
      Zelda’s typically release in Q3 – Q4 of that given year. Mostly I think with only a few exceptions? Could be fuzzy on that one. But if not, then Starfox could be before or after, like holiday season 2015.

      • 504HotBoy

        I think Star Fox will get pushed back to sometime in 2016. I’m 99.9 % sure Zelda will be a 4th quarter 2015 release though. I’ll be surprise if Star Fox make 2015. I hope it does though. Zelda further along in development than Star Fox is.

  • Sdudyoy

    I wouldn’t have minded a normal Zelda game, but this game looks good, I can’t wait for another trailer!

  • Zodiark

    My current fear is that there will be a vast landscape, but no reason to explore, other than to look for landmarks which are not too hard to find. Meaningful side quests (like in majors mask), secret items (like the magic cape in A Link to the Past) and secret bosses would be a nice addition. Additional mini-dungeons designed to challenge players, like the Cave of Ordeals in TP, would also be great (not just small caves with a few enemies or a puzzle).

    • Jonathan Robitaille

      what’s crazy about that picture and all that it reveals is it’s just one direction. There’s probably as much to see in the opposite direction. This will be crazy big. That’s why I just don’t see how it will be ready in 2015.

  • Epicstuf

    Steampunk Zelda is going to be awesome!

  • Razo_E

    so, more front rolls like in OOT? I think I’m okay with that..

  • Lusunup

    Sound to me like were getting two New LOZ games….if that’s the case surely they must have a lot of people in development. I really wish it was not be on 3ds because the Wii U needs all the time in development.

    • Shootdatrupee!…

      Translation

      • Lusunup

        “In the Wii U version,”…….” At this time in the Wii U VERSION, if you just think you can continue walking freely,”

        • Shootdatrupee!…

          Its likely a translation mishap. Not like we haven’t had those before. Best not to take these so literally and overanalyse every damn word.
          Plus…what other version would there be? What, a 3DS version? With an overworld that size with that kind of graphics?

  • http://www.twitch.tv/insanityraptor/profile InsanityRaptor

    I call this photo album “The Adventures of Lank”

    • Noteak

      Is there a website dedicated to The Legend of Zelda Meme’s?

      • http://www.twitch.tv/insanityraptor/profile InsanityRaptor

        I wish…the struggle.

    • anthony optimo

      I can’t wait for gta v pc.

      • http://www.twitch.tv/insanityraptor/profile InsanityRaptor

        The exact anger I feel when someone comments about GTA 5 on PC on Wii U Daily.

        • Rinslowe

          Yep. That bugs the hell outta everybody…

        • chris

          There really is no escaping this… Its even on the internet =(

  • darkcreap

    Maybe it is my reading comprehension, but Aonuma’s words sound rather cryptic to me.

    • Merry_Blind

      I think it’s because of the translation.

  • iamserious

    “At this time in the Wii U version…”

    As in there will be more than one version of the game?

    ” if you just think you can continue walking freely, beyond the mountains, over the valleys, you will just continue to walk until you’re very far away. ”

    As in no point to roam the vast world!?!

    • Fiercedeitymelkor

      I think it’s just a poor translation. Probably just means the zelda game for the wii u.

  • Ducky

    I hope they surprise me with the dungeons. I hope I walk into a random cave and the whole mountain itself is actually a dungeon. Wait…Dragon roost…

  • NintendoNoob

    Maybe to make some progress in the game you’d need a specific item to get across a path. Like the fire tunic in OOT in the volcano. Maybe you’d need one of those to cross a lava stream or something

    • brian

      That’s exactly what we’re trying to get away from, here. That’s exactly how it happens in every Zelda game so far. They want to do it differently now.

  • BOB

    Anyone else notice how he said “WII U VERSION”
    Does that mean there is also a 3DS version????? probably not

    • chris

      They did say recently that there is another 3DS entry in the works. Makes sense to specify me thinks

  • http://Website.com/ Shane Michaels

    I hope you can do this in the new Zelda:

  • Dan

    “In the Wii U version, I feel like I have to say.” In the Wii U version? Please don’t tell me this is coming to 3DS. If this comes to 3DS, I’ll lose faith that the Wii U can be saved.

    • C4

      I think he just refers to the “Zelda game for Wii U” itself.

    • Rinslowe

      Lost in translation. I think it’s kinda obvious according to the scope and ambition of this game that the only version possible as we saw it in the reveal, will be on the Wii U platform.
      If there is a 3DS “version” of some kind it will be dramatically different than the one shown anyway.
      Either way I don’t think it would matter much.

    • chris

      I don’t think it means anything like that. Although, they are working on another 3DS entry too

    • SkullScience

      I suspect it is because there is no official title for either the Wii U iteration or the new 3DS title, hence the reason to specify. The 3DS is King in Japan so consumers over there may assume you are talking about that version first and foremost.

  • Noctus

    I just really hope they finally make Extreme huge wallets and piles of Rupees useful late/end game. IM LOOKING AT YOU TWILIGHT AND SKYWARD SWORD . Made me go and get those crystals for the demon/human thing and even in Orcarina of time if you get all the Skultulas it’s like super pointless becasue 200 rupees ISNT WORTH A D$&@ in WW they sorta helped with Beetles shop. But you can literally get the best potion in the game from gram gram with 2 servings per bottle. Look All I want is a Zelda game but I also want my money to be Worth my time Not just cutting grass becasue it feels good to see that number at 999. And don’t even kid you know if your at 800 rupees you’ll go out of your way to get 100 more WHY? Not because you want a sweet set of tunic armor or some flashy earrings NO just cuz you like Seeing the number.

  • SkullScience

    I personally don’t believe the game will be vast in the same sense Skyrim is. I believe the media have created that comparison. I suspect the game will have a much bigger playing area, possibly akin to Darksiders 2 in that it is structured but also at times very open. It is good to see Zelda becoming a more open experience but the simplistic comparison of shoehorning another blockbuster, such as Skyrim, won’t do the game any justice.

    • 00EpicGamer00

      “I personally don’t believe the game will be vast in the sense Skyrim is. I believe the media have created that comparison.”

      But what about the reveal trailer at E3? Aonuma said that the mountains you see in the distance, you can walk to them. In this “translation” he’s talking about being able to walk beyond the mountains you see in the distance. If I’m recalling correctly, before the game was ever shown, Aonuma said that he was taking examples from Skyrim with how “open world” this new Zelda should be. I don’t remember the exact words, but I think he said something like this: “In this new Zelda, I want it to be open world. Perhaps on the same scale as Skyrim. The sense of free will players get from Skyrim, I’d like to incorporate into the new Zelda.”

      • SkullScience

        He actually attempted to distance himself from the ‘open world’ remarks almost immediately after when the Skyrim comparisons started up. There are parts in Darksiders 2 where you can ride your horse into the distance and eventually you will get to a dungeon, I believe it will be more like this (I am not saying exactly). I don’t believe it does Zelda or Skyrim any justice to be compared to each other, they have fundamentally differing mechanics at their core. I will wait with anticipation at what Aonuma reveals in the future but I doubt the Skyrim comparison is accurate. It may be somewhere in-between but a vast, open, go anywhere world like Skyrim works for Elder Scrolls, I just don’t see how it would work for Zelda unless you turned Zelda into something it is not, an out and out RPG!

    • brian

      According to an old article on Wii U Daily, from a “trusted source” (who was correct about nearly everything he said in the article, except the release year), just one dungeon is roughly the size of the entire Hyrule Field in Zelda OoT. Hopefully the overworld will be exponentially bigger in scope, as the dungeons will apparently be.

      Found the link:
      http://wiiudaily.com/2012/09/wii-u-zelda-game-coming-2014/

  • great deku tree

    if this Zelda will offer (almost) every item from the very start like a link between worlds, I hope that the dungeons will be designed so that you NEED more than 1 item to complete the dungeons. this was a weak point in ALBW. they told you which item you’d need then that was you you were sorted. heck they even gave you those bomb insects in dungeons so that you didn’t have to worry about ever needing bombs (except for the very last dungeon). dungeons could be so much more complex and interesting if you needed 3 or 4 different items.

    when playing the game (ALBW) I rented every item right away so that I could explore as many caves and areas as possible in between the dungeons….which is what they’re going for in these Zeldas, having a sense of exploration. so people would already have the majority of items for dungeons anyway.

    also, there needs to be varying difficulty in the dungeons which was lacking as well in ALBW. every dungeon felt the same in terms of difficulty. there was a medium, and no real fear of dying.

    I haven’t played the very first Zelda but if I remember correctly even though you could complete the game in any order there was a points system telling you the level of difficulty in each dungeon? that’s great I hope that’s in the next Zelda because then people can challenge themselves by doing dungeons in a more challenging order and there’d be a real sense of “oh man I might actually die in this fight” which never occurred in ALBW once for me (I completed the full game without a single game over on my first try)

    Also, I hope they bring back the little map pins from ALBW, they were unbelievably useful for me for marking areas with treasures/heart pieces etc that I either couldn’t explore yet or just wanted to come back to later and do something else first.

    • brian

      I also rented every item as soon as I could. The prices were low, makes it a little easy to do. Maybe they could have jacked the prices a bit so you had to explore a bit and earn a sum of rupees before picking them up.

  • FutureFox

    He’s not saying anything more than he did during E3.

  • brian

    Is this new news? Didn’t he already say it was going to be “vast”?